Templar crosses. An expression of papal loyalty.
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Did Paul believe in the talmud? Did Paul abuse chickens? Did he clip coins? Did he bow to moloch and baal? Did he wear the star of "david"? Did he cry victim all the time? Did he want mass immigration and LGTBBQ and trans and pron? Did he push miscegnation? Was he pro-usury?
HARZKP813 you said...
Did Paul the Apostle believe the Talmud? No. The Talmud did not exist yet. Paul lived in the first century. The Mishnah was compiled around 200 AD and the Talmud centuries after that.
Did Paul abuse chickens? No. That accusation comes from much later polemics and rituals that appeared long after the first century. It has nothing to do with Paul.
Did he clip coins? No. Coin clipping was a medieval crime where people shaved precious metal from coins. Historically it was often Christians who were caught and punished for it. In medieval England many of the people prosecuted for coin clipping were Christians, even though Jews were often scapegoated for the crime. None of that has anything to do with a first-century Jew like Paul.
Did Paul bow to Molech or Baal? No. Paul explicitly condemned idolatry.
Romans 1:22–23 (Amplified Bible) “Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory and majesty and excellence of the immortal God for an image [worthless idols] in the shape of mortal man and birds and four-footed animals and reptiles.”
The Greek word used for idolatry is εἰδωλολατρία (eidōlolatria), meaning the worship of idols.
Did he wear the “Star of David”? No. That symbol did not become widely associated with Jewish identity until the medieval period, more than a thousand years after Paul lived.
Did Paul “cry victim”? No. Paul openly identified himself as Jewish while following Yeshua.
Romans 11:1 (Amplified Bible) “I say then, has God rejected and disowned His people? Certainly not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.”
The Greek word he uses is Ἰσραηλίτης (Israēlitēs), meaning a member of Israel.
Did Paul push mass immigration, LGBT ideology, or modern political movements? No. Those are modern issues. Paul’s letters deal with first-century questions like circumcision, Torah observance, and Gentiles being grafted into Israel.
Did he push miscegenation? No. Paul spoke about unity of Jews and Gentiles in the Messiah, not modern racial categories.
Was he pro-usury? No. Paul taught believers to live honestly and not exploit others.
AND PAUL GIVES A DIRECT WARNING TO GENTILES WHO START RAILING AGAINST JEWS.
AND PAUL GIVES A DIRECT WARNING TO GENTILES WHO START RAILING AGAINST JEWS.
AND PAUL GIVES A DIRECT WARNING TO GENTILES WHO START RAILING AGAINST JEWS.
Romans 11:17–18 (Amplified Bible) “But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive [shoot], were grafted in among them… do not boast against the branches… it is not you who supports the root, but the root that supports you.”
The Greek word sir for root is ῥίζα (rhiza), meaning the source or origin. LOOK IT UP!!
So every accusation you listed either comes from a completely different historical period or has nothing to do with what Paul actually taught. Enjoy your day.
So that means Paul was not a Modern Jew.
Precisely.
Nope. "Judeo"-christians, mabye.
Precisely. He also wasn't greedy, hostile, cracking down on as much criticism as he could, or always angry.
Which people like Netanyahu clearly do not.
God's people are anyone who follows Christ, aren't they?
There is no temple so there are no records. Good luck tracing the kippahmen's lineage.
Not a member of 1948 isntreal which was created by THE GLOBALIST SATANIST ELITE U.N.
It is insane how people will rail on the U.N. all day but yet support IsFake.
Like how 1948 U.N.real is modern. 1948 Isreal is Unreal!
Precisely.
True.
So no one anywhere can ever criticize the ((()))'s, because you extrapolate a passage about Abram to these modern day fakes with no established lineage?
That's only talking about Hebrews. About OT believers in God. Not these new impostors seeking cover under a claim to the OT faith.
You too!
Dear Handshake HARZKP814
You quoted me all over the place but you still did not deal with the actual text.
You claim Romans 11 is only about “Hebrews” and not applicable now.
That is false.
Paul the Apostle wrote Romans after Yeshua, to Gentile believers, warning them in real time.
