Jesus acknowledged that the Jews were the descendants of Abraham, but that they weren’t the “children of Abraham” or the “children of God” anymore, but the “children of the devil”. Since Abraham is not their father, but the devil is, the promises that God gave to Abraham of those blessing Abrahams children being blessed does not apply to the Jews. They rejected Christ and are the children of the devil and not Abraham.
In John 8:37 Jesus said “I know you are Abraham’s descendants”.
in vs. 38, “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[c] do what Abraham did.”
In vs 42, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God.
In vs 44, “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires.“
And His very clear context is Salvation. Entrance to the Kingdom. Eternal Salvation, and also more abundant life now. I'm not arguing for any land covenants bestowed by God as valid now, but you should recognize that's a completely different realm.
In terms of Israel the Country? It existed before I was born, I don't see a reason I should try to change that.
I'm not "arguing over that" at all. Maybe you should learn how to read.
Land covenant is distinct from Eternal Salvation yet there you go conflating the two again 🙄
Jesus never Promised physical Israel to the Gentiles. It's not why He came down from heaven. It's not what He gave His body to be broken for. You should have no difficulty comprehending this.
I already explained this in the most simplest terms. Let me be even more simpler.
The children of Abraham before Jesus were just biological descendants.
Now Jesus came and said the children of Abraham were not biological descendants but instead those who believed on him.
Now, the promises to the “children of Abraham” don’t apply to the biological descendants anymore. In other words, the biological descendants of Abraham don’t have the land as a god given right anymore.
Very much borderlining a Rule 1 violation. Be respectful, attack the argument not the person.
Please rephrase.
Literally called Jesus stupid, you are arguing with God here and not me.
In John 8:37 Jesus said “I know you are Abraham’s descendants”.
in vs. 38, “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[c] do what Abraham did.”
In vs 42, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God.
In vs 44, “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires.“
You keep claiming that.
That doesn't make it so.
Try reading more closely. Reject your own bias first. See what the text actually says.
Not at all. "Children of Abraham" always had the dual meaning. If it hadn't, then Ishmaelites and Midianites would be children of Abraham in every sense, but they were not accounted as his children because they didn't have the faith of Abraham. If you don't do what your father does, everyone knew your father dismisses you as a child.
You have this wrong division to the word "anymore" like something changed. The spiritual covenant was always the same: believe on the Seed of the Woman to be revealed. Tribal and national covenants arose at many points in history and are easily separable. Because we're so far from the origin we made up other paradigms where we blur the two types of covenant, and that requires us to invent presto-changeo work on Jesus's behalf, but Jesus did not change one serif of the covenant.
You need to figure out what it is that's driving you so illogically. It appears to be some unstated objection that, if this is true, you'd have to do something crazy that may sound Jewish. I'm not proposing anything crazy or Jewish; I am proposing equal self-determination for all. Maybe you should come straight out and say what you think my position logically entails that you cannot accept, and then I can explain why the position doesn't logically entail it as you might mistakenly believe. (Or perhaps we can get to the real binary proposition separating us.)