This one was my attempt to be sympathetic, you might want to read it a second time. Most flat earthers here do not think Dubay is the face of flat earthers, he smells manufactured. I like to hear from flat earthers because they might uncover something useful like hollow earth or Antarctica, so I wasn't intending to scare you off.
Oh, I didn't realize you were a denier. There's so much handwaving compared to facts here. I picked up a few names, you're welcome to post data at c/Holocaust as well as c/FlatEarth.
What's the point of even living, i've already gotten my heart broken and we're in a evil/flawed world and are going to die anyway.
Let me lead with that one because it's of a different tone than the rest. Jesus is able and does reveal the point of living, and he is there with everyone's heartbreaks and will reveal the reasons for it and the place it serves in their lives. When I went through heartbreaks it took awhile to see the reasons and to understand why that was to be part of my experience, but it allows me to be confident that he will do the same for you. Ask him one step at a time.
Moving to the more pedantic points that I wrote before reading the whole comment: I just want to explain that I said (with sources) that Grosser counted 81 expulsions from 12 countries and regions of 10 others (there would be no useful methodology if we tried to count older administrations):
12: Austria, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Lithuania, Netherlands, Portugal, Russia, Spain, Switzerland, Ukraine. 10: Regions of Algeria, America, Britain, Czechia, Egypt, Latvia, Morocco, Poland, Romania, Tunisia.
Also, Christians and Muslims and Roma were regarded as dangerous with the same language and expelled thereby, and nowadays Trump is expelling up to 109 dangerous nations from America that hardly need listing. Conversion efforts are irrelevant to these.
There is an easy answer on immigration policies! They need not be inherently racist. They work for centuries in countries where they give reasonable standards for immigrants having a naturalization experience that is sufficiently similar to a lifetime citizenship experience from birth. That has never been a problem for any country. It's when a country is rich and powerful and decides to give so much unrequited mercy and favor to so many people that it forgets its duty to protect its own citizens, that it becomes a problem.
I believe that Jesus is busy solving moral dilemmas every day by his Spirit informing those who need answers at the time of their need. This is the path by which he is redeeming the whole world such that every type of heartbreak reaches a point where it is to never happen again. Anything that happens to you might well be the last time it ever happens, and when you live life that way with expectant trust you will be ready for the momentary negatives yet to happen in the future.
When you die it's the end.
That inconsistency is consistent with your inconsistent indifference about the survival of humanity. Wouldn't it be great if you had some morals for MGTOW and singles that gives them purpose and hope in life?
This snippet is from one of the sermons I listened to this morning and it made me think of not just our exchange, but how I interact online: This is a very base, coarse, rancorous, angry, hate-filled, volatile, pejorative culture in which we live. It seems as though all normal restrained discourse has been replaced by ugly, bitter, attacking, devouring speech at all levels; and that has, as it seems everything does in the culture, made its way to church. And the Internet seems to be where all that is played out with a measure of escapability and anonymity where you can pour out your animosity, your hate and your ad hominem attacks and feel good about it, when, in fact, you should not. Doesn’t honor the Lord for Christians to be having a food fight on the Internet over every issue and pointing what’s wrong with everybody else, while the world watches this betrayal of everything that we say we believe and everything the Lord would have to be true about us as His people. Have a blessed day, brother.
Absolutely! Looking forward to meeting you shortly under your new username then. :)
The beast whose number is WWW will rule over the earth for 1000 years
No, John wrote, after he had been a Christian for 60 years, that Jesus would rule for a thousand years. WWW only gets 7 years of intense, chaotic rule. If you believe John, then believe Jesus. If you don't believe Jesus, tell him so on his own merits.
There is one ....
The primary issue with holocaust deniers as to ovens is that they don't realize the minority of deaths were in camps (where many were buried anyway) and the majority of deaths were by roving executions and ghettoizations across the Nazi empire, where body removal was not their concern.
I'm pretty confident Eric Dubay is a psyop to prevent real flat earthers from getting real geographical data to flesh out their theory. I'm not a flat earther, but my alternate account is. The flat earth movement has legitimate concerns in (1) government suppression, (2) scientism establishment, and (3) Antarctic secrets, so I think they should be aired. But the truth is very complex, and using frames of reference the earth is both still and moving at the same time in different senses (and maybe that's what Galileo meant by saying "And still, it moves" or "And even, it moves")! I think since C.S. Lewis said Narnia was flat with a sun that a giant could reach and with waterfalls at one edge, and since England was connected to Narnia, he was trying to get the flat earth theory going in a tame and then-respectable way. Stars are real and closer than we think, and yet we have mastery over them.
