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Are the (100s) of upvotes on here fake?
posted 1 year ago by Section23 1 year ago by Section23 +12 / -3

Whenever I ask a question I get no notice but it seems memes and news gets 100s of upvotes which I bet they all happen at once in an insanely inhuman speed. I am wondering if they are paid trolls or AI bots where most of this site is just that? I notice they are all news memes now just stupid sound bites.

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– Neo1 3 points 1 year ago +5 / -2

I've been here for 4 years (this acc is 2 yrs old because I forgot my password to the first), and I can 100% confirm this is a honeypot forum.

I can even tell you the actual bots/shills in here, who will insult, or spam, as that's their tactic to overtake a site.

u/free-will-of-choice - 100% just a bot. I tested him by sending pages from the Bible, and he doesn't even react any differently, just the usually etymology for the insane drug addicts. However, the work of the bot is to note the topic, and the important details shared, so the actual shills can then demolish any discussion.

u/TallestSkil - a rage bot/shill. He is here only to insult. And the question is - who is upvoting him?

u/pkvi - spams meaningless topics that have no conclusion through many accounts to create "forum sliding". Also, hates Jesus for some reason...

u/crusaderpepe - spams allegedly Christian music daily, because Trump's vote depends on the Christians. Of course, if you read the Bible, those songs are full of blasphemies, auto-tunes, shamefull images (of what he thinks is Jesus) and don't represent at all real Christianity. Rather they sway towards the Catholic perversion. I used to expose him with posts and comments, but got tired since nobody, or very small number of people, actually care about that... But I bet you that he will stop after the US elections.

u/CrazyRussian - Most probably not a real Russian, just using the name as a cover. He never provides information to clear his point, rather works with a lot of text, and no links, so he can confuse even more the discussion. It's a technique called "Consensus cracking".

There are many, many more, but I can remember just these usual suspects from the top of my head. I blocked so many shills and bots, that I can't even count. And what is done by the mods if you report them? NOTHING.

In the past, this forum had discussions, and the shills weren't even that easy to find. Here's an example, where I expose a shill, who supports a pedophile - https://conspiracies.win/p/17rmXd1dBY/attention-people-we-have-a-rat-i/c/ (Stats: 21 upvotes / 22 comments)

(I saw him once in the comments, and reminded him of this link. To that he said "iykyk", meaning "if you know, you know". I guess that was for other shills, so they can recognize each other.)

Now, observe this one - https://conspiracies.win/p/17ty2ksqSl/ucrusaderpepe-got-60-upvotes-a-c/c/ (Stats: 9 upvotes / 2 comments). No real discussion about a user in here, who got over 60 upvotes in a couple of days... Where are these 60+ users, who upvote him? Aren't they supposed to downvote me to -60? Where are they??? xd

https://conspiracies.win/p/17tegZSGDy/friendly-reminder-on-how-to-spot/c/ - Here's a helpful guide on how to spot the shills/bots, and it explains the terms "forum sliding", and "consensus cracking", and many others.


It's an echo chamber.

There are also many users in here who think they know everything, and will not support any questions, or discussions. Basically, "I said so" type of behavior.

All working perfectly to silence any rational thought, or any investigation.

No discussion allowed.

I compared recently my account here, with my account on reddit, and I got mostly post upvotes here (very few comment upvotes), while in reddit the comments are most popular, while I posted/commented in about the same frequency in both sites.

Here's a post I made to expose the IDF shills - https://conspiracies.win/p/17txacsozw/yes-the-shills-are-in-here/c/ (Stats: 13 upvotes / 18 comments), notice the discussion. And remember that if you scroll now through the posts, they only have a maximum of 2 comments each... Except for u/turtlebam's post "RFK Destroys NWO!", which was a very clever bait. I actually liked that post. But do you see that only baiting works in here?

Here's another post, where I directly wanted to expose the recent activities of the most popular posters - https://conspiracies.win/p/17txy0naE4/top-influencers-of-this-communit/ - Notice the upvote/downvote ratio and the amount of comments. Only baits work, or directly exposing something/someone.

