We have a round table tie! Thanks everyone that contributed.
u/Plemethrock
We can talk and analyze all the evidence for how Covid was planned.
I made a thread asking if anybody had made and could send a post or documentary about how it was a plandemic, but nobody was able to point me to one. I’m guessing we can now make a post about it that we can reference in the future.
u/AnotherInTheFire
What would you do if you met an extraterrestrial. I mean, if you really consider it? I would start to say the Lord's prayer to see their reaction. yep. perfect.
u/SonofNeo
What if Jesus was an extraterrestrial that came to earth to change the course of us humans?
https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/1ASFcrWvOj/round-table-suggestion-thread/c
The Alien Identity Problem - Who's Who
One of the problems of trying to sort out which alien is from where and exactly what they are doing here is the profusion of descriptions and cases. Other information comes to us through channelling, which is also a valid source of data. If you don't agree, that’s OK - you don't have to. We have enough corroboration and interrelationships between data to form a small body of data about who these folks are, what types of folks we're dealing with, why they're here, and what they may want. Without further discussion, here is an overview:
Sources of Alien Presence
A. The Physical Universe, This Dimension
B. This Physical Universe, a Parallel Dimension
C. Another Universe, Another Time and/ or Another Dimension
Now, it is well known that many of these beings who come here come in mechanical contrivances that may or may not do one or more of the following:
With all this in mind, I will now relate these factors with more specificity:
Sources
We know, absolutely, that all these factors have a part to play in it, and it is also known that many of the alien groups have stealth-type technology or the ability to cloak themselves within our space. The whole point it that there a profusion of life all around, and just because the empirical materialist armchair philosopher can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there. With the problem having this large a scope, it is no wonder that the level of confusion among researchers is rather high.
One interesting revelation that has come to light recently is that the race known as the Greys have apparently several kinds of species, either by virtue of genetic breeding or cloning. We have learned of another factor which further serves to complicate the problem of sorting it out - some of the species of that race come from different time-tacks. The group known loosely as the Zeta Reticulans, the ones with the big wrap-around eyes, have a point of origin in our physical future. Here I am referring to the Essessani, which have arrived 300 years in our linear future, telling us that are the product of the cross-breeding between the Zeta Reticulans and Homo Sapiens.
Rationale for Interaction
The following is a list of the potential reasons that alien entities may visit our planet:
Motivation for interaction
There are only two general categories, holistically, why interaction takes place:
Generally speaking, if the whole motivation is based on either of the above, then one could safely say that for those who (1) as their motivation the probably have negative influences wherever they go. They would not advanced tot he point where they would realize the if their motivation was (2) that (1) would be taken care of anyway.
If it were all understood too soon, many would crumble under the weight of the truth. This earth is covered with windows into those other unseen worlds, If we had the instruments to detect them, we would find that these windows are the focal points for super high frequency waves - the "rays" of ancient lore. These rays might come from Orion or the Pleiades as the ancients claimed, or they might be part of the Universal Intelligent Matrix that emanates throughout all reality systems and dimensions. We have the evidence that such rays exist. Now we are being told why...
Source:
Valdamar, Valerian. The Matrix Understanding Aspects of Covert Interaction With Alien Culture, Technology and Planetary Power Structures. Leading Edge, 1988.
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I've uploaded some pictures from Valerian Valdamar's Matrix III book to c/Aliens
https://scored.co/c/aliens
Good start on analysis. First note that people don't use the word "dimension" rightly: here are the known dimensions and, to be technical, both we and the aliens are in all 10-12 core dimensions at once, in the same ways. We manipulate the higher dimensions in similar ways as they do.
I cannot accept this on the evidence. They experience time's arrow as we do, and we can manipulate perpendicular temporal dimensions as they do. I don't believe the phenomenon envisioned is space-folding as that would be testable with telescopic evidence. I don't believe "upper density" is the proper term either because if it literally refers to denseness in a dimension higher than the fourth then we experience that too (whenever we feel distant from ourselves). And I certainly wouldn't give ET credit for total freewill manipulation of spacetime above our own ability; those who live longer have more experience, yes, but time and mass and energy follow simple math, and consciousness is manipulable by ordinary humans so much so that ET manipulation of consciousness might well give the appearance of being totally conformed to their will when the reality is just the same stagecraft as humans use. What is clear is that ETs are exceptionally interested in learning about the physical realm, and in particular in reverse-engineering our DNA; and their total ignorance and clumsy experimentation with that quest reveals their actual incompetences.