I think the biggest difficulty for flat earthers is getting the math right about the horizon effect and light refraction. Flat earthers (often at Dubay's misdirection) stick to arguing about that rule of thumb 8in/mi^2 that is not the globalists' actual math and then they find themselves arguing without the real facts. The true effects of light refraction at the horizon are more subtly calculated, and the four corners of the earth and its dozens of miles of vertical variation (including Moho digs) make an accurate geoidal system very hard indeed even for a globalist. And we're not able to argue that sea level is modeled best by perfect flatness because of both waveform and meniscal effects (considering also that waters sometimes stand up in a heap), so the putting of a boundary in Antarctica doesn't dictate the geoidal model therein. So I'm hopeful that the flat earth community will get some better math in the future.
Add: I take it by your other comments that you mean we're in an atmosphere instead of a perfect space vacuum, and that we're one species without need for macroevolution from another or significant racial distinction? Thanks.
Schwab professes to be Catholic, on what evidence are you parenning him?
Back to great analysis, fren! Scientists have focused so much on 4D physics that they haven't seen the connection of "spiritual" phenomena to their own 10D physics.
The mind operates by encoding extradimensional entanglement with other times and places as memory and anticipation, of which the brain and nervous system are the primary shadow.
The spirit operates similarly but its encoding manifests in such phenomena as body memory and zone recognition, and the heart and circulatory system are its shadow, along with such systems as reproductive and lymphatic.
People understand their bodies and mostly understand their minds but the overwhelming scientism-establishment pressure causes them to regard spiritual phenomena as meaningless. Spiritual skill must be recovered!
The spirit begins as a seed, and for practical purposes we call a seed "dead" because it can sit on the shelf for years without change. But when it it watered and nourished, it takes on a life of its own and breaks forth as an organism. It is essential for those who are awake to help people bind up wounds to their spirits, surround their spirits with fertile ground, and then irrigate them with the water of good counsel. It is usually necessary to keep the spirit sustained with good company for some time before it buds, although there are also exceptional spirits that are designed to break forth very rapidly.
The spirit that has begun to encode its experience in the heart and life by perceiving the archetypes of the universe and beginning to recognize them without use of mental conception will in time receive the voice that you describe. At this time if one is not counseled one can easily mistake that voice for a thought (i.e. as if from the mind), and just file it as another unacted impulse. It's also possible to hear external voices and mistake them either for the internal voice of the spirit or for the thought of the mind, which often happens. (Worst is of course to treat the external as the internal, because that inverts the order of awakening into slumber and slavery; the solution is to test every voice as to whether it comes from the core, resonating with the most central aspects of one's being, or whether it comes from a distance, attempting to harmonize with one or more aspects of being but clearly not aligned with the whole being.)
The right path is to guard the intuition. This involves mind and spirit working together, each doing their part. The awoken receives impressions from the spirit (they cannot be forced, but they can be solicited by methods), and analyzes the impressions with the mind, putting them into words and conceptual memories. The mind is the servant of the spirit, never the initiator.
The right life balances the work of spirit, mind, and body. The spirit gives archetypal pictures at the 10D level, the mind analyzes and processes revelation (mostly in dimensions 6-9), and the body brings it into 4D reality. All distractions are imbalances in this system. The biggest work of distractions is to quell the operation of the spirit, but the goal of that is to end the flow of the mind and body as well (to make activity mindless unto death). The ultimate reason for distractions is for the enemy to be given rein to attempt to prove that any nonentity is greater than any created thing, so the enemy is given a wide berth to attempt to create nonentities by degradation of existing creation, but he always fails. The more that failure is recognized as a fait accompli, the more that his attempts will run out of options and the number will be completed. This is also called ammo loss. If our growing community retains and protects what it has learned and continues receiving and expanding, we see the enemy more and more vanquished and we see crisis points where we cross over into decisive victories.
