Are you ready for the return of Jesus Christ? Have you been cleansed by His blood?
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Verily I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you - John 6:53
There's no life without the divine sacraments Baptism and Eucharist as found in His Church.
Hunger/thirst animates life...eating and drinking implies the living body responding to it while being consumed by hunger/thirst.
Only within the process of dying can life come into being.
Only within flow (inception towards death) can form (life) come into being...others suggest baptism as a rite to drown form within flow, which inverts flow animating form to resist the temptation of drowning.
What's the path of least resistance? Going with the flow, while ignoring to resist...that's drowning aka the baptism of fire.
Eu (to be) char (to like; want)...only within need (flow) can want (form) come into being. A being needs to resist want to sustain self. Others suggest a eucharist to distract from need by wanting from one another. It's ones consent to eucharism (communism) which makes one a eucharist aka food for the masses.
Yes, but some have turned it into a pagan sun-worshipping ritual practiced every Sunday, as the Roman Catholic Church has.
You mean the day our Lord was resurrected and destroyed death and made the world anew?
But worshipping Saturn in Saturday is much better, right? Wait, why do still use the roman calendar worshipping Janus in January and Mars in March? Are you a damn pagan? Have you considered the days of the week, much like the calendar, were inherited but their pagan context wasn't preserved? Like how pagan people get baptized and are still the same person but are now Christian? Retarded word-concept fallacy...
They can call the days whatever they like. The seventh day is still the seventh day.
The heavens, the earth, and all their vast array were finished. On the seventh day God finished his work which he had done; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. God blessed the seventh day, and made it holy, because he rested in it from all his work of creation which he had done. (Genesis 2:1-3)
You can come up with semantical reasons as to why you might not keep it, but disobedience is still disobedience. God sees the true intentions of your heart.
There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For he who has entered into his rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. Let’s therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience. For the word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart. There is no creature that is hidden from his sight, but all things are naked and laid open before the eyes of him to whom we must give an account. (Hebrews 4:9-13)
It's not semantical reason - the world was literally made anew with the Resurrection. The Sabbath was given by God in the Old Testament. But God made a New Testament with His people - the Christians. The NT transcends and fulfils the OT. Christians still honor the seventh day (OT) but the first day is superior (NT) and it has become the Lord's Day since God became flesh ("Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath").
Read the Church fathers on that. God wants you to obey His Church. Or don't and go with your own interpretation (that's not obedience btw, it's pride and you are being deceived by Satan and his footsoldiers) and continue in your judaizing heresy. Jews will do anything to deceive Christians into blasphemy and not worshipping Christ. They truly hate Him.
God wrote the Ten Commandments with His own hand—not Moses, not man, but the LORD God Himself (Exodus 31:18). Why would He suddenly change the seventh day Sabbath to Sunday? Where is the biblical evidence for that? There is none. Jesus affirmed the enduring nature of God’s Law, declaring that He did not come to abolish it but to fulfil it, and that not even the smallest part of the Law will pass away until heaven and earth pass away (Matthew 5:17-48). Instead, we know that pagan Rome, under Constantine, infiltrated Christianity and introduced Sunday observance, merging it with their own sun worship customs.
This isn’t some opinion—it’s a historical fact, and the information is out there for those who are genuinely looking. Yet many who argue for Sunday worship cling to a single moment in the book of Acts (Acts 20:7) where believers gathered on the first day of the week. If we’re being honest with ourselves, that was not a Sabbath gathering but a meeting after the Sabbath, at night (which in biblical timekeeping is part of the first day). They presumably gathered for a farewell meal and to support further evangelism—not to establish a new Sabbath. Furthermore, the book of Acts contains far more references to believers gathering on the Sabbath (refer to Acts 13:14, 42-44; 16:11-15; 17:1-2; 18:4).
Some try to justify the supposed change of the Sabbath to the first day of the week by stating that Jesus rose on that day (likely referring to Mark 16:9). Just because this important event may have occurred on a day other than the Sabbath does not, in any way, shape, or form, justify changing God’s Sabbath commandment. If it was to be changed because of such an event, then God would explicitly state this in scripture. Furthermore, there is evidence to suggest that Mark 16:9 (as well as verses 10-20) was a later addition, as it is not found in the earliest manuscripts. There is also strong scriptural evidence that Jesus did not rise on the first day of the week, but rather sometime before sundown on the Sabbath, three days and three nights after His death on the 4th day of the week (Matthew 12:40).
