I said you were acting offended,
And I'm telling you you are mistaken. I am simply calling our your disrespect.
you've been too busy expressing how "offended" (which necessarily includes "disrespected", by the by) you are ad nauseaum.
Again, I am not offended. Sensing disrespect is not the same as being offended. You should try and drop that from your understanding.
If you had read and understood my previous repeated responses to this incessant request, you would already understand why there isn't such a medium
Of course there is. On video/audio, it is significantly more diffficult for a bot to pass as human, as real-time interaction and response is something that AI is not capable of to pass a Turing test. If you believe otherwise, then that's an interesting stance you have, but I would be extremely surprised if over video you still were not able to tell if I were human or not.
Then you are foolish
I would say it's foolish at this point to even consider the idea that you might be a bot. Only a fool would suggest such a thing. For instance, see here:
And yet, you still failed it and appeared as bot-like to a human evaluating you.
You say here that you are a human, so then why on earth would it be considered foolish for me to say that I am certain you are human? You insult me just for the sake of insulting me? Seems pretty illogical.
I make a correct evaluation of the person you are, and you call me foolish for thinking so. It seems you are just trying to be confrontational.
Then stop acting like it!
Calling out your repeated disrespect is not the same as being offended. I can recognize when a person is trying to divert the topic as well as attempt to discredit me (both things can happen, they are not mutually exclusive) without being offended by it.
If anything, I'm just disappointed that you would rather resort to petty antics instead of addressing points directly. If you insist on carrying this assumption, which is showing disrespect by giving credence to such a silly idea, then it's best we move to a medium where we can be more confident
Really? In this scenario, on this site, in this conversation, you think there is a way to be 100% certain that you (or any online entity) is a bot?
Yes, I do. I know with 100% certainty that you are a human being that I have been interacting with.
it would only establish you weren't a bot in that particular interaction
And I would be thrilled to have that interaction with you. It would allow us to have the conversation in that particular interaction, and address our points more clearly!
You're making an excellent argument for why switching to video or audio would be the superior medium, so thank you! Now, it's a great opportunity for us to move to that medium.
I only care for productive conversation
Then let's have one in a medium where we can both be more confident that we are interacting with human beings.
The turing test can be applied to any entity purporting to be / presenting as human
The Turing test is a test of a machine's ability to exhibit intelligent behavior indistinguishable from a human.
Every human, by default, including me, passes the Turing test because their behavior is, inherently, human.
No, there are no accusations of lies that you provided which contain links/citations/quotes of mine which were not already addressed, refuted, and you did not contest the refutations of.
I have, a number of times, quoted you directly. I urge you to go back and reread the conversation. If you missed the quote, it is not my responsibility to feed you the information again, I'm sorry to say.
When you are accused of being a bot, either through captcha or any other bot detection method - there is no reason or use in being offended at the accusation.
Make no mistake, I'm not offended, I just sense your disrespect.
I find it disrespectful when I'm attempting to have a rational conversation with someone and they repeatedly accuse me of "likely" being a bot as a way of discrediting me/my points in a conversation I am trying to be respectful in.
As we agree, it is somewhere between extremely difficult and impossible to determine with absolute certainty (in this scenario, anyhow) that you (or I) are a bot
We do not agree on this.
You have exhibited many bot like tendencies which continues to increase the chance that you are one.
Then the most logical solution would be to move to a medium where we can be more confident in the nature of the other person. Otherwise, giving likelihood to such a silly scenario is just disrespectful to the topic at hand as well as the conversation partner.
I'm not offended by any means, but that doesn't mean I need to tolerate disrespect. If I see it, I will call it out. I only have so much patience.
Obviously a person can be tested with such a turing test
Again, no. A Turing test is one that is administered to machine to test the functionality of the machine. It is not one that is administered to human beings.
