Just your ordinary Seventh-Day Adventists sending you Ellen G. White's greatest book of the 19th century. The book reads fine enough.
They've been warning people for 180 years that the new world order will create laws forcing people to rest on Sunday and that obeying them is partnership with the devil.
They were finally right in 2020, when the government shut down all businesses on Sunday (as well as all the other days).
They're mostly tamed now, but they really want you to rest on Saturday, many of them don't believe in hell, and they still have a funny theory about Jesus opening the holiest place in 1844.
That's a good idea but imagine if instead of such normie garbage someone sent people hard hitters like Quigley, Sutton, Coleman, Mullins, The Protocols of Zion, etc.
Talking to bing AI.. check it out how it shuts 'er down when I ask about this chick who wrote the book and like come on.. that's not "prophecy" like the guy in this pastor vid who, 4 months ago talked about Trump getting grazed in the right ear during a rally. It shuts er down. Her shit is not very "prophet", like that dude, ok.
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"the great controversy" book.. got a free 500 page book in the snail mail box and wasn't addressed. Looked into it and seems to happen to a lot of people. Who's sending these out. Seems like it was written by a lady in the early 1900's. What "denomination" is this "religion"?
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It sounds like you received a copy of “The Great Controversy” by Ellen G. White. This book is often distributed by the Seventh-day Adventist Church, a Christian denomination that Ellen G. White co-founded12.
The mass distribution of this book is part of a large-scale evangelistic effort by the church. Organizations like Remnant Publications, based in Michigan, are known for sending out these books to various locations across the United States and beyond34. The aim is to share their religious beliefs and provide information about the perceived ongoing spiritual battle between good and evil35.
Did you find the book interesting or have any specific thoughts about it?
You
Oh I'm in Canada and it seems US based, the content.
Copilot
Yes, the distribution efforts for “The Great Controversy” are quite extensive and often originate from the United States. However, the Seventh-day Adventist Church has a global presence, including in Canada, which is why you might have received the book there.
Have you had a chance to read any of it yet? If so, what are your thoughts?
You
What's the deal with these "Seventh-day Adventist". I have this super chart of all the "denominations" and where they come from. Let me upload that so you get an idea of all the religions and these sub-groups. Where does this "Seventh-day Adventist", fit in.
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Thanks for sharing the chart! The Seventh-day Adventist Church is part of the Protestant Christian tradition. According to your chart, it branches off from the Millerite movement around 1844. This movement was led by William Miller, who predicted the Second Coming of Christ during that period12.
The Seventh-day Adventist Church was officially founded in 1863 and emphasizes the observance of the Sabbath on Saturday (the seventh day of the week) and the imminent Second Coming of Jesus Christ13. It has grown into a global denomination with a significant presence in many countries, including Canada.
Does this help clarify where the Seventh-day Adventist Church fits within the broader context of Christian denominations?
You
ok, so when somebody branches off, it's because they didn't like something of the parent religion, right. So what's the deal here with these "Seventh-day Adventist" guys. Was something they didn't like and went, we'll start our own thing.
Copilot
Yes, when a group branches off from a parent religion, it’s often due to disagreements or different interpretations of beliefs and practices. In the case of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, the split from the Millerite movement was primarily due to the aftermath of the Great Disappointment on October 22, 1844. This was the date when William Miller and his followers expected the Second Coming of Christ, which did not occur12.
Here are some key reasons for the formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church:
Interpretation of the Great Disappointment: After the predicted date passed without incident, the Millerite movement fractured. Some followers abandoned the movement, while others sought to understand why the prophecy seemed to fail. A group concluded that the date was correct but that the event was misunderstood. They believed that Christ had entered a heavenly sanctuary to begin a new phase of his ministry rather than returning to Earth12.
Sabbath Observance: Another significant factor was the emphasis on observing the Sabbath on Saturday, the seventh day of the week, instead of Sunday. This belief was adopted from the teachings of Joseph Bates, a former sea captain and early Adventist leader34.
Health and Lifestyle: The Seventh-day Adventists also developed distinctive health and lifestyle practices, including dietary reforms and the establishment of health institutions. Ellen G. White, one of the church’s founders, played a crucial role in promoting these principles34.