[Notice the user u/suicidetruthbomber in the comments - he is a clear shill that will DERAIL the discussion, while pretending he did nothing wrong. Also known as "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil" shill tactic. E.g.: https://conspiracies.win/p/1994kLbUO4/]

My conclusion: Create your own forum. This one is dead. I reduced my activity to simply share data, if anyone finds it interesting, without any follow-up to the petty insults, and the usual misdirection comments. However, I coincidentally read your post, and since the topic has been a recent injury for me (realizing this is a dead echo chamber), I thought I'd give you my 2 cents.

Hope this has any value for someone.

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– Ok_Pragmatism_7926 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

It was valuable and I agree. Been here since the beginning as well. I remember our fallen contemporaries. Like good ol magapede

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– CrusaderPepe 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

I just want to go on the record in saying that I am NOT pro-Trump. I have criticized Trump for being too pro-Jewish. I will vote for neither Trump nor Kamala because I do believe that if you vote for either Democrats or Republicans that your votes ultimately go to Jews, which is why I wrote this song:

https://rumble.com/v565g9s-all-votes-go-to-jews.html

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– TallestSkil 2 points 1 year ago +3 / -1

WAAAAAAAA MOOOOOOMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYY

THE BAD MAN PROVED ME WRONG AND THAT HURT MY FEE FEES

AND WHEN I REFUSED TO SO MUCH AS CITE MY OWN CLAIMS–NEVER MIND DISPROVE HIS–HE CALLED ME A MEAN NAAAAAAME

MAKE HIM STOOOOOOOOP I WANT TO BE ALLOWED TO SPAM PROVEN LIES FOREVER

At least you weren’t a coward this time, though please note that using the u/ formatting doesn’t actually work when you’re making the word bold. No one got pinged in your post.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 1 point 1 year ago +2 / -1

I agree with you, except I think you're confusing different interpretations of Scripture (there are 40,000 denominations after all) as shilling, which is silly.

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– Neo1 0 points 1 year ago +2 / -2

I think you're confusing different interpretations of Scripture (there are 40,000 denominations after all) as shilling, which is silly.

If I got something wrong, could you point it out?

https://www.youtube.com/@ChristianVideoVault - This is a great channel to show you how many "Christian" denominations are not Christian at all...

Am I wrong to point out the same thing?

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– Mad_King_Kalak 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Yes, but only because it's a waste of time.

39,999 other denominations have a different idea than this guy's.

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– Neo1 2 points 1 year ago +3 / -1

So, you can't point it out. Not surprised... Actually it was my fault for unblocking you.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Silly goose, nobody has an authority to say which denomination has the right interpretation. I'm stating something as obvious as saying the sky is blue.

One person say the Bible supports X, you say it supports Y. That doesn't make you a shill any more than it makes the other guy.

You have Protestant brain rot.

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– free-will-of-choice 0 points 1 year ago +1 / -1

100% just a bot. I tested him...and he doesn't...

Dehumanization by calling someone a "bot"; followed by humanizing a bot with "he; him" pronouns...

free-will-of-choice...I tested him by sending pages from the Bible, and he doesn't even react any differently.

a) An attempt to change free will of choice with suggested scriptures...

b) Free implies different from one another; because alike implies bound to each other.

etymology for the insane

What if it's the other way around? Only insane aka in sanus aka within sound can one reason (logy) about the true sense of words (etymo)...

the work of the bot is to note the topic

What if ones free will of choice can simply draw perceivable inspiration from any suggested topic?

Ask yourself...if most are choosing to follow along suggested topics, while reasoning (upvote vs downvote) against each other about them; then why do the comments of ones free will of choice differ from the "norm"?

the bot is to note the topic...so the actual shills can then demolish any discussion.

Can you link an example where a comment by ones free will of choice was followed by hostility from others against the topic?

If that's too hard to find; then try looking for hostility aimed at ones free will of choice for commenting differently one any topic...

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– PeneDeMichelleObama 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

the bot proves that it is a bot.

free-will-of-choice bot is

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– BladesLastBottle 2 points 1 year ago +4 / -2

its like everything, you have to sift thru the shit. the real convos here tend happen in the comments now instead of actual posts. This place has gone down hill over the last year.