I'm not confident that specifying the means or source of the travel is a significant point. Much more important is that one or more races of ETs are unaccountably fixated on our solar system. I believe that a major hub for this activity is Sagittarius A* but what's important is their appearance here following certain predictable paths and arcs, rather than their hangouts when not appearing here.
I don't know the details yet. Accepting arguendo that there are multiple sentient species or races of ETs, that would imply that each species has a phenotypical encoding just as Linnean species do in DNA. Since ET "bodies" have the oft-witnessed characteristic of appearing either as mass or as energy, with free transfer between (comparable to human testimonies of dematerialization or translation), we would speculate that the mass is DNA-based and the energy is also code-structured in the same way data is transmitted by light. So I wouldn't have a problem with different ETs having different energy code structures, which would manifest as different species. But I wouldn't take their word for it as to their links to other times, because those can be tested scientifically just like human claims of time travel (which have always [checks watch] been proven false by inaccurate reports since official disclosure on time travel hasn't completed yet).
What we do know is that there are no missing links, there are only complete quantum phenotypes without transitions between. (ETs will certainly have subspecies with different appearances arising from the same phenotype, just as not all dogs look alike.) For that reason you can't be a hybrid between H. sapiens and a different DNA barcode. You could be a chimera of both but then you'd have two DNA prototypes within you, which is very hard to do and usually fails when done by ETs. Now I propose that the electronic code could engage a quantum leap from one phenotype to another, which is the shape-shifting attributed often to reptilians, but in that idea the reptilian form would be a reptilian appearance and no human, and the human form would be a human appearance and no reptilian, and the ET would not be a hybrid but an energy form with a natural phenotype and an adaptive phenotype. I would be inclined to treat the ET according to the natural species rather than the adaptive because the natural is the one the ET came into being as.
Sounds good, except for crossbreeding, which here refers to an imaginative renarration by Darwin of something never observed. You can only crossbreed between identical code phenotypes; to change phenotypes you need a chimera or an adaptation, as stated. Nothing is halfway between dog and cat, with all characteristics partway between the two types; you can only have a chimera, like a half-cat half-dog, with any local characteristic being either all cat or all dog. However, ETs are interested in hijacking Darwinism to get us to think that things that don't exist do exist, because the confusion helps them. But their real work is in intrahuman breeding, chimerization, and shapeshifting, and so to call it "crossbreeding" is misleading. No narratives show that they can crossbreed cats with dogs, or anything similar.
And the synthesis is that these two harmonize. Just as service to others "takes care of" service to self, the reverse is also true as to enlightened self-interest. Selfishness is not service to self.
Thank you for your response. Crossbreeding as we know it might be very limited due to lack of understanding of how to manipulate DNA. The term hijacking Darwinism is an interesting one. In a way I believe we were first created and allowed to physically and mentally evolve and mutate after. Creation is the cause, and evolution is the effect. The Quantum Leap of one phenotype to another might not be fully understood by our limitations of technology. Or simply put, making a being of that nature might not be a moral choice, as it might cause a tremendous amount of suffering.
Comparably, what I think you are saying is that our and the ETs freewill is limited. Similar to a puppet on strings, or perhaps a soul piloting a human body. Limited by our senses, powers and environments.
Time's Arrow might not be a straight line, but rather us traveling around the circumference of circles in an infinite fractal of an Apollonian gasket model. Where each choice we make allows us to jump circles. Each circle represents a cycle that we currently are on a soul level, and on an earthly body level.
Thank you the link to your previous post. I will give it a read and get back to you. From my research Anti-gravity tech can't be released to the public because of it's time travel nature.
Images: Apollonian Gasket Image 1
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An Entity of Time Simulation
I appreciate you taking the time to re-educate me with your thorough responses.
