So why do you believe the Orthodox church is some kind of True Church?
It is not a question of faith. Faith is in Symbol of Faith. Everything else is just consequences of that. Orthodox Church is True Church just because math. It is a least square estimate from all Christian religions. Closest to the source.
This stuff your symbol of faith?
Yes, that's all.
You champion reason, logic, critical thinking, and knowing in everything except the core stuff your religion is based on?
Yes, because religion is necessary for things that fundamentally can't be explained by science. From all religions I prefer Orthodox Christianity for this,
You have to appeal to blind faith because you cannot prove the central tenets of your religion.
If central tenets of religion could be proved and replicated independently, then it is not a religion, but science.
There's no such religion called a totalitarian sect
Because it is not a religion, but criminal cabal disguised as "religion". They even can't be named "heretics", because it will be an offence for heretics.
And Jehovah's Witnesses are a part of the umbrella that is Christianity whether you like it or not
I don't care what this disgusting criminals declare. They are criminals in the first place. Theft and racket is incompatible with Christianity.
Interesting, that most dusgsting globalist organizations, mostly Jewish, like all that ECHR, Amnesty International, HRW and so on, agressively protected Jehovah's Witnesses when inevitable prosecutions started. Cried out loud protecting thieves, when states began to cut them access to their prey, confiscate and return property to rightful owners. This show that Jehovah's Witnesses are not only some totalitarian sect, but criminal organisation heavily backed by globalist filth.
Look at how corrupt the Orthodox church is (link to www.ecaglobal.org)
What do you expect from jewish antichristian organisation? And it is clearly jewish antichristian organisation, because they have 0 reports on corruption and child abuse in sinagogues.
Orthodox Church consist from regular men with all their sins and corruption. And as among regular men there inevitably will be some bad people from time to time. The difference is that priest will have much tougher judgement than regular men. Orthodox Church is not about "priests are saints and infallible" or "priests are ultimate examples for congregation", it is a mechanism to help people get most effective and full access to God's grace.
Protecting pedophiles.
Seems you absolutely don't know what eventually happens with pedophiles in Russia. There is almost zero chance to leave jail alive for them. Also accidents and all that stuff.
Your Church has killed people throughout history and force converted peopl
We have our famous warriors as Saints. Other Orthodox Churches too. Here is a photo of Greek Orthodox priest for you from Crete - http://www.plakias-kreta.de/wp-content/uploads/kloster-preveli-moench-statue.jpg . Enjoy.
Also that immortal slogan of Saint Alexander Nevsky - "Those who come to us with sword, will all die from sword", as a continuation of Christ one - " I have not come to bring peace, but a sword".
Historically we had to protect ourselves and our Church form numerous enemies from abroad, from Pope thugs and Khazar Jews to that Jehovah's Witnesses thieves you mentioned and other globalist filth. Don't be surprised when you find out that you will be met with weapons if you come to us with bad intentions. And our Orthodox Church with Christ and all His glory will be with us in that, as usual.
What else you don't know about Orthodox Christianity?
Do you realize how stupid it is to just go around blindly believing all the claims people make in life?
That is why there is a very limited list of things that should be believed - Symbol of Faith. Everything else Orthodox Christians have to study and know, not believe.
for no other reason than someone claimed it
This someone was Jesus himself, if you are not aware. :)
Thanks for admitting Orthodox Christians promote blind faith.
That's the point of any religion without exclusion. Blind faith.
Jehovah's Witnesses are a totalitarian sect
Absolutely. They zombify and force those who was fooled by them to transfer high valued property (cars, realty, land) to the top leaders of the sect. Then they use that assets and money to bribe law enforcement and officials to close eyes at their crimes and for attempts to infiltrate into power and critical jobs. There is tons of pure criminal cases (including murders) and undeniable proofs that Jehovah's Witnesses is a criminal totalitarian sect. They are banned in multiple countries all around the world. Disgusting filth.
Do you expect potential non-Christian converts to your religion to just accept your claim that Jesus is God on blind faith?
That's the point of faith. You are completely free to not accept that, but that's your choice.