Its s shame cus there are some people here who are worth listening too but they tend to only show up in comments. you can spend hours researching for a good post and just have it get zero interaction here.

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– TallestSkil 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

you can spend hours researching for a good post and just have it get zero interaction here.

Damn right.

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– Ok_Pragmatism_7926 2 points 1 year ago +5 / -3

Well this is a pro Trump community (the dot wins on the whole) created by Michael Flynn, also known as "Q."

Anything pro Trump or anti Democrat gets upvoted by bots and shills immediately because, after all, this is a propaganda tentacle of the Trump campaign.

Now, I must note that out of all the communities here, this one in particular seems to be the only one that gives any pushback against Trump and the entire two party system/illusion of American politics.

In fact, much to my surprise, this community pushes back against Trump even more than r/conspiracy.

Credit where credit is due.

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– TallestSkil 1 point 1 year ago +2 / -1

this is a pro Trump community (the dot wins on the whole)

Wrong. Fuck off, communist.

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– Ok_Pragmatism_7926 0 points 1 year ago +1 / -1

Whoah, holy grasping at straws, batman! No need to sperg out and do something drastic. Even if nobody would miss you and the world would be a better place without you, I still don't think you should end it. Then again, I guess I don't know how truly bad life must be for you, i just see the symptoms of it here. Tell us, how close are you, Ian?

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– TallestSkil 0 points 1 year ago +3 / -3

Well this is a pro Trump community (the dot wins on the whole) created by Michael Flynn, also known as "Q.”

You’re mentally disabled and need to be remanded to a psychiatric institution for the safety of everyone in your life.

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– Ok_Pragmatism_7926 -1 points 1 year ago +1 / -2

Yeah. Except it's true and you're a sad faggot:

https://littlesis.org/org/191551-Patriot_Defense_Group,_LLC/interlocks

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– TallestSkil 1 point 1 year ago +2 / -1

Thanks for admitting it’s not true. Reported for spam. Q-LARP has a containment board. You are not allowed to post your proven jewish hoax on this board.

Establishing legitimacy

Let’s talk about statistics. Let’s talk about the concept itself. Q-level clearance exists within the Department of Energy. What the fuck does that have to do with anything regarding the court system? What does that have to do with anything Q-LARP has claimed it knows? Look at the number of people who have Q-level clearance. All none of them. What’s the likelihood that any of them are committing an executable offense by posting on an imageboard? Look at the posts. Why don’t they say anything? Someone that important–if it actually has knowledge he wants to disseminate–is also not going to type cryptic bullshit. It’s also not going to ask questions that it doesn’t answer. It’s going to explicitly release real data, with citations, directly from a source. The sum total of Q-LARP is an exercise in postdiction. Everything it has said is too vague to actually mean anything. It never says anything of any value or specificity. A combination of pareidolia, confirmation bias, and apophenia does the rest. PEOPLE ARE LOST. THEY ARE BROKEN. THEY FEEL WORTHLESS AND WEAK AND POWERLESS. WHAT BETTER WAY TO PREY ON THEM THAN TO CONTROL THE OPPOSITION? They won’t question you if you can trick them this way.

Establishing trustworthiness

Someone that important is, statistically, owned by jews. It’s just that simple. In fact, Q-LARP is entirely owned by jews. It admits it. It openly admits to being civic nationalist. It doesn’t support a restoration of the US or Europe to being white-only nations. It doesn’t support deportation of nonwhites. Since the first week, it has called for protection of nonwhites, from the whites who would see them deported/killed. It openly calls for regime change in Iran for the sole purpose of fulfilling the Oded Yinon Plan. Q-LARP has publicly stated it has no intention of removing jews from the West or punishing jews collectively.

