I'd guess you'd have a few different answers because Flat Earthers don't all agree on the actual shape or layout of the Earth, they just all agree that it's not the shape we've been told. My best guess would be because you're approaching the ice wall in either direction
The flat earth has a hollow base where ancient aliens use massive refrigerators to chill the air. The chilled air is then vented through hidden cave entrances. You can't visit these places because the Freemason overlords, along with the Jews, have forbidden it.
This video explains nothing. I think it claims that one cannot see stars that are very far away but it doesn't actually make any kind of clear statement.
Handshake account? Never talked to you before? We went back and forth a couple of times until you couldn't answer the question.
And yes the Stars, Sun and moon move across the sky at the same rate. If you don't believe me just point a sextant at them and you will see I am correct.
There are two exceptions though, Polaris and the Southern Cross. They don't move and the Stars rotate around them (every twenty four hours).
You won't reply to this because you can't. The only reasonable solution to the above observations is that the Earth is rotating, not that the sun is flying around a couple hundred miles above the earth.
I am new to posting here, but I have been lurking since they were created and the problems over on the Chans.
I am not debating, dialectic discourse isn't science. I am simply trying to reconcile how the motions of the Stars, Sun and Moon reconciles with your flat earth model.
The reason I am asking for the distances and speeds of those objects is to see how well they match with measurable observations. The fact that you can't give me either of those numbers is very telling.
In the spinning globe model all of those speeds and distance are trivial to determine (and incredibly accurate). Your flat Earth Model can't seem to deal with those fundamental issues at all.
Your question about seeing to far is confusing to me. We 'see' photons, some of the photons we see in the night sky are from billions of light years away and our telescopes can see even further.
I haven't observed any objects that should be hidden by the earths curvature.
However I commonly see ships sails, before I see the vessel itself. That in itself is evidence that the earth is curved.
About objects moving in the heavens, my observations agree 100% with the idea that the earth is making a revolution every 24 hours and that the Sun and Stars aren't moving, relative to each other.
Until you can come up with the speed and distances of the Sun, Moon and Stars, your flat earth theory is lacking the most important part of any theory and that is the ability to predict future results.
The spinning sphere theory can predict with incredible accuracy, the sunrise time 10 years into the future and any eclipses thousands of years into the future.
How can something with hills and mountains be "flat?"
I just don't think it's a spinning ball!
Not 100% either way. It's a shame NASA won't prove anything to us with a real photograph of a so called spinning ball! 65 years and hundreds of billions of dollars and no real photo. Oh well.
Try not to let it bother you so much at the end of the day does it really matter that you don't know if it's "flat" or a "globe"?
a) why is it called EQUA'TOR, noun (Latin oequo, to make equal); when being implies one being different than other ones?
b) north/south (front/back) + west/east (left/right)...what if one can only exist at the center of ones surrounding? Is there such a position as front; back; left; right; up; down or does oneself represent the center position wherever one chooses to wander?
If you (or anyone) are ever earnestly interested in questions like this, please join us over on flatearthresearch!
How does the climate work on a flat earth? Why does it get colder the further north or south or up you go?
This is tellingly difficult for the indoctrinated/biased to recognize, but almost nothing depends on the believed sphericity of the world. Neither the climate or the colder latitudes require the world to be a sphere. The climate works the same way it does now (generally driven by the sun as far as we know)
Consider the geocentric model. We have it, and it still works very well today. Does that prove that the universe is geocentric?
Models are not for explanation - they are for (limited) use!
Having a model or not having a model is meaningless. Analogously, having an explanation or lacking one is equally meaningless. Furthermore, contriving explanation is trivial; Almost all mythology is explanation... What matters is if the explanations are correct!
If i had a model of a flat world (trivial, but time consuming, to create), surely that wouldn’t prove the world flat - right? For the exact same reasons the geocentric model doesn’t (and can’t, fundamentally) prove that the earth is the center of the universe.
Do you think that I am asking for a physical model like a diorama?
