The managers of the site, who identify themselves by the assumed names Guy Mass and Richard Byrd
I dont think I can recall admiral byrd and hollow earth being used to proof flat earth. Can hollow earth and flat earth even co exist? How can earth be hollow if its just a flat square.
We’re alone on a huge and stable surface – the fact is that things don’t move in your room – as people believed in ancient times.
Ahhh yes, nothing is moving when your in a moving car, so therefore its not moving, right? Basic physics here people.
“About a year and a half ago my eldest daughter asked me: ‘Who said that the world is a ball and not flat?’ I searched on Google, and I read a ridiculous article on the subject that suffered from misinformation.
I thought this shit would be common knowledge. It was the greeks who supposedly first came up with it. But obviously that is not true, just like how the magnetic compass is a invention of china lol ^^. In the original legends of Hercules, he uses a compass to navigate the seas.
Historians think China may have been the first civilization to develop a magnetic compass that could be used for navigation. Chinese scientists may have developed navigational compasses as early as the 11th or 12th century. Western Europeans soon followed at the end of the 12th century.
Excerpts from Atlantis THE ANTEDILUVIAN WORLD by ignius.
The magnet was called the “ Stone of Hercules.” Hercules was the patron divinity of the Phænicians. He was, as we have shown elsewhere, one of the gods of Atlantis — probably one of its great kings and navigators. The Atlanteans were, as Plato tells us, a maritime, commercial people, trading up the Mediterranean as far as Egypt and Syria , and across the Atlantic to “ the whole opposite continent that surrounds the sea ;" the Phænicians, as their successors and descendants, and colonized on the shores of the Mediterranean, inherited their civilization and their maritime habits, and with these that invention without which their great voyages were impossible. From them the magnet passed to the Hindoos, and from them to the Chinese, who certainly possessed it at an earlydate. In the year 2700 B.C. the Emperor Wang-ti placed a magnetic figure with an extended arm , like the Astarte of the Phænicians, on the front of carriages, the arm always turning and pointing to the south, which the Chinese regarded as the principal pole.
“ Hercules, it was said , being once overpowered by the heat of the sun, drew his bow against that luminary ; whereupon the god Phæbus, admiring his intrepidity , gave him a golden cup, with which sailed over the ocean. This cup was the compass, which old writers have called Lapis Heracleus. Pisander says Oceanus lent him the cup, and Lucian says it was a sea-shell. Tradition affirms that the magnet originally was not on a pivot, but set to float on water in a cup. The old antiquarian is wildly theoretical on this point, and sees a compass in the Golden Fleece of Argos, in the oracular needle which Nero worshipped, and in everything else. Yet undoubtedly there are some curious facts connected with the matter. Osónius says that Gama and the Portuguese got the compass from some pirates at the Cape of Good Hope, A.D. 1260. M.Fauchet, the French antiquarian , finds it plainly alluded to in some old poem of Brittany belonging to the year A.D. 1180. Paulo Venetus brought it in the thirteenth century from China, where it was regarded as oracular. Genebrand says Melvius, a Neapolitan , brought it to Europe in A.D. 1303. Costa says Gama got it from Mohammedan seamen . But all nations with whom it was found associate it with regions where Heraclean myths prevailed . And one of the most curious facts is that the ancient Britons, as the Welsh do to -day, call a pilot llywydd (lode). Lodemanage, in Skinner's ' Etymology,' is the word
for the price paid to a pilot. But whether this famous, and afterward deified ,mariner (Hercules) had a compass or not, we can hardly regard the association of his name with so many Western monuments as accidental.”
Anyway, you would have to be brain dead to think that someone didnt figure it out long before that. The people who built the great pyramids or some of these other 7 wonders of the world type shit, had to have figured it out long before that to line up their temples to such precision for things like the 8 sided pyramid or the serpent of light to appear.
One thing I will give you flat earthers. The equations that the greeks came up with could work both ways.
This answer from some random person explains it better than me...
