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Are you ready for the return of Jesus Christ? Have you been cleansed by His blood? (returnofchrist.org)
posted 14 days ago by PraiseGod 14 days ago by PraiseGod +11 / -1
Are you ready for the return of Jesus Christ?
Read the gospel message of Jesus Christ—why we need salvation, how we are forgiven and cleansed from our sins by His blood, and the hope of eternal life.
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– PraiseGod [S] 2 points 3 days ago +2 / -0

God wrote the Ten Commandments with His own hand—not Moses, not man, but the LORD God Himself (Exodus 31:18). Why would He suddenly change the seventh day Sabbath to Sunday? Where is the biblical evidence for that? There is none. Jesus affirmed the enduring nature of God’s Law, declaring that He did not come to abolish it but to fulfil it, and that not even the smallest part of the Law will pass away until heaven and earth pass away (Matthew 5:17-48). Instead, we know that pagan Rome, under Constantine, infiltrated Christianity and introduced Sunday observance, merging it with their own sun worship customs.

This isn’t some opinion—it’s a historical fact, and the information is out there for those who are genuinely looking. Yet many who argue for Sunday worship cling to a single moment in the book of Acts (Acts 20:7) where believers gathered on the first day of the week. If we’re being honest with ourselves, that was not a Sabbath gathering but a meeting after the Sabbath, at night (which in biblical timekeeping is part of the first day). They presumably gathered for a farewell meal and to support further evangelism—not to establish a new Sabbath. Furthermore, the book of Acts contains far more references to believers gathering on the Sabbath (refer to Acts 13:14, 42-44; 16:11-15; 17:1-2; 18:4).

Some try to justify the supposed change of the Sabbath to the first day of the week by stating that Jesus rose on that day (likely referring to Mark 16:9). Just because this important event may have occurred on a day other than the Sabbath does not, in any way, shape, or form, justify changing God’s Sabbath commandment. If it was to be changed because of such an event, then God would explicitly state this in scripture. Furthermore, there is evidence to suggest that Mark 16:9 (as well as verses 10-20) was a later addition, as it is not found in the earliest manuscripts. There is also strong scriptural evidence that Jesus did not rise on the first day of the week, but rather sometime before sundown on the Sabbath, three days and three nights after His death on the 4th day of the week (Matthew 12:40).

Meanwhile, there is abundant scripture proving that the Ten Commandments are still binding, have never changed, and that the Sabbath is still in effect. With remarkable audacity, the Roman Catholic Church admits that they believe they had the authority to change the Sabbath! They don’t even claim it was changed in the Bible—they just assert that they had the right to do it. This is consistent with Daniel’s prophetic vision (refer to Daniel 7:25). Furthermore, they are even so bold as to call it the day of the sun! Refer Catechism of the Catholic Church—II. The Lord’s Day: “We all gather on the day of the sun,”. The same abominations being committed during the time of Israel are being repeated today (Ezekiel 8:15-18), as it is written in Ecclesiastes 1:9, “That which has been is that which shall be, and that which has been done is that which shall be done; and there is no new thing under the sun”.

Which commandments should we obey, those of a man or those of God (Acts 5:29)? As Jesus once rebuked the Pharisees and scribes: “Why do you also disobey the commandment of God because of your tradition?” “You have made the commandment of God void because of your tradition.” Just as Isaiah prophesied of the people of Israel before the siege of Jerusalem, so it is today: “This people draws near with their mouth and honours me with their lips, but they have removed their heart far from me, and their fear of me is a commandment of men which has been taught.” “And they worship me in vain, teaching as doctrine rules made by men.” (Matthew 15:1-9 and Isaiah 29:13)

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– SwampRangers 1 point 3 days ago +1 / -0

Great points! Was going to say "100%", but you slipped in one overcompensation that 7th-day resters often fall prey to, namely the "Wednesday crucifixion". I looked seriously at it for some time, but there is actually "strong scriptural evidence" that Jesus did in fact die on the sixth day and rose on the eighth day, and that the other timetable is special pleading. What happened was that the 7th-day folks didn't think they had enough ammo as is (but they do), and so they cast about for more, and they came up with the idea that Jesus must have risen on the 7th day even though it's against the plain reading of the text, and then combined that with the idea that the ancients didn't count inclusively just because we generally don't. Then everything else was patched in to support the Wednesday story.

I won't lay out all the lines right now, but suffice that at the same time Moses gave us Sabbath he also set aside a special purpose for "the day after Sabbath". Namely, twice a year it is the beginning of a work season at Firstfruits and at Weeks (Pentecost). For 1500 years Israel celebrated the first day twice a year alongside Sabbath, and these are exactly the two occasions in 33 AD that testify of Jesus rising and the Spirit coming (now called Resurrection Day, or "Easter", and Pentecost). So it'd be a bit silly for Jesus to rise on Saturday when the whole point of Firstfruits in Lev. 23 is that it begins the week and also points to a greater beginning of a week 50 days later, which the Spirit also kept.

