Templar crosses. An expression of papal loyalty.
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TALLESTSKIL Said
“If they’re Jews, they’re not messianic. If they’re messianic, they’re not Jews.”
Then sir, you need to explain why the apostle Paul the Apostle says the exact opposite.
In Romans 11:1 (Amplified Bible) “I say then, has God rejected and disowned His people? Certainly not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.”
Paul believed in Yeshua and still identified himself as a Jew. The Greek word he uses is Ἰσραηλίτης (Israēlitēs), meaning a member of the people of Israel. So the rule you just invented collapses immediately.
And Paul goes even further in the same chapter when he addresses Gentiles who start thinking they replaced Israel.
Romans 11:17–18 (Amplified Bible) “But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive [shoot], were grafted in among them to share in the rich root of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. If you do boast, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root that supports you.”
The Greek word for root is ῥίζα (rhiza), meaning the source or origin. Very important.
Paul’s point is simple. The Gentile believer is the wild branch grafted in. The root is Israel. The branch does not replace the root and it certainly does not define it.
So the idea that a Jew stops being a Jew the moment he believes Yeshua is the Messiah is the exact opposite of what Paul teaches. And the moment Gentiles start boasting against the natural branches, Paul says you have already forgotten your place. See?
The root supports the Gentile sir, not the other way around. Have a good day.
Thanks for the quote that doesn’t refute what I say, nor show he said the opposite.
Any jew that accepts the messiah is a Christian. Any jew that does not is a jew. If this is difficult for you to comprehend, you cannot speak on matters of Christianity.
They are not all of Israel who are of Israel.
Oh, cool; you’re using the fake name. Thanks for outing yourself.
No. It’s not. It’s not even remotely relevant to what he said. You seem to have no idea what you’re saying. Acceptance of Christ is the subsumption of previous allegiances and identities into that of the Christian. Christ Himself said so.
I see that it’s irrelevant to the discussion.
The ancient Hebrews all became Christians centuries ago. Today all we have left is the jew. And they are damned for all eternity.
Read the Bible for once.
TALLESTSKIL You’re contradicting yourself and Paul at the same time. lol
You say a Jew who accepts the Messiah stops being a Jew and becomes something else. But the apostle Paul the Apostle literally identifies himself as both after believing in Yeshua. How do you square that?
Look in Romans 11:1 (Amplified Bible) “I say then, has God rejected and disowned His people? Certainly not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.”
Look at The Greek word he uses is Ἰσραηλίτης (Israēlitēs). That means a member of Israel. Paul did not say “I used to be an Israelite.” He says I am. Big difference dude.
And your claim that “the ancient Hebrews all became Christians centuries ago and now only Jews are left” is something the Scriptures never say. LOL.
Paul says the opposite in the same chapter.
Look AGAIN in Romans 11:28–29 (Amplified Bible) “From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake; but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are still beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.”
The Greek word for irrevocable is ἀμεταμέλητα (ametamelēta), meaning not withdrawn, not taken back. Look it up!!
So no, Israel did not disappear and get replaced. Paul explicitly says God has not rejected His people. I see a duh coming on.
And you brushed off the warning about boasting against the natural branches, but that warning was written to Gentiles exactly for this kind of arrogance. Go back and read it.
Romans 11:17–18 (Amplified Bible) “But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive [shoot], were grafted in among them… do not boast against the branches… it is not you who supports the root, but the root that supports you.”
The Greek word for root is ῥίζα (rhiza), the source or foundation.
So the picture Paul gives is clear. Gentiles are grafted in. Israel is the root. God has not rejected His people. And Gentiles are warned not to boast against the natural branches.
You told me to read the Bible. I did. That is why your claim does not line up with what Paul actually wrote. Do better homework.
we done son?
Self-evidently. You refuse to reply to what others actually write, you can’t defend your claims, and you post heresies that only jews have ever said. We’re completely done. You’ve exposed what you are.
QUOTE: "Self-evidently. You refuse to reply to what others actually write, you can’t defend your claims, and you post heresies that only jews have ever said. We’re completely done. You’ve exposed what you are."
QUOTE OF MY REPLY: "TALLESTSKIL You’re contradicting yourself and Paul at the same time. lol
You say a Jew who accepts the Messiah stops being a Jew and becomes something else. But the apostle Paul the Apostle literally identifies himself as both after believing in Yeshua. How do you square that?
Look in Romans 11:1 (Amplified Bible) “I say then, has God rejected and disowned His people? Certainly not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.”
Look at The Greek word he uses is Ἰσραηλίτης (Israēlitēs). That means a member of Israel. Paul did not say “I used to be an Israelite.” He says I am. Big difference dude.