This is a long answer, explaining more or less step to step why the data available to Eratosthenes indicted that the Sun should be a vast distance from the Earth, thus makings its diverging rays almost parallel when they struck the Earth.
Eratosthenes Lived from c. 276 BC to 195/194 BC.
There are (rare) eclipses of the Sun by the Moon.
Even though it is hard to see a thin sliver of the Moon in the daytime sky, especially when it is close to the painful glare of the Sun, people did observe the Moon before the Sun came up or after the Sun went down, approaching the position of the Sun and becoming thinner and thinner until it becomes unseen, and then becoming a thin new moon and the crescent increasing in thickness as the Moon's angular distance from the Sun increased.
Anaxagoras (500 BC - 428 BC) believed that the Sun was larger than the Peloponnese, which is about 80 miles wide. Since the Sun appears to be about half a degree wide as seen from Earth, it should be at least about 114.59 times 80 miles, or 9,167.2 miles, from Earth according to Anaxagoras. And as the ancient Greeks explored the world and found it was larger than they thought, Greek philosophers realized the Sun had to be larger and farther away.
Anaxagoras is said to be the first person to explain that solar eclipses are caused by the Moon passing in front of the Sun. Which of course shows that the Moon is closer than the Sun.
The math really isnt that hard believe it or not...
How can earth be hollow if its just a flat square.
It just has to have large hollow spaces beneath the surface (which it obviously does, in any case), the shape of the entire world is irrelevant to that. Even if the world is a flat square, it obviously isn’t 2 dimensional!
Basic physics here people.
Most people struggle with physics. It isn’t for everyone.
I thought this shit would be common knowledge
Lots of shit is taught as “common knowledge”. Historically (and contemporarily) speaking, “common knowledge” is always wrong and at best incomplete. Thank god truth is not a democracy, eh?
In the original legends of Hercules, he uses a compass to navigate the seas.
Interesting - never heard that before!
The equations that the greeks came up with could work both ways.
The equations that eratosthenes apocryphally used to calculate the circumference of the world assume and depend on the world being spherical (and many other unvalidated assumptions). Misrepresenting it as a “proof” for the shape of the earth is at best disingenuous/erroneous and at worst fraudulent. Eratosthenes never doubted the world was spherical (and hence, of course, never sought to verify/validate it), because he was taught it as fact from childhood just like we were.
Anaxagoras is said to be the first person to explain that solar eclipses are caused by the Moon passing in front of the Sun
Also interesting. Pythagoras usually gets the credit for the explanation of the lunar eclipse, and from it the further deduction that the world is spherical - maybe anaxagoras is the real source.
I am so sick of this. The earth is shaped like a mobius strip. The moon is actually a reflection of the great fire pit, that resides in the center surface of the planet. Water doesn't exist, it is just the liquid form of air (There are only two states of matter).
No, I can't prove it, I'm not a space expert (astrologist.).
The real question no one is able to discredit is water physics. Water finds its own level. Think about that for awhile and people will begin to understand that it's level. Sea level. Air plane. Water doesn't bend on a curve it would naturally travel to find its level. Similar to a puddle or glass of water. Tilt the glass the water finds its own level.
For example, if you watch videos on YouTube think of your favorite channels of people vlogging outdoors for their channel. Pay close attention to the background or a scenic segment in the video. My example would be Kurt Caz channel. He travels the world. Watch the backgrounds in the horizons of beaches he visits in the countries he's in. Everything in a panoramic view is level. Ask yourself, "when does the bend start??"
If you like to read books check out Flat Earth FAQ by Eric Dubay. Color picture paperback. Phenomenal read and breaks down all the questions globers have (I had at least before i realized earth is flat). We've been lied to about everything since birth. Its hard to accept and to unlearn it all so i understand the fight back. I used to be one of those. I thought flat earthers were retarded. Now im retarded and believe the earth is flat so....thx
Enes Yilmazer is another channel. Real estate broker with a huge following with the nicest homes and mansions on earth. Watch oma few of those for enjoyment but also pay close attention to the distant backgrounds to the scenic views of the city skylines or the ocean/water. Ask yourself more questions on why we never see the curvature? Answer, because it's flat.