Romans 11:17–18 (Amplified Bible) “But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive [shoot], were grafted in among them… do not boast against the branches… it is not you who supports the root, but the root that supports you.”
That is not Old Testament. That is not “ancient Hebrews only.” That is a direct warning to Gentiles in the Messianic age.
So your claim collapses immediately. Then you twist it into “so nobody can criticize Jews ever.”
No. That is you building a strawman because you cannot deal with what the text actually says.
The warning is about arrogance and replacement, not banning criticism. And here is the part you keep avoiding. Romans 11:1 (Amplified Bible) “For I too am an Israelite…” Paul believed Yeshua is the Messiah and still identifies as Israelite. IMAGINE THAT.
So your whole framework of “Hebrews back then vs fake Jews now” does not come from the text. It comes from you forcing the text to fit your narrative. Which means you're a liar.
You quoted everything. You just did not understand what you quoted. Bbfn
No, I'm saying 'some of the branches' are Hebrews. Not the European ashkeNAZI people that arrived on a boat. And the Root is Jesus, is it not?
That's what you implied, yeah. Thanks for expanding your position.
What about when it says the jews are "contrary to all men" ?
Speaking of arrogance, most modern jews are very arrogant, such as thinking they can outsmart God.
Matthew 3:9
Ok.
Israelite. So the Temple was around?
Yes, he BELIEVED IN YESHUA. Not the talMUD, not secular.
It comes from seeing their actions today and John 8:39. Also Paul was being a true Jew (Hebrew) by belief in God's Son. Which modern jEWs do the exact opposite of.
Projection, there is nothing about the ashkeNAZIs in the verses you mentioned.
So that means Paul was not a Modern Jew.
Precisely.
Nope. "Judeo"-christians, mabye.
Precisely. He also wasn't greedy, hostile, cracking down on as much criticism as he could, or always angry.
Which people like Netanyahu clearly do not.
God's people are anyone who follows Christ, aren't they?
There is no temple so there are no records. Good luck tracing the kippahmen's lineage.
Not a member of 1948 isntreal which was created by THE GLOBALIST SATANIST ELITE U.N.
It is insane how people will rail on the U.N. all day but yet support IsFake.
Like how 1948 U.N.real is modern. 1948 Isreal is Unreal!
Precisely.
True.
So no one anywhere can ever criticize the ((()))', because you extrapolate a passage about Abram to these modern day fakes with no established lineage?
That's only talking about Hebrews. About OT believers in God. Not these new impostors seeking cover under a claim to the OT faith.
You too!
HARZKP813 you seem confused.
That list you threw out is just a stack of old stereotypes that fall apart the moment you look at reality.
Jews do not “believe the Talmud over everything.” Most Jews today are secular and many do not even study it.
“Clipping coins” is a medieval myth that got attached to Jews even though the people actually caught doing it in Europe were often Christians.
The “Star of David” is just a cultural symbol that became common centuries after the biblical period.
Accusing Jews of worshipping Baal or Molech is nonsense. Judaism is strictly monotheistic and has condemned those idols for thousands of years.
The idea that Jews are pushing modern Western political movements like LGBT activism, mass immigration, or anything else as some unified agenda is just conspiracy thinking. Jews are politically all over the spectrum like any other population.
And the usury stereotype exists because medieval laws often banned Christians from lending money with interest while allowing Jews to do certain financial jobs. That created resentment and myths that stuck around long after the laws disappeared.
So the list you posted is not evidence of anything. It is just recycled accusations that have been floating around for centuries.
Okay, what about (((their))) stereotypes about goys, then?
I did not say "over everything". If I say a buddhist believes in a buddhist text, that doesn't mean he believes it "over everything".
Exactly. You have just made a great point. So there is no reason for Christians, let alone Trump, to cave to their every second demand. And it's well known they are fiercely nepotistic and them-first.
Believed what jEWs said about his ancestors award. "The Christkillers are more trustworthy than everyone else!"
Imagine undermining your own faith in support of people who view you as goyim (cattle). How many statues of WW1 and WW2 veterans are there in holocost museums? In Israel? What's Israel's policy on blacks or indians marrying Jews?