You have heard of Christian groups like Jehovah's Witnesses
Jehovah's Witnesses are totalitarian sect, not Christians.
Prove Jesus was God
Jesus is God, and it is in Christian Symbol of Faith. It is not a question need to be proved for Christians.
I'm talking about your Jesus-God there. You're blatantly ignoring what I wrote to construct a straw-man argument against me.
Those who insist that Jesus is not God are not Christians. Highly probaly they are Jews. Muslims and others are much more delicate and wise to not do that in talks with Christians. And there is no any sense to argue about anything with a Jew.
You will know the tree by its fruits. Look around and choose the surroundig for yourself. Small tip. If you see any open LGBTXYZ shit around - that's definitely not the place where True Church prevail.
Back in 380 CE, your Church forced converted the people of the Roman empire to itself. Throughout its history, your Church has killed its religious opposition.
You don't even know history. Catholic church have nothing to do with Orthodox Church. They was even started by different apostoles in different places. Catholics and Orthodoxes communicated before the schism, but schism ended that finally.
You stated a Church cannot be created without apostolic succession, so where was the apostolic succession prior to Jesus
There was no apostoles before Jesus. Jesus, being God started it with His Apostoles. He don't need any apostoles to share His grace with Him.
But that's exactly what your Church is founded on.
It is a blatant lie. Russian Orthodox Church is one of direct descendants of Bizantine Church, which was founded by Apostole Andrey. Apostolic sucession of Russian Orthodox Church is perfectly documented right to Apostole Andrey. You could track any priest of Russian Orthodox Church, Old russian Orthodox Church and Russian Orthodox Church Abroad right to the hand of Apostole Andrey. Same with all other existing Orthodox Churches.
If you don't know such basic thing about Orthodox Church, then why did you started this topic in the first place?
You stated: "Apostolic sccession is necessary..."
Yes, it is necessary.
IDK, what example you could understand. In a car, alternator is a necessary part. But you still could drive a car without alternator for some time using battery. Same here.
Church could lose apostolic succession for multiple reasons, but if it will not be restored, this church will eventually degrade to what we see in Rome now. That does not mean that apostolic asuccession prevent degradation.
Car could have perfectly working alternator, but completely broken engine.
Church also have to had "alternator and a place for it" in the first place. You can't create a Church without apostolic succession. Since there is no any apostoles currently around, creation of a new Church is not possible.
Church is a car that could drive you to salvation, if you will use it according to original user manual. It is a long road, you have to fill tank, replace brake pads, fix broken parts and change tires, oil, brake fluid and so on. Only if you do all of that things, not ones you want, but all of them, you will be able to reach your destination far away. You will not be able to reach destination if you don't have alternator, or tires, or transmission, or engine. You will not able to reach destination if you don't dare to fix broken parts.
Hope this analogy is simple enough to get what is Church, and why old Orthodox car, being older than all other, newer shiny and comfortable ones, still running fine and with highest probability will reach its destination with as many passengers as would choose to join.
I didn't replied to you personally, just explained some obvious things that people don't know about.
You say apostolic succession is necessary ... You blatantly contradicted yourself.
It is just one of many components. You could have apostolic succession, but have absolutely nothing with Christianity. And on the opposite, even without apostolic succession you could still have True Church. Without apostolic succession you can't receive grace in full, which make much harder to keep your soul healthy.
Hence, why Christianity is a faith.
Faith have to be logical and provable inside itself. Otherwise it is not a faith it is a cult.
You have no any clue about Orthodox Church and how things really are. :)
First, they state that they are the one true church because they hold the line of Apostolic succession.
Apostolic sccession is necessary, but not "first" or even "most important". It is much better and many things are easier when you have it, but Orthodox Christianity have a special workflow exactly for situaltions when Apostolic saccession is lost for whatever reason.
There is many Orthodox Churches, if you are not aware, even here we have two. Both True. Add to this Greek, Serbian, Romanian, American, Alexandrian, Cyprus and so on. All that Churches accounted as equal True Christian churches by each other, being different with their own hierarchy.
