Thanks to everyone that participated in the nomination thread, and thanks to u/Graphenium and u/clemaneuverers for the suggestion!
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Thanks to everyone that participated in the nomination thread, and thanks to u/Graphenium and u/clemaneuverers for the suggestion!
This guy knows his stuff.. love all the analogies he uses for why the pcr test is BS .. ive been anti vax for a long time but this video definitely turned me into a straight germ theory denier ..Would be curious to know what to do with this info in light of the mrna shot containing emf emiting "hydrogel" particles..is aiding the body in detoxification all that can be done? I get that this virus is fake but the synthetic spike proteins and the evidence that they are transmissable to non jabbed people seem like a real threat
They're flat earth faggots and you have no idea what you're talking about
Are you a shill?
A little harsh but youre of course entitled to your opinion. I see no flat earthery here
There's no opinion. The video is by (space Busters) flat earthers. They use the same tactics and there are shills using shill tactics here discussing it
Means you're gay
Can you explain it without lying about cell structure and mold growth?
I'm sorry, but I just finished the video and this guy is a complete dumbass. I've seen germs with my own eyes, and bacteria and viruses, etc. He is completely wrong about how they don't exist.
The better explanation is that we all get sick, right?
The government just charges us money to get a placebo vaccine historically.
Now, this is a new vaccine that has more of an ability to control cells and they want control + profit.
Occam's razor here people. We've all gotten sick and we all know greedy fucks. Now combine the two and we get our current situation.
I think one of the most important aspects that science has yet to resolve is the balance between germ theory and terrain theory. These two aspects both contribute to sickness. To say that germ theory reigns supreme is pretty outlandish because we know for a fact that better terrains help prevent the contraction of disease. The health of the organism also helps prevent disease.
The most interesting take of the documentary from my perspective is that cells consist of nearly indestructible organic material. It's like this for all living organisms. Once the cell dies, this organic material waits until it can be in an environment to become a living cell again. He talked about how the bible refers to it as dust.
Another thing, that I took away was that Toxemia, is possibly a significant aspect of disease contraction. How much, that's up for speculation. There's so many interesting things regarding this field, a few contradictions. For example, a significant portion of your body consists of what is known as the virome. The virome essentially helps the cells perform bodily functions. Then there's the fact that most viruses between living organisms aren't contagious. This means that a virus inside of a different organism isn't capable of commandeering a different organisms cell, typically.
I could go on, but there's so much to take away from that documentary.
It appears that people do not want us talking about this, sharing resources. Even on POL, this topic gets moved by the mods.
I belive we should always be able to communicate freely. I belive in God, but I root myself in reality until he gives me definite proof. No man knows the hour nor the day...
you missed the point completely if you're comparing bacteria and viruses. One exists and one doesn't.
COVID doesn't exist. Good luck as you plunge further down the rabbit hole!
You're right. I have said that over and over again. Covid is just the cold/flu with a name slapped on it.
The only "proof" offered are lies about cell structure and mold spores.
https://web.archive.org/web/20181226012426/https://secretsun.blogspot.com/2010/11/project-blue-beam-exposed.html
And it's hard to take someone seriously when they think bluebeam isnt a complete psyop. Are there any actual UFO nerds here, or just flat earth window lickers?
Seeing them and knowing what they are doing are different things. For viruses I can't fault the logic. Bacterial infection can still be real, the question is a matter of perspective on what is invading..
He didn't just refer to viruses. He said germs don't exist. Believe what you want, you aren't going to convince me.
It's sad because it hardly matters.
I bet all of these fell into deaf ears.
Humanity surrendering its values and becoming extinct is a future and is inevitable.
No amount of warnings or small gatherings of consciousness will change this.
Mark my words, you will need it. Your future generation (If you really think there is one) will need it.
u/davidcoleintrepid
Pinging you here so that an actually discussion can take place, in this thread dedicated to discussion, without the baggage of your earlier comments.
I don’t think they claim that viruses are dead cells, my understanding of their argument was that when cells in “diseased” tissue (aka tissue suffering toxicosis) die, the body, as part of its homeostatic “clean up operations”, collects this toxic refuse (poisonous substances, and rotting flesh), and bundles it up in what have heretofore been called “viruses”, to aid in flushing it from the body without spreading the waste around and causing further negative effects. This is the thesis of the video, and you will need to actually see their argument in order to have an informed discussion.
Regarding the claims about mold, I think they are just recontextualizing something that everyone acknowledges, which is that “rot” begins inside a dead (cell/animal), from the microflora naturally present which can now reproduce without the restraint normally imposed by a living beings immune system.