Even the OT "Jews" (really, Hebrews) kept falling for them. How much more that has increased after 70 A.D.
Again, confusing Hebrews with "Jews".
I haven't seen any condemnation or denouncement from (((them))) since after 70 A.D.
The powerful ones who could effect real change did that, yeah.
That's establishment, mainstream-freindly naive thinking.
Don't you think if the goobernment lies about Covid, 911, Iraq, among other things, why can't it ever be wrong about ((()))s?
A depressingly large amount are in favor of it. The others don't care or are ignorant about it. This argument is no different from the "Not All Mozlems" argument.
Didn't say otherwise. Fact: More jEWs voted for cameltoe HairyHass than Trump in 2024.
That double standard was unjust and should never have happened, then. Also there is still usury today.
Because they were true, not myths. I thought "truth lasted"?
HARZKP813
You are jumping between centuries, stereotypes, and modern politics and pretending it is one continuous argument. It is not.
First, the “Christkiller” accusation. The New Testament itself does not support blaming an entire people. Yeshua was executed by Roman authority under Pontius Pilate. Historically that is how crucifixion worked. Rome carried it out.
Second, the idea that Jews today secretly worship Baal or Molech. That accusation makes no sense when applied to Judaism. Judaism has been strictly monotheistic for thousands of years and explicitly condemns those idols. The Hebrew Scriptures repeatedly condemn Molech worship as abomination.
Third, the coin clipping stereotype. That crime shows up in medieval Europe. Court records from England and other kingdoms show large numbers of Christians prosecuted for it. Yet entire Jewish communities were often blamed collectively even when individuals convicted were not Jewish. That is where the stereotype comes from.
Fourth, the claim about political control or a unified agenda. Jewish populations are politically diverse across countries and communities. The fact that some Jews hold positions of influence does not prove a coordinated agenda any more than influential Catholics, Protestants, or secular people prove those groups run governments.
Fifth, the argument that ancient Hebrews were different from Jews today. Historically that is incorrect. Judaism developed directly from the religion and people of ancient Israel after the Second Temple period. The continuity is widely recognized in historical and archaeological scholarship.
Finally, the entire discussion started because you were mocking the idea that a Jew could believe Yeshua is the Messiah. The apostle Paul the Apostle was exactly that: a Jew who believed Yeshua is the Messiah and still identified as an Israelite.
Romans 11:1 (Amplified Bible) “I say then, has God rejected and disowned His people? Certainly not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.”
The Greek word Paul uses is Ἰσραηλίτης (Israēlitēs), meaning a member of Israel.
So the attempt to divide “Hebrews” from “Jews,” pile on medieval accusations, and then attach modern politics to it does not hold up historically or biblically.
Facts don't care dude. Just relax and deal. Lates.
EXACTLY. So that basically disproves your entire idea that j EVVs and J ews (Heb rews!) are the same.
Know what a "Representative" is? Also I don't blame a people, that is a strawman the edj EVVcation system drilled into the weakmind g0ybrains.
Who made Rome do it? It's not like there's a "clean side".
It's not secret, it's known.
You mean the OT kind, which isn't being practiced, to our knowledge. There is also no temple for sacrifices to be properly done.
And j EVVs after 70 A.D. do not follow them, to our knowledge.
Believed what jEVVs said about his ancestors award. "The people whose country bombed the USS Liberty and killed JFK are more trustworthy than everyone else! Leo frank dindu nuffin! Larry Loomer the trans person is the best influencer!"
Imagine undermining your own faith in support of people who view you as g0yim (cattle). How many statues of WW1 and WW2 veterans are there in holocost museums? In Israel? What's UNreal's policy on blacks or indians marrying J evvs?
A depressingly large amount are in favor of it. The others don't care or are ignorant about it. This argument is no different from the "Not All Mozlems" argument.
Didn't say otherwise. Fact: More j EVVs voted for cameltoe HairyHas than Trump in 2024.
Then how come all Western countries at some point want to suicide via woke policy and mass migration?
It was in effect from when people offered sacrifices and observed 613 laws to after Jesus rose.
With all the horrendous outcomes that influential jEVVs produce, how can you possibly believe they are Heb rews?