Unless you can quote/cite a particular "lie" that i have not already refuted and dismissed, you should stop lying about "my dishonesty"
Again, I have already done that. If you review earlier in the conversation, I made specific reference to your previous dishonesty
You are free to feel disrespected anytime you encounter a captcha or any other bot detection method online
I don't feel disrespected by that though. I feel disrespected when you, another person, is repeatedly declaring that I must be a bot when I'm attempting to have an honest discussion.
but they have an almost identical purpose.
They do not.
The turing test would apply to anything being tested with it, obviously.
Incorrect. The Turing test is specifically designed to see if machines are exhibiting intelligence on par with human behavior. It is not designed to be tested on humans, because however a human acts would be human behavior.
Can you provide (quote/cite/link) any actual examples of "my dishonesty"
I have already done that. Please refer back to earlier parts of our conversation and the answer will be made clear to you.
Better quit the internet.
No need! The issue has only occurred with you in all my years on the internet. Other people are much more respectful.
Captchas
That's not what this is. I'm referring to a conversation, not a check to see if I am a human logging into my own bank account.
Which means you will necessarily fail there too.
Unless I were human, then the Turing test wouldn't apply. That has yet to be determined, because we haven't tried that medium yet.
Your inability to infer implicit answers (another complex function bots cannot perform) is not an example of my dishonesty.
I agree! But your dishonesty is an example of your dishonesty.
There's no sense continuing the main topic though if my state of even being human is in question, because it shows you do not take me or the conversation seriously.
I'm offering to settle that over a better medium. You seem to imply though that if you were to converse with an AI over video chat, it would pass the Turing test. I'm only confirming if it's true that this is what you think
(though i've already answered it implicitly)
Please stop being dishonest. It's not making you look good here.
Still avoiding the question. Please answer it, because you haven't. Your only answer to it has been that I have failed the Turing test, which isn't what I was asking.
I'll repeat it here:
if you were to speak to an AI over video/voice, do you believe it would pass the Turing test?
I'm saying that you have already failed the turing test.
This isn't answering my question.
I asked you, if you were to speak to an AI over video/voice, do you believe it would pass the Turing test?
Please stop avoiding answering the question.
Better quit the internet! The bots are everywhere, and you will continue to be accused of being one
The only instance of this happening with me is through you, so I'm not worried!
Video won't help anything or fundamentally change any of your abilities or behaviors. It is stupid to think it would or should.
That's fine, I never thought that it would! That's not the point of using video chat
Then you abandoned that to act like a troll
Calling you out for your behavior is not being a troll, sorry bud.
And i always will
Then there's no sense continuing, because clearly then you do not respect me or the conversation
You're failing the turing test already
Do you think that if you talked to an AI over video, that it would pass the Turing test, and you wouldn't be able to tell if it were an AI? I'm hoping you'll answer this question!
Then prove it
The best way to prove that I can handle video discussion is having a discussion on video
You said you wanted the conversation to be productive and to stay on topic, yet you are the one doing everything in your power to prevent that.
Correct, I did! I only have so much patience for someone's constant attempts to distract though and it became clear you have no respect for me or the main topic. So, there is no mistake that I have made. Intentions can change due to new circumstances.
The record was and is straight
It is not, as you still question whether or not I'm a bot, therefore it's not straight.
bots can already generate real time interaction through generated voice and/or video.
Enough to pass the Turing test?
Moving to a medium which requires faster response and better comprehension would be even harder for you
Not to worry! It's something I can handle quite well
Lol they weren't talking about "most secession throughout history."
Also, what a terrible point to make.
"Most athletes throughout history didn't die from cardiac arrest. Therefore, it's incorrect to say that any athletes died of cardiac arrest."
i also explicitly told you what that mistake was.
And it was no mistake. My actions have been intentional and I stand by them.
If your intention was
My intention, currently, is to set the record straight on any further interactions we have by addressing the fact that you think I might be a bot. At this point, it can only be done through more efficient mediums.
We can't avoid that confusion
Of course we can. Through real-time interaction through voice and/or video.
(as opposed to a real time discussion in which, typically, you have neither).