Lol. There is a lot of equivocation fallacy (often unintentional) surrounding the use of the word “model”. Most people have no idea what a scientific model is, how it is made, or why. For instance, you are under the (common/popularized) misapprehension that they are used, or can be used, to prove things about reality (either inside of science or outside of it).
None of that seems to exist for a flat earth
In the scientific sense/use of the word “model”, no. There are many maps, conceptions, physical “dioramas” etc. available, however - but that is NOT the same thing, as you correctly point out.
What you are missing is that having or not having a model is meaningless. The earth remains the shape it is regardless of what our contrived models depict. Did you understand the point i was making about the geocentric model?
Just vague claims and 5-hour long videos with more vague claims.
There is more than that (what you describe above, which i generally consider the flat earth psyop) but the heavily advertised (i.e. funded) flat earth psyop obfuscates it. That is one of its major purposes, ostensibly.
Earnest researchers, what i call flat earth researchers, do exist - and like most researchers - often do not make any videos. In any case, i loathe the 5 hour infotainment junk too.
Present what? I can’t help you find something if i don’t even know what you’re looking for. And i won’t help you find something if you don’t earnestly try to research/search for it first and fail. If i feed you fish, i make you a slave.
You won't because you know that it doesn't exist.
Understanding why you so desperately need this to be the case that you make silly proclamations like this will help you to identify your biases and be a better researcher. Assuming you are a human being, and earnest, i am happy to help when you are ready.
I'd guess you'd have a few different answers because Flat Earthers don't all agree on the actual shape or layout of the Earth, they just all agree that it's not the shape we've been told. My best guess would be because you're approaching the ice wall in either direction
Is this satire?
Please present this mode with accurate measurements.
I have yet to see a flat earther do this.
You have yet to provide any data to support any of your claims.
The flat earth has a hollow base where ancient aliens use massive refrigerators to chill the air. The chilled air is then vented through hidden cave entrances. You can't visit these places because the Freemason overlords, along with the Jews, have forbidden it.
fuck off fed
there is no debate, and you are not retarded, so logically you are a well poisoner.
Can you show a visual representation of what you describe there?
At what distance dies air become opaque?
Is this supposed to be an experiment or a joke? Are you claiming that the moon hangs above us at all times without moving?
This video explains nothing. I think it claims that one cannot see stars that are very far away but it doesn't actually make any kind of clear statement.
What should I take away from this clip?
Do you have any data to back up that claim?
You never answered what the height and the speed of the sun is and why the stars, sun and moon all cross the sky at the same rate?
Handshake account? Never talked to you before? We went back and forth a couple of times until you couldn't answer the question.
And yes the Stars, Sun and moon move across the sky at the same rate. If you don't believe me just point a sextant at them and you will see I am correct.
There are two exceptions though, Polaris and the Southern Cross. They don't move and the Stars rotate around them (every twenty four hours).
You won't reply to this because you can't. The only reasonable solution to the above observations is that the Earth is rotating, not that the sun is flying around a couple hundred miles above the earth.
I am new to posting here, but I have been lurking since they were created and the problems over on the Chans.
I am not debating, dialectic discourse isn't science. I am simply trying to reconcile how the motions of the Stars, Sun and Moon reconciles with your flat earth model.
The reason I am asking for the distances and speeds of those objects is to see how well they match with measurable observations. The fact that you can't give me either of those numbers is very telling.
In the spinning globe model all of those speeds and distance are trivial to determine (and incredibly accurate). Your flat Earth Model can't seem to deal with those fundamental issues at all.
Your question about seeing to far is confusing to me. We 'see' photons, some of the photons we see in the night sky are from billions of light years away and our telescopes can see even further.
I haven't observed any objects that should be hidden by the earths curvature.
However I commonly see ships sails, before I see the vessel itself. That in itself is evidence that the earth is curved.
About objects moving in the heavens, my observations agree 100% with the idea that the earth is making a revolution every 24 hours and that the Sun and Stars aren't moving, relative to each other.
