As ridiculous as FE seems, prima facie, until it's proven false, I keep my mind open to plausible explanations for why:
A) the moon landings were all fake and we've never "been back"
B) there are no actual photos of the entire earth from space (unless you believe the sizes of the continents are changing by 30-60% every decade or so)
C) the only people on earth that we give billions of dollars to, to go to space, are faking any, let alone much (or all) of the footage, using green screens, parabolic "zero gravity" flights, actual hair spray to make their hair stand up, underwater studios (unless you believe in air bubbles in space)
You might say "but these items have better explanations than FE". Well let's hear those theories also. Let's not shoot down those who are proposing an outlandish, yet mostly comprehensive, theory, one that explains these anomalies as well as a plethora of others, like how did they use radio frequencies that don't even purportedly bounce off the ionosphere to communicate hundreds of miles during WWII, how can the horizon be seen above an item whose entirety should be hidden behind it, why is Antarctica, aside from a tiny portion, entirely off limits to most civilians, how was Felix Baumgartner able to slowly float up to nearly 30 miles without drifting a thousand or more miles because of the earth's rotation, etc.
Suggestions that these things are not even worthy of discussion, on a forum dedicated to conspiracy theories, have to be disingenuous.
Original Research
Let's not also forget that FE researchers are literally the only conspiracy theorists doing original research. These people will buy lasers that cost thousands of dollars, cameras, etc., and go to some large body of water (large lakes, bays, etc.) where they can test their hypothesis with an actual experiment. Everything else I see on here is pure speculation, or videos of interviews involving various professionals with dubious backstories (Malone, etc.).
Does it Matter
Pertaining the "would it even matter" argument, you honestly don't need a lukewarm IQ to imagine how much it would matter, if FE was real.
Principles
Most of us are here because we couldn't speak freely elsewhere, because "hate has no place on our platform" type communist bullshit. Now we're going to make the same kind of rules, especially banning arbitrary content that is desired by a clear majority, on a platform with already-existing mechanisms for getting rid of low quality postd (downvoting, hiding)? If FE posts are banned, this place is no better than TGA, and don't even pretend to be pro constitution when you can't even stand up for free speech about a conspiracy theory in a conspiracy theory forum.
I'm out of here, for good, if FE is banned. Aside from spam, illegal, doxxing, banning has no place on our platform.
I agree. Huzzah! FE really gets us thinking about what we believe and WHY we believe it. It doesn’t matter if you think it’s true or you follow mainline cosmology, the ability to entertain an idea keeps us thinking and reasoning together.
Why can’t we question mainstream science? Why would we want to accept anything they say blindly with all we’ve seen just from the C19 scam?
>user has never posted to c/conspiracies before
Uh huh... lot of that going around these days....
Hello, I hang out at great awakening but decided to look for some other .win communities. Yes I lurked then today I posted for the first time. Sorry if newbies aren’t welcome here. I participate at great awakening without problems daily. Nice to meet you all too.
Just an odd topic to jump in on for your first contribution here. Especially now.
Seeing as how you've offered up the fact that you're also a qtard, it makes it even more suspicious.
Get over it I have a worthless degree in a subject that makes me interested in many earth topics.
Lurkers. Readers.
Old man is a shill.
Imagine being that dedicated to preserving the FE psyop.
Go fuck yourself fedboi
It's you! Mod alt!
Old man is a fed. Lol
No more wasting time with you dipshit.
Their opinion matters less than people actively trying to build the site and the community
Not than, TO the people running this website. The person speaking has an opinion worth reading, whether they post or not.
Off the rails. This place was great a week ago. Now we get rules. Great, more rules. When will your rules stop?
yeah you guys seem threatened by the fact that some of us come to the site but don't post a lot. no worries I will start calling you guys on your bullshit from now on
You and OP make a good case for reasoned discussion. I've never seen that happen here on this topic. All I've ever seen is monkeys flinging poo.
Maybe mods don't want to be kindergarten teachers.
Can you blame them, look at the other responses? I had to explain why I have never posted before and splain myself. It must be a trigger in this forum and that’s fine there are soooo many forums to read.
Yup. You may be aware that the handshake icon was first introduced so people would give a friendly welcome to newcomers. This isn't the only .win where it has the opposite effect ...
Here's the irony, and the best argument for banning FE: Flat Earthers are incapable of questioning.
If you notice, they never ask. It's always statements of fact: "globe earth is impossible because x", "no one has pictures from space", "the moon landing is fake" etc.