Nope. Not as stupid as you since you believe what most of the world believes that it's a globe. You'll never question it though will you. You just accept things because that's what you were told.
When I saw that ship sail over the horizon instead of getting smaller and smaller, it was because of the Jews. And when I flew to Australia, and I couldn't see the North Star anymore, it was because of the Jews. Or that time when I was in New York and saw Toronto building tops at eye level, but not the bottoms, and someone explained the curvature of the earth, it really wasn't true, it was because of the Jews. Yep, the Jews are so powerful they make me disbelieve my own eyes and stop me from asking any questions since they have compromised 2000 years of explorers, cartographers, or anyone who has studied astrophysics. It continually amazes me how powerful Jews have become. Hey, better we should stop trusting the Jews and start entrusting people like you on the Internet who spend their days without observing real-world events, without collecting empirical evidence, and without submitting research papers for peer review. It's easy to sound like a moron and you have successfully done that in spades.
Please turn the internet off, go outside, look up and think how utterly stupid you are.
The reason you can’t see (all of) the stars from where you normally live is because you are too far away from them.
As you recede farther and farther from any object/light source, it approaches, then converges, and then is (ostensibly) obscured by/“behind/over” the apparent horizon.
The reasons this happens are due to perspective, and due to refraction caused by the density gradient in our air which tends to cause light which travels through it to curve convexly towards the ground.
I don't think that you actually understand any of the words you use there but please show me the calculations and distances involved.
How far away from the constellation of Orion am I on the Northern Hemisphere and how far on the Southern and what exactly is the cut-off distance beyond which it isn't visible anymore?
I don't think that you actually understand any of the words you use there
Lol.
but please show me the calculations and distances involved.
Calculations are what we contrive AFTER we measure first. If you want to calculate, make some measurements of the same star in the same position (multiple nights, obviously) from different known distances/locations to it and extrapolate from there. You will see that it does exactly as i said; as you recede the star will lower in azimuth until it converges with the horizon and you can’t see it anymore. Do you honestly doubt that?
How far away from the constellation of Orion am I on the Northern Hemisphere and how far on the Southern and what exactly is the cut-off distance beyond which it isn't visible anymore?
I’m sure those answers are available to you if you want to go find them. It’s pretty standard astronomy stuff - go look it up if you’re interested! It doesn’t have much to do with what you asked though - that will just tell you how far you’ll have to travel to “restore” the stars you can’t see anymore.
I am talking about why you can’t see them anymore (they’re too far away), which is a different matter than how far you need to travel to restore them.
The light from stars travels billions of light years
I don’t believe such things, but even if it were true - it wouldn’t change what i said or the demonstrable reality of it. No matter how far away the light source is - as you recede from it (or it from you) it will appear to converge with the horizon and eventually no longer be visible.
only to be blocked
You misunderstand, that is your view. You are the one who believes that the light is blocked by the “curve of the earth”.
In my view, the receding light is first apparently converged with the visible horizon (perspective / angular resolution), and ultimately refracted, convexly towards the surface, by the density gradient in our air.
Makes total sense.
It does when you understand it. However, making sense doesn’t make it (or anything) correct. Reality is stranger than fiction because fiction is obliged to possibility.
In my view, the receding light is first apparently converged with the visible horizon (perspective / angular resolution), and ultimately refracted, convexly towards the surface, by the density gradient in our air.
Publish your research, show your empirical evidence and then have it reviewed by your peers. Once you do, you will be proven right and become the most famous person in the world.
Think of all the brave innovators who challenged the church and old-school ways that came before you. Copernicus, Galileo, at al, now YOU have an opportunity to be that person. Show the world your evidence and facts so everyone can once and for know how they have all been manipulated.
I “published” the conclusions of my research to you - just now...
Besides, what i’ve said is demonstrably observable for all to see. What better “publishment” can there be but trivially observable reality?
