So, I do read classics from time to time and recently have started to notice how awfully lot of them were freemasons.
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Bram Stoker, author of Dracula - Buckingham and Chandos Lodge No. 1150.
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Mark Twain, author of Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn and many more - Grand Lodge of Ohio.
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Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, author of those cozy Sherlock Holmes mysteries - Phoenix Lodge No. 257 in Southsea.
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Rudyard Kipling, author of The Jungle Book - Hope and Perseverance Lodge, No. 782, in Lahore.
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Sir Walter Scott, author of numerous historical novels, including Ivanhoe, Rob Roy and many more - Lodge St David, No. 36 in Edinburgh.
You get the idea. A lot of classic authors were freemasons. Now, even if we discount all the theories about masonry etc, it's still a lot. No, really! Why almost all of our historical, adventure and other classics were written by freemasons? Would those books even be considered classics, if not for the mason membership of those authors? Hell, maybe those books were written with a specific purpose and were made into "famous" classics deliberately, precisely because of freemasonry of their respective authors?
Back then book reading was kind of like Hollywood and Netflix of today and we all know how much propaganda and ridiculous lies are in movies these days... So, seems to me a lot of our history and general worldview might have been created deliberately... and we might be living in an essentially manufactured world, where everything we think we know, might actually be not what it seems to be...
So, what are your thoughts? Does anyone know any more famous freemasons?
George Wahington was also a freemason, so I would not judge by this. Question is, got they subversed by the Jesuites?
I personally believe Shakespeare's true pen was Francis bacon and his culty buds.
Yes, could be you're right. Fake writers is a whole another subject. For example, was Harry Potter really written by Rowling? I have my doubts. Also, the way it got popular doesn't quite seem organic. Most probably it was made popular, not became it.
In "War and Peace" Pierre Bezukhov joins the Freemasons and Tolstoy describes it as a Christian secret society. Bezukhov joins to try and reform society and seek some influence. Ultimately his projects fail because he loses interest in them.
Tolstoy knows a lot about Freemasonry but there is no evidence other than that he was ever a mason.
It's not a central theme of the book but used as a vehicle for Bezukhov's character development.
Someone I just learned about, because some youth were trying to recruit me, is that Joseph Smith of "The Church of Latter Day Saints" is a Freemason. No wonder they own so much land.
Because freemasonry used to be where culture was discussed and evolved the most in society.
There's a reason the usual suspects targeted those circles the most
Probably wasn't so bad mid 1800 yet in the suburban circles.
Probably. Actually my consolation while reading those classics is that probably back then masonry wasn't so bad as it is today and also the possibility that the really nasty shit starts only on higher levels. So, many of those authors might have been well meaning and honest. They just didn't know the whole picture and didn't foresee how it'll all turn out.
Yes, it's a fishing pool for psychopaths or to corrupt people into becoming one.
But back then it was probably just a higher culture club. Even today the low branches are mostly about socializing and golfing for well off people.
See Manly Hall for an author you missed who wasn't a mason but became one after attracting their interests as he revealed stuff they didn't know at the time. He was a truly honest mind imo.
a) Mason/mag - "to knead; fashion; fit"...a writer kneads, a reader is FREE to read.
b) Suggested information implies brick; ones consent implies mortar...a mason of free will utilizes these to build walls of ignorance within others.
c) Words are shaped by LETTERS, yet only if one LETS another shape words onto which meaning is added.
d) Ones consent AUTHORIZES the suggested information by another aka ones choice selects chosen ones offer.
information does not imply brick
a) Inspiration cannot be held onto....
b) Information requires ones consent to hold onto it, hence "bricking" ones memory with a burden.
c) Brick/break implies something set apart...flow (inception towards death) sets form (life) apart from one another. Few "inform" many by tempting consent and suggestion together within a contract aka religion (Latin religio; to bind anew).
d) "not" implies suggested nihilism (Latin nihilo; nothing)...consenting to it tempts one to de-nial everything perceivable.