Until you can come up with the speed and distances of the Sun, Moon and Stars, your flat earth theory is lacking the most important part of any theory and that is the ability to predict future results.
The spinning sphere theory can predict with incredible accuracy, the sunrise time 10 years into the future and any eclipses thousands of years into the future.
So why have we had the exact same zodiac constellations throughout all known history
Thank you!
Please substantiate these claims by providing measurements.
There is nothing to retort except for baseless claims., Provide some data and then we can have a meaningful discussion.
I don't think it's flat!
How can something with hills and mountains be "flat?"
I just don't think it's a spinning ball!
Not 100% either way. It's a shame NASA won't prove anything to us with a real photograph of a so called spinning ball! 65 years and hundreds of billions of dollars and no real photo. Oh well.
Try not to let it bother you so much at the end of the day does it really matter that you don't know if it's "flat" or a "globe"?
I don't think so. Have a great day mister!
a) why is it called EQUA'TOR, noun (Latin oequo, to make equal); when being implies one being different than other ones?
b) north/south (front/back) + west/east (left/right)...what if one can only exist at the center of ones surrounding? Is there such a position as front; back; left; right; up; down or does oneself represent the center position wherever one chooses to wander?
If you (or anyone) are ever earnestly interested in questions like this, please join us over on flatearthresearch!
This is tellingly difficult for the indoctrinated/biased to recognize, but almost nothing depends on the believed sphericity of the world. Neither the climate or the colder latitudes require the world to be a sphere. The climate works the same way it does now (generally driven by the sun as far as we know)
Please present a model that explains all these thing then.
You misunderstand.
Models are not for explanation.
Consider the geocentric model. We have it, and it still works very well today. Does that prove that the universe is geocentric?
Models are not for explanation - they are for (limited) use!
Having a model or not having a model is meaningless. Analogously, having an explanation or lacking one is equally meaningless. Furthermore, contriving explanation is trivial; Almost all mythology is explanation... What matters is if the explanations are correct!
If i had a model of a flat world (trivial, but time consuming, to create), surely that wouldn’t prove the world flat - right? For the exact same reasons the geocentric model doesn’t (and can’t, fundamentally) prove that the earth is the center of the universe.
Do you think that I am asking for a physical model like a diorama?
I am asking for a model in a sense that you provide measurements, a map, documentation of observations etc.
None of that seems to exist for a flat earth. Just vague claims and 5-hour long videos with more vague claims.
Lol. There is a lot of equivocation fallacy (often unintentional) surrounding the use of the word “model”. Most people have no idea what a scientific model is, how it is made, or why. For instance, you are under the (common/popularized) misapprehension that they are used, or can be used, to prove things about reality (either inside of science or outside of it).
In the scientific sense/use of the word “model”, no. There are many maps, conceptions, physical “dioramas” etc. available, however - but that is NOT the same thing, as you correctly point out.
What you are missing is that having or not having a model is meaningless. The earth remains the shape it is regardless of what our contrived models depict. Did you understand the point i was making about the geocentric model?
There is more than that (what you describe above, which i generally consider the flat earth psyop) but the heavily advertised (i.e. funded) flat earth psyop obfuscates it. That is one of its major purposes, ostensibly.
Earnest researchers, what i call flat earth researchers, do exist - and like most researchers - often do not make any videos. In any case, i loathe the 5 hour infotainment junk too.
Then present it.
You won't because you know that it doesn't exist.
Present what? I can’t help you find something if i don’t even know what you’re looking for. And i won’t help you find something if you don’t earnestly try to research/search for it first and fail. If i feed you fish, i make you a slave.
Understanding why you so desperately need this to be the case that you make silly proclamations like this will help you to identify your biases and be a better researcher. Assuming you are a human being, and earnest, i am happy to help when you are ready.
You yourself wrote:
So, where is it? What is it? Present it!
It gets colder closer to the ice wall.
What keeps tne ice wall cold?
There is no ice wall in the center of flat earth earth.