That's pretty much what we have now and only the rich and powerful like it and wish for more of the same.
So, is it possible to somehow make that capitalism or free market or libertariarism invulnerable to that way of things?
In any case there is some rules in that capitalism, free market, whatever. I.e. seller and buyer have to agree on the price. Seller can't force buyer to buy. Buyer can't force seller to sell. And so on. You can't describe capitalism, whatever it is, without declaring some rules.
So the question is - is it possible to add or change some rules to make capitalism at least more resistant to what happens with it now?
Theft and murder, even of small amounts or of unimportant people, are forbidden by natural law, regardless of the economic system and what we name it.
There is no natural law that prohibit insider trading, f.e. Moreover, patent infringing is accounted as a good by natural law. You know, "don't give a fish to one in need, better teach him fishing". But in modern western capitalism they are crimes. Should they be crimes in that "clean" capitalism you talk, or not?
Sorry, I don't know what you mean about usury being a crime.
I mean that usury is prohibited. Just like theft is prohobited in western capitalism. You can't give a loan with interest to make profit. Just like you can't steal to make profit.
capitalism is the only form of economics that has ever worked.
Socialism has never worked.
There was no pure socialism ever. So we don't know. USSR socialism was some kind of state capitalism, where free trade was allowed only among state enterprises, but not among citizens, and private business was prohibited.
Government will always be at the root of the problem.
So, capitalism is vulnerable for government actions. What we need to change to remove that vulnerability from capitalism?
but i cant think of any.
Tox, I2P, Jabber, Matrix, ZeroNet, etc. There are even no possibility to control them. One who seek shall find. Other who do nothing shall not.
Free communication and free from censorship is the only anti-regulation we need to govern ourselves and for free markets to work.
As you see, that does not work. We have everything for free from censorhip communication for a long time. But that is not only thing we need, obviously.
So, don't blame capitalism for all this or you are just playing into the narrative they want you to believe
Who want? I don't know any "they" who want to make usury a crime. Every single "they" I know dreams about making literally everything people use a loan to gain interest and control debtors. I propose a way to completely destroy any way of creation elites grown on ususry. It would be impossible for them to exist if usury will be made equal to theft or murder.
Wrong. You need capitol to rent
You will be provided bed and food for free if you are a good obeying citizen doing you everyday mandatory work.
Create it FROM WHAT? Thin fucking air? That's more of a pipedream than anything a communist dumb shit would say.
You will not believe, but you could synthesise a lot of things literally from thin air if you have enough energy and appropriate technology. You again will not believe ne, but even plants do it without any problems. There is also soil around to use.
Also, there is such thing like fusion, that allow making any substance you need, if, again, you have enough energy and apropriate tech to do it.
You could literally make anything form thin air. Two questions - energy and tech. And, somehow, authorities trying hard to deprive you from both.
I thought the most obvious would be a bartering system but you still need some metric to compare items.
There was attempts in late USSR to build such global system for making global barter possible. But USSR was crushed and that research was buried.
but as a "system" with more than 2 people it doesn't fucking work.
Works easily. With more than 2 people. First have potatoes and want spade, second have spade and want honey, third have honey and want potatoes. Easy as fuck if they are smart enough to just share about their needs and existing commodities to each other. First give potatoes to third, third give honey to second, second give spade to first. I witnessed much more complex schemes among businesses in early 1990s when the money cost nothing in crashed USSR. First Russian stocks was barter ones, where multiple businesses shared their needs and commodities and finding solutions for their problems. If there would heve been powerful enough computers and networks, it could work flawlessly. However, authorities have no ability to tax that deals, so barter was prohibited.
However, barter is not necessary. In modern world the most valuable thing is energy. Everybody need it and, what is the most important, you could mathematically calculate the "price" of any commodity in energy. Energy unit could be the "money" for trade.
Yeah, with jews stealing everything and putting ethnic Russians in camps. You're full of shit.
How? You exactly describe that two marxism casts - Jews who gain the profit and Russians that work in camps for food.
Fascinating to see such rant as a reaction to simple and obvious assumptions and examples. :) What's the cause? Are you shure that money is not something sacral for you?
No other form has worked.
Please, provide an example of capitalistic society where usury is a crime and it has not worked.
Capitalism is the recipe that works
I really in a big doubt that it works. Look around.
free and unbiased press
And how that press is supposed to maximize its profit staying free and unbiased?
people also need uncensored platforms for communication.
