Oh, wait. Are you implying the US may have well faked space (which you claim is of no consequence to you), but the Russian stuff is legit?
I never saw anything about Russian stuff being hoax. Especially in quantities of US Moon Landing debunking. For me, it is logical to suppose that those who trying hard to debunk their own country hoax will definitely, and in first place debunk a hoax of enemy country. I could understand when Russians try to debunk US space program and not trying to debunk Russian space program. But it is unclear for me why those who go so deep to debunk their own country hoax, somehow forgot to debunk Russian one. If that people are so stupid to think that there is only US iexists n the world, I don't see any sense to take them seriously. If they are clever enough to know that US in not the only space state on the planet. but don't question Russian space program - why should I do it? They checked every bit of NASA data, so they definitely do that with Russian Space Agency data too and find nothing to debunk.
I understand that language barrier things and US-centricity of researchers. Seems legit.
If the Moon landing is not real, and the ISS is not real (reminder: Russians are part of the ISS, too), I would wonder what else isn't real.
Exactly. and here comes the need to debunk Russian space program too. All of it. But I don't see any attempts to do that, with all power of computer translation and all that stuff. There was a huge hype in Russian liberal MSM about Gagarin flight, just after the fall of USSR, but the point was that USSR hid a lot of deaths of cosmonauts that tried to reach space before first official flight, not the questioning the fact of space flight itself.
But it is still unclear, even if ISS is somehow fake, why it is important? It is nothing in comparison with theory that we all live in simulation. Also, it is unclear what is the purpose of making such miserable fakes when humanity have all technologies to fake much more than one small old space station. Why not fake giant space stations and moon bases? Modern technology allow to do that in realtime without all staging problems that hoaxers had to meet 50 years ago.
Even going further - if there is no space at all, no satellites, no ballistic missiles, nothing, how that knowledge is useful, and what we supposed to do with that? Just yet another argument in "they are lying to us"?
I personally know that space is perfectly real and there are no any technical problems that prevent building moon and even martian bases with current human technologies. We had everything to expand beyond out planet long ago, even in 1980s, but TPTB artificially curtailed all space exploration to prevent escaping of humans from the TPTB control.
As for US Moon Landing - there are a lot of suspicious inconsistencies in the whole story, and highly probably it was in part or even in most part staged. However that does not prove that it was not technically possible at the time.
For me, most suspicious thing I rarely find in western sources is that when USSR got moon soil from Luna-16,20 and 24 (~326 g), 30.2 grams (10%) was gifted to US scientists. At the same time US got 378kg of moon soil and gifted only 29.4 grams (0.01%) to Soviet scientists. There also was inconsistencies and strange circumstances in the comparative studying of moon soil from both sources in USSR, but the huge difference in percentage of gifted soil already is highly suspicious. Even just politically it had been perfectly reasonable for USA to gift much more moon soil to USSR, just to show overhelming superiority. But even in absolute value it was less than what USSR gifted to USA from its modest loot. There was kilograms of USA moon soil in museums, but Russian scientists, only ones who could compare the US soil with the rest of Russian one, got only miserable 29.4 grams.
Look at everything that's going on, it all aligns with your description of the ISS fakery. Idiocracy in real-time.
Can't agrue against due to solidarity with latter :)
Think about it this way: would an ever-expanding decaying Universe make more sense as a simulation/creation/construct than a small, self-contained realm?
Then why simulate an impression of ever-expanding decaying Universe for that realm? Is sombody/something build that small realm, there was no need to create such complex (more complex than realm itself) and useless Universe image around. People who grow win that small realm will accept is as is, as completely normal thing without any need of Universe.
Why would you believe there ever was any moon soil? How can you verify it?
Than why there is such insane difference in percentage of gifts? So no need to verify if it was real or not. In either case the exchange is highly suspicious.
These people say many things about a lot of things, but most, if not all, of them are untrue, as you probably are well aware.
Of course, but there is where I could check the things.
I know that satellites is real, because few times a day I receive a real-time image of my location from the height of 800km directly from the thing that is passing over my home with the speed 7.43km/s. It is much harder to fake that, with all failures, orientation losses, interference, doppler, clouds patterns and other stuff, than to launch real stellite on the 800km orbit.
So, if satellite is real, then space stations, moon landings and other stuff is possible. Taking close look at Soviet Luna program you will find regular failure rate, every thing is based on previous developments, there are no any sudden luck or marvelous advances. No any lost records, docs and drawings, everything that was developed used even now with some upgrades, no conradictions in mission reports and so on. There are no any signs of hoax, just routine work in full accordance to the technological level. I didn't find anything suspicious. And nobody did. Nothing even close to weird things that happened during US moon program. It was perfectly possible at the time to land on the moon and even bring some dust back. As it possible right now, without any significant problems - every single bit of tech is available. China repeat stages of Soviet Luna program right now, and in few years it should be merged with continuation of Russian Luna program. If that dumb bastards will not start nuclear war.