I usually vibe with you more but this one has a bit too much althist in it so I'm going to need to back that part out categorically. Trump, Netanyahu, Zionism, 2017, Iran, Windsor, Rothschild, London, UK, Communism, China, Israel, Satanism, Jews.
consensus by the People
In this country that's done by Committees of Correspondence. I've tracked those patriots who set these up and the problem is of course that every one above certain size is infiltrated and very few rise above the distraction possibilities. The smaller ones have not been able to coordinate efforts beyond single issues. Plus, we still have the best Constitution in world history and so it's very hard to improve on that. I thought that Scored was one of the best platforms for coordinating such activities, and it is, and yet very little gets coordinated; I had an anointed vision of what I was to do here, for 5 years, and it's held steady, and yet it's such a small part of what needs to be done that I'm not sure how well it'd fit your paradigm.
I could even invite you into my paradigm but I don't know that I can do that while we have disagreements about Urantia. I don't have a paradigm for what Urantians are supposed to do, only Earthlings.
Our obligation would be to enforce common law
We could easily preach common law and citizen sovereignty and educate people how to live their lives outside of authoritarianism more and more. Funny, that's not happening here even as much as it used to. Normal attrition, plus admin complacency, plus network lag.
stop any rogue group who tries to seize power over others or try to invade us
That requires more unity than the united states. We're united on the Constitution and divided on color lines on most everything else. I don't see unity bubbling up while rogue groups use cointelpro to keep it suppressed methodically. There is one successful paradigm, the Chinese underground church, and we're not near oppressed enough here for that to take root that way.
Now usually I speak against dooming, but what I see in this post doesn't have meaning to me. Changing the rules and ridding authoritarianism overnight doesn't happen in America like that. Last time was the Revolutionary War, which took 8 years not counting all the years of planning and awakening; the cabal was shocked but it regrouped and infiltrated the new power. I think if there's an overnight change it will not be a shock to the cabal.
More specifically, there's only one Man with the Plan who is able to coordinate all the details to happen in the right sequence and break the critical mass. There exist planners who have gotten a single event or series right, but the Man who coordinated the Revolutionary War was ultimately Jesus Christ and he's the only One we can count on this time. And his plan is for us to occupy while he's preparing us for the sudden frames.
I'm all in favor of whatever order you want to set up, I'm just pointing out practicalities. Start small and you might join the awakening that ensues. We are in a brief positive movement of the ratchet and we are to use it to prepare for the next negative movement, and we have not been informed that we've passed the last negative yet. It just seems that we can hardly proceed without such a brilliant plan that its full disclosure and publication cannot in any way weaken its execution by the risk of infiltration or dilution. And the best such plan I have so far is the Bible, I don't know that I can come up with a regional temporal plan that is even comparable.
Could you possibly mean me? Are you possibly referring to the 16 Nazis who died during the beer hall insurrection? Should I care about them if there's no evidence they were innocent?
Traitors were locked up
What I just said about Hitler.
So just because people were in concentration camps doesn't mean they were guilty. Just because heterosexuals were jailed for gay violations doesn't mean they were guilty. Just because Rohm was killed in prison doesn't mean he was guilty of disobeying Hitler in his gay policies. I see.
Hard to imagine anything worse than now. Are we already in it? What does the Bible say will be the effects? Is that allegorical or literal? Are the microplastics in entire world’s water supply “wormwood”?
The previous link covered my chronology part 9 on the millennium. Your questions relate to the tribulating in the seventieth seven, which is part 8 and which I take quite literally (all the parts are linked from part 9).
Whining about them and stamping your feet won’t change them.
Exactly my point. I don't doom, or get affected by doom. But you doom, and you expressed hope like once or twice since I've known you, and then you pulled your cards back to your chest again.
the new thing where you call God a liar
Try to follow. By having your 6000 AM start in 2239 AD, you are calling the history of the universe a lie, at the part where the Persian empire is shortened by about 200 years from reality. I showed you that there are Chabad Jews who actually believe that and reject all historical dates prior to the Persian empire, so it's very close to the No Middle Ages theory. You're now acting like you can't believe I just proved you're doing this. If you go through the chronology links you find we're in the year 6018 AM, which is only 11 years less than Ussher's total. So I actually have
HOPE IN CHRIST
for the immediate present and the immediate future.
Add: Oh yeah, you were just saying something about my disproof of the billions of years being wrong, but you never made clear what dating system you went with, so I assumed it was on the range of the myriads that a lot of literalists feel comfortable pushing the Bible back to. That's one of your liabilities of rarely talking straight but only by implication: the benefit is you never have to make a point, and the liability is that you never do make a point. So I stepped in because you were acting like maybe you had hope for the year 2239 AD. But, now that you're not again, I'm not interested anymore.