On top of this, they will never admit evidence against their viewpoint. Anytime you refute a point, the response is either "you don't understand FE" or "you worship the government".
Usually I don't like to generalize an entire group, but in this case it's appropriate because, if it weren't, they wouldn't beleive FE. FE can be disproven in about a million different ways, and has been. There's obviously stuff like flight plans, observed angles of the sun at different places, pictures from high altitudes (as low as tops of buildings) but even if all that is controlled by the globe earth conspirators, it's refuted by basic physics and even geometry.
They're here solely to push an agenda, for whatever reason. They add nothing to the debate except links to videos that use predictable tricks and logical phallacies to persuade, rather than convince.
No one here is accepting anything said by government blindly, that's a red herring. What's happening is that FEers are denying anything said by government blindly, then trying to justify it after the fact.
This isn't the act of rebellion they think it is, all this does is muddies the waters.
Whereas:
The term Conspiracy Theory was allegedly coined by the CIA in order to denigrate those who question the official narrative.
Therefore:
The idea of Flat Earth, I allege, is used also in order to denigrate those who associate with conspiracy theories, to dilute the quality of information here, to waste the time of those who question the official narrative.
in my opinion this is the best arguments for banning flat earth for sure. I don't believe it's origins are sincere in the least. nevertheless I have had the misfortune of meeting real people in the wild who actually believe it.
whether an idea is true or not, IMO, is less import than the ability to consider if the idea is true or not.
The first is believing based on being told. The second is self discovery.
A computer is accurate, but not wise.
That said, I agree that the more silly/obtuse conspiracy theory's are used to denigrate those more "serious" one, but the solution to that isn't to censor them, but to expose all theory to the rigorous examination.
Post iq, npc retard.
Post iq, npc retard.
I want to know who is behind the psyop. Why can't we question that?
Who said you can't?
I supported keeping them, but FE is objectively incorrect.
you're too dumb to talk about this topic
That seems like it would be a more useful waste of time rather than people just arguing about FE. If you are convinced it is just propaganda used to distract and discredit, as I lean, have people found where the newest batch of it actually reignited? I have seen that it was a big thing in the late 1800's(i think) as well as people were similarly rejecting everything that came from institutions.
I'd be interested in reading about that! I know free masonry was being corrupted at that time, and preachers were warning about those evils. Other than that I don't know much about the era.
jews made up the globe and shilled it in all of the entertainment.
jews and other anti white racists. They want to dumb down humanity and the best way to do that is the attack the white race. All the globetards are working for the jews for free, to sabotage the white race and humanity
"antivaxxers are incapable of questioning"
It's the same logic. banning the discussion of a conspiracy as a whole is overzealous and undermines the very foundation of this forum. What we should be doing is endeavoring to ban all bad faith discussion, which is a lot more difficult for sure.
Any ideas/suggestions?
Lots of “no”s - very few “here’s what could work instead”
it's definitely a tough one, but banning whole conversations is not the right answer.
I suppose one step would be to make the posting of ad-hominem a bannable offense. For example:
Person's A and B would be fine, as they are engaging in legitimate discussion. person C brings nothing of value to the discussion and only serves to stir emotions. person C, in my opinion should receive a warning or a ban.
yeah, do the research you retard, so you stop believing jews when they tell you the Earth is a globe
I never advocated for banning FE, I'm just pointing out the argument.
And yeah, if "anti-vaxxers" are posting "Vaccines cause autism", instead of asking if they cause autism or posting information suggesting the link, and they won't consider the alternative?
Ban 'em.
I think another layer of nuance needs to be introduced: if somebody has reason for "vaccines cause autism" to be the only topic they want to discuss yet can keep their comments in discussions where it belongs, I don't think they should be banned even if they aren't supporting every comment with links.
OTOH if they're injecting that everywhere, it's just spam at that point.
That's what FE has been here, although I can't speak to recently.
This is the first good faith discussion I've seen here on the topic, and notice that FE itself isn't even being discussed.
Here’s another suspect argument.
Ban.
Ban these shills.
They are all outing themselves.
Shut up, if you aren’t a shill all you’re doing is undermining the point of actual subversion by accusing everyone who disagrees with you.
post iq, npc retard
No, it doesn’t. It gets us thinking “these people, who are paid to post a proven government hoax on this website, are allowed to vote.” It gets us thinking that we need to find and kill them in real life. It gets us thinking about silencing ourselves because the guilt by association fallacy means we look retarded when standing next to flat earthers.
Why can’t you prove the earth is flat? Because it isn’t. You’re mentally ill. Burn in hell.