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ROE V. WADE OVERTURNED (twitter.com)
posted 3 years ago by axolotl_peyotl 3 years ago by axolotl_peyotl +20 / -1
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– deleted 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0
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– Skyrison 3 points 3 years ago +4 / -1

dont care about literally ANYTHING ELSE about what trump did. he got 3 conservative judges on the supreme court. do NOT care about ANYTHING ELSE. and he packed the lower courts too. that's IT.

do NOT care about any other arguments LOL

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– TurnToGodNow 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

I do care, but I'm going to give Trump credit for this, God used him for this imho.

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– Dspsblyuth -1 points 3 years ago +1 / -2

Right and wrong isn’t really important. The ramifications of this will be immense

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– VanillaBean 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

The right is just as retarded as the left, imagine thinking that the government never engages in psyops and manipulations targeted specifically at you, imagine thinking the only trickery tactics are the ones that work on left but didn't work on you, that is the level of retardation you can find here

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– Dspsblyuth 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Are you talking about me or the gaggle of posters on here?

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– dukey 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Watch the blue hair mob freak out

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– Dorktron4Runner 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Mostly peaceful coping and seething incoming.

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– Skyrison 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

LEFTISTS ARE VERY PEACEFUL PEOPLE!

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– Mad_King_Kalak 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Power goes back to the states to regulate as they will. States are divided about 2/3 pro-life and 1/3 pro-death.

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– SuicideTruthbomber 5 points 3 years ago +6 / -1

Could this be due to the possibility of an inevitable, precipitous drop in population?

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– Dspsblyuth 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Ya think?

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 3 points 3 years ago +9 / -6

And with this, a major precedent for the right to bodily autonomy is gone. Vaccine mandates incoming the moment Biden's so called next pandemic hits.

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– deleted 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0
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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 3 points 3 years ago +4 / -1

State and local mandates are here, but there's no federal mandate despite their best efforts.

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– RentFreeCrisisAct 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

Like every possible avenue available.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 5 points 3 years ago +7 / -2

Abortion was never a precedent for bodily autonomy. Second, there are 2 bodies involved with an abortion, not one.

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– Junionthepipeline 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

That was litterly the argument. This is a loss

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– Mad_King_Kalak 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Except for the baby, you'd suppose.

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 1 point 3 years ago +5 / -4

RvW used bodily autonomy as the justification for abortion protection. The courts saw it as one body.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 5 points 3 years ago +7 / -2

No, they didn't. They made the decision of Roe on a right to privacy, not bodily autonomy. In fact, the only SCOTUS decision on vaccine mandates, was that the poor fellow had to take the shot or pay a fine. The guy paid the $5 fine and walked.

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic -2 points 3 years ago +3 / -5

Privacy/autonomy are basically the same thing in this context.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 4 points 3 years ago +6 / -2

No, they are not, when the constitutional basis for the decisions are miles apart.

Roe was decided though the substantive due process clause of the 14th amendment as a mechanism. The Court at the time said that a right to privacy existed in the constitution, though it doesn't exist in any amendment or text of the thing. This made up right to privacy was what they used to decide Roe.

The Supreme Court in the vaccine mandate case (Jacobson in 1905), which has never been overturned, and which was decided upon decades prior to Roe, the Court ruled that under the state's "police power" it can force you to get an injection against your will.

Now, rhetorically, you may be correct, but as a matter of law and case precedent, you're wrong.

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– freedomlogic 3 points 3 years ago +4 / -1

https://verdict.justia.com/2020/11/24/mandatory-vaccination-and-the-future-of-abortion-rights

Consider the 1992 Supreme Court decision in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which characterized the abortion right first recognized in Roe v. Wade as protecting “bodily integrity, with doctrinal affinity to cases recognizing limits on governmental power to mandate medical treatment or to bar its rejection.” As that quotation suggests, “bodily integrity” is a somewhat awkward way of referring to the right to control what goes into or out of one’s body.

Should the right to bodily integrity also protect against mandatory vaccination? We might be tempted to distinguish some of the bodily integrity cases as involving only paternalistic justifications for intrusions. One has a right to avoid unwanted medical care because it is, after all, one’s own health and life at stake. By contrast, mandatory vaccination aims to protect not only the person to be vaccinated but the community that would benefit from herd immunity.

Sounds very likely (to me) that ditching roe v wade would be the first step in repealing these protections. The author even goes on to state it, what a pretentious asshole.

Can abortion prohibitions and mandatory vaccination nonetheless be distinguished? Perhaps they don’t need to be. With Justice Amy Coney Barrett’s recent confirmation having cemented a conservative majority on the Supreme Court, perhaps the abortion right will soon be overruled. If so, Jacobson’s holding allowing mandatory vaccination would no longer be inconsistent with Roe because Roe would be no more.

But don’t count on it. Even if a newly energized conservative Court overrules Roe, it is likely to retain some constitutional protection for bodily integrity.

So long as abortion rights remain on the books, we could reconcile them with the permissibility of mandatory vaccination in two main ways....

How do these people sleep at night having sold their souls for a few dollars. Like a baby prolly.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Related, as a matter of precedent, the Court has never overruled their decision that the government has the power to forcibly sterilize you. This was from Buck vs Bell.

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– Michalusmichalus 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

The argument about when life begins hasn't been settled.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

Scietifically, it's a human being. Just not a fully developed one, just as a baby isn't fully developed either.

The question is when is "personhood".

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– justified_paranoia 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Just a reminder that abortion will remain legal in many states, and the only way to be bothered by this is to be so consumed by evil that you believe babies need to be murdered everywhere continuously.

Stay mad lefties

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– nc777 1 point 3 years ago +2 / -1

Hoe's mad

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– Merkava_4 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

What the hell is "reproductive freedom" supposed to mean?

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– Lehh 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I was thinking about this yesterday - the definition seems to be nearly the exact opposite of what those two words mean together in a sentence. Real life newspeak if you ask me.

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– Michalusmichalus 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

This shouldn't be political. Women are half the population, and regardless of their party woman's reproductive health just took a serious blow right in the middle of the, " birthing people" bullshit.

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– Dspsblyuth -1 points 3 years ago +1 / -2

Are you people blind?

More unwanted children gives the government a “reason” to create more wards of the state and indoctrinate them. 1-2 generations and it’s over

Pro-life/death/choice does not really matter in the end. People can’t afford children due to the price manipulations so inevitable they become property of the state which in its current status quo should not be in charge of anything

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– Dspsblyuth -1 points 3 years ago +1 / -2

Who’s going to take care of all the unwanted babies? The government?

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– TurnToGodNow 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

You

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– Dspsblyuth 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Maybe the gov can take custody and collect them all on farms

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