Hi fren, I'm not watching the video, but from your description it sounds like they are conflating necrosis/autophagy/apoptosis pathways with viruses. Viruses do exist and can induce cell death, but they do a ton of other cool stuff too.
(Used to be a virologist before I got a job that doesn't pay slave wages lol)
Huh well I think you could offer some really interesting insights and help elucidate if the subjects/specifics they advance have any practical or theoretical applications, I hope you check it out when you get a chance.
I'll get around to it eventually. But since I'm your alt now, maybe I've already seen it? ?
Oof. I got 10 minutes in and couldn't take it anymore. We could spend a year talking about all the reasons he is wrong.
Is there any specific point you found interesting? I'm happy to share my experience working with viruses and cells with you if you'd be into an alternate perspective.
Given your expertise, you might actually be able to answer a question that’s been pressing lately:
Are you caught up on the issue of “isolating” SARS CoV2? Especially the conspiracy angle, which is that only blended mixtures of genes have been recovered which get sequenced VIA a schematic of SARS CoV1? That’s covered in depth in the video near the mid point, basically what they’re doing could be done on any genetic sample, because they’re just re-ordering tiny segments into to match the overall pattern (like those portraits made of hundreds of smaller portraits selected by a computer to conform to the programmed color gradient instructions). Basically I’d appreciate your take on the question of “have we isolated this virus?” And the associated concerns.
I really think you should watch the whole thing, the first 10 minutes are like the abstract or the overview, where the video tells you in advance the (shocking, for sure) conclusions that will end up being drawn, but with none of the evidence yet. The topics of 1917 influenza research (and their inability to observe human to human transmission no matter how hard they tried) and also “terrain theory” as it has come to be known, which gets talked about in detail during the end of the doc are particularly interesting to me, but honestly I found myself going from more to less apprehension about the ideas as they were able to show the evidence behind the claims made at the start. Regardless, thanks
So for your question about isolating the virus, the simple answer is we have the tools to do it, but either through incompetence or dastardliness (is that a word?), I doubt that we have. I also think its inconsequential at this point, bc the govt has thrown out every standard of traditional virology, immunology, and epidemiology. You don't even need to believe a conspiracy to be outraged at the sheer lack of actual science.
When you're constructing a sequence de novo, the bioinformatic algorithms are different than those where you're comparing a sequence to something already sequenced in the database. (Used to work for a genomics company too lol)... I'll see if I can dig up some papers that may help explain the process better for you and give you an idea of what really goes into it.
I'll try to flip through the vid to the flu and terrain, bc I'm curious what he has to say about that. But I stopped at 10 minutes bc he doesn't even know where in the cell a protein is made, I can't really take him seriously. And that's just basic cell bio, not even all the other outlandish and unsourced claims he made.
I noticed some of this too. I haven't watched much yet. Let's do some study and find a better comprehensive video.
Greetings, no link or "comprehensive video" but you seem to miss denovo, ie. "from scratch" sequencing as it occured with covid and many others. To reuse your analogy, my understanding of an Alumina mechanical sequencer is that rather than build the portrait made of hundreds of smaller portraits based on an algorithm, imagine the image, actually a bunch of this original image, already existed but has been snipped in to bits of a random size a little bigger than the "small portraits". By doing lots of sequencing, or what would be grabbing the cut up bits and reading the pixels that make them up, even with errors, you can sort of put the original image back together based on the mathematical process of overlap. Some bits will contain overlapping segments because the bits don't come from just ONE image of the full portrait, but from a bunch of those portraits all cut up in to random bits. Its the overlap which allows a machine to read in and then analyze the most likely original, even considering an error rate in reading in the chopped-bits. This also means you can have other sequences of some stuff mixed in and still sort it out, at least that is my understanding of the basic mathematics. This also means you don't have to fully "isolate" since all you have to have is bits of DNA of sufficient length, read them in quick without too many errors, and rest can be done in software using math.
Dude. Save yourself. Whatever it is that you think I'm supposed to do or not do, apply it to your own life. Stop waiting for weirdos on the internet to save you from societal collapse.
As for me, there are more important things in life that butting heads against ppls biases on the internet. If one doesn't believe classical textbooks written by men far more educated than I was, one isn't going to believe me. I'd rather spend my time on things that matter more.
However, if there is something specific you'd like to discuss, let me know. I don't want to take the time away from other things in my life to write a treatise against everything wrong with a video. But we can talk about whatever you want to. Pick something. Intellectually lazy or a better steward of the currency of life? Eh.
I left that world behind bc it was the most miserable 5 years of my life. So as far as conspiracies go, if its bad, I'd believe academia and pharma has done it. Med students are entitled morons who need to practice for a reason, yet still contribute to the 3rd most likely cause of death. But occams razor, it's not that complicated to screw up stuff or be dogmatic about wrong hypotheses, or lie to make money. Not everything is a complex conspiracy. Most things are just the ugly side of human nature. ✌
Classic shill tactic of burying my rebuttal, faggot.
