I “published” the conclusions of my research to you - just now...
Besides, what i’ve said is demonstrably observable for all to see. What better “publishment” can there be but trivially observable reality?
All objects, and the light from them - wether reflected or self luminescent - do as i describe when receding.
show your empirical evidence and then have it reviewed by your peers
Again, there is no better empirical evidence than trivially observable reality. Go out and “review” my evidence for yourself. Science is about replication (validation), not the publishing racket.
Once you do, you will be proven right and become the most famous person in the world.
Lol. You massively overestimate peoples interest in such things. Virtually no one cares friend, because they are too busy slaving away to “earn” a crust.
Think of all the brave innovators who challenged the church and old-school ways that came before you
I like historical fiction as well, but it is important to remember that they are just stories.
so everyone can once and for know how they have all been manipulated.
No one requires to be “manipulated” in order to be wrong and to likewise be taught, from childhood, wrong things and repeat them. That happens naturally, without any intervention/manipulation.
What are you waiting for?
That is a good question to ask yourself. I am not waiting. I’m here sharing my views and conclusions. You are the one who won’t/can’t bother to validate them. As I said, most people don’t care about such things :(
I “published” the conclusions of my research to you - just now...
No, any fundamental 'discovery' that goes against the status quo must be published in scientific journals so that people smarter than you or I can review, critique, and debunk your claims. Watch the movie, The Theory of Everything, where Hawkings was laughed at, scoffed at, and told he was a loon, by the establishment. If you don't have the guts to do this, then you are just a conspiracy theorist with nothing to show but the fact that you are a gutless coward and not serious.
Anyone can lay a claim that Jews control everything and that there is a secret cabal trying to hide the truth, well my friend, that is the true meaning of a conspiritard. You have nothing but your own paranoid delusions.
So put up or shut up. If you claim "I don't waste my time on those publishing rackets" that is the language of a coward. For you to say such a thing is just you admitting you really don't have the intelligence to go toe to toe with them. If you are so much smarter than they are, then put it in a paper and publish it. It's free for fuck sake.
Every flat earther is a fucking idiot, simply because they knowingly have nothing to show but some clown and a YouTube video.
To date, not one of you FE's has ever done anything more than make fake assumptions without any evidence whatsoever.
No, any fundamental 'discovery' that goes against the status quo
Lol, i disagree - but in any case; what “discovery that goes against the status quo” did you think we were discussing? What i said is well known and established. It’s most all “status quo” - not that that matters.
published in scientific journals
Again, science is about replication not the publisher racket. Are you familiar with the “crisis” in replication facing those “journals”? More than half of what is published across the board is garbage/junk/fraud. Although you are right that there ought to be a working system to foster and validate scientific claims - the publishing racket demonstrably isn’t that. Lots, if not most, things that “ought” to be, sadly are not.
The Theory of Everything, where Hawkings was laughed at, scoffed at, and told he was a loon, by the establishment.
As i said, i like historical fiction too - but it is important to remember it is just stories.
you are just a conspiracy theorist
Lol, imagine being on a forum called “conspiracies” and unironically saying something like this...
“Conspiracy theorist” is a meaningless derogatory designed (and procedurally used) only to discredit and slander. You would do well to refrain from using/perpetuating the tools of our common enemies.
Anyone can lay a claim that Jews control everything and that there is a secret cabal trying to hide the truth, well my friend, that is the true meaning of a conspiritard.
This “conversation” has sure taken a strange turn... What an odd non sequitur...
So put up or shut up
Completely agreed, and a great motto! I’m absolutely “putting up”. That’s what i am doing every time i share my views, research, and conclusions. That is regardless of the venue, which is irrelevant. You can, and evidently more than half do - routinely, “put up” nonsense in “reputable journals”. Publishing doesn’t matter, validation does!
that is the language of a coward
If you say so. I understand academia, and the parasitic profiteering publishing racket attached to its belly, far too well to fear it.
If you are so much smarter than they are
Lol, you misunderstand. The smartest people who ever lived were all wrong. It will be forever thus. Smart does not equal correct.
I am claiming that the commonly taught belief that the “curve of the earth” obscures distant objects/lights is incorrect. I am not claiming anything about my intelligence nor anyone else's.
Every flat earther is a fucking idiot
There aren’t really any flat earthers. That’s a heavily advertised (i.e. funded) psyop. They are advertised as idiots intentionally to drive legitimate interest and research away from a valuable subject.