In short...nothing implies suggested information; everything implies perceivable inspiration.
e) IN (being within) FORM (formed by) ATION (action) + IN (being within) SPIRIT (breathing within) ATION (action).
f) Holding onto information makes adapting to inspiration harder...
Also why are CD's circular? It's media to keep you distracted from inspiration, I'm sure it could have been a different shape than a disc and still function. Yet they made it circular, as it keeps the consumers within conflicts of reason and circular logic. Maybe I'm wrong but I say it is no coincidence that CDs are shaped how they are, it is an esoteric reference for the initiated. There are no coincidences
Empty center; noisy circumference; squaring the circle ( https://img.gvid.tv/i/2iCTP8nZ.jpg) while cutting corners.
a) Being implies center (perception) filled by silent circumference (perceivable), hence sound flowing silently through formed instruments.
b) Ignoring perceivable for suggested implies... https://genius.com/Simon-and-garfunkel-the-sound-of-silence-lyrics
c) Being implies in-between left/right + front/back + up/down aka within a cube, while wielding an angular perspective within perceivable. Reasoning about suggested aka circular logic "cuts the corners", hence permitting others to utilize compass and square to manipulate circles and angles.
d) COM (together; with) PACT/PAG (to fasten) DISC/DIKEIN (to throw)...nature throws (inception towards death) apart (life); few within tempt many together with a pact (consent to suggested) to fasten the partials back to whole.
So the jew plan of universalism is just like neon Genesis evangeleon... And like the kabbalah. Restore God by piecing back together all of the fragments to make one vessel. Satanic and I hate it. Fuck tikkun olam
a) There's only one plan/plane (inception towards death)...no matter how (NGS; Kabbalah etc.) those living within describe it to each other.
b) NEON (neo; new) GENESIS (generate; produce) EVANGEL (gospel aka good spell) ION (action).
Action generates reactions internally...few suggest creationism (new) as gospel to tempt many to ignore being partial within whole.
c) Kabbalah/qabbalah - "reception" aka recipere - "to hold; contain". To receive (suggested) tempts one to ignore given (perceivable)...which cannot be held onto.
The consent of many implies the reception (kabbalah) of few. Ones consenting choice establishes a chosen ones stranglehold.
Applying self discernment to this implies RE (ones response) STORE (to hold onto) GOD (all). All moves each one and cannot be held onto.
Few trick many to ignore god (perceivable), thereby establishing wholesale (ones ignorance of perceivable) for retail (ones consent to suggested). Meanwhile many are storing suggested information within memory, which few regulate as currency, while natural current expires whatever is stored.
Fuck/fuge - "joint"...that's why fuck is being added to everything to "heal the world by bringing together".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNVEQgXsBgs
The idea of flying saucers even come from Viktor Schauberg's experiments in Germany in the 40's. Wow this man was a treasure and was right about so much with our treatment of the environment. Our technology is opposed with nature and therefore inefficient, and our greed leads to cancers and all sorts of doom. Water goes through a life cycle and maturing process,and is a living organism of sorts.
Thanks for mentioning schauberger in one of your posts, now I'm reading all about him and his books. Live with inspiration rather than suggestions. Nature really can teach and so many people live their lives distant from nature and burdened by suggestions. I feel like you would like Depeche mode, they may be on the dark side and masonic but their lyrics hold much wisdom, and much of it has to do with what you teach. I own all their CDs up to playing the angel. Stripped comes to mind in particular as a song off of one of my favorite albums (black celebration), that talks about peeling back the layers of people's suggested personality. Stripped down to their true nature free of suggestions. Suggestions distract us from who we really are, and stifle the soul. So many of their songs are pertinent I think to what you talk about here.
Living WITHIN inspiration rather than holding suggested information WITHIN self.
Nature moves matter...matter adapting to motion implies learning to teach and teaching to learn. Matter consenting (student) to each other (teacher) corrupts that.