Russian Orthodox Church had a schism half millenia ago, when patriarch decided to adjust some service details with Greek Orthodox Church. Old Russian Orthodox Church that didn't accept this changes lost Apostolic succession few centuries later. However it was still accounted as True Church, all things like baptism, euharistia, weddings, burials of Old Orthodox was accepted by Orthodox mainstream. Later, Apostolic succession of Old Orthodox was restored by mainstream Russian Orthodoxy, and now Russian Old Orthodox Church have full Apostolic succession again.
The Orthodox claims the rightful line of Apostolic succession because they have not apostatized. And because the other churches have apostatized, they are not the True Church.
Great Schism started a massive process of creation of apostatic Churches. Rome decided that it have a right to change Christianity on its will, as they needed. Up to inventing Pope and declaring his speech as God's one.
But how do we know that those other churches have apostatized and not the Orthodox Church?
Orthodox Church is just mathematically least square estimate to the original Christ teachings. That's all. We use original Old and New Testament texts word-to-word translated into ancient Russian millenia ago, which is still used even for all services, and all pre Great schism things agreed on at World Councils are unchanged. This is much more important than even Apostolic succession.
He works only in their lives, and gives them the truth by experience.
You have no idea of what Orthodox Christianity is about and what we believe in.
Well, in short Christianity is a user manual for your soul given to you by Christ. Just like with user manual for your vacuum cleaner given to you by manufacturer, if you began to change existing parts of it or invent new ones, then your vacuum cleaner will work in ineffective way, could break completely or even cause a disaster in your house. If you invent your own user manual for your vacuum cleaner, then manufacturer can't guarantee your vacuum cleaner efficiency and ability to work as promised. No warranty repairs, no spare parts and so on. Further your version of user manual (Christianity) from original manufacturer (God) edition, less efficiency your soul have, up to complete malfunctioning or even destruction.
You could easily observe exactly that by yourself all over the world. Countries with prevalent Orthodox Christianity are much less poisoned with all that satanic perversions like LGBTXYZ idiocy, money (Mammona) worshipping, arrogance, ignorance, greed and so on. And even more important thing is a Christian population attitude to all that shit. If an average Christian accept 100500 genders in his country, think he have a right to judge and preach other nations or doesn't account stock gambling as something dirty - then his Church is definitely far from True one.
Original user manual objectively works much better than any other "customized" version.
Nah I dont believe its as "safe" as were led to believe.
In any case whatever one you want to believe, not watching TV or not using mobile will change absolutely nothing about exposure to the radiowaves. So, using supposed harm from radiowaves as an argunment to agitate people to stop watching TV is senseless. TV does not radiate anything comparable to the level of TV station, so it does not matter if it is turned on or turned off. Using wrong/bad/senseless/false argument does not help to promote any good idea.
Not watching TV or listening to the radio is a must.
Having a perfectly good oint along with completely senseless arguments doesn't help to get people on your side.
Not watching TV or listening to the radio is a good advise not because of some "microwaves", but because of propaganda and lies. Latter is more than enough to divert aurience from consuming MSM crap. You don't need to invent some fictional arguments to support your claim.
Humans, for whatever reason, are protected from EM radiation extremely well. This is an awesome mistery by itself, and worth a separate discussion, but none of modern component of today RF spectra around us could do any noticeable harm to humans. The only way for human to harm yourself with RF today is to put a head into a 1000W microwave oven, or clibm into a dish of airport radar. Overall RF environment is orders of magnitude below the threshold of natural human protection. Frequency and energy of RF linked proportionally. Higher the frequency, higher the energy. At the same time, frequency and depth of penetration into human body linked in reverse - higher the frequency, lower the penetration. So long waves easily pass through us, but have too little energey to do anything, and microwaves with high energy have too high frequency to penetrate through our skin.
Using fear porn in attempt to propagandise some good point is either idiocy, either bad intention. First, fear porn does not work in long term. Second, when it eventually stop working, it completely destroy not only credibility of one who used this fear porn, but also the good point itself. And often it is irreversible.
The only thing they could do with unalienable assets is to pay you or cheat you to to not to obtain them. That's all. They can't do anything else.
