You are free to feel disrespected anytime you encounter a captcha or any other bot detection method online
I don't feel disrespected by that though. I feel disrespected when you, another person, is repeatedly declaring that I must be a bot when I'm attempting to have an honest discussion.
but they have an almost identical purpose.
They do not.
The turing test would apply to anything being tested with it, obviously.
Incorrect. The Turing test is specifically designed to see if machines are exhibiting intelligence on par with human behavior. It is not designed to be tested on humans, because however a human acts would be human behavior.
Can you provide (quote/cite/link) any actual examples of "my dishonesty"
I have already done that. Please refer back to earlier parts of our conversation and the answer will be made clear to you.
Good. When you are accused of being a bot, either through captcha or any other bot detection method - there is no reason or use in being offended at the accusation.
is repeatedly declaring that I must be a bot when I'm attempting to have an honest discussion.
Please cite/quote this declaration. You seem to be seeing/reading things that aren't there, and are being needlessly sensitive. I tend to use verbiage like "likely" and "bot like". As we agree, it is somewhere between extremely difficult and impossible to determine with absolute certainty (in this scenario, anyhow) that you (or I) are a bot - so declarations to that effect would be silly.
They do not.
Bot detection is bot detection - no matter the method, and no matter wether the determination made by that detection method is correct or not. For example - humans fail captchas all the time and that necessarily increases the chances that they are a bot (from the bot detector's perspective) You have exhibited many bot like tendencies which continues to increase the chance that you are one. No need to take any offense at it. Just stop exhibiting those behaviors as best you can.
Incorrect
Don't act like a child if you can help it. Obviously a person can be tested with such a turing test, and you are in this scenario (and others).
I have already done that.
Yes, and like the last baseless accusation i have refuted and dismissed them without contest from you. That means you agree that i have not been dishonest, and are simply pissy about it :( Unless you can quote/cite a particular "lie" that i have not already refuted and dismissed, you should stop lying about "my dishonesty" - as this is another common troll/shill/bot tactic.
When you are accused of being a bot, either through captcha or any other bot detection method - there is no reason or use in being offended at the accusation.
Make no mistake, I'm not offended, I just sense your disrespect.
I find it disrespectful when I'm attempting to have a rational conversation with someone and they repeatedly accuse me of "likely" being a bot as a way of discrediting me/my points in a conversation I am trying to be respectful in.
As we agree, it is somewhere between extremely difficult and impossible to determine with absolute certainty (in this scenario, anyhow) that you (or I) are a bot
We do not agree on this.
You have exhibited many bot like tendencies which continues to increase the chance that you are one.
Then the most logical solution would be to move to a medium where we can be more confident in the nature of the other person. Otherwise, giving likelihood to such a silly scenario is just disrespectful to the topic at hand as well as the conversation partner.
I'm not offended by any means, but that doesn't mean I need to tolerate disrespect. If I see it, I will call it out. I only have so much patience.
Obviously a person can be tested with such a turing test
Again, no. A Turing test is one that is administered to machine to test the functionality of the machine. It is not one that is administered to human beings.
Unless you can quote/cite a particular "lie" that i have not already refuted and dismissed, you should stop lying about "my dishonesty"
Again, I have already done that. If you review earlier in the conversation, I made specific reference to your previous dishonesty
Then stop acting like it! Get back on a meaningful topic and engage in productive conversation if you're able, or be silent.
I just sense your disrespect.
You make a lousy psychic. If you sense anything, it is annoyance at your proud and steadfast wasting of my time (speaking of "sensing disrespect"). The major difference is i don't care if you respect me or not. You should try it, if you can.
as a way of discrediting me/my points
First it was "as a way of derailing the conversation" (which only you have done and continue to do) and now it's to discredit you/your points?! Which is it?
You are really grasping at straws here. There is no audience to discredit you to! It's just us talking here (or, if you are a bot - just me). I don't think you've thought this through.
With all due respect, if you have valid points - get the f*ck on with them. This entire red herring of a tangent is your tactic (conscious or not) to avoid discussing any points whatsoever. The fact that i've allowed you to do so for SO long now demonstrates a, frankly, unwarranted abundance of respect for the conversation and for you (of course with the assumption you aren't a bot, and are capable of and interested in productive conversation)
We do not agree on this.