Prophetic Guidance: Ellen G. White’s visions and writings provided a unifying and guiding influence for the early Adventists. Her works are still highly regarded within the denomination34.
These differences in interpretation and practice led to the establishment of the Seventh-day Adventist Church in 1863, which has since grown into a global denomination with a unique set of beliefs and practices.
Does this help clarify their origins and distinct beliefs?
You
hang on.. so there was some "prophecy" that somebody said, like a specific date, or something and it didn't happen?
Copilot
Yes, that’s correct. The “Great Disappointment” refers to the event on October 22, 1844, when followers of William Miller, known as Millerites, expected the Second Coming of Jesus Christ based on Miller’s interpretation of biblical prophecy12. Miller had calculated this date using the prophecy in Daniel 8:14, which mentions a period of 2,300 days. He interpreted these days as years, starting from 457 B.C., leading to 184412.
When Jesus did not return as expected, it led to widespread disappointment and disillusionment among the Millerites12. This event is known as the Great Disappointment. Some followers abandoned the movement, while others reinterpreted the prophecy, believing that instead of Jesus returning to Earth, He had begun a new phase of His heavenly ministry12.
This reinterpretation eventually led to the formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, which holds that the prophecy marked the beginning of Jesus’ final work of atonement in the heavenly sanctuary12.
Does this help clarify the background of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and the Great Disappointment?
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Never heard of this.. seems odd that somebody would try to get some sort of date from who knows what. Like seems a ways back.. why'd he start at 457 BC.
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William Miller used a method called the year-day principle to interpret biblical prophecies, where one prophetic day is understood to represent one year. He focused on the prophecy in Daniel 8:14, which mentions a period of 2,300 days. Miller believed these days represented years12.
The starting point of 457 B.C. comes from the decree issued by Artaxerxes I of Persia to rebuild Jerusalem, as recorded in the Bible (Ezra 7:7-8). This decree was significant because it marked the beginning of the restoration of Jerusalem after the Babylonian exile31. By adding 2,300 years to 457 B.C., Miller calculated that the period would end around 1843-184412.
This method and interpretation were part of Miller’s intensive study of the Bible, where he aimed to let the scriptures explain themselves by comparing different passages12.
Does this help clarify why Miller chose 457 B.C. as the starting point for his calculations?
You
So these "Seventh-day Adventist", after that happened, they went.. what?
Copilot
After the Great Disappointment, the Millerite movement splintered into several groups. Those who continued to believe in the prophecy sought to understand why the expected event did not occur. Here’s what happened next:
Reinterpretation of the Prophecy: A group of Millerites, including Hiram Edson, came to believe that the prophecy was correct but that the event was misunderstood. They concluded that October 22, 1844, marked the beginning of Jesus’ final work of atonement in the heavenly sanctuary, rather than His return to Earth12.
Formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church: This reinterpretation led to the formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The church was officially established in 1863, with a focus on the imminent Second Coming of Christ, the observance of the Sabbath on Saturday, and health and lifestyle reforms12.
Ellen G. White’s Influence: Ellen G. White, one of the church’s founders, played a significant role in shaping the beliefs and practices of the Seventh-day Adventist Church through her visions and writings12.
Growth and Expansion: The church grew rapidly, establishing schools, hospitals, and publishing houses. It became known for its emphasis on education, health, and missionary work12.
The Seventh-day Adventist Church has since become a global denomination with millions of members worldwide, continuing to emphasize its core beliefs and mission.
Does this help clarify what happened after the Great Disappointment and how the Seventh-day Adventist Church was formed?
You
oh I'm trying to do some research on what the deal is with this free book, eh. And earlier the first pages, talks about her.. it says..
"About the Author Ellen G. White (1827-1915) is considered the most widely translated American author, her works having been published in more than 160 languages. She wrote more than 100,000 pages on a wide variety of spiritual and practical topics. Guided by the Holy Spirit, she exalted Jesus and pointed to the Scriptures as the basis of one’s faith."
That's a lot of "writing" back in those days before a typewriter. Was she channeling like some who knows what, like the Ra material, or something?