We have them for a long time. But nobody wish to use them. Because "iT iS OnLy FoR NeRdS!!! I don't want to RTFM! Twitter is cutier!"
because people will just boycott shitty capitalists.
Why do you think so? One good capitalist make cool cars from stainless steel, with million miles engines, easy repairable and so on. He spend all money on quality and reliability. Cars are good, affordable, could last a century, but not cheap. Other, shitty capitalist make shitty cars from garbage with only quality thing is LCD screen of entertainment system. And spend most money on advertising. Cars are complete shit, but very cheap. So how do you think, how many people will boycott the latter?
corrupt government that allows crooked media and big tech censorship.
So, there is something in capitalism itself that allow existence of corrupt government, crooked media and big tech censorship. It is profitable to corrupt government, crook media and do censorship. There is easy ways and specific capitalism activities that allow to gain a lot of money from nothing to do all that crap.
What does it mean?
That is a proposal on society structure created by Marx and Engels. It includes some kind of philosophy with some basic laws (questionalble and unproved), definition of communism and description of ideology that should be accepted by that future society. All marxism is stated in few extremely boring books. Marx and Engels followers tried to enhance and develop that doctrine, but separated in opinions and started to kill each other.
Shortly, marxism is a howto for building communism. That howto was never fully implemented, and in my opinion will never really work.
There is few interesting tips in that howto, but that interesting and useful tips are greatly cancelled and hidden by any implementors. The example of one of such interesting tip - https://conspiracies.win/p/11S0Nl6aJl/one-thing-they-dont-want-you-to-/
Everyone needs money
Who told that? You need money only in current system. In another systems the concept of money could be completely senseless. You don't need money in the society where you cant be owner (one that WEF dream to build). You also don't need money in society where you could easily create anything you need.
The problem is we don't see our fellow man as constituents, we see them as something to be exploited.
I agree, but that is not absolute thing. You could find examples of non-exploiting societies in some families, groups of friends, may be even in some communities. However that examples have a limit - number of members, every person should know each other personally and fully. And humans can't personally and fully know more than, I suppose, around hundred persons. That examples are not scalable.
Marxists are far ahead in the exploitation game and they project that onto "capitalists".
Marxism, really, is some kind of two-caste society, where one small caste is fully exploit another using ideology. Some kind of sect where regular members praise and feed priests. Money is not needed in that system, meanwhile.
you can trace the effect back to some government intervention.
Without government intervention there can't be any restrictions on the ways of making profit, at least without complete rebuild of society. It's a govenment who is enforcing rules of capitalism. All of them, including making theft and murder for profit a crime.
I'm not shure that this unlimited thing without government interference in completely another society could be named capitalism. Moreover, if you could build a society where you don't need any authority to implement members protection from theft and murder, than you just don't need that capitalism at all.
I have not a single time heard of that being done.
It could work in some libertarian society, where, say, business that hired to enforce society rules allowed to loot the business that did the crime.
Destroying institution of family. Human beings highly probably will prefer family over authorities if they will be forced to choose from. But NWO needs total compliance, and that compliance should be absolute. They can't destroy basic human instincts, so they trying to get rid of family.
well, when you're eating human flesh... :)
You still can not catch it in the plate with the fork if you don't see it. Well, when it is GMO human flash that is glowing in the dark.... :)
IDK, looks like it is some kind of childish show off, just like ugly and senseless but insane expensive woman handbags or man costumes and ties.
It's from the 2020, double numbers now, you know, infaltion and all that stuff.
Did you ever tried to build such table and have a dinner on it? :) I did. As usual, things that looks cool does not always cool to use.
Just take a coffee table with glass top (or put a glass sheet on the cardboard box), cover it with white paper or semi-transparent plastic and put a lamp under the surface. Then try to dinner on that thing. You will be amased.
You will barely see anything in your plate and will experience problems with using fork to eat something from the plate. :) Light from table surface overload your eyes making you unable to see what's in the plate.
Do you mean 3x more here?
Of course. My mistake. Fixed, thank you.
Source on link between NIR and reptiles?
I'm not shure that reptiloids (which is just a settled term to distinctly describe elites) have anything common with Earth reptiles.
Some earth reptiles could feel FIR (heat) to hunt mammals with special sensors on the head. IIRC ferrets could see up to 1000nm (NIR is ~750-1500nm), Also I have a very strange paper in my bookmarks - https://www.cell.com/fulltext/S0092-8674(19)30101-1 (WTF, and who the hell could ever think this out?)