Really? In this scenario, on this site, in this conversation, you think there is a way to be 100% certain that you (or any online entity) is a bot? Again, i don't think you've thought this through - but i would be happy for you to demonstrate me wrong on this. No suggestions involving leaving the site are permissible, only use of this site, this conversation, and our words (aka "the scenario").
Then the most logical solution would be to move to a medium
This is the superior medium. If you can't conduct a meaningful conversation in this format (which necessarily involves avoiding bot like behavior), then you can't do it anywhere else.
In any case, as i've said repeatedly (and yet you still fail to grasp - bot detection +1) even if another online medium proved you weren't a bot (which it can't) - it would only establish you weren't a bot in that particular interaction - not in previous or future ones. It would be the "captcha" in the analogy, that once passed could not guarantee that a bot was not there previously and/or swapped in right afterwards.
I don't care if you are a bot or not. I only care for productive conversation - earnest rational discourse. If you are capable of that, then do it. Otherwise be silent.
Again, no
Try not acting like a child, if you can help it. The turing test can be applied to any entity purporting to be / presenting as human. I agree it is not its intended purpose, but your view that it CAN'T be is both silly and wrong. What on earth do you think would prevent you from applying it to a person?
Assuming you are a human, the turing test has already been applied to you - and you have failed.
Again, I have already done that
No, there are no accusations of lies that you provided which contain links/citations/quotes of mine which were not already addressed, refuted, and you did not contest the refutations of. If i am in error, please link to the one you have in mind.
Calling out your repeated disrespect is not the same as being offended. I can recognize when a person is trying to divert the topic as well as attempt to discredit me (both things can happen, they are not mutually exclusive) without being offended by it.
If anything, I'm just disappointed that you would rather resort to petty antics instead of addressing points directly. If you insist on carrying this assumption, which is showing disrespect by giving credence to such a silly idea, then it's best we move to a medium where we can be more confident
Really? In this scenario, on this site, in this conversation, you think there is a way to be 100% certain that you (or any online entity) is a bot?
Yes, I do. I know with 100% certainty that you are a human being that I have been interacting with.
it would only establish you weren't a bot in that particular interaction
And I would be thrilled to have that interaction with you. It would allow us to have the conversation in that particular interaction, and address our points more clearly!
You're making an excellent argument for why switching to video or audio would be the superior medium, so thank you! Now, it's a great opportunity for us to move to that medium.
I only care for productive conversation
Then let's have one in a medium where we can both be more confident that we are interacting with human beings.
The turing test can be applied to any entity purporting to be / presenting as human
The Turing test is a test of a machine's ability to exhibit intelligent behavior indistinguishable from a human.
Every human, by default, including me, passes the Turing test because their behavior is, inherently, human.
No, there are no accusations of lies that you provided which contain links/citations/quotes of mine which were not already addressed, refuted, and you did not contest the refutations of.
I have, a number of times, quoted you directly. I urge you to go back and reread the conversation. If you missed the quote, it is not my responsibility to feed you the information again, I'm sorry to say.
I don't feel disrespected by that though. I feel disrespected when you, another person, is repeatedly declaring that I must be a bot when I'm attempting to have an honest discussion.
They do not.
Incorrect. The Turing test is specifically designed to see if machines are exhibiting intelligence on par with human behavior. It is not designed to be tested on humans, because however a human acts would be human behavior.
I have already done that. Please refer back to earlier parts of our conversation and the answer will be made clear to you.
Good. When you are accused of being a bot, either through captcha or any other bot detection method - there is no reason or use in being offended at the accusation.
Please cite/quote this declaration. You seem to be seeing/reading things that aren't there, and are being needlessly sensitive. I tend to use verbiage like "likely" and "bot like". As we agree, it is somewhere between extremely difficult and impossible to determine with absolute certainty (in this scenario, anyhow) that you (or I) are a bot - so declarations to that effect would be silly.
Bot detection is bot detection - no matter the method, and no matter wether the determination made by that detection method is correct or not. For example - humans fail captchas all the time and that necessarily increases the chances that they are a bot (from the bot detector's perspective) You have exhibited many bot like tendencies which continues to increase the chance that you are one. No need to take any offense at it. Just stop exhibiting those behaviors as best you can.
Don't act like a child if you can help it. Obviously a person can be tested with such a turing test, and you are in this scenario (and others).
Yes, and like the last baseless accusation i have refuted and dismissed them without contest from you. That means you agree that i have not been dishonest, and are simply pissy about it :( Unless you can quote/cite a particular "lie" that i have not already refuted and dismissed, you should stop lying about "my dishonesty" - as this is another common troll/shill/bot tactic.