Schaubergers issues started when he tried to teach others what he learned to teach himself within nature.
Hence facing inwards, while reflecting upon the suggested burden held within. The issue with describing this is that WORDS are that suggested burden ones inscribes into self. Doing so makes perceivable sound seem distant...background noise.
Motion equalizes (inception towards death) differences (life)...few tempt many to respond "alike".
Aka Dispatched (inception towards death) Extension (life).
a) Choice can only exist in-between sides aka within balance...holding onto a side imbalances choice.
b) Light implies motion; dark implies matter casting shadows upon each other. In-between that operates momentum as the spectrum of visible light for each differentiated ray within.
The cover one tries to peel off is held within. A masons utilizes ones free will of choice to build a wall of ignorance within self by tempting one to consent to brick after brick of suggested information, hence cementing beliefs/opinions/definitions etc.
Those who try to peel back layers aka loosening bricks aka crumple the joints of masonry are facing both many fortifying that wall of ignorance from within and few holding their hands against the wailing wall, while filling the cracks/joints with wishes...these few also fertilize that wall by fucking it, hence German FUGE/fuck - "joint".
Here's the sleight of hand: The last name was originally spelled "Fucker"... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugger_family
That being said...both inception to life and life to death imply a "naked" transformation. The natural order implies that which STRIPS, while those struggling with the need to shelter within are being TEASED.
Sleight of hand: "It's always tease; tease; tease..." https://genius.com/The-clash-should-i-stay-or-should-i-go-lyrics
Free to resist (need) suggestion (want). There's no "free of" only free (choice) within dominance (balance)...and dominance (inception towards death) makes free (life) fall aka "falling domino" rhetoric.
Soul/sole aka "one and only"...all moves; each one within struggles with stifling (difficulty breathing), hence suffering through release.
Soul/sole aka all is one in energy...each different song was composed within same sound.
The issue with discerning this is that others suggest pertinent/pertain aka per (forwards) tenere (to hold), hence tempting one to hold onto the temporary formed song, while ignoring the flow of ongoing sound.
Unfortunately it was sad what ended up of Schauberger. The jews (soviets/USA) always go for destruction rather than flow with nature. We are doomed if we keep up destroying our forests and water and farmland with our asinine jewish sciences and practices against the wims of nature. Now his name and ideas and machines and theories are forgotten. And the Fugger family are definitely a jew crypto mega rich merchant family. No coincidences there with the name it all matches up with what you say.
no it doesn’t.
shut up!
There's the brick within self...de-nial (Latin nihilo; nothing)
A brick wall set within self as a line of defense against others coming in.
Ivan Hoe? Hmmm... Not only freemason, but also Russian shill. :)
Ontopic:
Wasn't Masonic lodges turned to kind of clubs for bored elite? Kind of LARP of the time with the goal to connect and influence different circles of elite, barely intersected in real life.
What about Rotary clubs? Quite popular thing, as far as I know.
Elite Golf clubs also used as a place of interaction of individuals from different elite circles.
Even if masonic rithuals really have some technical purpose, I see no problems do them in Golf clubs or even prvate fitness.
At least Mark Twain is good and interesting for me and I think deserve title of classic regardless of masonic membership.
It is more Jewish shit - to declare some Jewish dulls as classics and geniuses. Jews, being talentless in everything except chutzpa and usury, always do that.
As for Hollywood, I think it is much more Jewish thing than masonic.
Haha, good catch!
Well, yeah, probably, but wouldn't you agree that it is kind of strange that so much of our classics are written by members of one single particular bored gentlemen's club? So it just happened that so many talented classic authors coincidentally were freemasons without any reason whatsoever? Also, purely coincidentally those works and characters became globally recognized cultural icons such as Dracula, Holmes etc... Is it all just a coincidence? As I mentioned in my OP, even if we discount all mason related conspiracy theories, it is still strange as hell...