It's quite easy to research and pull up facts in real time. It's in fact very beneficial so that we can point out specific bits we want to pay more attention to, and discuss them together.
Who said it was?
You said I have to admit to my mistake. I have made no mistake in my interaction here.
They are swapped out.
On a better medium we can confirm the discussion we had on this thread (and others) to ensure we are both speaking honestly, and affirming the points we made previously. We can communicate more directly and respond to points in real time and avoid the confusion of whether or not I'm a bot in that moment.
Who said it was? I said you ought recognize and admit your mistake
In this case, calling out your attempts to distract and use non-sequitur is no mistake.
that does not and cannot prove that they were not a bot in the past or will not be a bot in the future once that bot detection is circumvented.
In what way does an AI/avatar become human later? Please don't answer in a theoretical sense, but in an actual sense. How, physically, does this happen?
Suppressing/ignoring such "baseless accusation" and other distraction
You again acknowledge that what you wrote was a distraction
Then grow up, recognize/admit your mistake, and try to do better next time!
Calling out your attempts to distract and use non-sequitur is nothing I need to apologize for.
it is not disrespectful to make you aware of your bot like actions which both mire/prevent useful conversation and cause me to conclude that you are a bot and/or otherwise incapable of doing any better.
What is disrespectful is constant use of this as a non-sequitur which distracts from the main topic. You can voice your concern about my understandings without making baseless assumptions.
and even if you were not a bot during that brief interaction would not establish that you weren't a bot in previous or future interactions
I think now we should establish what you mean by "bot." Here I was under the assumption that you were using it in the common usage, thinking my comments were AI generated. What do you mean, specifially, by "bot"?
Now you are getting it...It is within your power not "to fall", not to give in to reactionary emotion and end up serving those who wish to derail the conversation
You're acknowledging that you were wishing to derail the conversation, and it was my fault for falling for it?
"They started it" is not a valid defense, period.
I agree! But you are continuing to derail, so it's best we directly address it so you no longer have to make these baseless assumptions. It seems you are more concerned with assumptions rather than getting concrete information, which again demonstrates a lack of respect.
I intend to have a productive conversation, if that is possible.
You have not done well through your continuous showing of disrespect.
I cannot and will not take any responsibility for your actions.
I am requesting you take responsibility for your own actions. Your actions have been to continuously bring up questions on whether or not I'm a bot, in an attempt to derail the main topic with non-sequitur. If you insist that this is to be questioned, then it's best we move to a medium where it wouldn't be. You don't seem to want that though.'
Even if i did intend to derail the conversation with a few minor comments - YOU still did the derailing
"I pushed you, but it was YOUR fault you fell"
Part of growing up is recognizing and taking responsibility for your actions
Correct. You are not doing it. It is important for you to not include non-sequitur. I ignored them at first, and a few times I even offered to help settle it so you wouldn't have to bring it up again, but your insistence to continue shows that it's what you primarily want to focus on.
It's your responsibility as well to keep the conversation on topic, but you intend to distract instead.
Don't ever let the bad habits and actions of others
I'm helping you break your bad habits and actions. It starts with you.
Your actions demonstrate you don't respect me or the conversation topic, by insisting on using non-sequitur and distraction.
Yet another good reason not to let tangent derail conversations from their specific topic
This is your doing, by continuing to bring up the fact that you "doubt" that I am a real human being.
If you aren't a bot, then laugh such baseless accusations off
I'm more interested in ensuring I'm not speaking with someone who continues to make baseless accusations. You are failing here.
(which includes ignoring/suppressing tangent, distraction, and red herring)
When you decide to use tangent, distraction, and red herrings It shows you do not respect the conversation, so why would I?
The fact is, you could be a bot. The fact is, i could be a bot.
But you are not a bot. That isn't under question. However, you are deciding to question whether I am. I don't wish to converse with someone who will hold baseless assumptions, so I would be more interested in directly addressing that before I would take what you say seriously.
I agree. The title is a bit misleading.