So, there's this band that supposedly has existed since 2010s. It has some videos on Youtube. Some live recordings as well. A lot of comments there. It also has a homepage and Bandcamp page.
All seems well, except one small detail. I don't remember such band from that time. Hmm, strange...
Anyway, yesterday, while watching one of their live videos, I noticed a glitch and it struck me that I'm probably watching AI generated slop. Checked out some of their other videos and found some other glitches. Everything is very believable, bad sound quality, live singing, shaky camera and all that... except those small glitches.
In short, it's possible that this band doesn't exist. What's more, it probably has never existed. Could it be some kind of an experiment? Maybe they are testing whether they can pull such thing off?
Sure, I know there are a lot of fake things out there. What makes this one stand out, however, is its retroactivity. As if it already existed. In short, retroactive molding of our reality.
There's a dead internet theory. Which states that the internet is actually much, much emptier than it seems. That most of the internet is actually generated by bots and AI. What if they are trying to do the same with reality itself? Like, how many facts and events you have actually witnessed yourself in real life? How many you've just discovered and read about on the internet? The only way to be sure that something did in fact happen or existed before is to cross reference it in real life. Meet some people who actually do remember it being a thing. Or have witnessed it. Or participated in it.
What I'm talking here is manufacturing of events and facts which not only are fake, but which have never existed before their introduction into our info sphere. It's like inventing new Shakespeare who's not only fake, but who has never existed before. Not in 1500s, not in 1990s, not in 2000s.
Well, I don't know I'm correct on this or not, but it seemed like a scary thought. That they are aiming and soon might be able to fake not only current events, but the actual reality itself. It's a thin line between a simple fake and a retroactive one, but it's a significant one.
Yeah I've seen this stuff. My mum showed me this old homeless guy singing on X factor and turned out he was AI. Shame too there are probably real talented old geezers out there............... Who needs to look for them? Just fake it, lie and make money by having no talent.
Yep, I woudn't be surprised to learn that a lot of what we see on TV is fake. Either pure AI or simply actors pretending to participate in those contests and such.
However, a very important aspect here is retroactivity. In your example, it would be like a homeless guy winning X Factor back in 2005 while in reality he didn't. Faking not only the guy himself, but the whole event which supposedly took place in the past. It would involve faking the guy, faking the winning and faking happy public celebrating his win, congratulatory comments and such.
I don't know if I'm explaining it well enough, but this retroactivity was a key aspect of my post. Not only fakeness itself, but the retroactive nature of it.
No you did explain it, I only chimed in with my anecdote purely for the basic similarities.
It's nothing new. Back in the 60's, 70's and 80's a pretty fair amount of contestants on game shows ended up being in movies and commercials. It was explained that they were "discovered", but was likely an early role. Only difference now is AI can easily create that content and the "actor" is really only needed for making public appearances. Stunt men are most likely going to be replaced by AI if they haven't already. Always been a lot of fake B.S. in this world.
Yeah, sure, but my main point was that it's being injected into our reality as already happened. For example, Shakespeare might very vell be fake, but if you ask your parents or grandparents, they'll remember reading him in school. Fake or not, but he's been a thing since forever. Now, in case of retroactive fake, it would be that the internet is full of info how Shakespeare is a great author, his texts, articles about him and such, but in reality no one would remember reading him in school or anywhere else.
See, this molding of past was what got me thinking about it. Not just a fake, but a fake in time as well.
And that leads to my point about building a library of older books. Might be wise to start now
Yep, true that!
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Awesome link. I always zoom in to see the titles of the books. It says a lot about them
Creepy stuff. And it will get worse as people move to tech mediated communication more and more. We might end up in future where direct face to face communication becomes rare, something only old people do. In such a future everything becomes moldable. Reality itself becomes editable. Well, not real reality, of course, but what everyone believes is real.
Hell, even that guy on a podcast could not be real. Kind of a meta joke by the system. Podcast about bots narrated by a bot.
Well said
First, I don't think that the Internet is dead. Censored or making something hard to find and promoted propaganda? I'm sure that's very likely.
Second, generated content? Most likely. He who controls the past controls the future.
Third, what is the name of the band?
Fourth, check thrift stores and free stuff sites and look for encyclopedia sets and reference books. I have quite a few and I believe they are going to become valuable for those that want to know history. Hardback books will be the key to giving your kids a fighting chance. That said, I'm older and very conservative, but I have good friends that are a little older than I and definitely left of center and we all agree on my fourth point. We came to that conclusion a long time ago when the Internet was in its infancy. This has also been the consensus of many people we know and everyone I'm referring to has a masters or doctorate. Be careful and breach this subject carefully or you may pick up a rat in the mix. Ease into that area and tread lightly
Well, it doesn't mean it's dead dead. It just means that it is much more emptier and much more managed than we think it is.
It's like when you google for something it shows some 1000000 results or so, but in reality there are just about few hundred results. At page 4 or 5 results start to repeat and eventually stop altogether. Basically, googling gives you only what google wants you to see. It's not an organic search.
It's an obscure Russian band. I doubt you'd know it.
