Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is a woman, sorta.
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Here's IBA's statement - they tested the guy and found he was indeed male. He could have appealed the ruling but did not:
https://www.iba.sport/news/statement-made-by-the-international-boxing-association-regarding-athletes-disqualifications-in-world-boxing-championships-2023/
Kek.
Pathetic. They disqualified her because she won against a Russian.
Why didn't "she" appeal in the CAS, smart guy?
Please elaborate what you mean by that.
What I said in my other comment - he could have appealed the decision in front of the court of arbitration for sport, get another test and prove the impossible - that he's a she.
Which test showed that she's a man? Please post the results here.
Just look at that dude's skeletal structure. That's a man, man.
The test is confidential. They underwent a test for gender eligibility and failed it. They could appeal it but didn't? Isn't it strange they opted out of demanding justice be served and forfeited their medals?
If the test is confidential, how do you know what ut says?
Fucking liar.
The discussion online about this issue is borderline retarded. Women's rights, trans rights, yadda yadda yadda. The actual situation is a more interesting.
Imane Khelif was born a girl. She's not trans. Hormone replacement therapy and gender affirming care just isn't a thing in Algeria.
This isn't a situation like the college swimmer Lia Thomas who decided to change from male to female and compete against other women..
Now here is the interesting part: The olympic committee bases athlete eligibility on what gender their passport says and doesn't do genetic testing.
Another committee, the IBA tested her last year. She was disqualified from that tournament because it was believed the tests showed she was genetically male, but the IBA didn't release the results.
Here's the most likely situation:
She was born a girl, has a female anatomy, but also has something like Swyer Syndrome which gives her presenting female features, and male XY chromosomes. As she has grown, she didn't go through normal female puberty but instead exhibited more masculine development including more muscle and testosterone, etc. My guess is she doesn't have periods and is infertile. She's essentially a dude in a female body.
So, like 90% of the athletes in the olympics, she's a genetic freak. I mean Labron and Usain Bolt are both genetic freaks in their own right. Except we have a division for her type of genetic freakiness, it's called the male division.
It can't be a biological woman and have Y chromosome, because only males have an Y chromosome - it's how gender is determined. It's a guy with some genetic syndrome. If the debates online showed anything, it's that people failed biology hard.
What if you have a Y chromosome but are born with a vagina and no penis. How do you square that circle? Historically (at least before genetic testing) gender was determined by what you have between your legs.
That's possible only if it is XXY, X0+XY or XX+XY mutation. In any case it could not be a woman. Woman is XX. Man is XY. Everything else, regardless of havimg vagina or penis or both, or none is a deviation. Mutant. And 100% not a woman.
There is no such thing as what now named "gender". There is only two biological sexes and rare mutations.
But really, completely another thing is important. It is absolutely clear and obvious that fucking "professional sports" slave owners intentionally search and enslave that rare mutants with a goal to cheat in "competitions" using advantage (larger strength, so much less training and mediacation necessary) of such mutants over woman. Having two of that extremely rare mutants in one competition proves undoubtedly that such search and enslavement done purposedly and intentionally.
Interesting that both mutants was not very succesfull in previous competitions with women, like they was brought to competition without any serious training in the hope that their advantage will be enough to win. But now looks like they are much more succesfull. This also proves that even a little (only few years) training allow mutants defeat normal women who spent all their life in endless work-outs.
Such mutations are extremely rare, around 0.007%, but they are thoroughly searched and used in "professional sports" since beginning of 20 century when sport become busines.
As for me, this is absolutely sick and disgusting. Search for people with such mutations and force them into sports to cheat over normal women.
That's not likely. The Y chromosome leads to expression of primary and secondary male characteristics including a penis, which could be underdeveloped (they usually cut it off in infancy, leaving the person to lead a life as a perceived female, or maybe an eunuch in the past?). Intersex people aka hermaphrodites are always male biologically (they could have additional X or even 2 or 3 X chromosomes). How they were perceived in culture is subjective but genetically speaking they are always male.
Based on what rudimentary reading I have done on the topic (I am the opposite of an expert), male genitalia on people with Swyer Syndrome does not develop at all. In other words, nothing needs to be cut off.
External Genitalia:
National Organization for Rare Disorders (NORD). “Swyer Syndrome.”
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Has anyone confirmed it's a case of Swyer syndrome?
No and that's part of the issue related to the whole discussion. Lot's of conjecture, not a lot of detail. If you look at the IBA statement which you shared (thanks for that btw), it says the following:
"Point to note, the athletes did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential. This test conclusively indicated that both athletes did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors."
They didn't say why the athletes failed eligibility, other than they used recognized testing that it wasn't testosterone examination. That statement leads me to believe it was a chromosome test and that Sywer syndrome seems like the most likely explanation. But ya, that's conjecture, not fact.
If true, that would make her/him intersex. Not a tranny but not a female. This is not the same as 90% of althetes like you said. It would instead make her genetically abnormal. Most athletes may present more masculine than the average population but they aren't this kind of Abnormal.
So there are more genders than male and female?
It's important to understand this through the concept of "the exception that proves the rule." For instance, when a person is born with an extra arm or without a leg, we don't conclude that humans have anywhere from 0 to 5 arms and legs. Instead, we recognize these conditions as anomalies, deviations from the typical human anatomy due to genetic or developmental issues.
Similarly, intersex individuals are not evidence of a new sex category. Rather, they are either biologically male or female with variations that arise from genetic or developmental anomalies. These variations don't constitute new sexes but rather reflect atypical presentations of the two existing sexes. Just as having an atypical number of limbs is a medical condition, intersex variations are understood within the context of medical and genetic anomalies, not as indicators of additional sexes.
"Exception that proves the rule" isn't a law of nature. You cannot use it in a serious argument.
So, are intersex individuals men, women, both or neither?
Please give a clear answer instead of this noncommittal wall of text.
The english language is fairly vague so it often required verbose language to be precise. In otherwords its easy to oversimplify.
"The exception that proves the rule" is a phrase used to illustrate that anomalies highlight the existence of a general rule. While it's not a law of nature, it's a valid rhetorical device to explain concepts. Like, dispite the fact humans are suppose to have 2 arms and 2 legs, doesn't mean those with an abnormal amount are a new class of human. They are instead an exception to the rule.
Regarding intersex individuals, they are typically categorized based on their predominant biological characteristics.
The key point is that intersex conditions are variations within the broader categories of male and female, rather than entirely separate sexes. They highlight the complexity of human biology but do not constitute new sex categories. They are exceptions to the rule.
Intersex is not considered another sex because it encompasses a wide range of variations within the existing categories of male and female rather than constituting a distinct, separate category.
So, intersex are either male or female.
Why didn't you just say so?
Intersex are either male or female.
No, there are genetic mutation leading to abnormalities in males and females.
So, is this a genetically abnormal woman then?
Wrong again - it's a genetically abnormal man (XY).
There is no evidence for this claim except some rumours on the internet.
None, zero. You are just parroting someone else's claims.
It's the claims made by the federation that disqualified those guys on the grounds of not meeting gender criteria. Claims which the boxers didn't appeal for some reason. They could have easily taken another test proving their sex.
My point was that many (not all) olympians while not intersex, are genetically special. There are not many humans that can run a top speed of 27.8mph like Usain Bolt or swim the 200m butterfly in 1:54 like Michael Phelps no matter how hard they practiced and trained.
I understand that Olympic athletes both lifted genetically and have worked hard enough to extend their genetic gifts.
there is zero evidence for that, only unsubstantiated claims on the internet.