So, I do read classics from time to time and recently have started to notice how awfully lot of them were freemasons.
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Bram Stoker, author of Dracula - Buckingham and Chandos Lodge No. 1150.
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Mark Twain, author of Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn and many more - Grand Lodge of Ohio.
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Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, author of those cozy Sherlock Holmes mysteries - Phoenix Lodge No. 257 in Southsea.
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Rudyard Kipling, author of The Jungle Book - Hope and Perseverance Lodge, No. 782, in Lahore.
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Sir Walter Scott, author of numerous historical novels, including Ivanhoe, Rob Roy and many more - Lodge St David, No. 36 in Edinburgh.
You get the idea. A lot of classic authors were freemasons. Now, even if we discount all the theories about masonry etc, it's still a lot. No, really! Why almost all of our historical, adventure and other classics were written by freemasons? Would those books even be considered classics, if not for the mason membership of those authors? Hell, maybe those books were written with a specific purpose and were made into "famous" classics deliberately, precisely because of freemasonry of their respective authors?
Back then book reading was kind of like Hollywood and Netflix of today and we all know how much propaganda and ridiculous lies are in movies these days... So, seems to me a lot of our history and general worldview might have been created deliberately... and we might be living in an essentially manufactured world, where everything we think we know, might actually be not what it seems to be...
So, what are your thoughts? Does anyone know any more famous freemasons?
Here you go: "Alexander Pushkin was Initiated in 1821 at Lodge Ovid, in Kischinev, Russia." That said, I agree with you that freemasonry is mostly a European thing. Was Pushkin a jew, mayhap?...
You could be right. To think about it, I do know of the term "judeo-masonry", but haven't given it much thought previously...
Which kind of brings us back to the original question: how much of our cultural codes have been manufactured and how much have occured naturally? Also, is being part of the elite a prerequisite to becoming famous? Can anyone at all become famous without being approved and vetted by the elite beforehand? Or is it just a one big club and if you're not part of it, you won't even get close to being famous or well known no matter how talented you are?
This reminded me of Pelevin's novel Generation P, haha. It has a lot of creative ad examples as well as ruminations on the structure of our society, consumerism, fake politics and more. A really recommended read, if you haven't read it already.
I've read somewhere that on some level masonic lodges really are just a bored gentlemen's clubs. That lower level masonic initiates are not getting any secrets revealed and nasty shit starts only at the higher levels. So you could be right about the perfect coverup. On the lower levels you have naive initiates, public masonic museums, some charity here and there, stuff like that... while the actual shit is happening away from the public eye hidden in plain sight.
Pushkin was 1/8 nigger. But it is stunning that you are not aware that Russia is a largest European country. :)
Masonry came from France into Russian Empire in the middle of 18 century.
Masonic shit in Russian Empire existed to the Aug 1 1822 when masonry and any similar "secret societies" was completely prohibited by Alexander I. So Pushkin was a mason for around a year. :) Later, in 1825 a failed coup attempt happened, some think that it was an attempt of retaliation to the throne for masonry prohibition, since many participants was ex-masons. Few friends of Pushkin was among arrested for the coup.
If you are interested, you could find a lot of interesting stuff about masonry in Russian literature of that time. Traditionally, Russians don't give any fuck to that masonic NDA and easily spread all masonic secrets. It is a fun reading, actually, but I'm not sure that it will be relevant to the Western masonry internals. F.e. often meetings of Russian mason lodges ended with booze-ups and sometimes brawls. :)
Also, famous Russian writers of that time, like Tatischev, Griboedov, Vyazemskiy (friend of Pushkin), Chadaev, Karamzin, Radischev and some other I don't recall was masons.
You know the answer. :) Pelevin is just a regular soviet engineer, he even nearly got PhD with thesis on trolleybus engine driver or something. Then USSR fell and he started to work for some publishing house (as engineer he was friendly with computers) and began to write his stories and novels. And no, he is not a mason. :)
Interesting that he was nominant for Nobel prize, but got nothing. May be because he was not in club. :)
And yes, he is without any doubt very talented. Last things are not as exciting as usual, but still good.
I read everything he write. :) Meanwhile he publish his books on his site in open access free of charge, after some time pass after publication. Extremely rare thing among modern popular authors. He even uploaded few things in English: http://pelevin.nov.ru/texts/ scroll to the end.
I don't know if it is available in English, but try to find his SciFi novel "Methuselah's Lamp, or The Last Battle of the Chekists and Masons". A lot of fun, pretty ontopic on that forum. "General Chutzpa of Federal Reserve", "Safe space", reptiloids and all that stuff. :)
I think it is a way all our clown world going. Political parties with deep state behind, WEF, UN, WHO,etc clowns with their public activity while somebody behind curtains create and push narratives and so on. Same with masons.
Haha, of course I know that Russia is a European country. I just assumed for some reason that you meant Western Europe. Like France, Germany and such...
Didn't know such details about Russian masonry. Interesting stuff. I've heard of Griboedov, but haven't read him...
Interesting detail. You might be right about him not being in the club.
No need for English. I read them in Russian ;) I'm from post-soviet country :) Anyway, yes, I've read Methuselah's Lamp. That was some while ago, but I remember liking it. It's probably not the best of his, but a good one nevertheless.
Almost all of his books are highly relevant to actual real world happenings. Take iPhuck 10, for example. Or SNUFF, for that matter... which almost seems like some kind of prophesy or something...
I like his more spiritual texts as well. Like Yellow Arrow and the Fuji novel.
All in all I'm too a constant reader of his stuff :)
Yes, I do not really believe that Tedros or Klaus are actually deciding anything. Most probably those are just figureheads, who do what they're told... just like everyone else... In short, it's a question of levels. Is the publicly visible layer (with all the presidents, heads of various agencies etc) the very top level or is there some level(s) above it? I think it's the latter.
Masonry came to Russian Empire from Western Europe, mostly from France and gain some popularity among Russian elite for a while. Russian aristocracy borrow a lot from the West. However, this borrowing was mostly superficial, like f.e. uniform of army was borrowed to some extent, but military strategy and tactics was homegrown. Same with masonry. It was not able to overcome deep orthodox background, so it mutated into specific Russian variant.
If you read Russian, and really interested in history of masonry, then you have access to large library of Russian literature about masonry. Again, I'm not sure it is strictly relevant for Western masonry, but it still could give some hints and clues. There is even some new book in two volumes, I didn't read yet, published in 2021 - "Системы и ритуалы российского масонства XVIII–XIX вв."
Yep, I can imagine cultural borrowing being only on superficial level, while deeper levels remain significantly different from the original meaning. That book seems interesting. I might look into it. Thanks.