In The Law of One (Ra Material), densities are seven progressive, vibrational stages of consciousness and physical manifestation through which all souls evolve, representing increasing levels of love, wisdom, and unity with the Creator. Evolution occurs through mastering lessons in each density: 1st (Awareness/Elements), 2nd (Growth/Life), 3rd (Self-Awareness/Choice), 4th (Love), 5th (Wisdom), 6th (Unity), and 7th (Gateway/Balance).
1st Density (Awareness): The level of elements—earth, water, fire, and air—where consciousness begins to wake up.
2nd Density (Growth): The level of biological life (plants, animals, simple organisms) focused on movement, growth, and the development of group awareness.
3rd Density (Choice): The current stage of human existence characterized by self-awareness and the conscious choice between serving others (positive) or self (negative).
4th Density (Love): The "density of love and understanding," often described as having a more refined "light body," where empathy and compassion are paramount.
5th Density (Wisdom): The "density of wisdom and light," where the lessons of love are deepened with wisdom, requiring a balance between the two.
6th Density (Unity): The level where love and wisdom are fully balanced, allowing for the formation of "social memory complexes" (group minds) like Ra.
7th Density (Gateway): The final stage before returning to the Creator, acting as a gateway to new, higher octaves of existence.
Key Concepts:
The Harvest: A transition period (occurring now) where souls graduate from one density to the next based on their vibrational frequency.
Wanderers: Higher-density beings (4th, 5th, 6th) who choose to incarnate in 3rd-density Earth to help increase its vibration.
Polarity: The choice between service to others (positive) or service to self (negative), which dictates the speed of evolution.
Density vs. Dimension: "Density" refers to the vibrational, energetic state of consciousness, whereas "dimension" typically refers to physical space-time geometry.
See, Graph, what I said. "Density" is a word stolen from physics to mean something else, and in this definition it is identical to how others use sefirah and aeon, and in fact persona. It's just an enumerated list of core concepts that have a rough order but are all just feelgood touchstones. "Wisdom" (hochma, sophia) is already a sefirah and an aeon both, for instance. The "octave" (ogdoad, 7/12) concept is also shared among them all.
I could simply declare myself to be a seventh- or higher-"density" being who is busy increasing earth vibes and nobody could gainsay me. I am, you know.
If I pretended that "density" referred to a fullness as opposed to an emptiness, and stated that one could have greater or lesser matter per space, that great lovers are "denser", there'd be some justification, but nobody talks that way. If I substituted mass, for instance, oh, I'm a 6th-mass being in a 3rd-mass earth, you see how ridiculous it sounds. If we said "degree" or "grade" that's how people talk. (Mental note: ridicule Masons by deliberately confusing "degrees" with elementary "grades".) In atoms, which do have seven successive orbits, we might speak of uranium being a 7th-orbit element, because orbits are progressive but densities are discrete measurements. If the paradigm were (insanely) that the progression is so strict that one "density" must become sufficiently fully dense before a person can progress to the next, then you might argue that one leads to another and, oh, I've mastered 5 densities and am getting dense in the 6th. But I'm pretty confident that's not the system. Nobody says it's impossible to have any wisdom until you've mastered all love.
So, thanks for the opportunity for me to rant at yet another abuse of language, probably worse than the abuse of the word "dimension". What they really mean is just kabbalah but they're disguising it by using a vague word "density" that has no real application. A big mark of really bad theology is the inability to use words precisely.
You've also got that self-other failure going in the AI's source: true self-service is rightly called enlightened self-interest and is the same as true other-service. Further, there's the strong vibe of narrative control, namely a responsiveness to Christian revelation by trying to craft a narrative that distract people, when seeing the Christian revelation literally unfold, into thinking something else is happening (self-directed control rather than self-other balanced control).
Last year I looked into a couple Christian mystics. They too love to speak of progressive itineraries of numbered steps. So do name-it claim-it proponents of The Secret. Every time, the enumeration is just something somebody made up in school one day. Every time, Graph. Most such lists can be defended with great rationalization; in that sense they're all perfect and in fact none contradict each other. At the same time, that perfection arises from them all being so vague that little distinction is being made, little teaching is transpiring even though words and knowledge are flowing. So in one sense such lists are "mostly harmless", but in another sense they're just so wasteful that direct statement is more helpful in progressing the individual.