All objects, and the light from them - wether reflected or self luminescent - do as i describe when receding.
show your empirical evidence and then have it reviewed by your peers
Again, there is no better empirical evidence than trivially observable reality. Go out and “review” my evidence for yourself. Science is about replication (validation), not the publishing racket.
Once you do, you will be proven right and become the most famous person in the world.
Lol. You massively overestimate peoples interest in such things. Virtually no one cares friend, because they are too busy slaving away to “earn” a crust.
Think of all the brave innovators who challenged the church and old-school ways that came before you
I like historical fiction as well, but it is important to remember that they are just stories.
so everyone can once and for know how they have all been manipulated.
No one requires to be “manipulated” in order to be wrong and to likewise be taught, from childhood, wrong things and repeat them. That happens naturally, without any intervention/manipulation.
What are you waiting for?
That is a good question to ask yourself. I am not waiting. I’m here sharing my views and conclusions. You are the one who won’t/can’t bother to validate them. As I said, most people don’t care about such things :(
Flat Earthers are unable to actually substantiate their idiotic fantasies
There aren’t really any “flat earthers”. There are just products and/or agents of the heavily advertised (i.e. funded) flat earth psyop.
As for “idiotic fantasies”, all i did was answer your question - plainly. I know you are more comfortable believing there is no available answer but the one you were trained to repeat - but this is essentially never the case.
Try to address the content of my statements, instead of resorting to vapid and self degrading ad hominem. Viciously attack the thought, if you are capable, but never the thinker - as the latter only demonstrates your incompetence to do the former.
Lol. That’s not for lack of trying! When you don’t understand something, the best first step is to ask questions! Instead you resorted to ad hominem, which is not a good/intelligent way to discuss, learn, or teach anything :(
I too can string some fancy sounding words together randomly,
Clearly you didn’t understand what i said. Ask questions!
Name the distances.
As i said, there are many charts of such things. Look them up if you are interested! They have nothing to do with the question you asked, or the answer i gave.
We know the earth isn't flat, because if it was, cats would have knocked everything off of it by now.
I dont think I can recall admiral byrd and hollow earth being used to proof flat earth. Can hollow earth and flat earth even co exist? How can earth be hollow if its just a flat square.
Ahhh yes, nothing is moving when your in a moving car, so therefore its not moving, right? Basic physics here people.
I thought this shit would be common knowledge. It was the greeks who supposedly first came up with it. But obviously that is not true, just like how the magnetic compass is a invention of china lol ^^. In the original legends of Hercules, he uses a compass to navigate the seas.
Excerpts from Atlantis THE ANTEDILUVIAN WORLD by ignius.
Anyway, you would have to be brain dead to think that someone didnt figure it out long before that. The people who built the great pyramids or some of these other 7 wonders of the world type shit, had to have figured it out long before that to line up their temples to such precision for things like the 8 sided pyramid or the serpent of light to appear.
One thing I will give you flat earthers. The equations that the greeks came up with could work both ways.
This answer from some random person explains it better than me...
The math really isnt that hard believe it or not...
https://ecampus.matc.edu/mihalj/astronomy/test1/history_of_ast_the_universe.htm
Of course, why not?
It just has to have large hollow spaces beneath the surface (which it obviously does, in any case), the shape of the entire world is irrelevant to that. Even if the world is a flat square, it obviously isn’t 2 dimensional!
Most people struggle with physics. It isn’t for everyone.
Lots of shit is taught as “common knowledge”. Historically (and contemporarily) speaking, “common knowledge” is always wrong and at best incomplete. Thank god truth is not a democracy, eh?
Interesting - never heard that before!
The equations that eratosthenes apocryphally used to calculate the circumference of the world assume and depend on the world being spherical (and many other unvalidated assumptions). Misrepresenting it as a “proof” for the shape of the earth is at best disingenuous/erroneous and at worst fraudulent. Eratosthenes never doubted the world was spherical (and hence, of course, never sought to verify/validate it), because he was taught it as fact from childhood just like we were.
