Although I don't think freemasonry was ever good and was always a violation of God, I think it became subverted by the illuminate around/shortly after the founding of the United States. I don't remember the source off the top of my head but I remember several founding fathers commenting on this subversion. Now it is outright lucifarianism.
Read "Satan Prince of This World" by William Guy Carr if you want to know more about the history of freemasonry, the synagogue of Satan (them who say they are jews, but are not), and the infiltration of freemasonry with Satanism corresponding with the founding of the illuminati.
Wasn't there like instances where whores would marry the local love and then it didn't count as adultery. Ben Franklin was a part of one such ceremony supposedly.
All humans have the capability to do good and to go against good. The founding fathers are like all men, complex, with good and bad qualities and decisions.
I’d say there’s plenty of good Freemasons but their overarching organization is very occult weird shit that I would say has some very dark influences.
I think no mere man or group of men should be idolized. The best men can fall to vice, and some men who have ducked up can redeem themselves.
I see the country the same way. If we let ourselves go, the country will also go with it. If we are good strong men, it’s the best way to have a good country.
The idea was to move away from the already corrupted church and was sold as freedom, which is a good thing, But the initially pure Christian beginnings got slowly turned into the Paganism throught the three centuries through genertions of deceit and manipulation. It was a necessary stage/step. My 2 cents and what the doc also mentions I think.
Seems like history rhyming. I was shocked to learn that Harvard was founded as a Christian institution to educate the clergy. Now it's almost the polar opposite of that. Even the small church down my old street celebrates the LGBT lifestyle.
It's a phenomenon as old as the Church (as evidenced by the letters to the churches in the New Testament and even Jesus' parable of the sower).
But the 'christian' stuff is also up for debate (considering how many denominations there are and historical controversy and questions about translation)
It's hard to say in any case what is what. People refer to other people's work to support their theories but none have lived it, so we are all born into ignorance.
Would.be nice if they sourced the quotes. I appreciate your post, but they are uncited and on a Christian site designed to sell stuff....not very convincing. I need the original sources of those quotes.
Understood! heres two sites where they have sources below quote. The first is non christian the second is christian but they do source. I went through a few CNN Nytimes articles on the founders they make whole assumptions and twist things based on their own modern liberal views. They have no quotes because It'll disprove themselves.
As is almost always the case, when we are meant to believe a situation is simple, it's actually complex (and the reverse). That's true in this situation as well. To substantiate that point and to begin to understand some of the complexity, I suggest starting here:
The New World Order imagery was not added until the 1935 re-design. In God We Trust wasn't added until the 1950s. If you look at older designs of paper money, which was then still backed by silver and gold, there's nothing to do with NWO or religion.
Who was taking full control by the 1930s via the Central Bank?
Life is merely sunlight that got trapped on the surface of the planet. It roils and boils, but there's no objective reason to prefer one orientation over another.
Not all were free mason, like Chares Carroll. Free mansonry is evil, though, but since not all the founding fathers were free masons, nor were all free masonry ideas part of the founding, thus it doesn't make the all founding fathers evil.
This is the same shitty augment the left uses about slavery. Some founders owned slaves, so all founders are therefore bad. It's shitty logic.
In analyzing many things it is good to consider the differences between societies in older times, and now. When the world was simpler, maybe freemasonry had different aims. There is no question current freemasonry is corrupt and subverted, but maybe what it was at the time of the founding fathers was different.
Then really we should be asking what corrupted the forces of they were once different. Also, if a group is corrupted it is not necessarily bad - because the symbols are changed and it's not the group, the name maybe but not the aims. So we really should acknowledge that and not ignore such impacts
Freemasons have official 33 degrees(levels) of people, 32 of whom have no clue what they are worshiping.
The very nature of freemasonry is satanic, egyptian, occult, etc. Observe all of their signs, symbols, pyramids, obelisks, any masonry. What does a pyramid has to do with the US?
This "founded" land was filled with the blood of Indians. Are you really asking whether it was good or bad? How about the slavery afterwards? Land of the free? Certainly the Indians and Africans would disagree.
a) shaping the consenting will of others by use of suggested information implies one to represent a mason of free (will of choice). Building walls of suggested information within the memories of those who ignore to adapt to perceivable inspiration represents masonry.
b) suggested "founding father" represents a sleight of hand for perceivable fathering foundation...as form (life) within the momentum of flow (inception towards death), flow represents the father (generator of life), momentum represents the mother (matrix, womb), while "trans"muted form through SEX, noun [Latin seco, to divide.] - "the distinction between male and female". Hence FE(minine)MALE + WO(mb)MAN...represents the children.
c) consenting (want or not want) to suggested information shapes the conflict of reason (want versus not want), which those suggesting then rebrand into for example good vs bad.
Although I don't think freemasonry was ever good and was always a violation of God, I think it became subverted by the illuminate around/shortly after the founding of the United States. I don't remember the source off the top of my head but I remember several founding fathers commenting on this subversion. Now it is outright lucifarianism.
Read "Satan Prince of This World" by William Guy Carr if you want to know more about the history of freemasonry, the synagogue of Satan (them who say they are jews, but are not), and the infiltration of freemasonry with Satanism corresponding with the founding of the illuminati.
Checking it out, thanks!
Wasn't there like instances where whores would marry the local love and then it didn't count as adultery. Ben Franklin was a part of one such ceremony supposedly.
Ya I could believe Ben Franklin was early illuminate
I believe in objective morality.
All humans have the capability to do good and to go against good. The founding fathers are like all men, complex, with good and bad qualities and decisions.