And your claim that “the ancient Hebrews all became Christians centuries ago and now only Jews are left” is something the Scriptures never say. LOL.
Paul says the opposite in the same chapter.
Look AGAIN in Romans 11:28–29 (Amplified Bible) “From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake; but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are still beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.”
The Greek word for irrevocable is ἀμεταμέλητα (ametamelēta), meaning not withdrawn, not taken back. Look it up!!
So no, Israel did not disappear and get replaced. Paul explicitly says God has not rejected His people. I see a duh coming on.
And you brushed off the warning about boasting against the natural branches, but that warning was written to Gentiles exactly for this kind of arrogance. Go back and read it.
Romans 11:17–18 (Amplified Bible) “But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive [shoot], were grafted in among them… do not boast against the branches… it is not you who supports the root, but the root that supports you.”
The Greek word for root is ῥίζα (rhiza), the source or foundation.
So the picture Paul gives is clear. Gentiles are grafted in. Israel is the root. God has not rejected His people. And Gentiles are warned not to boast against the natural branches.
You told me to read the Bible. I did. That is why your claim does not line up with what Paul actually wrote. Do better homework." <----- SO WHATS THIS SIR?
As for who I am I am a born again Child of the Living God sir. Yeshua is the King of Kings and God come in the flesh. Tread carefully.
Did Paul believe in the talmud? Did Paul abuse chickens? Did he clip coins? Did he bow to moloch and baal? Did he wear the star of "david"? Did he cry victim all the time? Did he want mass immigration and LGTBBQ and trans and pron? Did he push miscegnation? Was he pro-usury?
HARZKP813 you said...
Did Paul the Apostle believe the Talmud? No. The Talmud did not exist yet. Paul lived in the first century. The Mishnah was compiled around 200 AD and the Talmud centuries after that.
Did Paul abuse chickens? No. That accusation comes from much later polemics and rituals that appeared long after the first century. It has nothing to do with Paul.
Did he clip coins? No. Coin clipping was a medieval crime where people shaved precious metal from coins. Historically it was often Christians who were caught and punished for it. In medieval England many of the people prosecuted for coin clipping were Christians, even though Jews were often scapegoated for the crime. None of that has anything to do with a first-century Jew like Paul.
Did Paul bow to Molech or Baal? No. Paul explicitly condemned idolatry.
Romans 1:22–23 (Amplified Bible) “Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory and majesty and excellence of the immortal God for an image [worthless idols] in the shape of mortal man and birds and four-footed animals and reptiles.”
The Greek word used for idolatry is εἰδωλολατρία (eidōlolatria), meaning the worship of idols.
Did he wear the “Star of David”? No. That symbol did not become widely associated with Jewish identity until the medieval period, more than a thousand years after Paul lived.
Did Paul “cry victim”? No. Paul openly identified himself as Jewish while following Yeshua.
Romans 11:1 (Amplified Bible) “I say then, has God rejected and disowned His people? Certainly not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.”
The Greek word he uses is Ἰσραηλίτης (Israēlitēs), meaning a member of Israel.
Did Paul push mass immigration, LGBT ideology, or modern political movements? No. Those are modern issues. Paul’s letters deal with first-century questions like circumcision, Torah observance, and Gentiles being grafted into Israel.
Did he push miscegenation? No. Paul spoke about unity of Jews and Gentiles in the Messiah, not modern racial categories.
Was he pro-usury? No. Paul taught believers to live honestly and not exploit others.
AND PAUL GIVES A DIRECT WARNING TO GENTILES WHO START RAILING AGAINST JEWS.
AND PAUL GIVES A DIRECT WARNING TO GENTILES WHO START RAILING AGAINST JEWS.
AND PAUL GIVES A DIRECT WARNING TO GENTILES WHO START RAILING AGAINST JEWS.
Romans 11:17–18 (Amplified Bible) “But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive [shoot], were grafted in among them… do not boast against the branches… it is not you who supports the root, but the root that supports you.”
The Greek word sir for root is ῥίζα (rhiza), meaning the source or origin. LOOK IT UP!!
So every accusation you listed either comes from a completely different historical period or has nothing to do with what Paul actually taught. Enjoy your day.
So that means Paul was not a Modern Jew.
Precisely.
Nope. "Judeo"-christians, mabye.
Precisely. He also wasn't greedy, hostile, cracking down on as much criticism as he could, or always angry.
Which people like Netanyahu clearly do not.
God's people are anyone who follows Christ, aren't they?
There is no temple so there are no records. Good luck tracing the kippahmen's lineage.
Not a member of 1948 isntreal which was created by THE GLOBALIST SATANIST ELITE U.N.
It is insane how people will rail on the U.N. all day but yet support IsFake.
