Templar crosses. An expression of papal loyalty.
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Okay, I randomly replied to u/Agent_86. (Using "u/" informs him where we're talking about him.)
Since you're new, I'll give you credit for not searching "Lifeway survey that suggests 1 million Jews accept Jesus as Messiah", which immediately returned the result. Note of course this is racially Jewish rather than halakhically Jewish. We do like to encourage everyone to do their own searches here when "not seeing any evidence".
You think I'm new? lol ok. The number of Messianic Jews has reached about 1 million world wide yes.
If they’re jews, they’re not messianic. If they’re messianic, they’re not jews.
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“If they’re Jews, they’re not messianic. If they’re messianic, they’re not Jews.”
Then sir, you need to explain why the apostle Paul the Apostle says the exact opposite.
In Romans 11:1 (Amplified Bible) “I say then, has God rejected and disowned His people? Certainly not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.”
Paul believed in Yeshua and still identified himself as a Jew. The Greek word he uses is Ἰσραηλίτης (Israēlitēs), meaning a member of the people of Israel. So the rule you just invented collapses immediately.
And Paul goes even further in the same chapter when he addresses Gentiles who start thinking they replaced Israel.
Romans 11:17–18 (Amplified Bible) “But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive [shoot], were grafted in among them to share in the rich root of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. If you do boast, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root that supports you.”
The Greek word for root is ῥίζα (rhiza), meaning the source or origin. Very important.
Paul’s point is simple. The Gentile believer is the wild branch grafted in. The root is Israel. The branch does not replace the root and it certainly does not define it.
So the idea that a Jew stops being a Jew the moment he believes Yeshua is the Messiah is the exact opposite of what Paul teaches. And the moment Gentiles start boasting against the natural branches, Paul says you have already forgotten your place. See?
The root supports the Gentile sir, not the other way around. Have a good day.
Thanks for the quote that doesn’t refute what I say, nor show he said the opposite.
Any jew that accepts the messiah is a Christian. Any jew that does not is a jew. If this is difficult for you to comprehend, you cannot speak on matters of Christianity.
They are not all of Israel who are of Israel.
Oh, cool; you’re using the fake name. Thanks for outing yourself.
No. It’s not. It’s not even remotely relevant to what he said. You seem to have no idea what you’re saying. Acceptance of Christ is the subsumption of previous allegiances and identities into that of the Christian. Christ Himself said so.
I see that it’s irrelevant to the discussion.
The ancient Hebrews all became Christians centuries ago. Today all we have left is the jew. And they are damned for all eternity.
Read the Bible for once.
Did Paul believe in the talmud? Did Paul abuse chickens? Did he clip coins? Did he bow to moloch and baal? Did he wear the star of "david"? Did he cry victim all the time? Did he want mass immigration and LGTBBQ and trans and pron? Did he push miscegnation? Was he pro-usury?