Repeating my comments since this was deleted and reposted:
What do you think Noahidism is? What antisemitism laws are perceived as unconstitutional? How could criticizing Israel be legislated as forbidden in America? Since the video is about Australia, what do Australia's laws have to do with the US Constitution?
If a law is unconstitutional it can be challenged up to the Supreme Court, which to my knowledge hasn't permitted any unconstitutional antisemitism law. The speaker's first conclusions don't follow from his clip of Netanyahu doing the ordinary posturing and demanding that sovereigns do one to another.
Since the video is 3 hours without transcript, I'm not bothering to continue beyond the start, which would be to enter the middle of an argument when definitions are not provided upfront.
It's not the Noahide laws, but their abuse. Since you and I are Noahides we have just as much right to contribute to the interpretation of Noahide law as anyone else. In fact, the constitution of the Swamp Rangers meets all the regulations one could ask of a Noahide court so we can put our interpretations up against anyone else's that claims to be a Noahide court. Anyone who reasonably volunteers to mediate disputes, like Deborah or Roy Bean, constitutes a Noahide court. So the objection is not to the reality but to some imagination based on ambiguous actions and misread Talmudic passages.
Now, as a Constitutionist I point out that all Americans are sovereigns and have responsibilities as such. Many don't take that responsibility and then complain that American law is sliding; but the fact is that as sovereigns they are free to protect themselves, to instruct their public servants differently, and to reject servant overreach by refusing to comply with unconstitutional demands, and when they complain that nothing can be done they abrogate responsibility. So if you don't like an interpretation of Noahide law, promulgate your own interpretation as a Noahide court!
There are seven laws; the law of no idolatry prohibits belief in other than the Creator God; and Abrahamic religions each recognize the principle of diversity of expression in the one God, in different ways. Therefore none of the Abrahamic religions is idolatry in itself under Noahide laws, they are only judged idolatrous within one religion as it judges another.
Maybe since nobody else is really doing it I should just declare myself a Noahide court and start judging, and admitting interrelationship with anyone else who declares a Noahide court. That would be fun, especially when the Jews come along. We could use the Abolition of Man appendix as our base interpretative framework. Then we could put these objections about such courts to rest. Noahidism is not unique to Judaism but can be claimed by 100-200 cultures that each have flood traditions.
[Noahide court would work] like any other court (Deborah and Roy Bean are great examples). You accept those who consent to the jurisdiction of the seven laws and you rule accordingly and in consultation with other jurists doing the same thing. You can also publish ex parte rulings to speak to situations on your own initiative. Nobody has a monopoly on Noahidism, and the doomers are mistaken to think that those who've spent more time planning the subject have some natural advantage over those who have equal communal access to understanding the laws. This would be a good place to ask questions, but suffice for now that it appears eminently doable and would in theory answer any 3 hours of dooming.
Sometimes I round figures before looking them up. The more important question goes back to whether you believe the temple was actually destroyed ca. 422 BC instead of ca. 586 BC, or whether you recognize the year 6000 AM is earlier than you think. And that's a segment of my real interest, what you think the millennium is to be like. You almost moved into that message of hope that would rescue you from your dooming. But then it looks like you remembered the larp and went back to the doom cloud. Anytime you have
HOPE IN CHRIST
I'm there with you as a brother.
- u/SmithW1984 is an Eastern Orthodox Christian. That means he doesn't accept any external enumerations as they are all change to what came before.
Of course then I trump him by being a covenantalist and tracking my covenant all the way back to Adam so I have even earlier sources, but along the way the Orthodox Church (like the rest of us) had a little trouble getting all the way over the hump of the difference between an unconstituted and a constituted people. Going back and forth across the hump I learned to navigate it (time traveler joke there). "Ignorant" and "growing" might rightly be used for each of us, so feel free to put your further views out there, but I do chime in when I think it'll help.
The God of the Old Testament is the One God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. A good verse on this is Is. 48:16, "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me." If you start there you should be okay going over the hump.
Literally what.
You, not being a Christian, would obviously not be acquainted with what happens afterward.
The long-awaited transition, millennial kingdom, and new heavens and earth.