Meanwhile, there is abundant scripture proving that the Ten Commandments are still binding, have never changed, and that the Sabbath is still in effect. With remarkable audacity, the Roman Catholic Church admits that they believe they had the authority to change the Sabbath! They don’t even claim it was changed in the Bible—they just assert that they had the right to do it. This is consistent with Daniel’s prophetic vision (refer to Daniel 7:25). Furthermore, they are even so bold as to call it the day of the sun! Refer Catechism of the Catholic Church—II. The Lord’s Day: “We all gather on the day of the sun,”. The same abominations being committed during the time of Israel are being repeated today (Ezekiel 8:15-18), as it is written in Ecclesiastes 1:9, “That which has been is that which shall be, and that which has been done is that which shall be done; and there is no new thing under the sun”.
Which commandments should we obey, those of a man or those of God (Acts 5:29)? As Jesus once rebuked the Pharisees and scribes: “Why do you also disobey the commandment of God because of your tradition?” “You have made the commandment of God void because of your tradition.” Just as Isaiah prophesied of the people of Israel before the siege of Jerusalem, so it is today: “This people draws near with their mouth and honours me with their lips, but they have removed their heart far from me, and their fear of me is a commandment of men which has been taught.” “And they worship me in vain, teaching as doctrine rules made by men.” (Matthew 15:1-9 and Isaiah 29:13)
Great points! Was going to say "100%", but you slipped in one overcompensation that 7th-day resters often fall prey to, namely the "Wednesday crucifixion". I looked seriously at it for some time, but there is actually "strong scriptural evidence" that Jesus did in fact die on the sixth day and rose on the eighth day, and that the other timetable is special pleading. What happened was that the 7th-day folks didn't think they had enough ammo as is (but they do), and so they cast about for more, and they came up with the idea that Jesus must have risen on the 7th day even though it's against the plain reading of the text, and then combined that with the idea that the ancients didn't count inclusively just because we generally don't. Then everything else was patched in to support the Wednesday story.
I won't lay out all the lines right now, but suffice that at the same time Moses gave us Sabbath he also set aside a special purpose for "the day after Sabbath". Namely, twice a year it is the beginning of a work season at Firstfruits and at Weeks (Pentecost). For 1500 years Israel celebrated the first day twice a year alongside Sabbath, and these are exactly the two occasions in 33 AD that testify of Jesus rising and the Spirit coming (now called Resurrection Day, or "Easter", and Pentecost). So it'd be a bit silly for Jesus to rise on Saturday when the whole point of Firstfruits in Lev. 23 is that it begins the week and also points to a greater beginning of a week 50 days later, which the Spirit also kept.
I have never seen a 7th-day rester deny that Christian Pentecost fell on the 1st day; they just tend to ignore that, and that's because in the 19th century they found it convenient to continue a church distinction between the Ten Words and all other laws. It's been their bit ever since, and a very good one, to call out the rest of the church for keeping all the Ten Words except the Sabbath. All they need is to take this to its logical extension, and some of the 7th-day people discovered this and rightly called them to greater holiness, like Andrew Dugger. So the witness of the 7th day is only improved by admitting 1st-day Pentecost, and that logically removes the necessity of leaning on a crutch of Wednesday crucifixion.
Chronology link.
I studied this some years ago and put together this table that you may be interested in. It shows how I believe Jesus was crucified on the 4th day of the week and rose again on the seventh day before sunset: https://imgur.com/xuyMrUJ
“For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” (Matthew 12:40)
Do you observe all the laws and rituals given in the Torah? Why would God suddenly change His law?
I tried explaining to you how the NT overwrites the OT and that it has precedence over it. If no NT was required, we would still observe and worship like the jews of the OT did.