Link between NIR and elites is a theory to explain what we observe. I have no idea is it true, and if it is, how exactly elites utilise NIR presumably to stay intelligent. But while it reduce number of questions and there are no experiments or observations that disprove it, it is a valid theory.
Idea of link between some natural resource and intelligence is not new, meet it in some SciFi novels and Farscape series (Scarrans race, being reptiloids, had to periodically eat specific plant flowers to stay intelligent).
Why assume that an ever-expanding Universe is actually simulated/exists?
Because you could observe it.
Really I don't like simulation theory. To do it, you need some kind of computer more complex, than what it should simulate. Also, that rises a question - who create that computer and why. You end with much more questions than before.
It could be a projection, for example. I know it sounds absurd, but it could, couldn't it?
It should be an enormous holographic realtime projection. Projector will be more complex than projected Universe.
Could you show me this website?
It is not a website. It is an antenna, amplifier, 137Mhz receiver, ADC and software decoder. You could do it for less than $20 using cheap RTL2838 based DVB-T receiver. Or use any transiever that could receive 137Mhz band if you already have one. There are a lot of howtos on receiving raw satellite images on rtl-sdr.com. Simpliest setup is RTL2838 USB dongle, V-pole antenna from oldTV set, and simple opensource software like xwxapt for NOAA satellites or glrpt for Meteor satellites.
You'd need a few dozens of them, but why should that be a problem?
Just receive a picture, and try to think out how it could be done with baloons. You will need a baloon at 800km flying with 7.4km/s speed around the globe.
The speed and the altitude are just numbers. There's no way to verify that.
It is right in what and how you receive. The area you see on image and speed of arriving image strips. Also all that doppler effect and other stuff. You have everything to verify it entirely by yourself without depending on any third-party.
That doesn't look real to me.
Because it is a cuts from Russian educational movie for children wiith animations and all that stuff. They cut out big part with animations with formulas and drawings of orbital mechanics of flight. I don't remember correctly, but it was 7 or 8 grade in school, astronomy lessons. There was an enormous number of educational movies in USSR that heavily used in education process in schools. They are not like Discovery "popular science" thing, they full of formulas, explanations, experiments, and all that scientific stuff layed out sequentially and logically connected. It's a pity that NauchFilm don't have some website with online collection of that movies, you have to order them by mail on DVD.
I think you may be falling for the Russia good/US bad narrative that's been going on over there and in Eastern Europe for decades
No, I fail into logic of sequence of events and continuity of technology achievements. It does not look suspicious if you began Moon exploration from perfectly possible with existing rockets shooting dummy things to the Moon with misses and failures, then few attempts to orbit the Moon, again with normal rate of failures and problems, than attempt to soft-land on surface, again with regular try-fail rate, then land and strat from moon, and so on. Looks just like ordinary workflow. Not like you barely succed in LEO flights and next day you send manned ship to the Moon and everything goes fine.
I have no any distinct opinion on US Moon Landing. I know only that there are a lot of suspicious inconsistencies in what NASA presented to the public. It is perfectly possible that NASA really did manned moon landing, but with a lot of failures and crew deaths, so they had to create that fake show for public for political reasons.
I'm shure that US Moon Landing was technically possibe at the time. But I don't know had it been done really or not and I don't care, because I think it is not important at all.
I concede that there are a lot of inconsistences in the NASA results of Apollo moon landings that was presented to public.
I don't know if any of Apollo missions really landed on the moon, may be there was many failures and deaths, so NASA had to fake some, or all data. But I'm shure that manned landing on the Moon was technically possible at the time, so I don't leave out a possibility that one or few times they did it, just not in the way they presented it to public.
Look at everything that's going on, it all aligns with your description of the ISS fakery. Idiocracy in real-time.
Can't agrue against due to solidarity with latter :)
Think about it this way: would an ever-expanding decaying Universe make more sense as a simulation/creation/construct than a small, self-contained realm?
Then why simulate an impression of ever-expanding decaying Universe for that realm? Is sombody/something build that small realm, there was no need to create such complex (more complex than realm itself) and useless Universe image around. People who grow win that small realm will accept is as is, as completely normal thing without any need of Universe.
Why would you believe there ever was any moon soil? How can you verify it?
Than why there is such insane difference in percentage of gifts? So no need to verify if it was real or not. In either case the exchange is highly suspicious.
These people say many things about a lot of things, but most, if not all, of them are untrue, as you probably are well aware.
Of course, but there is where I could check the things.