Regarding your fourth point I agree absolutely. Books, hard drives... any local and decentralized way to store information is definitely a must. History is already being rewritten right before our eyes. Imagine what it will look in some 20, 30 or 50 years! It will be unrecognizable.
All it takes is a series of EMPs, man made or natural and most digital data is gone, that's why we concluded books are essential. Can't change what's printed on the pages. I highly advise building a massive library, but stay away from fiction, it would become meaningless in that situation. College textbooks would be worth more than gold if that event took place. My grandkids understand the importance and also understand that that type of event may not happen until they have grandkids. Rest assured, it's coming, but probably not in my lifetime
It was already fake when the Jews indoctrinated people to believe that the Bible is equal to real world history.
tv was never reality.
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I have no problem believing that certain corporations like Berkshire Hathaway (owners of Fruit of the Loom) were willingly conscripted by the US government to participate in early pilot programs to invent althist and make it retroactive reality. The corporation scrubs and locks all its official history to remove a minor item (e.g. a cornucopia in the logo), while the government massages the internet with its early image recognition models to remove or neutralize any residual graphic evidence. Suddenly the confused public, who knows the truth, cannot evidence it graphically (except for finding a couple old newspaper clippings with the word "cornucopia").
Welcome to Tlon, Uqbar.
The solution is truth of course. Althist is simply larping and massive narrative seizure, and has been happening since the 72,000-year reign of "Enmendurana". All modern geology, evolutionary biology, and astrophysics is althist larping. Yet even confused normies with an experience (memory) will eventually overcome even billions of lockstep zergs with an pretense. (At c/Christianity I'm getting ready to post about how this is done as to Egyptian history.) Simply trust that truth will guide you and it will.
Yeah, Mandela Effect is an interesting one. Most explanations involve some kind of simulation theory or even supernatural phenomena at play. Quantum Immortality, Parallel Universes and such. Your explanation is very down to earth in comparison. Could be. Who knows...
In any case, they can't fake everything. Not yet at least. Truth is the key. I agree.
It's not the first time this sort of thing happens. A lot of, if not all of the religious figures never existed and Jews were never in Palestine but their story was sold to generations of people as if it were history with a lot of real world implications. The scam included making up and falsifying supposed historical documents and artifacts in addition to knowingly falsely interpreting whatever actual historical evidence existed of other unrelated events or cultures.
This of course will be far worst because it can be done a lot easier if people's entire "reality" is digital.
Yes, this digital factor is what's especially scary. They can concoct anything... For example, that we had a war with aliens in 80s. Sure, we know it didn't happen, because a lot of people still remember 80s and they know it's not true... but next generations won't and with enough determination I'm afraid it is indeed possible to make them believe it.
They'll have generated war footage in which people with mullets are fighting aliens while synth pop soundtrack is playing. There'll be a lot of eyewitness stories generated... and all the rest... Even if some 100 year old geezer who still remembers 80s will tell them that nothing of the sort happened, no one will believe him, because it'll be his word against tons and tons of digital information.
Yep, our history is full of lies. Probably even all of it... or little less than all of it. With AI and people living more and more in digital reality it could become even easier to fake it.
A figure implies form shaped within flow...it's holding onto any figure which distracts from the process of shaping and religion represents holding onto aka re (to respond) ligo (to bind).
Taking a measurement (much) into possession (our) contradicts reality aka re (to respond) al (all) aka ones response (potential) to all (procession).
Fake requires ones responding choice to hold onto something (suggested) while ignoring that everything (perceivable) moves.
Look into The Beatles while ignoring the actors playing them for the designer... (((Theodor W. Adorno)))
Watching anything implies expression (ex) pressing forward (peri) mind (ment) aka the expression of others pressing forward ones mind, while the watcher represses self.
Sleight of hand through Madonna: "Express yourself; don't repress yourself...and I'm not sorry...it's human nature".
To "know" implies the process of analysis (setting apart)...broadcasting a "lot" implies a synthesis (putting together).
Nature implies analysis; artifice implies synthesis.
Nature implies action; being implies reaction. Few suggest "retro" to tempt many to mentally hold onto, while ignoring physical action. Anything physically sold as retro tempts one to justify mentally retrogressing.
As for the use of retroactivity to rewrite the past...only within an ongoing line (inception towards death) can one (life) write. It's past and future which represent the fiction corrupting ones real presence.
A presence (life) cannot perceive past (inception) or future (death) while being transferred in-between...yet others can present a past to hold onto and a future to hope or fear for.
So is the world within which there can be only one...cause > effect implies singularity. Only within the same cause can each different effect come into being.
Reality implies singularity...plurality (they) implies fiction. THEY aren't trying...ONE fails the trial to discern self when viewing another one (singular) as they (plural).
a) Fact implies F(icticious)ACT...
b) To be a witness implies sacrificing self as a martyr for others... https://www.etymonline.com/word/witness
The opposite of witness implies participant (being) within whole (nature).
Aka fiction (witness) or reality (participant)...free will of choice.
Coming into being implies each ones introduction into all...never aka "nothing-everything" represents a suggested fiction tempting one to de-nial/nihilo (nothing) reality.