Make no mistake, I'm not offended, I just sense your disrespect.
I find it disrespectful when I'm attempting to have a rational conversation with someone and they repeatedly accuse me of "likely" being a bot as a way of discrediting me/my points in a conversation I am trying to be respectful in.
We do not agree on this.
Then the most logical solution would be to move to a medium where we can be more confident in the nature of the other person. Otherwise, giving likelihood to such a silly scenario is just disrespectful to the topic at hand as well as the conversation partner.
I'm not offended by any means, but that doesn't mean I need to tolerate disrespect. If I see it, I will call it out. I only have so much patience.
Again, no. A Turing test is one that is administered to machine to test the functionality of the machine. It is not one that is administered to human beings.
Again, I have already done that. If you review earlier in the conversation, I made specific reference to your previous dishonesty
Then stop acting like it! Get back on a meaningful topic and engage in productive conversation if you're able, or be silent.
You make a lousy psychic. If you sense anything, it is annoyance at your proud and steadfast wasting of my time (speaking of "sensing disrespect"). The major difference is i don't care if you respect me or not. You should try it, if you can.
First it was "as a way of derailing the conversation" (which only you have done and continue to do) and now it's to discredit you/your points?! Which is it?
You are really grasping at straws here. There is no audience to discredit you to! It's just us talking here (or, if you are a bot - just me). I don't think you've thought this through.
With all due respect, if you have valid points - get the f*ck on with them. This entire red herring of a tangent is your tactic (conscious or not) to avoid discussing any points whatsoever. The fact that i've allowed you to do so for SO long now demonstrates a, frankly, unwarranted abundance of respect for the conversation and for you (of course with the assumption you aren't a bot, and are capable of and interested in productive conversation)
Really? In this scenario, on this site, in this conversation, you think there is a way to be 100% certain that you (or any online entity) is a bot? Again, i don't think you've thought this through - but i would be happy for you to demonstrate me wrong on this. No suggestions involving leaving the site are permissible, only use of this site, this conversation, and our words (aka "the scenario").
This is the superior medium. If you can't conduct a meaningful conversation in this format (which necessarily involves avoiding bot like behavior), then you can't do it anywhere else.
In any case, as i've said repeatedly (and yet you still fail to grasp - bot detection +1) even if another online medium proved you weren't a bot (which it can't) - it would only establish you weren't a bot in that particular interaction - not in previous or future ones. It would be the "captcha" in the analogy, that once passed could not guarantee that a bot was not there previously and/or swapped in right afterwards.
I don't care if you are a bot or not. I only care for productive conversation - earnest rational discourse. If you are capable of that, then do it. Otherwise be silent.
Try not acting like a child, if you can help it. The turing test can be applied to any entity purporting to be / presenting as human. I agree it is not its intended purpose, but your view that it CAN'T be is both silly and wrong. What on earth do you think would prevent you from applying it to a person?
Assuming you are a human, the turing test has already been applied to you - and you have failed.
No, there are no accusations of lies that you provided which contain links/citations/quotes of mine which were not already addressed, refuted, and you did not contest the refutations of. If i am in error, please link to the one you have in mind.
Calling out your repeated disrespect is not the same as being offended. I can recognize when a person is trying to divert the topic as well as attempt to discredit me (both things can happen, they are not mutually exclusive) without being offended by it.
If anything, I'm just disappointed that you would rather resort to petty antics instead of addressing points directly. If you insist on carrying this assumption, which is showing disrespect by giving credence to such a silly idea, then it's best we move to a medium where we can be more confident
Yes, I do. I know with 100% certainty that you are a human being that I have been interacting with.
And I would be thrilled to have that interaction with you. It would allow us to have the conversation in that particular interaction, and address our points more clearly!
You're making an excellent argument for why switching to video or audio would be the superior medium, so thank you! Now, it's a great opportunity for us to move to that medium.
Then let's have one in a medium where we can both be more confident that we are interacting with human beings.
The Turing test is a test of a machine's ability to exhibit intelligent behavior indistinguishable from a human.
Every human, by default, including me, passes the Turing test because their behavior is, inherently, human.
I have, a number of times, quoted you directly. I urge you to go back and reread the conversation. If you missed the quote, it is not my responsibility to feed you the information again, I'm sorry to say.