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Templar crosses. An expression of papal loyalty. (media.scored.co)
posted 2 days ago by TurnToGodNow 2 days ago by TurnToGodNow +15 / -4
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– Agent_86 2 points 17 hours ago +2 / -0

HARZKP813

You are jumping between centuries, stereotypes, and modern politics and pretending it is one continuous argument. It is not.

First, the “Christkiller” accusation. The New Testament itself does not support blaming an entire people. Yeshua was executed by Roman authority under Pontius Pilate. Historically that is how crucifixion worked. Rome carried it out.

Second, the idea that Jews today secretly worship Baal or Molech. That accusation makes no sense when applied to Judaism. Judaism has been strictly monotheistic for thousands of years and explicitly condemns those idols. The Hebrew Scriptures repeatedly condemn Molech worship as abomination.

Third, the coin clipping stereotype. That crime shows up in medieval Europe. Court records from England and other kingdoms show large numbers of Christians prosecuted for it. Yet entire Jewish communities were often blamed collectively even when individuals convicted were not Jewish. That is where the stereotype comes from.

Fourth, the claim about political control or a unified agenda. Jewish populations are politically diverse across countries and communities. The fact that some Jews hold positions of influence does not prove a coordinated agenda any more than influential Catholics, Protestants, or secular people prove those groups run governments.

Fifth, the argument that ancient Hebrews were different from Jews today. Historically that is incorrect. Judaism developed directly from the religion and people of ancient Israel after the Second Temple period. The continuity is widely recognized in historical and archaeological scholarship.

Finally, the entire discussion started because you were mocking the idea that a Jew could believe Yeshua is the Messiah. The apostle Paul the Apostle was exactly that: a Jew who believed Yeshua is the Messiah and still identified as an Israelite.

Romans 11:1 (Amplified Bible) “I say then, has God rejected and disowned His people? Certainly not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.”

The Greek word Paul uses is Ἰσραηλίτης (Israēlitēs), meaning a member of Israel.

So the attempt to divide “Hebrews” from “Jews,” pile on medieval accusations, and then attach modern politics to it does not hold up historically or biblically.

Facts don't care dude. Just relax and deal. Lates.

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– harzkp813 1 point 16 hours ago +1 / -0

You are jumping between centuries, stereotypes, and modern politics and pretending it is one continuous argument. It is not.

EXACTLY. So that basically disproves your entire idea that j EVVs and J ews (Heb rews!) are the same.

First, the “Christkiller” accusation. The New Testament itself does not support blaming an entire people.

Know what a "Representative" is? Also I don't blame a people, that is a strawman the edj EVVcation system drilled into the weakmind g0ybrains.

Yeshua was executed by Roman authority under Pontius Pilate. Historically that is how crucifixion worked. Rome carried it out.

Who made Rome do it? It's not like there's a "clean side".

Second, the idea that Jews today secretly worship Baal or Molech.

It's not secret, it's known.

That accusation makes no sense when applied to Ju daism. Ju daism has been strictly monotheistic for thousands of years

You mean the OT kind, which isn't being practiced, to our knowledge. There is also no temple for sacrifices to be properly done.

and explicitly condemns those idols. The Heb rew Scriptures repeatedly condemn Molech worship as abomination.

And j EVVs after 70 A.D. do not follow them, to our knowledge.

Third, the coin clipping stereotype. That crime shows up in medieval Europe. Court records from England and other kingdoms show large numbers of Christians prosecuted for it. Yet entire Je vvish communities were often blamed collectively even when individuals convicted were not Je vvish. That is where the stereotype comes from.

Believed what jEVVs said about his ancestors award. "The people whose country bombed the USS Liberty and killed JFK are more trustworthy than everyone else! Leo frank dindu nuffin! Larry Loomer the trans person is the best influencer!"

Imagine undermining your own faith in support of people who view you as g0yim (cattle). How many statues of WW1 and WW2 veterans are there in holocost museums? In Israel? What's UNreal's policy on blacks or indians marrying J evvs?

Fourth, the claim about political control or a unified agenda.

A depressingly large amount are in favor of it. The others don't care or are ignorant about it. This argument is no different from the "Not All Mozlems" argument.

J evvish populations are politically diverse across countries and communities.

Didn't say otherwise. Fact: More j EVVs voted for cameltoe HairyHas than Trump in 2024.

The fact that some J evvs hold positions of influence does not prove a coordinated agenda any more than influential Catholics, Protestants, or secular people prove those groups run governments.

Then how come all Western countries at some point want to suicide via woke policy and mass migration?

Fifth, the argument that ancient He brews were different from Je vvs today. Historically that is incorrect. Juda ism developed directly from the religion and people of ancient Is real after the Second Temple period.

It was in effect from when people offered sacrifices and observed 613 laws to after Jesus rose.

With all the horrendous outcomes that influential jEVVs produce, how can you possibly believe they are Heb rews?