And since many people fall to that shit, value of unalienable assets of those who didn't fall to that shit and obtained them, grew a lot.
Those goblins are not insightful or clever. They are even not resourceful, really. All their resources are alienable and not their own. Most of their resources is in a form of their own instrument - money of all kind, from paper/digital stocks and currency to shit they name "modern art".
Guess a way to ruin them.
I find it interesting, that you associate "wealth" only with some inherently alienable assets.
However, f.e. a practical skill could be much more valuable asset than anything you name "wealth", but it is fundamentally inaliable.
You can't confiscate a skill, talent, creativity, faith or other inalienable assets that form wealth together with alienable ones. And you can't limit "wealth" in a whole only to alienable assets.
So, different rothschilds' plans are fundamentally vulnerable. If unalienable assets value will become higher than a value of any alienable assets, rothschilds will fail.
Since interpretations of any *ism are political thing there is no any sense to take them into account, just like any pre-election promises of any politician. And like with politicians, you have to take in account only real implementations.
Meanwhile even Soviet implementation of socialism was far from Soviet interpretation of socialism.
Your imterpretation looks more like a variant of national-communism that was never implmented (yet?), so it is talk about nothing.
As lived through socialism, I brought some corrections. :)
Socialism means no rights for Jews,
Jews had exact same rights as others. This made them mad much more than pogroms.
no rights for Freemasons,
There was no Freemasons in USSR, so it is hard to tell.
no rights for Faggots,
Faggots got hospitalisation in psychiatric clinic or jailtime if denied medical treatment or allow their perversion somehow extend to other people.
If a faggot had enough brain and will to never expose his perversion and never even think about implementing his perversion in reality - nobody cared about such faggot. He was completely free to live his life like any other citizen.
no rights for Whores,
Punishment for paid prostitution was administrative fine, IIRC. Whores and sluts existed by itself, but not as many and as public as now. They had same rights as others, but their behaviour was not welcomed.
no rights for Criminals.
Something like that. And USSR had death sentence for severe crimes. From the other side, some things that are legal today was a crime then.
Socialism means equality.
There was no equality. Wealth depended on the job, skills and education. There was huge disbalance in salaries, salaries could differ more than 10 times, f.e. between agriculture and mining, despite being almost equally labor intensive. Skills and education made salary higher, even for exactly same labour.
But there was equal opportunities. Basic education (IDK, something like level of high school in US) was free for all without any limitations. Higher education, and skill training was free for everyone who was able to pass entrance examination to the corresponding university or tech scondary school.
There are no rich and no poor people in Socialism.
Not at the modern scale and meaning. There was rich and poor, say level of life of janitor's and professor's families was clearly different.
Everyone should only have as much as they need.
No. There was a punisment for not having a job. Only disabled and pensioners got their pensions doing nothing. All was forced to have a job. However any, even most easy job salary covered basic needs - you will not starve to death if you have a job, it was guaranteed.
Education and medicine was free for all.
No more, no less.
It is always funny to read all that myths about socialism from people who know about it only from the products of Jewish MSM.
If metal kitchen pan lid had been constructed 13,000 years ago, and was attributed to a culture without the wheel, much less the knowledge of forges necessary to smelt “metal”, then yeah, there probably would be people who point to “metal kitchen pan lid” and say “wow, the official story must be bullshit.”
OK, official story is bullshit. So what? Metal kitchen pan lid is still just a kitchen pan lid, not the part of parabolic antenna part to recieve TV transmissions from ancient satellites. Even it could focus EM waves. So, this change nothing. Yes, kind of curious fact, that ancient people, say, had a technology to form a gold nugget found in nature into a lid for pan using a stone 13000 years ago and that's all.
You must not be looking close enough, considering they’ve been found on every fucking continent from Asia to South America
And?
You still don't want to answer, what pyramides are useful for.
The "Green Sahara" period: This lasted from approximately 14,800 to 5,500 years ago
Where did you get this exact numbers? You just insisted that official history is bullshit, but somehow you believe this official history dating. And looks like you believe that exactly in a year 3500BC, in a single day all that huge green fields and forests turned into a desert, leaving nothing but sand. :)
Do they not cover math in russkia?