Nah, I agree with you, sans flashlights lol
Mark is grapheniums alt
Haha.... nah, we have quite different philosophies on a number of things. Still frens tho
Rofl get help
Help by answering the question of viruses being dead cells instead of lying like a filthy cunt
You said:
I said, almost a day ago now:
Oh golly gosh, what a vile, pernicious lie that was... or wait...there is no lie in the statement. Huh. Almost like you’re acting like a spastic for no reason. Fancy that.
Yes. You deliberately "misunderstood" and you continue to lie.
Speak for yourself spastic
They do. They then go into a spiel about mold development happening from inside, using a pile of strawberries molding from the bottom as the example. They then use this deliberately incorrect information to use as a logical fallacy, I don't care about specifically which, to superimpose that onto the incorrect notion of the video that viruses aren't real/come from inside. False equivalence I believe.
Same exact bullshit as saying a flashlight up your asshole on a beach at midnight proves the earth is flat. It's the same playbook. Wether wittingly or not, you use their playbook in shouting me down as a "non-believer" saying "just watch it" like "just shove a flashlight up your ass, brother."
You're literally just regurgitating what the video said while disregarding the fact they claim "viruses are dead cells"
Nobody fucking "acknowledges" it, asshole. I proved it's fucking wrong. Nobody "acknowledges" the earth is flat either you bad actor punk made flat earth faggot.
Replying “No.” and then changing the subject isn’t how one has a productive discussion
You can’t even repeat their arguments correctly much less argue cogently against them. It isn’t starting “from the bottom” dipshit, they argue that it starts INSIDE the dead/dying organism.
Re:everything else you spewed, I don’t normally say this but get help buddy, I think your environment has poisoned you and rotted away your ability to comprehend and discuss things like a person. This isn’t a video about flat earth, and given your obsession you honestly seem like a forum sliding shill.
How is that changing the subject? They claim viruses are dead cells. Which your dumbass tried to argue for and then say "no, they didn't say exactly what I just said" like a bitch
Hey, dumbass. I proved their fucking wrong. Mold spores don't form inside strawberries, asshole.
Says the flat earth faggot who constantly lies his ass off. What's the matter? Your momma didn't raise you right? Can't stand up like a man and speak plainly? You fucking weasel.
I really think you need help with your anger, whether that’s a joint a day or a lobotomy I can’t tell you. I can tell you that you haven’t contributed a useful thought to this board in what seems like months. You’ve spent over a day arguing with me about a movie you saw 10% of. You’re incapable of addressing their actual arguments so you just attack people instead, either the uploaders or the people here to discuss the video. I’m done responding until you can present a cogent argument, mainly one that isn’t taking the claims of the video and stuffing them into a context that doesn’t hold them, but actually attempting to discern the truth. In other words, watch the video or go shove a flashlight up your ass.
You spread flat earth bullshit then lie like a faggot when it's questioned. This claim is also a lie.
Because your faggot ass keeps lying about the claims made in your flat earth propaganda
Viruses are not dead cells and mold spores don't form inside strawberries. And that's 2 lies in less than 20 minutes which you've spent "over a day" lying your ass off about, bitch.
Oh, you're the victim because you spread flat earth bullshit and lie about it? How's the weather in tel aviv?
Good. Fuck off and stop lying like a bitch, you flat earth inbred little punk.
Viruses aren't dead cells. Keep lying
What are you talking about? Use specific examples instead of pretending to be a victim like a fucking woman, bitch. I'm not your husband.
Shill repsonse . Can't discuss videos contents.
I would ask you how you’ve come to this conclusion, because I’ve never posted in support of FE, and infact have done the opposite multiple times. But I know your answer will be to claim this video is “FE bs”, which brings us to your next spastic outburst:
I thought it was obvious but if you’re really this stupid I’ll say it yet again:
The video has nothing to do with FE, and your obsession with FE has tarnished your ability to think critically and address the claims made in the video. Which you still haven’t done, and which is largely impossible for you, as you haven’t watched it.
You lied about the viruses are dead cells claim
It does. It was made by flat earth faggots and uses the same tactics. YOU alos use the same tactics. You still haven't addressed a specific example. Again, you lie like a bitch.
Viruses are not dead cells. You lied about it like a shill. Mold spores don't form inside strawberries. You refuse to address it like a bitch
https://www.bitchute.com/video/B1OuvLzH6P5i/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/zjuU1sDlY2qc/
Disagree with the premise that viruses don't exist. What about the tobacco mosaic virus, the first isolated? Just finished the original 1938 paper on its isolation and it didn't seem like fraud to me.