If that was true we would be taught that instead of Swindler's Li(e)st and literal Hollywood propaganda.
Ah, because questioning a number is mocking.
Then he would be a Christian. Or do you mean racially?
Hebrew by lineage?
A ton of facts, yeah. Like
Like how j eVVs accuse g0ys of a bunch of things, one alltime favorite being "anti SHEMite"?
Because the impostors that appeared later also didn't exist.
Correct.
Paul was aware of the oral tradition now encoded in the Talmud, and it can be fairly said, at least as a general rule, that anything from the Mishna portions would have been upheld by him, even though he might not have agreed with every single majority opinion. In his day, this counts as contemporary belief in the "talmud" (not "Talmud").
Nobody abused chickens, as Jewish ritual slaughter has always been recognized as designed to prevent abuse. Paul did pay for animal sacrifices long after his conversion, Acts 20. The modern waving of chickens is likely similar to the waving of breast meat, Lev. 7, so would not be regarded as abusive, unless one wishes to say the practice has gone beyond its original limits and become emotionalist and excessive.
Name the coin-clippers. The first listed coin debaser was Nero by 5% in 64 AD. The first actual clippers listed were Thomas and Anne Rogers, 1690.
Paul didn't bow to Moloch or Baal, and Judaism has always condemned this even as Jews of various generations fell into it. Since it's a serious crime, it should not be charged lightly, and joining modern efforts to detect it accurately is welcome.
Paul didn't know the hexagram, which was introduced in Israel ca. 300 AD (Gershon Scholem). Incidentally, he also didn't support the star of Remphan/Chiun, which was known to Amos is the 700s BC and therefore couldn't be the hexagram (I'll spare you my dissertation on what it was). The predominant Jewish symbols then were the menorah, the olive tree, the prayer shawl, the lion, etc. Paul probably wore the prayer shawl as Jesus did (with tassels and perhaps blue stripes), and probably at times had worn phylacteries containing Bible verses (which Jesus didn't reject if they weren't ostentatious). At that time of course there was no negative symbolism associated with black cubes so the symbol was untainted.
Paul did share with other prophets (and with those with a high moral sense) a strong sensitivity to injustices against himself, but he modeled turning those into occasions to demonstrate submission to Christ. Feel free to name individuals who use victimization to imbalance justice against unnoticed victims.
In Greece, Paul upheld national boundaries and rights of self-determination for all nations (Acts 17:24-28). So he'd likely oppose the imposition of immigration onto nations as it was regularly deprecated in the OT. There is a line of argument by which Jews agreed with Cyrus's remigration of them into Judah when Samaritans lived there already (some of which might have had earlier native roots), so this view of Paul might be debatable.
Paul would have agreed with Jesus that three classes of "eunuchs" could not receive all the Jewish commands relating to marriage, indicating some leeway dealing with those struggling with sexual identity. There was no tolerance for deliberate active or passive sodomy itself. Paul would've agreed with Ezekiel (23:13-17) that staring at pornographic images to incite lust was also not to be tolerated.
The Torah position that there is to be no miscegenation without full conversion to the covenant people and polity would have been upheld, as would its position that one may not exact usury from a fellow citizen. The Torah position that the law should be the same for Jew and Gentile was largely upheld in his day. Over successive centuries, some Jews took the position that it was not their job to help Gentiles write inspired laws for themselves against miscegenation and usury, and that it was ethical to take advantage of the more lenient laws of the Gentiles when it could be done to advantage. This is a valid criticism against those Jews who adopted this stance, when they could have easily said that since Jews criminalize miscegenation and usury among themselves they should not promote them among others, and indeed this alternate stance was taken by many Jews who regarded it as essential for the sanctification of God's name. Such criticism is similar to criticism of Americans who take advantage of foreign laws to engage in activities that are criminal in America.
I leave it to you to Name The Jew For Real. Aside, I greatly appreciate your apparent remaining moderate in tone as I requested; you come across like Vlad the Impaler on one of his gentle days. However, Scored is a bit of an "elite research board" and if you remain in the character of indirection rather than firmness I believe your influence will lessen.