I’d say there’s plenty of good Freemasons but their overarching organization is very occult weird shit that I would say has some very dark influences.
I think no mere man or group of men should be idolized. The best men can fall to vice, and some men who have ducked up can redeem themselves.
I see the country the same way. If we let ourselves go, the country will also go with it. If we are good strong men, it’s the best way to have a good country.
Bad. Watch Belly of the beast doc and judge for yourself.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/tSwqvq8V1yrN/
The idea was to move away from the already corrupted church and was sold as freedom, which is a good thing, But the initially pure Christian beginnings got slowly turned into the Paganism throught the three centuries through genertions of deceit and manipulation. It was a necessary stage/step. My 2 cents and what the doc also mentions I think.
Seems like history rhyming. I was shocked to learn that Harvard was founded as a Christian institution to educate the clergy. Now it's almost the polar opposite of that. Even the small church down my old street celebrates the LGBT lifestyle.
It's a phenomenon as old as the Church (as evidenced by the letters to the churches in the New Testament and even Jesus' parable of the sower).
But the 'christian' stuff is also up for debate (considering how many denominations there are and historical controversy and questions about translation)
It's hard to say in any case what is what. People refer to other people's work to support their theories but none have lived it, so we are all born into ignorance.
https://christianheritagefellowship.com/christian-quotes-from-the-founding-fathers-2/ heres a site with many of their quotes.
Would.be nice if they sourced the quotes. I appreciate your post, but they are uncited and on a Christian site designed to sell stuff....not very convincing. I need the original sources of those quotes.
Understood! heres two sites where they have sources below quote. The first is non christian the second is christian but they do source. I went through a few CNN Nytimes articles on the founders they make whole assumptions and twist things based on their own modern liberal views. They have no quotes because It'll disprove themselves.
https://www.azquotes.com/quotes/topics/founding-fathers-christian.html
https://wallbuilders.com/founding-fathers-jesus-christianity-bible/#FN20
That last one is good, thanks, I always like references to the primary sources so I can check them and confirm them.
As is almost always the case, when we are meant to believe a situation is simple, it's actually complex (and the reverse). That's true in this situation as well. To substantiate that point and to begin to understand some of the complexity, I suggest starting here:
George Washington Warned of the Illuminati
To the gazelle, the lion is bad for trying to eat him. To the lion, the gazelle is bad for trying to escape and starve the lion.
There is no good and bad, only live and die. There is no gain or loss: the life lost by the gazelle is life gained by the lion.
The founders were bad from the perspective of the hungry and poor Brits. The founders were good from the perspective of the hungry and poor Americans.
The New World Order imagery was not added until the 1935 re-design. In God We Trust wasn't added until the 1950s. If you look at older designs of paper money, which was then still backed by silver and gold, there's nothing to do with NWO or religion.
Who was taking full control by the 1930s via the Central Bank?
There's your answer.
Yes there are.....just the ones who show up at your gates usually claim they want to be there.....
Life is merely sunlight that got trapped on the surface of the planet. It roils and boils, but there's no objective reason to prefer one orientation over another.
Not all were free mason, like Chares Carroll. Free mansonry is evil, though, but since not all the founding fathers were free masons, nor were all free masonry ideas part of the founding, thus it doesn't make the all founding fathers evil.
This is the same shitty augment the left uses about slavery. Some founders owned slaves, so all founders are therefore bad. It's shitty logic.
Why not ask a question that isn’t a fallacy instead?
The only relevant questions:
It didn’t.
No.
This doc will answer your questions.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tzKqVtu6C5s&feature=youtu.be
Also was freemasonry ultimate the same during our founding as it is today?
Maybe they were good then turned bad?
Like how the deep state waits for tech companies to become big then infiltrate them
But conspiracy over-thinkers assume everything was engineered from the get-go
This makes sense to me. The group was (relatively) new at the time
It is weird that they said "Creator" in the Declaration of Independence instead of Great Architect of the Universe.
Secret Mysteries of America's Beginning
In analyzing many things it is good to consider the differences between societies in older times, and now. When the world was simpler, maybe freemasonry had different aims. There is no question current freemasonry is corrupt and subverted, but maybe what it was at the time of the founding fathers was different.
Then really we should be asking what corrupted the forces of they were once different. Also, if a group is corrupted it is not necessarily bad - because the symbols are changed and it's not the group, the name maybe but not the aims. So we really should acknowledge that and not ignore such impacts
Freemasons have official 33 degrees(levels) of people, 32 of whom have no clue what they are worshiping.
The very nature of freemasonry is satanic, egyptian, occult, etc. Observe all of their signs, symbols, pyramids, obelisks, any masonry. What does a pyramid has to do with the US?
This "founded" land was filled with the blood of Indians. Are you really asking whether it was good or bad? How about the slavery afterwards? Land of the free? Certainly the Indians and Africans would disagree.
Judge the tree by its fruit.
a) shaping the consenting will of others by use of suggested information implies one to represent a mason of free (will of choice). Building walls of suggested information within the memories of those who ignore to adapt to perceivable inspiration represents masonry.
b) suggested "founding father" represents a sleight of hand for perceivable fathering foundation...as form (life) within the momentum of flow (inception towards death), flow represents the father (generator of life), momentum represents the mother (matrix, womb), while "trans"muted form through SEX, noun [Latin seco, to divide.] - "the distinction between male and female". Hence FE(minine)MALE + WO(mb)MAN...represents the children.
c) consenting (want or not want) to suggested information shapes the conflict of reason (want versus not want), which those suggesting then rebrand into for example good vs bad.