Yes, sure. One does not exclude the other. Even if it was coordinated and guided deliberately, it does not mean that there was no real talent behind it... I guess, it all boils down to the question, whether classics were created and made popular artificially or did it all happen without any delibarate guidance and were driven by popularity and talent alone?
Could be... I meant it as an example that book reading back then was just as much, if not more, influential as watching Hollywood and Netflix movies are today.
It depends on what you mean under "our classic". I see freemasons as a purely European phenomena. Masons seems to be a part of Western elite cultural and spiritual life, so there is no wonder that elite members participated in that thing. May be even other elite members forced others to join masonry, just like modern users of shitty social networks force their buddies who are not really interested in that shit to join.
The thing that forces me to not accept that masonic thing seriously is too wide spreading of it among Western elites. You can't have secret organisation when every second elite or around individual is in it. It is not a secret society anymore, it is more like political party or just yet another virtue signalling. Secret society could not be so widespread.
Of course masonry was used to influence elites and push narratives, but that doesn't make them something special. Not any different form modern political parties, really.
IDK, but in Russia, since Russian Empire time masonry is inseparable from jewry, and defautt term for that phenomena that once existed in Russian Empire until was prohibited and prosecuted was "judeo-masonry", not free-masonry or whatever. May be Jews was those who control narratives in masonry.
It does not look unbelievable, really. Jews being significant player in the West, does not have kind of official ways of influencing elite. Lobbying interests, if you want. So they create and made that masonry popular among elites and get what they want. Just like modern AIPAC/ADL in USA and NGOs and clubs controlled by them, including Hollywood and whatever writers associations that exists in USA. Same with Europe.
Of course not. It is a direct depiction of brain contents of elite and their leaders of that time.
Manufactured cultural codes could be presented with great talent too.
Even occasionally looking at commercial ads, you will find some of them are really great and obviously created by a talented person. There even was collections of best ads that was interesting to see. Well, today, seems that culture is nearly lost, but sometimes you still could find something decent.
I think that masonry, in whole, was more kind of political party of the time. May be there was some lodges with real secret and malicious shit, but hardly they had many members and expose their existence and membership. Like political party and deep state today. Pretty good method to hide real shit in the clear sight. "Yes, of course, I'm mason like many other celebrities - look, Mark Twain is a mason, so why shouldn't I be mason too?" And do shit in some really secret organisation. Even if some questions appear, then it is just "well, we just do our secret masonic things, you know, like Mark Twain and others". Perfect coverup and ability to manipulate influencers of the time if necessary.
Here you go: "Alexander Pushkin was Initiated in 1821 at Lodge Ovid, in Kischinev, Russia." That said, I agree with you that freemasonry is mostly a European thing. Was Pushkin a jew, mayhap?...
You could be right. To think about it, I do know of the term "judeo-masonry", but haven't given it much thought previously...
Which kind of brings us back to the original question: how much of our cultural codes have been manufactured and how much have occured naturally? Also, is being part of the elite a prerequisite to becoming famous? Can anyone at all become famous without being approved and vetted by the elite beforehand? Or is it just a one big club and if you're not part of it, you won't even get close to being famous or well known no matter how talented you are?
This reminded me of Pelevin's novel Generation P, haha. It has a lot of creative ad examples as well as ruminations on the structure of our society, consumerism, fake politics and more. A really recommended read, if you haven't read it already.
I've read somewhere that on some level masonic lodges really are just a bored gentlemen's clubs. That lower level masonic initiates are not getting any secrets revealed and nasty shit starts only at the higher levels. So you could be right about the perfect coverup. On the lower levels you have naive initiates, public masonic museums, some charity here and there, stuff like that... while the actual shit is happening away from the public eye hidden in plain sight.
Pushkin was 1/8 nigger. But it is stunning that you are not aware that Russia is a largest European country. :)
Masonry came from France into Russian Empire in the middle of 18 century.
