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Belief perseverance aka conceptual conservatism is maintenance of a belief despite new information that firmly contradicts it. (en.wikipedia.org)
posted 3 days ago by CottonHill 3 days ago by CottonHill +10 / -0
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– Primate98 4 points 3 days ago +4 / -0

I believe this phenomenon is related to one called "egosyntonicity" and several others, and that all are manifestations of the functioning of a certain type of human consciousness. Thus far, psychologists, brain scientists, philosphers, and studiers of human consciousness have done a completely shit job of unifying and clarifying it.

The basic idea is the imperative for security, and in this sphere that entails something along the lines of "being right", "being the expert", "knowing enough to criticize all others", and so forth along those lines. The sense of superiority fulfills the requirement.

This phenomenon has never been on display more clearly than in recent times, but still no one sees it. Tucker Carlson is more worldly, rational, and even-tempered than most, yet he has been driven to a form on insanity by this. An example:

Tucker Carlson criticises Trump administration and claims 'American empire is over' (indy100 4/6/2026)

Tucker has become anti-Trump recently, and so his rationale is that this all a very bad thing. But can Tucker possibly be ignorant of reports like this?

Study: US regime has killed 20-30 million people since WW2 (Sign of the Times 4/24/2007)

And that was almost twenty years ago, so you can add a few million to those estimates. The US Empire was an industrial-scale mass murderer, yet Tucker mourns the end of it?

Well, the thing is, he doesn't even see that. It has all vanished from his conceptual world as he focuses on how right he was all along about Trump. He's light-years from asking the question, "Hey, was this the plan all along? The thing that so many dreamed about for so long has finally come to pass?"

It's never been more plain that rationality vanishes when the conclusion threatens to kick your ego right in the nuts.

On a personal note, over the last decade or so, I had to throw out about 95% of what I thought I knew about the world. I never felt it threaten my ego. In fact, I saw clearly that it was the way to advance my state of knowledge. One of the things I pitched overboard was the idea that everyone else was like me.

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– BoldCactus 4 points 2 days ago +4 / -0

I had to throw out about 95% of what I thought I knew about the world

And that's not a bad thing. Just like a body detox where you need to rid the body of many "toxins" known to accumulate over time and cause health issues. With the mind & spirit is the same thing, we all need a complete detox, otherwise we face a certain spiritual death.

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– free-will-of-choice 1 point 3 days ago +1 / -0

One of the things I pitched overboard was the idea that everyone else was like me.

a) The CON in consciousness implies likeness; the SCIOUS in consciousness implies difference. It's putting con + scious together which corrupts natural difference with artificial likeness.

b) Ideas can only be shaped onboard as suggestible information held within memory. Overboard implies into the ocean of perceivable inspiration...which cannot be held onto by a vessel navigating within it.

I believe this phenomenon is related to one called "egosyntonicity"

Ego implies mind holding self within possession, while ignoring the potential of expressing self. Freud and his ilk shape an outside consensus to gain access to the possessive memory (ego). This access is being given by willing belief aka by ones free will of choice holding onto a physical idol or mental ideal.

The SYN in egosyntonicity refers to the consensus within others; while the EGO in egosyntonicity refers to ones own mind holding onto the idea of consensus.

It's consenting to suggested idealism which establishes a consensus aka a relation, which makes any idealistic thought relative aka Einsteins relativism. Freud then uses psychoanalysis upon the synthetic relations of ideas...which those holding onto ideas cannot perceive.

the functioning of a certain type of human consciousness.

To ascertain (affix) any type (form) contradicts its function within flow, while shaping a CONsciousness. Form can only function within flow while apart from one another.

The basic idea is...

The base was before any idea can be shaped.

rationality vanishes when the conclusion threatens to kick your ego right in the nuts.

The ION within conclusion represents nature moving on...to conclude implies a being shutting (clude) itself off from nature by artificially joining together (con) with others.

Rationality implies beings artificially reasoning against one another by joining together, while ignoring that nature sets each being apart from one another.

Nature doesn't vanish if a being chooses to ignore it for artifice; yet artifice tricks a being to believe that nature vanishes...if held onto, hence the need to let go aka pitch overboard.

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– CottonHill [S] 2 points 3 days ago +2 / -0

Can you think of something that made you hold your belief even more?