Establishing realism

What purpose is served by leaking the proceedings of nationwide martial law and the arrest of three quarters of the US government… FIVE ENTIRE YEARS early? Why is that helpful to anyone except the people toward whom it is supposedly directed? Oh, and why has it taken so long? FIVE ENTIRE YEARS of waiting is FIVE ENTIRE YEARS to prepare. You realize that even the group that Q-LARP talks about is one of the highest flight risks on earth, right? Why would anyone want to give them time to escape? How does that help us? It doesn’t. It helps THEM. It helps them so much that it hurts us. This is on purpose. Q-LARP exists to create an Orwellian narrative about “the bad people being arrested”, so that when all the good people are arrested they will say that good people are bad people, and the stupid Q-LARPing masses will simply believe it and help commit their own genocide. We’ve already seen this for 75 years. Why do you think it isn’t continuing?

Why would someone ostensibly leaking the proceedings not actually leak any information? Why would someone who claims to be on our side not give us a playbook for how to operate during the event? Why isn’t it telling us how to become leaders of our community to calm the terrified millions around us–who will inevitably exist once the media starts reporting on the “Trump coup”, or when they see their favorite media reporters arrested by the military live on air? Why is Q-LARP a civic nationalist? How does that help America? How is Trump is magically insulated during what will be painted internationally as a soft coup? Why would the apparatus allow him to engage in this coup to the extent that he would actually be protected? Why does the coup–by Q-LARP’s own admission–not cover the actual PROBLEMS facing this country? Even if Q-LARP is a real “organization” of a sort, everything it says points to the action as being nothing more than “Part A of the ZOG wants to do something Part B of the ZOG doesn't.”

Establishing results

If there is something, why is nothing Q-LARP said would happen happening? Where’s the Emergency Broadcast System announcement? Where’s Trump using Obama’s emergency television override to speak to the people? Where’s the martial law? Where are the riots it talked about during said martial law? Where’s the Huma arrest? Where are the Podesta arrests? They were supposed to be in custody by now; no one has any information on that beyond your continued shilling campaign.

Establishing psychology

Already touched on this at the end of the first section. So Q-LARP’s going to arrest most of the US government, right? All the bad people going away. And what’s this? It says that WE won’t have to grab our guns and help out? Why, that’s exactly what we would want! Happy day! All of our dreams are coming true, and we didn’t even have to put in an ounce of work ourselves! Hooray! It’s over! We’re saved! Don’t ever question the validity of these claims! Just spend FIVE ENTIRE YEARS ignoring everything else that is ACTUALLY happening around the world, never mind your own wildly successful campaign of “It’s okay to be white.” Because nothing ever came from YOU doing an honest day’s work!

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH. THE ZOG WILL NOT ARREST THE ZOG. ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU TO SIT ON YOUR ASS AND DO NOTHING IS NOT ONLY LYING TO YOU, HE IS A JEWISH SHILL.

Explain your reason for believing otherwise.

Establishing inconsistencies

  • If, as Q-LARP says, there are more patriots than traitors in the government, why did they let the last 75 years happen?
  • If, as Q-LARP says, Obama went to North Korea, where is the evidence?
  • If, as Q-LARP says, the CIA/alphabet agencies were responsible for the 11 minute Twitter takedown of POTUS account, where is the evidence?
  • If, as Q-LARP says, elections no longer matter, where is the evidence?
  • If, as Q-LARP says, martial law is inbound, where is the evidence?
  • If, as Q-LARP says, mass arrests of the government are inbound, where is the evidence?
  • If, as Q-LARP says, it is real, why is Donald Trump no longer in power and his entire legacy destroyed for all eternity? If Donald Trump is magically the “shadow emperor,” why is every government policy being put into force a direct contradiction of what Q-LARP says it supports?
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– SuicideTruthbomber 0 points 1 year ago +3 / -3

Could you find me a pro-Trump post from this month?

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– Neo1 2 points 1 year ago +4 / -2

https://conspiracies.win/search?params=trump&community=Conspiracies

Here's all the pro-Trump posts from 1 day ago, from 2 days ago, from 3 days ago, etc. in this community.

There are many posted daily (except 5 days ago for whatever reason).

Pick your favorite, and we can discuss that.

EDIT: Look what I found - your post - https://conspiracies.win/p/17txtHrpRI/epsteins-cellmate-nicholas-tarta/c/ (18 days ago) - "Nick Meets Epstein and discusses government seeking dirt on Trump to impeach him in"

HA! Red-handed... surprise, surprise.