I have never seen a 7th-day rester deny that Christian Pentecost fell on the 1st day; they just tend to ignore that, and that's because in the 19th century they found it convenient to continue a church distinction between the Ten Words and all other laws. It's been their bit ever since, and a very good one, to call out the rest of the church for keeping all the Ten Words except the Sabbath. All they need is to take this to its logical extension, and some of the 7th-day people discovered this and rightly called them to greater holiness, like Andrew Dugger. So the witness of the 7th day is only improved by admitting 1st-day Pentecost, and that logically removes the necessity of leaning on a crutch of Wednesday crucifixion.

Chronology link.

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– PraiseGod [S] 2 points 2 days ago +2 / -0

I studied this some years ago and put together this table that you may be interested in. It shows how I believe Jesus was crucified on the 4th day of the week and rose again on the seventh day before sunset: https://imgur.com/xuyMrUJ

“For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” (Matthew 12:40)

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– SwampRangers 1 point 1 day ago +1 / -0

In the churches I've been in we have people of both positions accepting each other and sharing details. I've looked into those details but I find that they primarily come from difficulty understanding the Bible's wide use of inclusive counting, and difficulty understanding the Bible's use of the first day of the week as a Mosaic type. Then the whole interpretation is constructed around those difficulties as if it doesn't create more problems.

Some samples, just picking from your chart: (1) No blood moon in 31, but there was one in 33 via lunar eclipse (Acts 2:16-21); (2) No typological 10 Nisan entry represented by the inspection of the lamb because 10 Nisan would be on Sabbath, not a journeying day (Ex. 12:3); (3) No evidence that "preparation" was a term for a day before an annual rest day, because there was no food prep on such days but only before Sabbath (Ex. 16:5); (4) The holy convocation of 15 Nisan is not called "Sabbath" or "Sabbatical" anywhere, only "miqra" (assembly, Lev. 23:7); (5) Modern translations select the past rather than the perfect to translate the aorist in Mark 16:1, while KJV uses perfect tense to indicate the reading compatible with the 6th-day crucifixion and all other verses: "When the sabbath was past, [they] had bought sweet spices", i.e., at the end of Sabbath they had already bought them.

That brings us to the many lines of argument that "three days and three nights" is not to be taken as it reads in literal English. First, in literal English it is incompatible with the more-frequent phrase "on the third day"; the position ignores all these and their similarities. Second, David also uses "on the third day" interchangeably with "three days agone" and "three days and three nights", 1 Sam. 30:1, 12-13. Third, several narratives demonstrate that a three-day cycle was a common narrative framing and "third day" was synonymous with what we call "day after tomorrow". Fourth, this agrees with every other evidence of inclusive counting demonstrated in the Bible and Near East literature generically. I have several more points in the files.

So if one is willing to respect all the texts I believe one is gradually weaned of the Wednesday theory. I took time to consider it and on occasions favored it a bit, but I realized it introduces far more inconsistencies than it resolves. Thanks for listening!

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– SmithW1984 -1 points 3 days ago +1 / -2

Why would He suddenly change the seventh day Sabbath to Sunday?

Do you observe all the laws and rituals given in the Torah? Why would God suddenly change His law?

I tried explaining to you how the NT overwrites the OT and that it has precedence over it. If no NT was required, we would still observe and worship like the jews of the OT did.

Instead, we know that pagan Rome, under Constantine, infiltrated Christianity and introduced Sunday observance, merging it with their own sun worship customs.

Lol "we know". Who's we? Are you aware that the Bible you quote was compiled by the Church that Constantine and pagan Rome allegedly infiltrated circa 4c? Why do you trust it wasn't tampered with? It's sad those low tier prot arguments against the Church, the Byzantine empire and Constantine still find ground after all these years.

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– PraiseGod [S] 0 points 2 days ago +1 / -1

The Ten Commandments (also referred to in Scripture as the Perfect Law of Liberty or Freedom—James 1:25; 2:12) were known and obeyed by God’s faithful people, presumably even before the Law was given at Sinai (refer Genesis 26:5). They were written on tablets of stone by the finger of God on Mount Sinai and are eternal. They continue into the New Covenant and they constitute the basic moral code for humanity (as further explained by Jesus) and are obeyed to demonstrate the believer’s love for God and his fellow man.

The Law of Moses is described as a yoke of slavery and has been “nailed to the stake”, fulfilled in and cancelled by Christ’s sacrifice. In the New Covenant, Christians are commanded to no longer keep this Law.

During the time of the Israelites, the two stone tablets containing the Ten Commandments were kept inside the Ark of the Covenant, under the mercy seat. In contrast, the Law of Moses was written on parchment (paper) and stored outside the Ark of the Covenant. The Ark of the Lord’s Covenant now rests in His temple in heaven (Revelation 11:19).

Jesus affirmed the enduring nature of God’s Law, declaring that He did not come to abolish it but to fulfil it, and that not even the smallest part of the Law will pass away until heaven and earth pass away (Matthew 5:17-48). Sadly, many who identify as Christians today do not keep the Ten Commandments, especially the second commandment, which forbids idolatry, and the fourth commandment, to remember the seventh day Sabbath, and often teach others to disregard them as well. This is despite Jesus’ warning that those who break even the least of God’s commandments and teach others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:19).

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