I never saw anything about Russian stuff being hoax. Especially in quantities of US Moon Landing debunking. For me, it is logical to suppose that those who trying hard to debunk their own country hoax will definitely, and in first place debunk a hoax of enemy country. I could understand when Russians try to debunk US space program and not trying to debunk Russian space program. But it is unclear for me why those who go so deep to debunk their own country hoax, somehow forgot to debunk Russian one. If that people are so stupid to think that there is only US iexists n the world, I don't see any sense to take them seriously. If they are clever enough to know that US in not the only space state on the planet. but don't question Russian space program - why should I do it? They checked every bit of NASA data, so they definitely do that with Russian Space Agency data too and find nothing to debunk.
I understand that language barrier things and US-centricity of researchers. Seems legit.
Exactly. and here comes the need to debunk Russian space program too. All of it. But I don't see any attempts to do that, with all power of computer translation and all that stuff. There was a huge hype in Russian liberal MSM about Gagarin flight, just after the fall of USSR, but the point was that USSR hid a lot of deaths of cosmonauts that tried to reach space before first official flight, not the questioning the fact of space flight itself.
But it is still unclear, even if ISS is somehow fake, why it is important? It is nothing in comparison with theory that we all live in simulation. Also, it is unclear what is the purpose of making such miserable fakes when humanity have all technologies to fake much more than one small old space station. Why not fake giant space stations and moon bases? Modern technology allow to do that in realtime without all staging problems that hoaxers had to meet 50 years ago.
Even going further - if there is no space at all, no satellites, no ballistic missiles, nothing, how that knowledge is useful, and what we supposed to do with that? Just yet another argument in "they are lying to us"?
I personally know that space is perfectly real and there are no any technical problems that prevent building moon and even martian bases with current human technologies. We had everything to expand beyond out planet long ago, even in 1980s, but TPTB artificially curtailed all space exploration to prevent escaping of humans from the TPTB control.
As for US Moon Landing - there are a lot of suspicious inconsistencies in the whole story, and highly probably it was in part or even in most part staged. However that does not prove that it was not technically possible at the time.
For me, most suspicious thing I rarely find in western sources is that when USSR got moon soil from Luna-16,20 and 24 (~326 g), 30.2 grams (10%) was gifted to US scientists. At the same time US got 378kg of moon soil and gifted only 29.4 grams (0.01%) to Soviet scientists. There also was inconsistencies and strange circumstances in the comparative studying of moon soil from both sources in USSR, but the huge difference in percentage of gifted soil already is highly suspicious. Even just politically it had been perfectly reasonable for USA to gift much more moon soil to USSR, just to show overhelming superiority. But even in absolute value it was less than what USSR gifted to USA from its modest loot. There was kilograms of USA moon soil in museums, but Russian scientists, only ones who could compare the US soil with the rest of Russian one, got only miserable 29.4 grams.
Can't agrue against due to solidarity with latter :)
Then why simulate an impression of ever-expanding decaying Universe for that realm? Is sombody/something build that small realm, there was no need to create such complex (more complex than realm itself) and useless Universe image around. People who grow win that small realm will accept is as is, as completely normal thing without any need of Universe.
Than why there is such insane difference in percentage of gifts? So no need to verify if it was real or not. In either case the exchange is highly suspicious.
Of course, but there is where I could check the things.
I know that satellites is real, because few times a day I receive a real-time image of my location from the height of 800km directly from the thing that is passing over my home with the speed 7.43km/s. It is much harder to fake that, with all failures, orientation losses, interference, doppler, clouds patterns and other stuff, than to launch real stellite on the 800km orbit.
So, if satellite is real, then space stations, moon landings and other stuff is possible. Taking close look at Soviet Luna program you will find regular failure rate, every thing is based on previous developments, there are no any sudden luck or marvelous advances. No any lost records, docs and drawings, everything that was developed used even now with some upgrades, no conradictions in mission reports and so on. There are no any signs of hoax, just routine work in full accordance to the technological level. I didn't find anything suspicious. And nobody did. Nothing even close to weird things that happened during US moon program. It was perfectly possible at the time to land on the moon and even bring some dust back. As it possible right now, without any significant problems - every single bit of tech is available. China repeat stages of Soviet Luna program right now, and in few years it should be merged with continuation of Russian Luna program. If that dumb bastards will not start nuclear war.