What's the gist of the video? It's 2 hours long. Anybody watch the whole thing?
No. I got 10 minutes in and some dude said viral proteins are made in the nucleus and I had to dip. It's so full if errors we could spend a year discussing them all.
Fair enough
Germs don't exist? Get the fuck outta here
Watch the video, no one ever advances the notion “germs don’t exist”
What about the narrator saying "germ theory is bullshit" a dozen times in the first 10 minutes I watched?
C'mon, man. You're pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining. Germs are real. The earth isn't flat. Space exists. There are 2 genders.
These are facts
This does not rule out the exitstence of germs, and the documentary never says they are not real. It's about how the theory of their origin, function, and the affects attributed to them are all essentially bullshit assumptions and up for debate.
The makers of this video are flat earthers who outright lie constantly. There is no debate.
So what if they're flat-earthers, they made an excellent overview documentary on the argument for Terrain theory over Germ theory; they didn't discover or develop that theory. They are merely summarising the work of many "non-flat earthers".
Terrain theory goes back to Bechamp, (actually it goes back further, but he's the best known proponent) who was a contemporary and rival of Louis Pasteur, the Germ Theory god. In 1995, Pasteur's private diaries were published for the first time, and they showed what some suspected for a while already; that he was a huckster and a fraud who faked the positive results of his innoculation research to advance his career and profit from his vaccine concoctions. Bechamp's rival theory is and always has been closer to objective truth.
BTW Pasteur's ideas about vaccination were not inspired not by observation; he was inspired by the Rabbis in the Talmud, wherein they argued they could cure rabies in a human by killing the rabid dog that bit the person, removing it's liver, and forcing the sick person to eat some of it.
They're wrong about everything
Theres absolutely a conversation to be had about corruption in the medical field, that doesn't mean germs aren't real or viruses are cells or mold starts inside or any of the other bullshit.
Just like pointing to nasa doing something doesn't mean the fucking earth is flat.
I didn't even know they were flat earthers till you pointed it out. It changes nothing, you're using it as an excuse to excuse yourself from looking into this topic ith an open mind.
No one in the documentary advances the notion germs aren’t real. You need to work on your discernment and self control bro. You used to contribute now you just try to tear down
That's what it says in the videos description
I'm having trouble understanding the difference.
Can everyone recognize this is exactly the flat earth playbook? They post a shitty video. I ask where's the confusion, tell me about the video, how does it prove anything?
And the only shill ass response is "just watch it" or "just shove a flashlight up your asshole on a beach"
Any questions about what it proves will be shouted down with emotional outrage against the perceived "other".
You spread flat earth bullshit as the featured doc when there's so many better fucking topics and tell me I need to work on MY discernment?
Get real, dude.
Yes, watching the video would assist with that
Went another couple minutes in and there's more "errors".
Viruses are NOT cells. They do not have a nucleus, they cannot self replicate.
On his mold example, mold doesn't form INSIDE anything. Moisture plus mold spores equals growth. It's slightly more complicated than that, but the fact strawberries mold from the bottom of a pile (most wet) isn't rocket surgery.
Again. This is flat earth bullshit. You cannot even explain the most simple concepts to anyone who h proves you have absolutely no understanding of any of it.
Just stick your nose up and act like you're better than everyone because you suck off flat earth retards.
"Just shove a flashlight up your asshole on a beach at midnight. Can you see the flashlight? Boom. Check mate round earthers!!!!!!!"
Get the fuck outta here
And when you see a video that says (by space Busters) you can pretty well assume that they're flat earth faggots, because they are.
Space isn't real, earth isn't real, and germs aren't real either. Fuck off
Before I thought you were just a naive dumbass who was too ready to throw money at any chink eyed drunk trying to play tricks on the ignorant white man with spatklers shoved up a toilet roll. I thought we could have productive conversations. I showed you REAL evidence of psychic abilities.
Now, in my mind you are another forthegenerations alt who shouts down everyone talking about flashlights up your ass on a beach.
That’s likely because you’re small minded on topics you’re unfamiliar with. You’re still arguing with me about watching the doc, in a fucking discussion thread for the doc.
I watched more than enough of it, and you seem to be incapable of discussing it.
Start a new thread with some actual discussion, ping me, and I’d be more than happy to partake. I just think blanket dismissals of things because of perceived issues with the video uploaders ideology are dumb (note, not a word of flat earth is mentioned in the video, so derailing the discussion thread by bitching about it is just as bad or worse than what you think they do).
(By Space Busters)
Someone tell me again how this flat earth bullshit isn't flat earth bullshit.