Also interesting. Pythagoras usually gets the credit for the explanation of the lunar eclipse, and from it the further deduction that the world is spherical - maybe anaxagoras is the real source.
There should be VIDEO cameras all over the shuttles recording. Instead no cameras and CGI.
No, just very technically literate and not much into attacking the messenger and other logical fallacies.
Oh, and we see too far, regularly.
I am so sick of this. The earth is shaped like a mobius strip. The moon is actually a reflection of the great fire pit, that resides in the center surface of the planet. Water doesn't exist, it is just the liquid form of air (There are only two states of matter).
No, I can't prove it, I'm not a space expert (astrologist.).
100%. Water finds its own level.
Why can't I see other continents through a telescope if the Earth is flat?
Why CAN I see the round, rocky surface of the moon through one?
Trees, buildings, hills, mountains, smog.
The real question no one is able to discredit is water physics. Water finds its own level. Think about that for awhile and people will begin to understand that it's level. Sea level. Air plane. Water doesn't bend on a curve it would naturally travel to find its level. Similar to a puddle or glass of water. Tilt the glass the water finds its own level.
For example, if you watch videos on YouTube think of your favorite channels of people vlogging outdoors for their channel. Pay close attention to the background or a scenic segment in the video. My example would be Kurt Caz channel. He travels the world. Watch the backgrounds in the horizons of beaches he visits in the countries he's in. Everything in a panoramic view is level. Ask yourself, "when does the bend start??"
If you have time this weekend please watch this documentary level with me 2023 https://www.bitchute.com/video/LeSS8zbG0NIp/
If you like to read books check out Flat Earth FAQ by Eric Dubay. Color picture paperback. Phenomenal read and breaks down all the questions globers have (I had at least before i realized earth is flat). We've been lied to about everything since birth. Its hard to accept and to unlearn it all so i understand the fight back. I used to be one of those. I thought flat earthers were retarded. Now im retarded and believe the earth is flat so....thx
Enes Yilmazer is another channel. Real estate broker with a huge following with the nicest homes and mansions on earth. Watch oma few of those for enjoyment but also pay close attention to the distant backgrounds to the scenic views of the city skylines or the ocean/water. Ask yourself more questions on why we never see the curvature? Answer, because it's flat.
There are none of those things on the ocean. The implication is that I'm looking across the ocean through a telescope.
It's perspective. It's completely flat. Again, water doesn't bend.
The amount of stupidity in your post is incredible.
Water always finds its level. How's that for stupidity? Better?
I hope you're joking.
Nope. Not as stupid as you since you believe what most of the world believes that it's a globe. You'll never question it though will you. You just accept things because that's what you were told.
When I saw that ship sail over the horizon instead of getting smaller and smaller, it was because of the Jews. And when I flew to Australia, and I couldn't see the North Star anymore, it was because of the Jews. Or that time when I was in New York and saw Toronto building tops at eye level, but not the bottoms, and someone explained the curvature of the earth, it really wasn't true, it was because of the Jews. Yep, the Jews are so powerful they make me disbelieve my own eyes and stop me from asking any questions since they have compromised 2000 years of explorers, cartographers, or anyone who has studied astrophysics. It continually amazes me how powerful Jews have become. Hey, better we should stop trusting the Jews and start entrusting people like you on the Internet who spend their days without observing real-world events, without collecting empirical evidence, and without submitting research papers for peer review. It's easy to sound like a moron and you have successfully done that in spades.
Please turn the internet off, go outside, look up and think how utterly stupid you are.
What do you see when you look up?
Pretty good article, surprisingly.
I am currently in Africa and cannot see any of the star constellations that I can usually see.
Can a flat earther explain that?
Sure. (though “flat earthers” don’t really exist)
The reason you can’t see (all of) the stars from where you normally live is because you are too far away from them.
As you recede farther and farther from any object/light source, it approaches, then converges, and then is (ostensibly) obscured by/“behind/over” the apparent horizon.
The reasons this happens are due to perspective, and due to refraction caused by the density gradient in our air which tends to cause light which travels through it to curve convexly towards the ground.