Now, I'll level with you, while typing this I should not neglect my own recent post on dimensions. There are similarities and differences. A big difference is that I'm earnestly synthesizing several subthemes into one theory in the same way that elements have a periodic table, and I noted a few alignments that suggest that further physical and mathematical discoveries might follow an orderly progression; that's scientific speculation and not dogma. A similarity is that I did make use of an implicative passage in Proverbs to supply a few names and concepts, which could be charged as arbitrary. Well, if people get cultic about my idea, contrary to my intent, and become dogmatic that it must be the only core truth because that's how I wrote it, then it would become what I warn against. But when I see something like Ra Material, it's clear that people are just using a comfy narrative to sell stuff and to propagate ideas that make people feel good. And the motive is never, hey, join in the quest for truth and improve what we have (which is scientific method); the motive is always, memorize our slop better than we do, climb faster and higher over others who are doing the same, just for the status that those under you will accord you, until we release next year's slop. Perhaps you post this with some distance, as you often do, and you put it out merely for my rant; I'll give you full credit if that's the case. But to you I would say, don't waste time learning the counterfeits when we have the real accessible anytime, closer than we think because we trained ourselves to ignore it, truer than we can hope because it's greater than all shadows.
Sure, which is why
According to the Law of One (also known as the Ra Material, channeled by Carla Rueckert with Don Elkins and Jim McCarty), entities who follow the path of Service to Self (STS) ultimately face a fundamental limitation in their spiritual evolution.
Here’s how it’s described within the Law of One framework:
1. They Progress — But Through Control and Separation
Service-to-self entities can evolve spiritually just like service-to-others (STO) entities. However, their path is based on:
To “graduate” from third density on the STS path, an entity must be at least 95% service to self, which is considered extremely polarized and difficult to achieve.
2. They Advance Through the Negative Densities
STS entities can continue evolving through:
However, something significant happens later.
3. They Eventually Reach a Dead End
In 6th density, according to Ra, unity becomes unavoidable. The realization dawns that:
At this stage, the negative path becomes unsustainable because higher evolution requires integration and unity consciousness. Pure separation cannot continue indefinitely in a universe whose fundamental nature is unity.
4. They Must Eventually Switch Polarity
Ra states that all service-to-self entities eventually reverse polarity and embrace the service-to-others path.
This is not described as punishment, but as an inevitable consequence of reality being fundamentally One. Even the most negatively polarized beings ultimately return to unity.
5. The Final Outcome
In the Law of One cosmology:
Even the most negatively oriented entities are seen as playing a role in the Creator knowing itself.
In Summary
According to the Law of One:
If you'd like, I can also explain how the Law of One compares this idea to traditional religious concepts like hell or damnation.
u/#ConspiracyTime
Searching the web using date filters: Jan 1 1990 - Sept 1 2019
The earliest known cases were identified in mid-November 2002 in the Guangdong Province of South-East China. Retrospective analysis revealed severe cases of the disease in 5 cities around Guangzhou over a period of 2 months, with many of the cases having had epidemiological links to the live-animal market trade.
Lab Hazaards:
The first case occurred in Singapore in September 2003 when a 27 year old graduate student contracted SARS while working with West Nile virus in a culture laboratory where SARS-CoV was being maintained.
The second case occurred in December 2003 in Taiwan when a 44 year old researcher contracted the disease while testing herbal remedies against SARS-CoV.
The third and fourth cases occurred in China in late-March to mid-April 2004 when 2 CDC workers developed SARS after improperly inactivating a batch of SARS virus in the laboratory.
By the end of July 2003, SARS had spread to affect a reported 8,098 people in over 30 countries, across 5 continents, killing 774 people.
Animal Hosts:
Horseshoe bats
Himalayan Palm Civets
Racoon dogs
Chinese ferret badgers
Pigs
Cats
Many countries in Asia have poor hygienic conditions, open air markets, and eat animals that probably shouldn't be consumed. Like eating an Armadillo and wondering how you got Leprosy.
