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Wagner Chief Reveals 20,000 Of His Fighters Killed At Bakhmut, Says Putin's War Has Backfired (www.zerohedge.com)
posted 2 years ago by Questionable 2 years ago by Questionable +7 / -0
Wagner Chief Reveals 20,000 Of His Fighters Killed At Bakhmut, Says Putin's War Has Backfired 
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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– Mad_King_Kalak 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Looks like a play for more resources, the guy brings in the wins yet criticizes the boss. Brave fellow, hope he doesn't catch a case of radiation poisoning.

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– DregaN 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

RT says that nato lost 50,000..

https://www.rt.com/russia/576830-wagner-prigozhin-losses-artyomovsk/

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– deleted 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0
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– Eisenhorn 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

50000 NATO soldiers, 50 HIRMAS, 80 Gepards, and 200 Leopards.

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– Primate98 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

I feel confident this is maskirovka aimed at Ukraine and NATO. I've actually given up trying to figure out what it's supposed to make them think.

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– Questionable [S] 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

The subtext of the article is that the area has become militarized, creating hundreds of thousands of combat ready citizens. In a region that was formerly under attack from Ukraine. Resulting in an area that would be impossible to be retaken.

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– 2EyesOpen 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Flight of the Valkries

I have a saying that goes "Give me a name, and I'll tell you where you 'live'."

The choice of Wagner as name for a Russian company or force is oddly oxymoronic, Wagner being the hero of one A. Hidler.

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– lbrt 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Wagner lived way before Hitler. He made some great music. I do not care who liked it to judge his music. I like it, and i am conspiracy theorist.

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– 2EyesOpen 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

It's about Hitler's occult translation of the Norse pagan mythos behind many of Wagner's works.

Music is music. It can soothe the savage breast, or beat it like a drum calling for war.

I hate the term conspiracy theorist. I recognized the negative connotation to anyone doing investigation and research, when the term was coined just after JFK.

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– lbrt 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Ok, I am with you.

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– deleted 1 point 2 years ago +3 / -2
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– Questionable [S] 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I would guess, saturation of ammo type on the market, most trained with weapons for PMCs.

Barley related food for thought:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93-_r0w7ykI

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– Primate98 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

It would be good to have a positive identifications on the weapons they have, but I've mostly given up trying to figure out what's going on at that level of detail.

I mean, remember those early photos of recruits training with wooden cutout weapons? Okay, so Ukraine didn't have enough small arms for such a huge influx, right?

Wagner fighters for the first time showed the warehouses of Soviet weapons in the mines near Soledar (The Eastern Herald 4/30/2023)

“In warehouses, for example, there are 292 thousand boxes of PPSh, in each box there are 10 pieces, can you imagine what volumes, this is in addition to other weapons,” he said.

Nearly 3 million submachine guns? I wonder if those dupes at KelTec have ever come to regret sending them a bunch of their Sub-2000's?

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– alltheleavesarebrown 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Awol russians at the vodka section in the supermarket today.

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– Ep0ch 1 point 2 years ago +2 / -1

How many Ukrainians did he claim they killed? Since March was what figure?

How long was that battle, 9 months, or when are his claims from?

It directly contradicts the Pentagon's claims of killed from Dec, of course overall. But they claimed far more.

But what Bakhmut was used for was a big choke point. Due to its locality. It was effectively a trap funnelling combat into it, in order to wear down opposition laying claims to advances. Both sides used it for this purpose, disposing of thousands and thousands in the process. Tactics not seen since WWs with their modern flares of heavy urbanisation and technology.

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– Eisenhorn -1 points 2 years ago +2 / -3

Count down until Russkie shils claim that he's a lying Ukranian spy.

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– Ep0ch -1 points 2 years ago +1 / -2

Has he been benched? Sent to Antarctica, no, the Congo or somewhere? Seems ironic that there's probably more truth in it somewhere. I am sure he will be needed again there if those other reports are valid.

In grim reality that is staggering. It shows the other side is higher. They won. Despite the obvious costs. Although not quite as staggering when you consider Bakhmut's grim purposes. It was literally dog fighting for the sake of it.

I am still shocked by it with the arsenal's available. But they probably intended to trap and wear down any resolve.

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– Eisenhorn -1 points 2 years ago +2 / -3

You think that 20000 were worth conquering a pile of rubble?

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– lbrt 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

the ratio was in killing 2.4 Ukranians to 1 Wagner.

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– Eisenhorn -2 points 2 years ago +1 / -3

Says who?

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– Ep0ch 1 point 2 years ago +3 / -2

Do you think the other 50k were? Those are casualties. Injuries are what?

You misunderstood the concept. I had explained it. It was used as a choke point to halt advance from both sides. The locality is the connected interstate with surrounding fields of fire and heavy urbanisation center. It was the forward line. Where else were both sides pouring those numbers and bodies in.

Capturing and holding it, defeated the other side's objectives of advances.

I am shocked it took these tactics, but if you can imagine that many men plus all the rest and the equipment. It becomes rather epic that scale.

Those tactics I am still having difficulty imagining with all the weapons available. But it also presumably had a grim purpose of wearing away at the opposition simply to degrade their capability.

Stop being a twat. Down voting because you don't like what I said, like some stupid kid. Look do I? No. I don't care, it won't change my opinion. There you are like a baby. Literally ridiculous.

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