I don't think that you actually understand any of the words you use there but please show me the calculations and distances involved.
How far away from the constellation of Orion am I on the Northern Hemisphere and how far on the Southern and what exactly is the cut-off distance beyond which it isn't visible anymore?
Lol.
Calculations are what we contrive AFTER we measure first. If you want to calculate, make some measurements of the same star in the same position (multiple nights, obviously) from different known distances/locations to it and extrapolate from there. You will see that it does exactly as i said; as you recede the star will lower in azimuth until it converges with the horizon and you can’t see it anymore. Do you honestly doubt that?
I’m sure those answers are available to you if you want to go find them. It’s pretty standard astronomy stuff - go look it up if you’re interested! It doesn’t have much to do with what you asked though - that will just tell you how far you’ll have to travel to “restore” the stars you can’t see anymore.
I am talking about why you can’t see them anymore (they’re too far away), which is a different matter than how far you need to travel to restore them.
The light from stars travels billions of light years only to be blocked by someone travelling to the other side of a flat earth. Makes total sense.
I don’t believe such things, but even if it were true - it wouldn’t change what i said or the demonstrable reality of it. No matter how far away the light source is - as you recede from it (or it from you) it will appear to converge with the horizon and eventually no longer be visible.
You misunderstand, that is your view. You are the one who believes that the light is blocked by the “curve of the earth”.
In my view, the receding light is first apparently converged with the visible horizon (perspective / angular resolution), and ultimately refracted, convexly towards the surface, by the density gradient in our air.
It does when you understand it. However, making sense doesn’t make it (or anything) correct. Reality is stranger than fiction because fiction is obliged to possibility.
Publish your research, show your empirical evidence and then have it reviewed by your peers. Once you do, you will be proven right and become the most famous person in the world.
Think of all the brave innovators who challenged the church and old-school ways that came before you. Copernicus, Galileo, at al, now YOU have an opportunity to be that person. Show the world your evidence and facts so everyone can once and for know how they have all been manipulated.
What are you waiting for?
I “published” the conclusions of my research to you - just now...
Besides, what i’ve said is demonstrably observable for all to see. What better “publishment” can there be but trivially observable reality?
All objects, and the light from them - wether reflected or self luminescent - do as i describe when receding.
Again, there is no better empirical evidence than trivially observable reality. Go out and “review” my evidence for yourself. Science is about replication (validation), not the publishing racket.
Lol. You massively overestimate peoples interest in such things. Virtually no one cares friend, because they are too busy slaving away to “earn” a crust.
I like historical fiction as well, but it is important to remember that they are just stories.
No one requires to be “manipulated” in order to be wrong and to likewise be taught, from childhood, wrong things and repeat them. That happens naturally, without any intervention/manipulation.
That is a good question to ask yourself. I am not waiting. I’m here sharing my views and conclusions. You are the one who won’t/can’t bother to validate them. As I said, most people don’t care about such things :(
As usual, Flat Earthers are unable to actually substantiate their idiotic fantasies
There aren’t really any “flat earthers”. There are just products and/or agents of the heavily advertised (i.e. funded) flat earth psyop.
As for “idiotic fantasies”, all i did was answer your question - plainly. I know you are more comfortable believing there is no available answer but the one you were trained to repeat - but this is essentially never the case.
Try to address the content of my statements, instead of resorting to vapid and self degrading ad hominem. Viciously attack the thought, if you are capable, but never the thinker - as the latter only demonstrates your incompetence to do the former.
What content? You throw down some words that explain nothing. You have no content.
I too can string some fancy sounding words together randomly, that doesn't mean I have provided an argument.
Name the distances.
They’re called words.
Lol. That’s not for lack of trying! When you don’t understand something, the best first step is to ask questions! Instead you resorted to ad hominem, which is not a good/intelligent way to discuss, learn, or teach anything :(
Clearly you didn’t understand what i said. Ask questions!
As i said, there are many charts of such things. Look them up if you are interested! They have nothing to do with the question you asked, or the answer i gave.