We are perfectly fine with math here, in Russia. We also fine with logic. That is why it is amasing for me, when somebody try to prove that official history is bullshit, using official history dates as an argument.
If you want an example how to do that properly, take a look at Fomenko and Nosovskiy books. Meanwhile they are Russians. And mathematicians. :)
Interesting, that here we have an ancient technology of building large multistore buildings from wood logs without any nails or screws. But we didn't lost that technology through millenias and many here today build houses exactly like millenias ago, using the same ancient technology with that interesting self-tigtening joints. We just use chainsaw istead of axe, but technology is the same.
From the other hand, Egyptians somehow lost the amasing technology of building that amasing pyramides.
Or take that Russian ground town ramparts - megalithic thing with a size of kilometers and a volume sometimes more than all pyramides alltogether. There is one in nearby more than thousand years old small town under town walls. Its huge. Enormous volume of moved ground. Its not that tiny European ramparts of small European castles. We still don't know how exactly they was build at the time. Technology is lost. Probably it was a hard work of thousands of people during many years. Or may be it was aliens. Because modern zoomers can't imagine such volume of handwork.
You see? Some ancient technologies are perfectly alive and useful even today, some are lost.
You know why? Because efficiency. Ancient log house technology is effective and useful. Ancient Egypt pyramide or ancient megalithic town rampart building technology is ineffective and useles. All that technologies works, all of them are ancient, but there is a difference. :)
Back to pyramides. Let's imagine they was build by aliens and had completely different purpose, not just graves for Trumps of the time. I'm perfectly fine with that hypothesis. But what it gives for us without any traces of that alien technology around? "Pyramides was build by aliens with alien technology" is a completely useless knowledge by itself. Could you understand that? Even if in all school textbooks will be a paragraph with "Pyramides was build by aliens with alien technology", and every schoolboy and schoolgirl will know that - it will change absolutely nothing.
So what's the point of constant flood of same "Pyramides was build by aliens with alien technology!!!!111" for almost a century, first in books and magazine articles then on internet sites and forums? Just entertainment?
Nothing adds up in all that numerous "mysteries/hoaxes of the past", from that pyramids to moonhoax. No practical output from that, useful at least for something. No discoveries of any technologies happened, no new useful knowledge came out from that. What's the point?
Egypt Pyramides are nothing more than amasing and entertaining historical artifacts. Regardless of building methods and technology.
The Nile was NOT a green paradise at the time that the “official story” says the Pyramids were built, retard. That was about 4000 years BEFORE the claimed date of construction.
It was green then, and it was even greener 4000 years before. Egypt began turning into desert only 2-3 thousand years ago, thousand years after pyramids.
https://phys.org/news/2018-07-reveals-great-pyramid-giza-focus.amp
Do you understand that there are much more effective shapes to focus EM waves than pyramides? If you advanced enough to know about EM waves, and how to focus them, then why choose one of the worst shapes for that and one of the worst material to manipulate EM waves? It is like making a cart with hexagonal wheels made from potter's clay. It will somehow roll, but nobody will like the result.
Мetal kitchen pan lid could focus EM waves too. In more efficient way, meanwhileб than pyramid. Why didn't you dance around it looking for "advanced unknown tech"?
Or make theories about middle age knights in helmets that "focus EM waves coming from ground" in center of knight's head?
I still don't get the reason for obsession. OK, Ancient Egyptians was able to build huge pyramids. Good for them. So what? Humans build a lot of strange things, just for fun, for glory, to brag about wealth and power and for many other reasons. That does not mean there is some "hidden ancient knowledge and properties" that never ever manifestated themselves after the building was finished.
If something have any useful properties, then it is used heavily by people. I don't see much pyramids around. If their shape is so cool and technological and awesome and special - why nobody use them for anything?
You couldn’t replicate the Pyramid’s construction either lmao
I perfectly could, there is nothing complex at all, but for what reason? What's the use in spending decades rising ugly useless building?