My Opinion:
C0vid was a planned control experiment.
Will the people turn on each other if given the right motivation? Yes. Most would.
Can we make people so afraid of each other that they turn to the Government for a solution? Yes.
Can we isolate the people to their homes, create distrust in families and communities? Yes.
Can we artificially inflate death toll numbers with other deaths unrelated to C0vid? Of course!
Can we control the population with a recycled, repetitive statement. Yes, "two weeks later to stop the..."
Can we learn from factions of the population who rebelled, or refused to go with the narrative, nor take the vaccine, who didn't stay Isolated, nor feared their neighbor and kin? Sure can.
Now that we see the weaknesses of that period can we improve upon it so next time we can maintain absolute control? Certainly.
Maybe it's the oldest distraction in the book, as it's been done before. "Look over there while we do something sinister here"
In WW2: Look at Germany killing all those people, ignore our Japanese POW camps and the Nuclear bombs we dropped on Japan, which not only killed people, but left genetic mutations for the next generations.
Look at Iraq and their Weapons of Mass Destruction, ignore the depleted Uranium we are using and the effect it has on the genetics of that population.
Look at the Chinese Bio Labs, ignore the ones that are being funded in Ukraine.
Look at Russia invading Ukraine ignore what we did in Venezuela, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
Love the Pharmaceutical companies that gave us mRNA vaccines, that did not go through proper clinical trials, ignore their legal immunity, gain of function and the profits they made.
Look at the growing number of sick and unhealthy people ignore what we put in the air, soil, water and food supplies.
I digress.
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Excellent analysis. Readers will remember that SARS 1 was pretty deadly, like MERS, but SARS 2 was just what Ron Paul rightly dismissed ca. 2021-03 as "a flu virus". At the same time with a quick WP check I separately ascertained that SARS 2 behaved exactly like four other known coronaviruses that circulate freely among billions of people and produced only flulike symptoms. I was still very concerned but gradually realized that it was indeed just a flu virus (if even that). Very helpful was Moses's recommendation that if one is sick one should cover the lower half of one's face. Not if one is healthy.
A very accurate account and I dig it. Thanks for the report!
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uuum I vote for me! what is this thread?
You won! It was a tie so we're round tableing both suggestions.
oh cool lol I honestly don't have a lot else to say about it but am looking forward to other input
u/SonofNeo has read:
Valdamar, Valerian. The Matrix Understanding Aspects of Covert Interaction With Alien Culture, Technology and Planetary Power Structures. Leading Edge, 1988.
https://www.scribd.com/document/7048910/Valdamar-Valerian-s-the-Matrix
https://awakeningmap.org/more/Akashic%20Drive/Matrix%20%20I%20Thru%20V/
(Vast interconnectedness of all things bump.)
Mental note: I should start by compiling my slight published research on BLT mice into a fresh post and link it from here.
BLT mice were loaded with the bonemarrow, livers, and thymuses of aborted babies in the Obama admin (research ended by Trump).
BLT mice were absolutely part of the gain-of-function research on how injections would modify human DNA.
We should also link all significant 1/30 Epstein clues on earlier planning by the cabal.
There were significant foreknowledge hints (not just the Event) before a new Chinese virus was announced. Israel knew.
Today we were discussing 500 million as calculated by the Guidestones. The Deluge taught the cabal they couldn't go too high.
The ultimate purpose is counterfeit afterlife control, based on the false hope of present "control" via genocidal manipulation.
When this motive is overlaid, the connection to extraterrestrials is obvious. They offer the counterfeits.
(I exclude angels of the actual Creator, discernible by their humbly acknowledging Him. The rest I speak only of the fakes.)
No fake can be greater than the real, so everything offered by ET is nothing that humans don't already have.
ETs are found in every culture but evidence shows they know where national boundaries exist despite their being invisible.
Evidence also shows there is exactly one group unaffected by ETs, core Christians. Ufologists of several backgrounds agree.
Collective memory of exorcism ritual preserves keys to ETs. If they reject the name of Jesus in your language, they're evil.
Some claim vibing with "Jesus". If they can't vibe with what Jesus's body is doing their every alternative proposal is phony.