Lol "we know". Who's we? Are you aware that the Bible you quote was compiled by the Church that Constantine and pagan Rome allegedly infiltrated circa 4c? Why do you trust it wasn't tampered with? It's sad those low tier prot arguments against the Church, the Byzantine empire and Constantine still find ground after all these years.
The Ten Commandments (also referred to in Scripture as the Perfect Law of Liberty or Freedom—James 1:25; 2:12) were known and obeyed by God’s faithful people, presumably even before the Law was given at Sinai (refer Genesis 26:5). They were written on tablets of stone by the finger of God on Mount Sinai and are eternal. They continue into the New Covenant and they constitute the basic moral code for humanity (as further explained by Jesus) and are obeyed to demonstrate the believer’s love for God and his fellow man.
The Law of Moses is described as a yoke of slavery and has been “nailed to the stake”, fulfilled in and cancelled by Christ’s sacrifice. In the New Covenant, Christians are commanded to no longer keep this Law.
During the time of the Israelites, the two stone tablets containing the Ten Commandments were kept inside the Ark of the Covenant, under the mercy seat. In contrast, the Law of Moses was written on parchment (paper) and stored outside the Ark of the Covenant. The Ark of the Lord’s Covenant now rests in His temple in heaven (Revelation 11:19).
Jesus affirmed the enduring nature of God’s Law, declaring that He did not come to abolish it but to fulfil it, and that not even the smallest part of the Law will pass away until heaven and earth pass away (Matthew 5:17-48). Sadly, many who identify as Christians today do not keep the Ten Commandments, especially the second commandment, which forbids idolatry, and the fourth commandment, to remember the seventh day Sabbath, and often teach others to disregard them as well. This is despite Jesus’ warning that those who break even the least of God’s commandments and teach others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:19).
Like Mithras? Being cleansed by blood sounds satanic.
He was the lamb that was slain. His blood washes our sins away just as a regular lamb was done in the old covenant. Just saying this if you are unfamiliar. it's different than worshiping other gods. Leviticus 17:11 — “For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you for making atonement for your souls on the altar; for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.” Blood symbolizes life.
You need to eat his flesh and drink his blood - what’s wrong with that?
Remember, you are feted to foreswear your own ancestors in favour of the Israelites because you heard that god is with them.
So accept the messiah they conjured up for you and agree to eat the flesh and drink the blood, heathen!
Hate to break it to you but he came back already
The return of Christ will be unmistakeable, and not something that could secretly have happened.
Yeah it already happened. Millenial kingdom and all that.
It definitely looks and feel that way...we are in Satan's lil season.
Honestly the destruction of architecture and refusal to allow studies of ancient ruins kind of did that for me. I’m on board with the melted building hypothesis also. Seems like the world was full of gigantic buildings that got absolutely melted relatively recently.
I now see the grand canyon thru a different lens and it also explains the no go zone there and other places.
Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to him, we ask you not to be quickly shaken in your mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter as if from us, saying that the day of Christ has already come. Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction. He opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God. Don’t you remember that when I was still with you, I told you these things? Now you know what is restraining him, to the end that he may be revealed in his own season. For the mystery of lawlessness already works. Only there is one who restrains now, until he is taken out of the way. Then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the manifestation of his coming; even he whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deception of wickedness for those who are being lost, because they didn’t receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Because of this, God sends them a powerful delusion, that they should believe a lie, that they all might be judged who didn’t believe the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 WEBPB)
Correct. Already happened.
This is false doctrine. Where is Christ and His saints reigning over all the earth? Why aren't we visiting Jerusalem every year to keep the feast of booths, and since we aren't, how is it that we still have rain?
You don’t get to decide doctrine. Only Christ.
I did not write the Scriptures Bill Curtis. Your issue is not with me but with Christ.
Literally nothing you quoted proves that he didn’t already arrive. Go back and reread. He came already.
Hate to break it to you but he came back already.
The return of Christ will be unmistakeable, and not something that could secretly have happened.
Correct. Already happened.