Is this more “the Middle Ages didn’t exist” narrative? Or is this more “the Earth is five seconds old” narrative?
Hitler had four cops killed, ruled as committing high treason, and was in Landsberg Prison for 8 months, and I don't believe that was ever overturned. Trump signed accurate forms under attorney advice, ruled as committing falsification of business records, and turned himself in for a few hours, and his sentence was unconditionally discharged. Glad we could show how rotten your false equivalences really are.
In the first century, the word Ioudaios described both Jewish and Judean because all Jewish people were of the Judean nation and all Judean citizens were Jewish. Nowadays we don't use the word Judean anymore because of the political changes, but there's no evidence that Jewish people aren't descended from a chain of Judeans by births and naturalizations. You're the one proposing a distinction without specifying a difference.
Hitler went to jail for his crimes, remember? So I don't think u/stopnoticingwastaken is likely to exonerate him from all wrongdoing.
Sounds like you're pathetically rewriting what 17 translations call "King of the Jews" as if that's the correct English translation for it.
Yes, Paul was in Judea and turned to Christ and rejected Judaism/Ioudaismos (Gal. 1:13-14) and yet was still a Jew/Ioudaios (Acts 21:39, 22:3). So were a million others in the first century. So are a million others today (according to a survey by Lifeway). Paul knew the difference between Judaic ancestry and Judaic religion (ism). There is a difference between Jewishness and Judaism (religious), but there is not a difference between Jewishness and Judeanness (national).
The burden of proof is on you that "Jew" means something other than Ioudaios or Judaeus or Ju, its earlier forms in a direct etymological chain. You seem to assume a break in the chain that you don't instantiate.
Technically, there is a flat earth community, I founded it in Feb 2022 and it's called c/FlatEarth and has had 21 contributors since then. The Scored platform is run by anons who protect everyone's privacy and IMHO it's the best place to have public anon communication that's very low on the radar and not filtered. As the founding mod, I can tell you that you can post anything there that's legal and moral, and if you want me to investigate who's still around that thinks similarly I'll check on it. I can also tell you that SwampRangers.com is not going away (we should get a warrant canary I suppose) and Jesus who backs me is not going away, which is the best cred I can give.
Since I'm "skeptical of everything", and I do rely on observation and logic, I don't insist on the oblate spheroid being the best explanation, and I'm sensitive to the fact that the governments keep adjusting their globe models and hiding details about space and Antarctica. Now, to get along IRL including when I travel "around" the world, I use maps and they've pretty well lined up with my actual experience, but when I looked at my travels I realized they weren't mathematically sufficient to demonstrate any geoidal model due to curving paths and lack of control points. So I'm open-minded about everything except one thing, the God in Christ who holds me (I'm not free to leave him but I'm free to explore everything else). When I put my ideas out, it's because they're hypotheses subject to improvement. I haven't come to the place where I can say "not a globe without any doubt".
If I have put out a couple guesses of direction that you find useless (like hollow earth), I apologize. But it's not clear to me what your goal is. If you're at "it's not a globe but I don't need to convince anyone else", that's kind of like my saying my Mitty fantasy world is real but I don't need to convince anyone else. The way I actually live is to verify my views of reality by several paths (including reaction of others) and to direct my fantasies to become realities by my actions. So when I tell people Jesus was born in 4 BC on October 6 Julian, at 3 a.m., but I could be wrong, part of that is putting the date and time out there for argument's sake because I have evidence aligning it with reality, and part of it is being open-minded enough to hear alternatives and to test if there are better alignments. So for practical purposes this account larps as not believing in flat earth and my alt account larps as believing in flat earth (and God knows what else), and I keep all my bases covered.
Philosophically and theologically I concluded that not everything can be known by mortals, but anything can be known by mortals. I believe if you set your mind to it you can have any question answered by God, over time. Perhaps you don't care if you know because your belief is good enough and you function fine with globalists all around.
I'm not sure what you're saying about refraction, because when I look at the surface of hot roads I see shimmering accurate holograms of the sky and other structures, and I thought that was heat refraction, so it seems to be a factor in dealing with the horizon problem too.
So I apologize for starting off on the wrong foot with my levity, and you are welcome to post freely at c/FlatEarth. You can get a little traction cross-posting to c/Conspiracies but they're not too interested in FE because it's not got much new to it lately.