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posted ago by snowthunder69 ago by snowthunder69 +15 / -1

I've seen a lot of reasons for not getting the vaccine, but I've become over-saturated with information so when someone asks why I don't want it I don't know what answer will satisfy them. Also I am terrible at giving arguments. What is something so undeniable you can show to other people? Maybe even convince them not to get the vaccine themselves?

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jubyeonin 10 points ago +10 / -0

It's all BS. I don't need to defend myself. If it's a conversation someone wants to have and that person is not hostile, then we can have that conversation. Fighting NPCs on logic is counterproductive. It's better to drop hints and keep moving so that others who could be open to conversation hear this and remain open-minded.

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user20461 4 points ago +4 / -0

Agreed, we really don't have to explain our rights, and we shouldn't if we're pressed to, either.

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Dorktron4Runner 7 points ago +7 / -0

Yeah, there are quite a few angles to go with that won’t necessarily please everyone.

From a personal perspective, I’ve never taken any vaccines and try to live as naturally as realistically possible.

From a religious perspective, aborted fetal cell lines were used in the development of these vaccines.

From a scientific perspective, vaccines, particularly COVID shots, have not been proven effective and over 2 million (as reported by a biased organization like the WHO) adverse injuries and deaths have been recorded.

From a business (or maybe ethics) perspective, the companies who make these vaccines are protected from litigation for these injuries and deaths.

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ghost_of_aswartz 7 points ago +8 / -1

I have an immune condition already and cannot take any more insults to my immune system or my brain (already had a major and minor stroke); I fear this injection might kill me or seriously injure me and I'm not willing to take that risk

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ghost_of_aswartz 6 points ago +6 / -0

I'd rather take the risk with boosting immune system and being exposed to wild coronavirus

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Husky 6 points ago +6 / -0

The thing you have to know about "convincing" other people if that they don't play by the same rules as you. Particularly left versus right. They don't make logical arguments. They have no impact even you make them. If you're committed to making arguments with perople that have accepted the brainwashing about the shot, make nothing but emotional arguments. Anything else is wasted.

But. Honestly, don't even bother. Go to explanation is "none of your business."

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user20461 2 points ago +2 / -0

Great point. Very few (if any) are actually interested in an intellectual conversation.

I would say the left operates on emotions, but I've learned that it's really just programming from whatever their triber leaders are pushing at that time and moment.

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Socialismsuckz 4 points ago +4 / -0

•no proof it works better then anti bodies

•99.9 % survival rate for my age group

•rna vaccines have never been used or tested long term in humans

•failed animal trials / they were stopped

•more vaccine side effects and deaths have been reported in the last year then the last 30 years!

•can still spread and get COVID, sounds like if it works at all we are just making super spreaders that spread it not knowing... isn’t that one of the reasons healthy people were supposed to wear masks?

•don’t trust big pharma

•we need a large control group

•don’t want to be a part of getting people fired for not getting the vax.... vaxxed people are on the wrong side of history especially if they think everyone needs to follow what they do through coercion.

•possibly is messing up immune system and making vaxxed weaker and more susceptible to illness

Edit: These are just my non conspiracy theory reasons!

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k2x4b 3 points ago +3 / -0

"I don't trust it." hasn't met any resistance from any one I've been asked by so far.

If anyone probed further I'd be more than happy to remind them to mind their own fucking business.

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HeyJesusBringMeABeer 3 points ago +3 / -0

Just Say No.

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FBoysInc 3 points ago +3 / -0

I like to point out the instances where people I've known (or relative's friends) have had adverse reactions to it. In two cases, people died.

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Smokerstar 3 points ago +3 / -0

Ask them why they want it when it neither protects or prevents transmission to others and ask if they know % of hospitalised fully vaxxed in countries with the highest vax rate . Also why they trust the pcr tests and ultimately why they trust their governments and big pharma when both have criminal track records. Ask them when the next avian flu or swine flu outbreak happens are they willing to shut the world down til a vaxx is concocted and how many boosters they are willing to take and whether there is a maximum number. Have them do all the talking and shoot down every one of their points. Fuck'n sheep don't know anything but doing what they're told.

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the-new-style 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'm a data analyst, I looked at the data. I want to be wrong but I've been right about everything so far.

Everyone still thinks I'm nuts.

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Koolzero 3 points ago +3 / -0

I told someone I have worked with for over 14 years and considered a friend. We were out to lunch not too long ago, he was vaxxed, and I said that I wasn’t going to vax because of many reasons but one was that I had been diagnosed with a fistula many years ago and I was afraid of a blood clot and my acquaintance said but did your dr tell you not to take it because of that? My doctors office is not even giving out the vaccines. Prior to this event, I got an email from my drs office saying to go to any jab center and take the vaccine without even first consulting with your dr.

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arjunas1 2 points ago +2 / -0

LIFE.

i enjoyz it.

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603win 2 points ago +2 / -0

“Why do you not want the vax?” is a shit question. The better question is “what would you need to hear to change your mind?”

For me, it’s one simple thing: I would need to see a good randomized controlled trial with a large number of participants where it was demonstrated that the all-cause mortality rate was decreased in the vaccine group in a statistically significant fashion. Preferably over a period measured in years.

I do not give a shit about how effective the vaccines are at preventing COVID cases. I care that a medical treatment provably improves my health.

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ApparentlyImAHeretic 2 points ago +2 / -0

Medical exemption due to previous vaccine injury.

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IGOexiled 2 points ago +2 / -0
  • Because Tuskegee and thalidomide.

  • Because Auschwitz and Siberian gulags.

  • Because Heaven's Gate and Jonestown.

  • Because Ruby Ridge and Waco.

  • Because 9/11 and Las Vegas.