You speak of Jesus's return, like if he had ever left. This is nonsense, it's called apocalyptic eschatology. eschatology is Greek that comes from the Greek éschatos which means the end of the world. End times, apoc apocalypse is Greek for revelation or unveiling, revealing. So apocalyptic eschatology means telling you how the world ends with the return of God so all this crap that is happening to us will be taken care of. So, God is planning to make his return to smite all his enemies to destroy all these empires who have besieged humanity. This is nothing more than Greek mythology, and you and many others call it Christianity End-times prophecy. Just nonsense.
No, this is reality, and unless you repent, you too will perish. God has set before you life and death—choose life @SonofaCoalMiner. Repent and believe in His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.
What exactly do you think I have done that I need repentance for?
That's exactly the Church's message, worship/accept Jesus and obey us or be condemned to hell. I've heard this countless number of times in my life.
I assume here by "His Son" you mean God's Son. So, you're saying, God has a son who is Lord, that is the Hebrew word adonai used to refer to the true God. And this son is also Christ, meaning the "anointed one" or "chosen one,". Christ comes from the Greek word Christos, which is equivalent to the Hebrew Mashiach or "Messiah".
Did I get this right? are you are telling me just embrace it, "believe in Jesus"? Faith is more important than reason. Is that what you are telling me?
Not either-or but both-and. I learned that faith and reason never conflict and I like sharing that liberating discovery with others.
Why do you you and u/PraiseGod, assuming you are two different individuals, want to convert me? what do I need to know more about Christianity than I already know? I know about Christmas and Easter and celebrate both. That means the birth and death of Jesus, which is all that the Church teach about him anyway. Nothing really in between.
Perhaps you are talking about the 18+ lost years the Bible is silent about. That's nearly two decades of Jesus' life missing from history, are you going to tell me that doesn't matter? or are you going to share this secret story with me, if I decide to convert? is this what you mean by "sharing that liberating discovery"?
"Christmas" and "Easter" are pagan festivals. They are not found in the Bible. The LORD God does not approve of worship in this way. As it is written:
Remember:
Christmas was established as a Christian festival in the 2nd century, and celebrates the birth of Christ. Easter was established by the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The council decreed that Easter would be celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon following the spring equinox. Easter celebrates Christ’s resurrection after he was Crucified on Good Friday. Both festivals/events tell a story.
The Bible also tells stories, from the beginning to the end. Why are the Christmas and Easter stories Bad (pagan) and Bible stories Good (holy)? both the festivals and the Bible are a product and receive the endorsement of the Roman Empire. They both were established/written by men who served the interests of the Empire.
I fully ejected "Christmas" and "Easter" from my life. Of course I retained Mosaic Firstfruits and also celebrated it as Resurrection Day (which is an internal question among 7th-day resters). Funny thing, 25 years later, I discovered there's enough evidence that the Christian tradition of Julian December 25 might well point to a confused echo that Jesus's annunciation, conception, "epiphany", genesis, and "nativity" might have occurred on 25 Dec of 5 BC, corresponding to his birth on the first of Tabernacles (6 Oct) in 4 BC. One intriguing line is that Haggai 2 prophesies this date as 24 Kislev and Simeon makes about ten references to Haggai 2 suggesting he could've recognized and approved the date.
Therefore one thing we need to do in getting along with those rampant 1st-day resters is to be open to a couple hints in the text that there may be good symbologic significance to some things they day even as they are overcome by evil symbologic significance that has infiltrated their practice unconsciously. There is a way by which everything is pure to the pure. Celebrating Mosaic Firstfruits and a 25 Dec conception nativity can be done without sin. (Technical note: for Gregorian-Julian alignment of 2 days the celebration should begin the evening of 23 Dec, making 25 Dec more of a diaspora date; but getting off work the evening of 23 Dec is what people do nowadays anyway.)
Yeah, I'm a c/Christianity mod, I jump in on such threads. But my nuance would be that I don't want you to "convert" anything unless it's what you want. I would think that everyone would want to be turned more toward what is true, and if that's the trajectory than specific turnpoints are less relevant.
Why do you celebrate Jesus's birth and death and what do they mean to you?
I don't keep secrets, I share what I have and others do too. I (and the churches in general) don't have explicit details on most of Jesus's upbringing. I have learned to spot Jesus in many other things, including the appearances of God sprinkled through the Scriptures, so that I've gotten to know him enough to know the kind of things he did from 9 to 29 AD, such that it's not important to me where he went or what he learned at that time because it can be judged by what can be known confidently of him.