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– SuicideTruthbomber 0 points 1 year ago +3 / -3

Those are posts with the word "Trump" in the title. Many of them are quite negative.

I don't believe me posting an audio recording of Jeffrey Epstein's cellmate is pro-Trump. It is apropos and fascinating in my view.

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– Neo1 4 points 1 year ago +5 / -1

Everyone can see the posts and your post.

Deflect all you want.

You were caught in your own lie.

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– SuicideTruthbomber -2 points 1 year ago +2 / -4

How did I lie? How is anything I wrote this month "pro-Trump propaganda?" It's not.

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– Neo1 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

Sharing an "audio" that makes it look like the deep state is against Trump?

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– SuicideTruthbomber -1 points 1 year ago +2 / -3

Wait, so now any aspect of that conspiracy that doesn't suit your version of events is "pro-Trump." Wow. You are very biased.

Anyway, that was last month and I simply asked a person making the claim that this forum supports trump to find an example in the past week.

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– Section23 [S] -1 points 1 year ago +1 / -2

This sub shows the reality that it's all one party the CCP.

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– TallestSkil 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

oy vey goyim it’s the Chinese

ignore that every single western politician is directly owned by jews and they brag about it on public media

it’s the see see pee!

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– Section23 [S] 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Furthermore they send Chinese as spies because if the spies refuse their families at home get taken as prisoner and also likely sent to the chop shop.

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– BeefyBelisarius 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

You can tell because all of our top politicians have to make a pilgrimage to China, where they pose for photos touching the Great Wall of China while wearing one of those funny Chinese hats.

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– Section23 [S] 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

All of China's fake world cities now are literally falling down as pieces of the buildings come apart and hopefully not kill anybody. Look up ATV China.

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– TallestSkil 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

That’d be nice if it would lead to anything, but it won’t. There are 1.6 billion Chinese in the world. If ONE BILLION of them died, they would still be the second most populous nation on Earth. There’s nothing anyone will do to stop them.

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– Section23 [S] 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Watch some of the older videos of ATV China showing the deeper parts of how it worked. It's quite an eye opener. I knew some of the details but didn't realize how much it entailed! My favorite is the one where they tried to fix an elevator light out of pocket and the interesting results that happened.

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– Section23 [S] 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

And those same Jews have ties to the CCP too. It was the 'thing to do' from the 70s onwards though it was actually ass backwards. In China everyone thought they could be the one monopoly to rule but the problem is the CCP owns your company essentially and you do what they say or you go to the chop shop literally.

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– TallestSkil 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

And those same Jews have ties to the CCP too.

Sure, they created it. Jews are the only non-Han ethnicity that can have inner party status in China as a result of them creating the fucking country as it stands today.

the problem is the CCP owns your company essentially and you do what they say or you go to the chop shop literally.

It’s almost as though communism is objectively metaphysically evil or something…

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– ItsOkayToBeWight 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

This sounds like this is worth gathering some information.

Up you're up for it, I would recommend this script:

  1. Check new every minute for new posts. Add posts to a list for tracking.
  2. Iterate over the tracked posts. Check the upvotes, downvotes, and number of comments on each. Log this information. Run it through a sanity checker. After some amount of time (12 hours?) remove a post from the list of tracked posts.
  3. The sanity checker will take some tuning. This function will check upvote/comment ratio to see if it exceeds some upper bound. Memes regularly hit 50 upvotes with 0 comments for example. This may or may not be suspicious. It will also look for suspicious surges up upvotes. So if there's a sudden jump in the last minute or last 10 minutes that is unusual, then log that information.
  4. Dump the log periodically.

You can examine the data to see if there's anything unusual happening. If the flagging is consistently done by specific users, if those users are posting with unusual patterns. I remember some curious redditors finding posts that were posting about 1once a minute or had absolutely no breaks as one might expect from a human that would take a break to sleep.

We're at the point where you could literally feed this list to chat GPT and it would write it for you.

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– PeneDeMichelleObama 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

the down votes are fake.

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