Masonic shit in Russian Empire existed to the Aug 1 1822 when masonry and any similar "secret societies" was completely prohibited by Alexander I. So Pushkin was a mason for around a year. :) Later, in 1825 a failed coup attempt happened, some think that it was an attempt of retaliation to the throne for masonry prohibition, since many participants was ex-masons. Few friends of Pushkin was among arrested for the coup.
If you are interested, you could find a lot of interesting stuff about masonry in Russian literature of that time. Traditionally, Russians don't give any fuck to that masonic NDA and easily spread all masonic secrets. It is a fun reading, actually, but I'm not sure that it will be relevant to the Western masonry internals. F.e. often meetings of Russian mason lodges ended with booze-ups and sometimes brawls. :)
Also, famous Russian writers of that time, like Tatischev, Griboedov, Vyazemskiy (friend of Pushkin), Chadaev, Karamzin, Radischev and some other I don't recall was masons.
You know the answer. :) Pelevin is just a regular soviet engineer, he even nearly got PhD with thesis on trolleybus engine driver or something. Then USSR fell and he started to work for some publishing house (as engineer he was friendly with computers) and began to write his stories and novels. And no, he is not a mason. :)
Interesting that he was nominant for Nobel prize, but got nothing. May be because he was not in club. :)
And yes, he is without any doubt very talented. Last things are not as exciting as usual, but still good.
I read everything he write. :) Meanwhile he publish his books on his site in open access free of charge, after some time pass after publication. Extremely rare thing among modern popular authors. He even uploaded few things in English: http://pelevin.nov.ru/texts/ scroll to the end.
I don't know if it is available in English, but try to find his SciFi novel "Methuselah's Lamp, or The Last Battle of the Chekists and Masons". A lot of fun, pretty ontopic on that forum. "General Chutzpa of Federal Reserve", "Safe space", reptiloids and all that stuff. :)
I think it is a way all our clown world going. Political parties with deep state behind, WEF, UN, WHO,etc clowns with their public activity while somebody behind curtains create and push narratives and so on. Same with masons.
Haha, of course I know that Russia is a European country. I just assumed for some reason that you meant Western Europe. Like France, Germany and such...
Didn't know such details about Russian masonry. Interesting stuff. I've heard of Griboedov, but haven't read him...
Interesting detail. You might be right about him not being in the club.
No need for English. I read them in Russian ;) I'm from post-soviet country :) Anyway, yes, I've read Methuselah's Lamp. That was some while ago, but I remember liking it. It's probably not the best of his, but a good one nevertheless.
Almost all of his books are highly relevant to actual real world happenings. Take iPhuck 10, for example. Or SNUFF, for that matter... which almost seems like some kind of prophesy or something...
I like his more spiritual texts as well. Like Yellow Arrow and the Fuji novel.
All in all I'm too a constant reader of his stuff :)
Yes, I do not really believe that Tedros or Klaus are actually deciding anything. Most probably those are just figureheads, who do what they're told... just like everyone else... In short, it's a question of levels. Is the publicly visible layer (with all the presidents, heads of various agencies etc) the very top level or is there some level(s) above it? I think it's the latter.
Masonry came to Russian Empire from Western Europe, mostly from France and gain some popularity among Russian elite for a while. Russian aristocracy borrow a lot from the West. However, this borrowing was mostly superficial, like f.e. uniform of army was borrowed to some extent, but military strategy and tactics was homegrown. Same with masonry. It was not able to overcome deep orthodox background, so it mutated into specific Russian variant.
If you read Russian, and really interested in history of masonry, then you have access to large library of Russian literature about masonry. Again, I'm not sure it is strictly relevant for Western masonry, but it still could give some hints and clues. There is even some new book in two volumes, I didn't read yet, published in 2021 - "Системы и ритуалы российского масонства XVIII–XIX вв."
Yep, I can imagine cultural borrowing being only on superficial level, while deeper levels remain significantly different from the original meaning. That book seems interesting. I might look into it. Thanks.