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– freedomlogic 2 points 3 days ago +2 / -0

Why bring this up here? Whats your point. Its funny how lots of peeps come here assuming we all believe the same things. People forget how forums are supposed to work, i guess they are to used to being in legit propaganda echo chambers like reddit that reinforce the elites world view lmao.

This is like the visit I had with a cardiologist recently.

"Your phosphorous levels were not that low when checked six months ago (was the bare minimum, ive never gotten it higher than that, usually the next check it will be low again) that you should be having the symptoms you described."

Yeah but I have elevated parathyroid hormone, normal vitamin d, and im losing substantial phosphorous from my urine.

"Well yeah, but it wouldnt be from your job."

Well it may not be, but if its just a parathyroid then you guys been making me wait years for no reason.

"Im sorry for what your going through."

Yeah just fuck right off asshole.

If it is say, acquired fanconi from lead poisoning, im going to actually try going to a reporter this time.

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– free-will-of-choice 1 point 2 days ago +1 / -0

assuming we all believe the same things

Beliefs tempts differences to assume likeness while ignoring sameness of origin.

how forums are supposed to work

Forum/foras - "outside" aka a public gathering outside the private realm of insight.

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– LastImplement7144 2 points 3 days ago +2 / -0

Cognitive dissonance is the mental stress when the behavior conflicts with someone's beliefs. Probably applies to most people, but I don't think it ap[plies to me. I use critical thinking and I'm willing to face viewpoints or beliefs that provoke strong negative emotions rather than avoiding them.

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– free-will-of-choice 1 point 3 days ago +1 / -0

Cognitive dissonance is the mental stress

CO(gnitive) implies together; DIS(sonance) implies apart...artificially putting together what nature sets apart establishes stress/stringere - "to draw tight".

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– free-will-of-choice 1 point 3 days ago +1 / -0

something that made you hold your belief even more?

Odds. Believing implies holding onto odds to achieve even. That's gambling.

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– IGOexiled 2 points 3 days ago +2 / -0

This is like those "half of people don't have an internal monologue" but instead it's half of people don't maintain an internal logic.

Probably more prevalent in the left, same with all other mental disorders and deficiencies.

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– freedomlogic 3 points 3 days ago +3 / -0

Are you suggesting religion is a mental disorder, or is that somehow different.

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– IGOexiled 1 point 3 days ago +1 / -0

Are the Left known for their rich religious devotion? At any rate, anything a layperson would call "religion" is going to be ultimately harmful.

In the same way (((they))) take over the vapor nicotine market, spike it with toxic additives, then require legislation to restrict the product due to toxicity... because they are in market deals with the legislators. Turned the smoking cessation market into a new nicotine hook aimed at kids.

This is what has happened to religion. The ones that still exist are corrupted and toxic. They only exist to prevent positive and nurturing religions from taking root.

God is real. It's the rabbis and popes who are fake.

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– free-will-of-choice 2 points 2 days ago +2 / -0

(((they))) take over the...market

Buying into what another suggests while selling out ones free will of choice "marks" one. The market represents the deal in-between suggestion and consent, which cannot be taken over, since its a free-trade-market.

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– free-will-of-choice 1 point 2 days ago +1 / -0

Are you suggesting religion is a mental disorder

Consenting to a suggestion implies mental fusion, hence religion/religo - "to bind anew".

Disorder implies the division (life) of natural order (inception towards death).

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– free-will-of-choice 2 points 3 days ago +2 / -0

half of

What halfs a being? Choosing a side...

half of people don't maintain an internal logic

What's logic based upon? Choosing a side...

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– Dregan_ya 2 points 3 days ago +2 / -0

Another term for cognitive dissonance...

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– free-will-of-choice 1 point 3 days ago +1 / -0

a belief that contradicts

There has to be first a division between that which can be believed and the being enabled to believe...it's believing which contradicts division.

Belief perseverance aka conceptual conservatism

If nature divides each being within from one another, then perseverance cannot be shared. Few suggest many that perseverance can be shared, which establishes a mental concept called "consensus", which represents the -ism within conservatism.

Joining a consensus by giving consent to a suggested -ism represents believing. It's ones belief which is being conserved within a conceptual consensus with others, thereby tricking each member to believe in the perseverance of the sum....no matter how many members get destroyed while trying to hold the consensus together.

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