Jesus was both ET and fully human. Better than the Nephilim, because they are the counterfeit of what God revealed about Jesus.
Jesus changes individual trajectories indeed, though the course of humanity is laid out (predestination and freewill both exist).
The person meeting ET with anything other than trusting the Creator revealed by Jesus is ripe for destruction. Documented.
Are priests, pastors and ministers not the counterfeits? The only way to God is through the written word of man through the bible, or the spoken word of another fellow Man? The Apocrypha has passages of the earth being described as flat, which has been removed from the modern translation and copies of the bible.
Perhaps Christianity, Catholicism is one of the older pyramid schemes, where they promise an eternal life of salvation in the future, for the obedience and blind faith now. "God loves a generous giver (to our church)".
The church is in all of us with our private connection to the creator. After all we are supposed to pray in private. If God is all loving, and Jesus teaches us to forgive, why is Idolatry forbidden? Wrath is a Sin unless it comes from God. Envy is a Sin unless it comes from God.
Which God did Buddha meet? The God that created humans, or the God that created life itself?
You mean Arch Angels? or do you mean The Seraphim, Cherubim, and Ophanim?
sources please.
I don't understand "collective memory of exorcism ritual preserves keys to ETs." Explain.
Islam says something similar about rejecting their prophet.
On the cross (Catholics) or off the Cross (Christians) Or perhaps vibing to Mary, Mother of Jesus instead (Worshiping Mary, ie a rosary could be seen as Idolatry)
Jesus set humanity on a higher conscious path. although, predestinations (plural) and freewill. I don't think you can have just one predestination if everyone has freewill.
The creator of Man, or the creator of the Universe and all life?
I'm not sure if you are a fan of Stark Trek TNG, but there are many episodes where other races see advanced technology as Godly, or divine. Even in some cases worship the beings. The crew experienced this themselves with the Q and Continuum.
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Some of them.
Never said that. Both those are tested by the same spirit that also receives external revelation.
Haven't heard that, I've only heard it from the Mathews translation of the protocanon. But flat earth doesn't help us much with aliens. I'm not a flat earther but my alt is, so I'd be happy to entertain any testable math about earth or space.
Um, idolatry is giving God's due to someone else, it's self-destructive because it distorts the view of both God and the replacement. God is so loving that he leaves us the free choice to reject him despite its self-destructiveness due to its irrationality.
That's because those words are used for both good and evil uses of the functions, like many amoral things.
You can't create humans without being the one who created life. They are one. If Buddha didn't reject the gift of salvation from illusion (I don't have evidence that he did), he met that one creator.
Those are all categories of angels of the Creator; there are nine or ten accepted categories: Seraph, Cherub, Throne, Dominion, Virtue, Power, Principality, Archangel, Angel, Guardian (the last two may be joined). Ophanim are likely to be one of the above taking on an inanimate but eyed appearance; possibly just "Thrones" because they are appurtenances of the Throne. It's also possible Ophanim are not strictly angels but divine energies.
Alien Encounters by Missler and Eastman, which cites a couple others, like Vallee; a similar pattern with NDEs is observed by Moody, Life After Life, and Burke, Imagine Heaven. Search will turn up more I've forgotten.
Humans have stored the answer to how to interact with ETs in societal narratives that serve as collective memory, a key one of which is exorcism and its rituals and regulations. Exorcism focuses on the protective side rather than the exploratory side, such as kabbalists use.
We talked about that last week. Freewill is limited so I can't perfectly predestine a whole universe, but I can predestine a sufficient segment of this universe. The Creator has unlimited freewill and thereby predestines the whole universe in such way that we all get sufficient limited freewill within the unlimited freewill.
Very interesting. Thank you for taking the time to write such informative answers.
I appreciate the sources, and explaining what you meant by "collective memory of exorcism ritual preserves keys to ETs"
u/Plemethrock
These are some things I read: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0755498223000040
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8490979/
https://www.science.org/content/article/house-panel-concludes-covid-19-pandemic-came-lab-leak
From what I remember people were split between the virus not being isolated and then also it being and engineered virus to push the mrna genetic engineering shots.