Jesus acknowledged that the Jews were the descendants of Abraham, but that they weren’t the “children of Abraham” or the “children of God” anymore, but the “children of the devil”. Since Abraham is not their father, but the devil is, the promises that God gave to Abraham of those blessing Abrahams children being blessed does not apply to the Jews. They rejected Christ and are the children of the devil and not Abraham.
In John 8:37 Jesus said “I know you are Abraham’s descendants”.
in vs. 38, “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[c] do what Abraham did.”
In vs 42, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God.
In vs 44, “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires.“
Hypocrite. If Muslims aren’t children of Abraham today then neither are jews.
Oh, I agree Muslims are children of Abraham, Semites, Hebrews, as to biology. But the Bible records that these terms narrowed in meaning over time, and also that one could be naturalized into the biology. The interlocutor here has a very rigid replacement view of two eras without any connection between them or any era before, so I'm speaking in that context; but you and I understand both meanings without confusion so that's not at issue.
That isn’t even what I’m saying. Im saying the people called “jews” today have no spiritual connection to the “jews” of the Bible. Or atleast, a less than or equal to connection compared with the Muslims of today.
The people you call jews are more accurately called Talmudists.
Talmudism was a rejection of true Judaism.
Thus they are rejected by their Father. According to your own logic.
Well, Talmudic Semites uphold every letter of the OT, while Muslim "Semites" believe it was corrupted. But comparatively the two claims should always be kept in tension and perhaps when being diplomatic there is no need to compare them rashly.
To the degree that Talmudism rejects the Torah Judaism of Messianics (and Christians), it is rejected by the Father. When evangelizing Jews I find it helpful not to lay out what degree that is because while one upholds every letter of the OT there is hope that one will accept the truths there. There is no monolithic rejection of God (nor even of Jesus) across the board in Rabbinical Judaism, I've searched for it and haven't found it. They are still pre-Christian, unlike most other nations being evangelized.
Don’t make me start calling you a lying kike bro, I don’t enjoy it.
https://communities.win/c/Christianity/p/1ARdRJJMpF/an-orthodox-jew-and-a-messianic-/c/4eZBKaQDGuf
And just to pre-empt you, here it is straight from the rabbis mouth
>To the degree that Talmudism rejects the Torah Judaism of Messianics
That “degree” is 100%. Fuck off with that same old diatribe. The monolithic rejection is their holy book saying (in a dozen places and contexts no less) hes an idolatrous sorcerer burning in hell for his sins.
Inb4”itsNOTtheirHolyBook”
Yes it is bitch.
Edit) can’t let this go unreplied to:
> They are still pre-Christian, unlike most other nations being evangelized.
What a load of horse shit. If anything, they’re one of the few “post-Christian” religions/societies on earth. They literally re-formed themselves in opposition to Christianity