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Fuckshit69 2 points ago +2 / -0

Marek’s Disease, leaky vaccines, if it doesn’t actually stop transmission and I’m healthy what is my incentive to take it.

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CrazyRussian 2 points ago +2 / -0

What is something so undeniable you can show to other people?

I have no need to use it. Just like a man have no need to use Tampax monthly.

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2020voter 2 points ago +2 / -0

If only I had more points to give you!! Best response! :)

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user20461 1 point ago +1 / -0

t I don't know what answer will satisfy them.

That's a losing game, brother. Don't ever go in expecting to satisfy them and you shouldn't have to satisfy anyone else, either.

There's already a lot of great answers given, so I'll share one that hasn't been given:

It doesn't work. And if it doesn't work, then why should I take it?

You can follow that up by telling them you take a prophylactic, instead.

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PaperInk 1 point ago +1 / -0

Religious reasons. I believe the Bible is God's words and it states.

Galatians 5:19-21; The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Sorceries and witchcraft is just modern medicine and vaccines.

Some people laugh when I tell them the quote. "witchcraft, lol bro this is 2021."

Obviously the Bible isn't going to say vaccines, because the Bible was written a long time ago. So..

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Roleplaypete 1 point ago +1 / -0

"Im not afraid of the vax. I am afraid of government tyranny. If I dont make a stand, how can I expect my children or students to ever to? The vax isnt the issue. The vax is just the line in the sand."

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Fresno_Nightcrawler 1 point ago +1 / -0

That they are neither safe (Graphene oxide, spike proteins, ADE), effective (no effect on transmissibility, breakthrough cases), nor necessary (HCQ, Ivermectin, Vit C/D, Zinc/Quercetin)

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GlamourSpork 1 point ago +1 / -0

I try to avoid explaining it.

For an official work explanation, I went the religious route (which is entirely true but it's not something I discuss with anyone other than my closest friends) and I just hope it won't be publicized.

For a more personal explanation to someone I remotely trust, I explain my previous vax injuries and that I'm not going to corrupt my immune system with further applications of something that is likely to harm me. Most people are surprised to meet someone that knows they were vax injured - I was 17, so it was obvious to me and my mom. Most damage seems to be with very young children who can't talk about it or remember what it was like before the damage. Ever since it happened to me and I fought with doctors and the like, I have done a ton of research but I don't discuss that part unless they are truly curious. In that case I can recommend a couple of books and YouTube videos that aren't just rants.

I am also a huge believer in autonomy. Everyone should be able to decide for themselves without mandates or coercion what goes in their body. It was one of the thing I looked forward to most when I turned 18 and became an 'adult.' I had control of what therapies and medications and the like.

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Dicyanin2C 1 point ago +1 / -0

What are the benefits?

A.) Will it stop a person from getting the virus? Answer: No

B.) Well it stop a person from spreading the virus? Answer: No

Bonus Points

If it doesn't stop you from contracting the virus, and it doesn't stop you from spreading the virus, then how come if your vaccinated your allowed to not wear a facemask? (That's the "rule" at my current job)

Answer: So people are easily shunned by the covidiots and coerced into getting the shot. It's nothing more than a VISUAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL reminder everywhere you go that were in the "new normal". The masks themselves serve absolutely no medical service at all, in fact their a detriment to a healthy individual.

After reviewing the other answers here the best one in my opinion is "None of your business" or to cite the first coin ever minted in the United States for the United States... MIND YOUR BUSINESS

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ABrainDisease 1 point ago +1 / -0

When people ask why you don't, spin it on them and ask them why you should.

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Candelabro 1 point ago +1 / -0

"I think talking about this is unprofessional" when its work. I'm lucky no mandates have breached my job (very unlikely unless absolutely required, I'm my companies only laser operator)

If a personal friend/family member, "I know how to read"

I've lost a few friends, really close ones, fuck em. They left when shit got tough and I've always been outspoken against fascism. Real fascism. Not double speak anti-fascism.

When pressed I've offered sources and links. Have gotten one to oppose the jab outright, and one who already won't take it is now stocking extra supplies.

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brain_implant 1 point ago +1 / -0

Remember there is no onus on you to explain this to others. Sometimes you should partake in this conversation, most of the time you shouldn't. Often you can turn around the question on them:

"First, can you tell me why you got it? What did your doctor say when you consulted before taking it?"

Plot twist: vast majority of people did NOT consult their doctor before taking it. Why should you listen to them about a vaccine, when, they are not an expert, and they didn't even consult an expert? When you drill down, you'll find out that most people took it because the TV told them to get it.

In fact you can probably find a doctor who will verbally advise against taking it. If that happens you have a massive leg up on people who didn't even talk to a doctor first.

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Epicsoundwaves 1 point ago +1 / -0

If it's a quick conversation and I won't see that person again, I just say "I just have too many questions that need to be answered before I'm comfortable taking it!" I literally have a list on my phone of questions I need answers to hahaha

If they ask me to divulge, I start with "my school is making everyone wear masks, even the vaccinated, but only non vaccinated people need to be tested weekly, even those with natural antibodies. Why aren't we talking about natural antibodies? It's been close to 2 years. Tell me why they aren't accepting proof of antibodies".

Then go on to "99.9% survival rate" and "I already had it and it wasn't half as bad as whatever I had in January 2020"

Then I talk about how it was rushed through too quick, I want to see long term ramifications. Then i explain I want to get pregnant and don't want to take any risks. Then I bring up the 40k dead from the vaccine that wouldn't have statistically died from covid. Then I talk about treatments that exist and ask why they're hiding them.

If none of that works I explain with my autoimmune disorder my doctor wants me to hold off on all vaccines 😅

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fuckthatt 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't need to talk to you about my personal medical decisions.

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Junionthepipeline 0 points ago +1 / -1

I dont have to explain and will not explain