Like how 1948 U.N.real is modern. 1948 Isreal is Unreal!
Precisely.
True.
So no one anywhere can ever criticize the ((()))', because you extrapolate a passage about Abram to these modern day fakes with no established lineage?
That's only talking about Hebrews. About OT believers in God. Not these new impostors seeking cover under a claim to the OT faith.
You too!
HARZKP813 you seem confused.
That list you threw out is just a stack of old stereotypes that fall apart the moment you look at reality.
Jews do not “believe the Talmud over everything.” Most Jews today are secular and many do not even study it.
“Clipping coins” is a medieval myth that got attached to Jews even though the people actually caught doing it in Europe were often Christians.
The “Star of David” is just a cultural symbol that became common centuries after the biblical period.
Accusing Jews of worshipping Baal or Molech is nonsense. Judaism is strictly monotheistic and has condemned those idols for thousands of years.
The idea that Jews are pushing modern Western political movements like LGBT activism, mass immigration, or anything else as some unified agenda is just conspiracy thinking. Jews are politically all over the spectrum like any other population.
And the usury stereotype exists because medieval laws often banned Christians from lending money with interest while allowing Jews to do certain financial jobs. That created resentment and myths that stuck around long after the laws disappeared.
So the list you posted is not evidence of anything. It is just recycled accusations that have been floating around for centuries.
Okay, what about (((their))) stereotypes about goys, then?
I did not say "over everything". If I say a buddhist believes in a buddhist text, that doesn't mean he believes it "over everything".
Exactly. You have just made a great point. So there is no reason for Christians, let alone Trump, to cave to their every second demand. And it's well known they are fiercely nepotistic and them-first.
Believed what jEWs said about his ancestors award. "The Christkillers are more trustworthy than everyone else!"
Imagine undermining your own faith in support of people who view you as goyim (cattle). How many statues of WW1 and WW2 veterans are there in holocost museums? In Israel? What's Israel's policy on blacks or indians marrying Jews?
Even the OT "Jews" (really, Hebrews) kept falling for them. How much more that has increased after 70 A.D.
Again, confusing Hebrews with "Jews".
I haven't seen any condemnation or denouncement from (((them))) since after 70 A.D.
The powerful ones who could effect real change did that, yeah.
That's establishment, mainstream-freindly naive thinking.
Don't you think if the goobernment lies about Covid, 911, Iraq, among other things, why can't it ever be wrong about ((()))s?
A depressingly large amount are in favor of it. The others don't care or are ignorant about it. This argument is no different from the "Not All Mozlems" argument.
Didn't say otherwise. Fact: More jEWs voted for cameltoe HairyHass than Trump in 2024.
That double standard was unjust and should never have happened, then. Also there is still usury today.
Because they were true, not myths. I thought "truth lasted"?
HARZKP813
You are jumping between centuries, stereotypes, and modern politics and pretending it is one continuous argument. It is not.
First, the “Christkiller” accusation. The New Testament itself does not support blaming an entire people. Yeshua was executed by Roman authority under Pontius Pilate. Historically that is how crucifixion worked. Rome carried it out.
Second, the idea that Jews today secretly worship Baal or Molech. That accusation makes no sense when applied to Judaism. Judaism has been strictly monotheistic for thousands of years and explicitly condemns those idols. The Hebrew Scriptures repeatedly condemn Molech worship as abomination.
Third, the coin clipping stereotype. That crime shows up in medieval Europe. Court records from England and other kingdoms show large numbers of Christians prosecuted for it. Yet entire Jewish communities were often blamed collectively even when individuals convicted were not Jewish. That is where the stereotype comes from.
Fourth, the claim about political control or a unified agenda. Jewish populations are politically diverse across countries and communities. The fact that some Jews hold positions of influence does not prove a coordinated agenda any more than influential Catholics, Protestants, or secular people prove those groups run governments.
Fifth, the argument that ancient Hebrews were different from Jews today. Historically that is incorrect. Judaism developed directly from the religion and people of ancient Israel after the Second Temple period. The continuity is widely recognized in historical and archaeological scholarship.
Finally, the entire discussion started because you were mocking the idea that a Jew could believe Yeshua is the Messiah. The apostle Paul the Apostle was exactly that: a Jew who believed Yeshua is the Messiah and still identified as an Israelite.
Romans 11:1 (Amplified Bible) “I say then, has God rejected and disowned His people? Certainly not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.”
The Greek word Paul uses is Ἰσραηλίτης (Israēlitēs), meaning a member of Israel.
So the attempt to divide “Hebrews” from “Jews,” pile on medieval accusations, and then attach modern politics to it does not hold up historically or biblically.
Facts don't care dude. Just relax and deal. Lates.