I know that satellites is real, because few times a day I receive a real-time image of my location from the height of 800km directly from the thing that is passing over my home with the speed 7.43km/s. It is much harder to fake that, with all failures, orientation losses, interference, doppler, clouds patterns and other stuff, than to launch real stellite on the 800km orbit.
So, if satellite is real, then space stations, moon landings and other stuff is possible. Taking close look at Soviet Luna program you will find regular failure rate, every thing is based on previous developments, there are no any sudden luck or marvelous advances. No any lost records, docs and drawings, everything that was developed used even now with some upgrades, no conradictions in mission reports and so on. There are no any signs of hoax, just routine work in full accordance to the technological level. I didn't find anything suspicious. And nobody did. Nothing even close to weird things that happened during US moon program. It was perfectly possible at the time to land on the moon and even bring some dust back. As it possible right now, without any significant problems - every single bit of tech is available. China repeat stages of Soviet Luna program right now, and in few years it should be merged with continuation of Russian Luna program. If that dumb bastards will not start nuclear war.
I like all your questions. But unlike moonhoax they are not settled, and need to be researched. Many have direct impact on what is going on.
Another *winner give me interesting answer -
Why do people discuss it? Because people care about the moon. You can go outside, look up at the moon, and marvel, that no man has ever been there before.
Moonhoax is like the smashing best dreams, hopes and believes by stupid government agency. I don't feel like that, that is why I didn't understand the point.
Why do people discuss it? Because people care about the moon. You can go outside, look up at the moon, and marvel, that no man has ever been there before
That's absolutely convincing and very nice point, that's what I needed. Thank you!
First you claim you do not care
I don't care, was it hoax, or not.
now you claim you want to understand it
I want to understand why that question is important for you.
If you want to discuss the JFK hoax, feel free to make topics about it.
I don't want to discuss it, since there are no any fresh info on it. Everything is discussed long ago. So with moonhoax. I want to know why moonhoax is important thing to discuss without any fresh info again and again, and JFK asassination is not. For me, both things are old and settled theories of same imortance with no new info for a long time.
I understand that language barrier things and US-centricity of researchers. Seems legit.
If the Moon landing is not real, and the ISS is not real (reminder: Russians are part of the ISS, too), I would wonder what else isn't real.
Exactly. and here comes the need to debunk Russian space program too. All of it. But I don't see any attempts to do that, with all power of computer translation and all that stuff. There was a huge hype in Russian liberal MSM about Gagarin flight, just after the fall of USSR, but the point was that USSR hid a lot of deaths of cosmonauts that tried to reach space before first official flight, not the questioning the fact of space flight itself.
But it is still unclear, even if ISS is somehow fake, why it is important? It is nothing in comparison with theory that we all live in simulation. Also, it is unclear what is the purpose of making such miserable fakes when humanity have all technologies to fake much more than one small old space station. Why not fake giant space stations and moon bases? Modern technology allow to do that in realtime without all staging problems that hoaxers had to meet 50 years ago.
Even going further - if there is no space at all, no satellites, no ballistic missiles, nothing, how that knowledge is useful, and what we supposed to do with that? Just yet another argument in "they are lying to us"?
I personally know that space is perfectly real and there are no any technical problems that prevent building moon and even martian bases with current human technologies. We had everything to expand beyond out planet long ago, even in 1980s, but TPTB artificially curtailed all space exploration to prevent escaping of humans from the TPTB control.
As for US Moon Landing - there are a lot of suspicious inconsistencies in the whole story, and highly probably it was in part or even in most part staged. However that does not prove that it was not technically possible at the time.
For me, most suspicious thing I rarely find in western sources is that when USSR got moon soil from Luna-16,20 and 24 (~326 g), 30.2 grams (10%) was gifted to US scientists. At the same time US got 378kg of moon soil and gifted only 29.4 grams (0.01%) to Soviet scientists. There also was inconsistencies and strange circumstances in the comparative studying of moon soil from both sources in USSR, but the huge difference in percentage of gifted soil already is highly suspicious. Even just politically it had been perfectly reasonable for USA to gift much more moon soil to USSR, just to show overhelming superiority. But even in absolute value it was less than what USSR gifted to USA from its modest loot. There was kilograms of USA moon soil in museums, but Russian scientists, only ones who could compare the US soil with the rest of Russian one, got only miserable 29.4 grams.
But this is a conspiracy community, where the hole point is to talk about conspiracies
There is hundreds and thousands of conspiracy theories around. Some are important and we digging them actively here, some are settled long time ago and everybody know all arguments. I don't see many discussions on JFK asassination here, f.e. But moonhoax topics pops routenly. Does that mean that question of US Moon Landing is much more important than JFK asassination?
