Are you implying I should assume you're the mythical sinless man?

Nope. I'm asking what evil you believe I may be doing.

You seem to be making the argument that you've judged yourself and no shred of evil is present.

Then perhaps you need to reread what I've written, because I've explicitly stated that is not my stance. As I said before, only god can judge, right?

For now you're in a comfy left wing delusion that you're the source of all good in the world.

I certainly don't live in that delusion. To think I'm the source of all good in the world would be quite arrogant and misguided

And you (and so many others, myself included) want to believe this media has no effect on your morals, or philosophy, or your direction in life away from Christ. In the height of human arrogance we think this, but it is proven over and over not to be the case.

In what way is it proven?

I'm saying the fact they are luciferians demonstrates the spiritual forces at work.

At work to do what?

And therefore influenced by evil, that's correct. You are letting them lead you away from the light of God.

Where is the actual evil though? What evil am I doing? Obviously, you don't know, but let's just assume I'm the average citizen on the street, someone you know well who just doesn't happen to be christian. What evil do you suspect I'd be doing? Or is it solely not praying?

So their influence is, by definition, leading you away from Jesus.

Then what? I am punished for eternity, even if otherwise I have made actions in keeping with god's teachings?

Is the sole goal of luciferianism just to...make people not pray? That seems pretty tame, considering the alternate goals of some religious/cult movements. I mean, considering I am someone who watches hollywood movies and listens to rock and roll music, I haven't been driven to any sort of violence or sacrifice or evil or anything like that. If not praying is the consequence...it'd take a lot of convincing for me to believe that it should be considered "evil."

You don't just get to do some good deeds (which you focus on) and proclaim yourself good and saved.

Again, I agree with this. I'm not proclaiming myself as good or saved. I freely admit that I have my flaws and, ultimately, I don't know whether or not I am saved. After all, only god can judge that of me.

What I do know is that my actions, by my knowledge, certainly align with many teachings of your lord. It seems to me that I do step in line with a lot of the behaviors encouraged by the bible, so it's hard to understand what I may be doing that's wrong.

What part of "repent" and "you must be born again" means "you must do more good actions and don't worry about recognizing the truth of God or prayer"?

None of those parts. Happy to clear that up for you.

Luciferianism is an inversion of the Biblical narrative placing God as the Devil and glorifying the actual Devil.

Right but where is the actual devil being glorified? That's where people start to stretch their definitions. It's certainly vague/broad.

That can't be the standard, the only objective standard has to be of God.

I agree! So I'm not sure why you feel like I'm not meeting the standard if even you aren't aware of my actions.

Matthew 25: "34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’"

These on the right didn't even know they were doing anything for god/in the name of god, yet were accepted through their actions.

Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus says, “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

Seems pretty clear to me that only those who actually do the will of god will be let into the kingdom of heaven.

Aren't the spiritual implications of what's going on apparent?

Nope. "Luciferianism" is so broadly defined that people are quick to twist anything they don't like into some vague symbolism. Remember that time where people would try and find messages by playing records backwards?

The same media which gives you your left wing programming (and updates) each year.

The same media that predicted the second dip? :)

I was mostly curious about your response to this part of the conversation, because I think it could lead to a very interesting discussion about theism, or lack thereof, and what it leads to:

Serving yourself can certainly be as simple as eating right, taking time away from distracting things, letting go of worries that are no longer important. You are jumping to a far extreme when serving yourself can be an act of kindness, especially when paired with serving your community, something else I had mentioned.

Prayer or not, the actions are what matter most.

You are not aligning yourself with the spiritual forces of good

Perhaps, for instance, while you believe I am not aligning myself with the spiritual forces for good, my actions may be of someone who would be. Perhaps my actions are ones that serve your lord, and would be loved by your god, because of the kindness I show to others, to make the world we live in better.

Do you find it impossible that someone who doesn't believe in the same things you do can also be a force of good in the world, that your god smiles upon?

Well they predicted the second dip, so I suppose it's not all crap.

Here is more fun. Why'd you give up on our last convo tho? I liked where it was going

Oh they did. As someone who listens to left wing economists they did.

And left wing economists

Guys if I push my dinner plate across the table and it doesn’t break [from my hand pushing it] that means it’s impossible for me to break through it [with my hand]

Break through the plate

Guys if I push my dinner plate across the table and it doesn’t break that means it’s impossible for me to break through it

Because liberals aren't mad at jews. They're mad at Israel.

They just mentioned Islam on an NPR story yesterday, talking about the Russia attack

It was pretty heavily thrust into the spotlight and faced public scrutiny pretty quickly after the bombs dropped.

I did. I’m saying it’s wrong lol

Movie spoilers get leaked constantly. I myself look up movies I’m curious about but probably won’t watch. To think that nothing ever got leaked is kind of silly

But it’s not a secret. We know about the MP. We started knowing about it pretty quickly.

And then we learned about it

Movie spoilers get released constantly…how are you figuring that none of this was ever leaked?

Okay I’ll check again later for a voice chat!

L’AST, adjective - next before the present : most recent, ie “last week”

Last also means “previous”

What is the temptation don’t want to fall for?

Hi! Did you get my last message?

It's best to save the actual articles, so that people can read the full story and not just the headlines.

I definitely see no reason so support Israel especially for what they're doing to Palestinian cities.

I’m talking about wealthy vs middle/lower class my dude.

But yes, I do have sources. I’m happy to share them but it honestly doesn’t seem like you’re up for an honest discussion, based on your quickness to divert the topic in your last comment.

If I’m mistaken I’m happy to chat with you though! Apologies if this comes off as critical, it’s just been my history on this site