I said specifically that it's a liberating discovery to know faith doesn't conflict with reason as you hinted they might. Belief that Jesus can do what he says has never conflicted with what can be found out by reason through facts and logic. You imply that the church has asked you to believe something contrary to logic. Permit me to apologize on behalf of the church for anything that might have given you that impression: there is never a contradiction, there is only a deeper logic that both transcends and subsumes any logical difficulty that may appear.
I didn't say that. I said "I know about Christmas and Easter and celebrate both". And if I was living in China, I would celebrate Chinese New Year, just as locals do.
Okay. So, you're not gonna tell me what Jesus did for almost two decades of his life, that the Bible keeps silent about. But, then you're telling me, it's Okay because of "what can be known confidently of him". We know next to nothing, almost zero, about Jesus. And here I mean the historical Jesus. We know plenty of what people who have never met him wrote about him decades later, after he passed away.
No, again I didn't say that. The Church didn't ask me to believe in anything, although some people I considered friends did. But that's to be expected, it's called brainwashing. As far as I'm concerned the Church is just a propaganda machine for TPTB and they serve the empire. So, let me just list a couple of things Church promotes. First, God exists as three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. But these three are somehow also one God. Second, Jesus died for our sins. So, according to the Bible, we got kicked out of the Garden of Eden because we disobeyed God and we ate from the Tree of Knowledge. And Jesus died on the cross to redeem us, to pay the debt that we owe to God. Third thing is that eventually Jesus will return in what's called the Second Coming. My opinion, Church and TPTB probably didn't have someone like Sigmund Freud or Joseph Goebbels in Rome in 3rd or 4th century, that's why they came up with this gold nuggets.
So, what Christianity (Church) says is that if you believe in Jesus, if you accept him as your Lord and Savior, you will go to heaven. But if you do not believe in Jesus, you will burn in hell for eternity. This makes Christianity a missionary religion. Meaning, if you're a Christian, you not only must believe in Jesus, but you must go out and try to convert other people. Because if they don't convert to Christianity during the Last Judgement, they will burn in hell and you will have failed them. That's exactly what u/PraiseGod said in the message to me. And this is the problem I see with what you are doing.
Yes, no contradiction, all kinds of things are unities in one sense and pluralities in another sense, so it would be natural for God to be so too.
Some use the debt metaphor but it's not the most straightforward and not the clearest thing to be drawn from the Bible. If someone gave you this somewhat sloppily, I apologize. The fact is that in our own lives we've made mistakes (without needing to blame Adam), and that Jesus agreed to suffer the consequences of our mistakes so that we wouldn't have to (e.g. consequences like everyone else's anger at the things you failed them in), and that the Father accepted this substitution so that everyone who demands anything from you for your mistakes can be pointed to Jesus who promises to make it right for them too. (He also gives us all the blessings he earned by his righteous life.) As the good Samaritan says, whatever debts the sick man accrues, charge me with them instead. It's simpler to understand that way.
The Bible doesn't say you've failed if you don't convert people in some number, that's indeed a pressure tactic and again I apologize if you got that impression from people. It actually says we can't convert people, none can be converted unless the Father does the work of drawing them. Our responsibility is not to force change but just to share truth and let the Spirit work where he wills. There's a key text in Ezekiel, if God tells you to warn a person and you don't, you're responsible; but don't let a lying spirit or attitude make you think you have to warn everybody when you can't, because that's not its point. Christianity is not about "must"! It's about what we joyfully get to do after someone else (Jesus) did what he must.
So, like I said, I have truths and I enjoy sharing them and people can take them or leave them, and I rejoice when people take them. (And I rejoice when I'm corrected that what I thought was truth wasn't actually complete.) Zero pressure. If it's pressure, I call it churchianity because it's not life in Christ anymore. I've even gotten a bit more liberal as I've aged about the second coming and hell, because rightly understood those are not about pressure either, though they would take a bit longer to explain and you didn't raise a specific question there about them. But I hope that shows that I am confident my news is pretty good.