As far as I understand, settled conspiracy theories have its honored place in library, and there was no any advances in them for a long time. Everybody who want to know about them could do it without any problems. No need to discuss them frequently. Others, that get updates from ongoing events discussed more intensively, and that is completely logical - new information allow to make theory stronger, or disprove it, so it is critical to discuss them.
What place moonhoax theory takes among all that theories? I didn't saw any interesting updates to it for a long time. May be, I even know more arguments for that theory than any who continue to post it here, since I have access not only to US/Europe conspiracy theories, but also to Russian ones. But here we didn't getting any updates too.
Why is it so special among other, that is is necessary to constantly pop it up without adding anything to what everybody here perfectly know for a long time?
I really don't understand that obsession with moonhoax in English-speaking communities, and just want to understand it.
Stop paying attention to what the government does not want you to know, that is what I hear you saying.
AFAIR talks about mooonhoax are 30 years old, if not more. Obviously that does not work. And even if that will work, what result is estimated?
I perfectly inderstand the need for debunking, say, coronahoax, I did everything what I could to debunk it and unveil the truth. It was necessary to literally save lives, right here, right now. What is the point of debunking moonhoax now? Why it is so important? Is it some sacral, religious thing for Americans, that should be destroyed? What is the place of US Moon Landing in the American culture? Or may be some important narratives that poison the life in US are based on that thing, so it is very important to destroy the base for that narratives?
Could you answer directly? I'm not a politician, I don't understand that indirect murky things well.
I'm trying to better understand other people and trying to get what is the importance of the topic. So asking questions. Since when asking questions become "triggered"? Last time it was "actively joining into discussion to disprove opponent at any cost". I'm not discussing the topic at all and don't try to disprove it. There are even no opponents for me.
Oh, wait. Are you implying the US may have well faked space (which you claim is of no consequence to you), but the Russian stuff is legit?
I never saw anything about Russian stuff being hoax. Especially in quantities of US Moon Landing debunking. For me, it is logical to suppose that those who trying hard to debunk their own country hoax will definitely, and in first place debunk a hoax of enemy country. I could understand when Russians try to debunk US space program and not trying to debunk Russian space program. But it is unclear for me why those who go so deep to debunk their own country hoax, somehow forgot to debunk Russian one. If that people are so stupid to think that there is only US iexists n the world, I don't see any sense to take them seriously. If they are clever enough to know that US in not the only space state on the planet. but don't question Russian space program - why should I do it? They checked every bit of NASA data, so they definitely do that with Russian Space Agency data too and find nothing to debunk.
What about the International Fake Station?
You should start from 7 Salutes and 1 Mir station. Have something?
Where? It will be interesting to check.
Socialism is "from everybody according to abilites, to everybody according to his labour". It was never implemented fully AFAIK. In USSR to hide inability to build that real textbook socialism, government invented "different grades of socialism". And permanently talk about "in the next five years we will be near to transition to developed socialism". And do it every five years again and again.
Obviously it comes from marxism, where socialism was intermediate step of society to communism. Interesting, that Trotsky insist that it is impossible to build socialism in a single country and before building socialism they want to create worldwide revolution. Stalin thought that Trotsky is dumb Jewish bastard and that it is perfectly possible to build socialism in a single country without all that world communist revolution shit. As you know, Trotsky obviously lose that dispute, because Stalin's argument was heavier and sharper. :)
I grow in USSR and study in school in USSR. We studied all that marxist shit and it was far from what we observed around. Really, that was not as awful as many would think. And it definitely was something that didn't look like what now implemented in the west and posed as socialism or part of it. May be, because it was not "final" socialism.
I'm not so shure. If you take some modern business entity, with high probability you will find plenty things from socialism inside it. The relations between employer and employees, especially in large companies looks like socialism. With all that regulations, ideology, fixed prices, ignorance, absence of initiative, strict ierarchy, complete separation of top managers from lower levels, negative selection, etc. And that is the only thing on the west that resembles socialism. When large western companies began to expand into Russia, many people, who got the job in new branches, was shocked that they are internally looks like what most Russians hated in USSR. Sometimes it was even worse. But somehow nobody, no single western antimarxist is talking about it. May be just because they don't have any clue how socialism looks like?
So, if it is won't work, why large, private, and definitely capitalistic companies build that socialism-like shit inside?