To date, not one of you FE's has ever done anything more than make fake assumptions without any evidence whatsoever.
In general, i agree with you - however there are many earnest flat earth researchers which conduct legitimate - evidence based - research. The psyop is designed to obfuscate them.
Also, “evidence” is not the “slam dunk” it is often misrepresented as. There is evidence available for most anything, very much including things which are incorrect. Legitimate evidence is used to convict innocent people all the time. Legitimate scientific/empirical evidence is historically always used to draw incorrect conclusions and theories which are then taught institutionally to millions.
"No matter how far away the light source is - as you recede from it (or it from you) it will appear to converge with the horizon and eventually no longer be visible."
The only way this could possibly happen is if the stars were a projection a few thousand feet up. If that is your claim, then you are a lost soul who has drank the Kool-aid. We can tell stars are far, far, far away simply due to triangulation taken 6 months apart. We can see with our own eyes this is true. Now, if you forget your bull shit and admit stars are really, really, really far away, on a flat plane, no matter where you went, even to your laughable 'ice wall' of the Antarctic, you would HAVE to still see Polaris since it is so far above us all, it would never ever converge into your gay, fake ass horizon.
Any dip shit can say "everything is fake, life is a projection, the stars are not very far away" - that is the language of a low IQ moron, such as yourself. I told you to publish your 'research;' yet you will never because deep down you know you are wrong and would be laughed at by anyone with an education greater than grade 10. Yours is a simpleton view of the cosmos, whereas I, and all other sane people, know that the universe is neverending and massive. All celestial bodies are forced into a ball shape due to gravity, and no other object Hubble or any other telescope has ever, ever seen a flat disc planet simply leads to an undeniable conclusion that anyone that thinks we are on a flat plane is an imbecile that has no proof other than their stupid gay words that come out of their head.
BTW - I mention the Jews because of the OP post here dip shit, it's the kind of low-iq moronic self-loathing chit chat of a paranoid racist fuck wit. No fuck off and die coward. The planet does not need more morons and you are one of them. When you cock reaches your asshole, go fuck yourself and your flat plane earth. Simpleton.
The only way this could possibly happen is if the stars were a projection a few thousand feet up
There are some who claim this is the case. But actually the distance to them doesn’t matter. Perspective (which causes the “vanishing point” phenomenon which is the “reason” things that recede apparently converge with the horizon) is more to do with angular resolution / receptor density in our eyes. It doesn’t matter how far away it is - as long as we can see it.
We can tell stars are far, far, far away simply due to triangulation taken 6 months apart
Assumptions built on assumptions. Castles made of sand.
What if the earth does NOT move over that 6 month interval - and the difference in apparent position (used for stellar parallax) is then NOT caused by this believed (but utterly unempirical ie. unmeasured ie, unscientific) motion?
We can see with our own eyes this is true
Evidence abounds, it is often the interpretation of that evidence which leads to incorrect conclusions.
We can see that the star’s apparent position moves slightly over a yearly interval. That is very different than all the (unvalidated) assumptions built beyond that evidence that you preach as gospel (because astronomers preached it to you as gospel first).
you would HAVE to still see Polaris since it is so far above us all
This is a common misunderstanding. It is analogous to the common “why can’t i see the eifel tower from the top of everest then?” nonsense.
There is more than one reason. One is perspective/angular resolution (causing apparent convergence with the horizon and vanishing because the object is too small to be resolved), and the other is there is a lot of stuff in the way (most notably air and the things dissolved/commingling in it) which as i said - tends to cause light to curve convexly towards the surface.
Any dip shit can say "everything is fake, life is a projection, the stars are not very far away"
Anyone can say anything, dip-shit status not withstanding. But that doesn’t make them correct/incorrect. You claiming (parroting the claim, in point of fact) that the stars are unfathomable distances from us is a good example. In any case, i didn’t make any claim like that, so why don’t we talk about claims i actually made instead?
I told you to publish your 'research;'
And i told you that i am, right now, to you. Look at your reaction to this publishing! Witness your belligerent disinterest and zealous faith in your own preferred “status quo”. I may “publish” something in some form in the future, but there is nothing wrong with starting small. One of the major reasons i engage in forums like this is to share (“publish”) my research to subject it to scrutiny in the hopes of refinement (including refutation!).