If you want a mystery, then ask yourself a question - why that stupid, ugly and useless pyramids so overhyped? There is absolutely no any sense in any technology for building such things, even if it is somehow "advanced".
in the fucking treeless sands of the Nile
Are you really that ignorant? Nile was a green paradise at the time. That's why Egyptians settled there. Or you think they was so dumb to settle in the desert, but at the same time had "advanced technologies" to build stupid pyramids? :)
It's a sensor that is integrated into coolant tank, and the whole things is only sold as one unit.
My condolenses. They love to do that shit now. But still too much for plastic container with a float, magnet and a reed switch.
Do you have part number? Sometimes third-party manufacturers make and sell separate parts of such "unrepairable" assemblies.
To the top. Executive level, markets, private equity, investment funds, and bureaucracies (unions, etc.).
So, just population money utilisation into nothing.
That wasn't replacement migration and Trump's BS that attdacted my attention. Just the math of that car service business with huge difference between customer payment and actual work cost.
Of course this thing will be used for whatever shit elites will think out, but it is consequences, not the reason.
Yeah, those things that can't be replicated independently and only some self-styled guru know the fucking secret.
Fuck that shit. I'm full, eat it by yourself.
Antykhtera mechanism have nothing to do with moving stones. And it is not something "out-of-time" at all. All parts of it could be made with tools available at the time. There are several working replications, already, using only antique technology of the time. And as usual, it took time, but perfectly possible.
And woefully unimaginative:
And nothing scientific.
Science assume a full and proper information with all possible parameters about phenomenon that allow completely independent replication of phenomenon.
If it can't be replicated by completely independent researcher using only information from research paper, than it is not a science at all.
Megaliths weighing (up to) many hundreds of tons moved into position:
Linking to pedowikia as an argument is an idiocy.
It does not matter what pedos in pedowikia approve. There are simple methods of cutting, moving and glueing large stones. They need time and workforce, but there is absolutely nothing exceptional.
And no, log rollers or log pivots to move massive stones don’t work in desert sand lol
But they perfectly work if you put few long logs as a rails on a sand.
Seriously, is it that hard to just think and experiment a little to find out that most "ancient technology misteries" are not misteries at all, just basic knowledge of simple physics perfectly available at the time. Even monkeys, bears, parrots and ravens understand what lever is and now to use it.
The main fuckup of those who still dance around "ancient technologies" is that they completely unaware, that any advanced technology have a long and wide trail of industries that make parts of that technology. If there was some advanced technology, then we have to constantly find tools, pieces, materials, gears that specific for that technology in different stages of readiness everywhere.
But there is nothing. Just regular up-to-date tools, parts, materials, gears and all that things. No any specific tools, materials, parts, gears that could be a part of some out-of-time technology.
There is no any circular reasoning. Everything is based on Symbol of Faith.
There is ancient texts. Translations used by Orthodox Churches are closer to the originals than those used by other churches.
Yes.
Yes.
There are no any churches closer to the origins of Christianity than Orthodox Church.
Functioning of society in Russia does not depend on the religion of citizens. We have at least 3 major religions here - Christianity, Islam and Buddhism. So no any pressure or whatever from society. My parents and even grandparents wasn't religious (as in routine visiting church prayers at home and all that stuff). I was baptised at the age of 10 when my mother proposed, mostly from curiosity and just in case (yes, it was in that "scary godless communist USSR" you know nothing about). It was interesting, inspirational and I had a great talk with priest (about Trinity, Universe, free will and even aliens). Then, studing science lead me to the conclusion than not everything in Universe could be explained by science, and using my childhood expirience and some research, I just found Orthodox Christianity a best possible thing to follow, because it give a clue to everything unexplainable in a most straight and consistent way. Also, studying Bible (in ancient Russian), Lives of Saints, I found that this all is real and believable, not some fake sweetened stories (or on the opposite, fear porn) as in other confessions. And no any marketing like all that churches that flood Russia after the fall of USSR. Good things don't need marketing, if you are not aware. Nobody knock into my door or pester me on the streets to lure me into Orthodox Cristianity, unlike all other confessions and sects.