The continuity is widely recognized in historical and archaeological scholarship.

If that was true we would be taught that instead of Swindler's Li(e)st and literal Hollywood propaganda.

Finally, the entire discussion started because you were mocking

Ah, because questioning a number is mocking.

the idea that a J evv could believe Yeshua is the Messiah.

Then he would be a Christian. Or do you mean racially?

The apostle Paul the Apostle was exactly that: a J evv

Hebrew by lineage?

So the attempt to divide “Hebrews” from “Je vvs,” pile on

A ton of facts, yeah. Like

medieval accusations,

Like how j eVVs accuse g0ys of a bunch of things, one alltime favorite being "anti SHEMite"?

and then attach modern politics to it does not hold up historically or Biblically.

Because the impostors that appeared later also didn't exist.

Facts don't care dude.

Correct.

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– Agent_86 1 point 14 hours ago +1 / -0

You are throwing a pile of accusations from completely different centuries and calling it “facts.” That is not how history works.

You claim Jews after 70 AD are impostors and not connected to the ancient Hebrews. Yet the apostle Paul the Apostle was already dealing with Jewish communities before 70 AD in places like Rome, Corinth, and Ephesus. The same people you are trying to separate are the very communities the New Testament is talking about.

And the idea that Jews secretly worship Baal or Molech today is pure assertion. Judaism has condemned those idols for thousands of years. That accusation only works if you ignore what Jewish texts and practices actually say.

Your coin clipping example also collapses the moment you look at the records. Medieval courts prosecuted large numbers of Christians for that crime. Yet entire Jewish communities were blamed collectively because they were convenient scapegoats. That is exactly how stereotypes get created.

Then you jump from medieval accusations to modern politics and try to weld it all together into one narrative. That is not evidence. It is just connecting unrelated grievances across centuries.

The irony is that the New Testament itself warns Gentiles not to go down this road.

Romans 11:17–18 (Amplified Bible) “But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive [shoot], were grafted in among them… do not boast against the branches… it is not you who supports the root, but the root that supports you.”

Paul’s point is simple. Gentiles are grafted in. Israel is the root. And Gentiles are warned not to boast against the natural branches.

So calling centuries of disconnected accusations “facts” does not make them historical or biblical. It just shows you are stitching together grievances instead of dealing with what the texts actually say.

I do wish you knew what you were talking about. It would make this conversation much more interesting.

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– harzkp813 1 point 6 hours ago +1 / -0

completely different centuries

Almost as if truth stays the same. Huh.

pile of accusations

Like what many jEWs do?

you claim Jews after 70 AD are impostors and not connected to the ancient Hebrews. Yet the apostle Paul the Apostle was already dealing with Jewish communities before 70 AD in places like Rome, Corinth, and Ephesus.

Before 70 AD. So you're just reinforcing my point.

The same people you are trying to separate are the very communities the New Testament is talking about.

How so?

And the idea that Jews secretly worship Baal or Molech today is pure assertion.

A baal statjEW was burnt and ((they)) screechkvetched over it! They basically blew their kippahs off XD Kek!

Judaism has condemned those idols for thousands of years.

The type in the Bible. Since when has chab*d or AIPAC ever spoken out against those?

That accusation only works if you ignore what Jewish texts and practices actually say.

Okay, what do they say?

Your coin clipping example also collapses the moment you look at the records. Medieval courts prosecuted large numbers of Christians for that crime.

https://media.scored.co/scale/i74zza7J7fFfnrH5.jpeg

Yet entire Jewish communities were blamed collectively because they were convenient scapegoats.

Unfortunately mistakes do happen and nuance can get lost amongst the drama.

That is exactly how stereotypes get created.

So why would they blame Juce and not someone else?

Then you jump from medieval accusations to modern politics

Oh but medieval accusations against muslims and modern politics are relateable. What's good for the goose...

and try to weld it all together into one narrative. That is not evidence. It is just connecting unrelated grievances across centuries.

That's like saying islamic jihad isn't related to muslims.

The irony is that the New Testament itself warns Gentiles not to go down this road.

According to the Bible we should expose evil. Why do I not see any of the usual pro-jEW guys point out anything negative jEWs do?

Romans 11:17–18 (Amplified Bible) “But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive [shoot], were grafted in among them… do not boast against the branches… it is not you who supports the root, but the root that supports you.”

I touched on this one too. Also boasting implies pride. Who is doing boasting?

The West and Whites have dumped infinity help on the New jEWs, yet their countries are flooded with so much evil. Gay, trans, mass migration, a garbage economy, worse health, etc. Almost as if giving them MATERIALISTIC possessions is the wrong way to view those verses.

So calling centuries of disconnected accusations “facts” does not make them historical or biblical. It just shows you are stitching together grievances instead of dealing with what the texts actually say.

"So calling decades of accusations against communists "facts" does not make them historical or biblical. It just shows you are stitching together grievances against them instead. "

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