All celestial bodies are forced into a ball shape due to gravity
Lol, yes - so we are taught and required to repeat. It is not insane to conclude that what you have been conditioned to believe through rote under the guise of education from childhood is likely incorrect. Quite the opposite!
If gravity (gravitation specifically; gravity is a phenomenon and has been defined for thousands of years - it is demonstrably real) doesn’t exist, then it can’t force any bodies - celestial or otherwise - to take any shape.
No fuck off and die coward
Ad hominem is the last resort of the intellectually feeble. They attack the thinker out of desperation because they can’t attack the thought. Do better if you can!
I “published” the conclusions of my research to you - just now...
Besides, what i’ve said is demonstrably observable for all to see. What better “publishment” can there be but trivially observable reality?
All objects, and the light from them - wether reflected or self luminescent - do as i describe when receding.
Again, there is no better empirical evidence than trivially observable reality. Go out and “review” my evidence for yourself. Science is about replication (validation), not the publishing racket.
Lol. You massively overestimate peoples interest in such things. Virtually no one cares friend, because they are too busy slaving away to “earn” a crust.
I like historical fiction as well, but it is important to remember that they are just stories.
No one requires to be “manipulated” in order to be wrong and to likewise be taught, from childhood, wrong things and repeat them. That happens naturally, without any intervention/manipulation.
That is a good question to ask yourself. I am not waiting. I’m here sharing my views and conclusions. You are the one who won’t/can’t bother to validate them. As I said, most people don’t care about such things :(
No, any fundamental 'discovery' that goes against the status quo must be published in scientific journals so that people smarter than you or I can review, critique, and debunk your claims. Watch the movie, The Theory of Everything, where Hawkings was laughed at, scoffed at, and told he was a loon, by the establishment. If you don't have the guts to do this, then you are just a conspiracy theorist with nothing to show but the fact that you are a gutless coward and not serious.
Fuck, today it is so easy, just look at https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=scientific+paper+on+the+shape+of+the+earth&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart
Anyone can lay a claim that Jews control everything and that there is a secret cabal trying to hide the truth, well my friend, that is the true meaning of a conspiritard. You have nothing but your own paranoid delusions.
So put up or shut up. If you claim "I don't waste my time on those publishing rackets" that is the language of a coward. For you to say such a thing is just you admitting you really don't have the intelligence to go toe to toe with them. If you are so much smarter than they are, then put it in a paper and publish it. It's free for fuck sake.
Every flat earther is a fucking idiot, simply because they knowingly have nothing to show but some clown and a YouTube video.
To date, not one of you FE's has ever done anything more than make fake assumptions without any evidence whatsoever.
https://scientific-publishing.webshop.elsevier.com/publication-recognition/how-to-submit-a-paper-for-publication-in-a-journal/
Lol, i disagree - but in any case; what “discovery that goes against the status quo” did you think we were discussing? What i said is well known and established. It’s most all “status quo” - not that that matters.
Again, science is about replication not the publisher racket. Are you familiar with the “crisis” in replication facing those “journals”? More than half of what is published across the board is garbage/junk/fraud. Although you are right that there ought to be a working system to foster and validate scientific claims - the publishing racket demonstrably isn’t that. Lots, if not most, things that “ought” to be, sadly are not.
As i said, i like historical fiction too - but it is important to remember it is just stories.
Lol, imagine being on a forum called “conspiracies” and unironically saying something like this...
“Conspiracy theorist” is a meaningless derogatory designed (and procedurally used) only to discredit and slander. You would do well to refrain from using/perpetuating the tools of our common enemies.
This “conversation” has sure taken a strange turn... What an odd non sequitur...
Completely agreed, and a great motto! I’m absolutely “putting up”. That’s what i am doing every time i share my views, research, and conclusions. That is regardless of the venue, which is irrelevant. You can, and evidently more than half do - routinely, “put up” nonsense in “reputable journals”. Publishing doesn’t matter, validation does!
If you say so. I understand academia, and the parasitic profiteering publishing racket attached to its belly, far too well to fear it.
Lol, you misunderstand. The smartest people who ever lived were all wrong. It will be forever thus. Smart does not equal correct.
I am claiming that the commonly taught belief that the “curve of the earth” obscures distant objects/lights is incorrect. I am not claiming anything about my intelligence nor anyone else's.
There aren’t really any flat earthers. That’s a heavily advertised (i.e. funded) psyop. They are advertised as idiots intentionally to drive legitimate interest and research away from a valuable subject.
In general, i agree with you - however there are many earnest flat earth researchers which conduct legitimate - evidence based - research. The psyop is designed to obfuscate them.
Also, “evidence” is not the “slam dunk” it is often misrepresented as. There is evidence available for most anything, very much including things which are incorrect. Legitimate evidence is used to convict innocent people all the time. Legitimate scientific/empirical evidence is historically always used to draw incorrect conclusions and theories which are then taught institutionally to millions.
You said:
"No matter how far away the light source is - as you recede from it (or it from you) it will appear to converge with the horizon and eventually no longer be visible."
The only way this could possibly happen is if the stars were a projection a few thousand feet up. If that is your claim, then you are a lost soul who has drank the Kool-aid. We can tell stars are far, far, far away simply due to triangulation taken 6 months apart. We can see with our own eyes this is true. Now, if you forget your bull shit and admit stars are really, really, really far away, on a flat plane, no matter where you went, even to your laughable 'ice wall' of the Antarctic, you would HAVE to still see Polaris since it is so far above us all, it would never ever converge into your gay, fake ass horizon.
Any dip shit can say "everything is fake, life is a projection, the stars are not very far away" - that is the language of a low IQ moron, such as yourself. I told you to publish your 'research;' yet you will never because deep down you know you are wrong and would be laughed at by anyone with an education greater than grade 10. Yours is a simpleton view of the cosmos, whereas I, and all other sane people, know that the universe is neverending and massive. All celestial bodies are forced into a ball shape due to gravity, and no other object Hubble or any other telescope has ever, ever seen a flat disc planet simply leads to an undeniable conclusion that anyone that thinks we are on a flat plane is an imbecile that has no proof other than their stupid gay words that come out of their head.
BTW - I mention the Jews because of the OP post here dip shit, it's the kind of low-iq moronic self-loathing chit chat of a paranoid racist fuck wit. No fuck off and die coward. The planet does not need more morons and you are one of them. When you cock reaches your asshole, go fuck yourself and your flat plane earth. Simpleton.
There are some who claim this is the case. But actually the distance to them doesn’t matter. Perspective (which causes the “vanishing point” phenomenon which is the “reason” things that recede apparently converge with the horizon) is more to do with angular resolution / receptor density in our eyes. It doesn’t matter how far away it is - as long as we can see it.
Assumptions built on assumptions. Castles made of sand.
What if the earth does NOT move over that 6 month interval - and the difference in apparent position (used for stellar parallax) is then NOT caused by this believed (but utterly unempirical ie. unmeasured ie, unscientific) motion?
Evidence abounds, it is often the interpretation of that evidence which leads to incorrect conclusions.
We can see that the star’s apparent position moves slightly over a yearly interval. That is very different than all the (unvalidated) assumptions built beyond that evidence that you preach as gospel (because astronomers preached it to you as gospel first).
This is a common misunderstanding. It is analogous to the common “why can’t i see the eifel tower from the top of everest then?” nonsense.
There is more than one reason. One is perspective/angular resolution (causing apparent convergence with the horizon and vanishing because the object is too small to be resolved), and the other is there is a lot of stuff in the way (most notably air and the things dissolved/commingling in it) which as i said - tends to cause light to curve convexly towards the surface.
Anyone can say anything, dip-shit status not withstanding. But that doesn’t make them correct/incorrect. You claiming (parroting the claim, in point of fact) that the stars are unfathomable distances from us is a good example. In any case, i didn’t make any claim like that, so why don’t we talk about claims i actually made instead?
And i told you that i am, right now, to you. Look at your reaction to this publishing! Witness your belligerent disinterest and zealous faith in your own preferred “status quo”. I may “publish” something in some form in the future, but there is nothing wrong with starting small. One of the major reasons i engage in forums like this is to share (“publish”) my research to subject it to scrutiny in the hopes of refinement (including refutation!).
Lol, yes - so we are taught and required to repeat. It is not insane to conclude that what you have been conditioned to believe through rote under the guise of education from childhood is likely incorrect. Quite the opposite!
If gravity (gravitation specifically; gravity is a phenomenon and has been defined for thousands of years - it is demonstrably real) doesn’t exist, then it can’t force any bodies - celestial or otherwise - to take any shape.
Ad hominem is the last resort of the intellectually feeble. They attack the thinker out of desperation because they can’t attack the thought. Do better if you can!