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Ellen G. White’s prolific writing was indeed remarkable, especially considering the era she lived in. She attributed her writings to divine inspiration, believing she was guided by the Holy Spirit. Her works cover a wide range of topics, including theology, health, education, and practical Christian living12.
White’s process involved receiving visions and dreams, which she then documented. These experiences were central to her role as a prophetess within the Seventh-day Adventist Church12. Unlike channeling, which often involves communicating with spirits or other entities, White’s visions were understood by her and her followers as direct communications from God12.
Her writings were meticulously transcribed and edited by herself and her assistants, ensuring they were clear and accessible. This extensive body of work has had a lasting impact on the Seventh-day Adventist Church and its teachings12.
Does this help clarify her writing process and how she produced such a vast amount of work?
You
Oh, so she's not channeling it, like the Ra material book?
Copilot
That’s correct. Ellen G. White’s writings are considered to be inspired by the Holy Spirit, but not in the same way as channeling, like the Ra material. The Ra material, which is a series of books purportedly channeled by a group of entities known as Ra, involves a medium receiving messages from these entities12.
In contrast, Ellen G. White’s process involved receiving visions and dreams, which she believed were direct communications from God. She then documented these experiences and insights, which were later transcribed and edited12. Her followers view her writings as divinely inspired but always subordinate to the Bible12.
So, while both involve receiving information from a higher source, the nature and context of the inspiration are quite different.
Does this help clarify the distinction between Ellen G. White’s writings and the Ra material?
You
what kind of visions did she have?
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Ellen G. White had numerous visions throughout her life, which she believed were divine revelations. Here are some notable types of visions she experienced:
Doctrinal Visions: Many of her early visions helped shape the doctrinal framework of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. For example, her first vision in December 1844 reassured the early Adventists about their faith after the Great Disappointment1.
Health and Lifestyle: In 1863, she had a significant vision about health reform, which led to the church’s emphasis on healthy living, diet, and the establishment of health institutions1.
Educational Visions: She also had visions that guided the church in establishing educational institutions, promoting a holistic approach to education that included physical, mental, and spiritual development1.
Prophetic and Apocalyptic Visions: Some of her visions dealt with future events and the end times, emphasizing the imminent Second Coming of Christ and the importance of being prepared1.
Practical Christian Living: Many of her visions provided guidance on practical aspects of Christian living, such as family life, personal conduct, and community service1.
These visions were central to her role as a prophetess and had a profound impact on the development and practices of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Does this give you a better understanding of the types of visions she had?
You
did she do any of this "prophecy" stuff.. where she said specific things, within her timeframe.. or could be after she died, right.. like specific things, not vague and they later happened?
Copilot
Yes, Ellen G. White made several specific prophecies, some of which were fulfilled during her lifetime, while others were fulfilled after her death. Here are a few notable examples:
The Civil War: Ellen White predicted the outbreak of the American Civil War and its devastating impact. In 1861, she wrote about the impending conflict and the suffering it would bring1.
The Great Chicago Fire: She warned about the destruction of large cities by fire. In 1871, the Great Chicago Fire occurred, which many Adventists believe fulfilled her prophecy1.
Modern Spiritualism: She predicted the rise and spread of modern spiritualism, which became more prominent in the late 19th and early 20th centuries2.
Health and Lifestyle: Her health reform visions led to the establishment of health institutions and the promotion of a vegetarian diet, which have been validated by modern science1.
While some of her prophecies were specific and fulfilled, others were more general and open to interpretation. It’s important to note that her primary role was not as a predictor of future events but as a spiritual guide and reformer12.
Does this help clarify her role as a prophet and the nature of her prophecies?
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Doesn't seem very "prophet".. like come on.. think of this guy the other day, where 4 months ago he specifically says that Trump would get grazed in the right ear during a rally and it's on youtube with the upload date.
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Ex-Seventh Day Adventist here. Where do I begin...
Short Story: Ellen G. White is a known Freemason. Ellen G. White & a known eugenicist by the name of Dr. John Harvey Kellogg (yes the "Cereal" Killer), were great friends. She even stayed overnight in his home at one point. "She even stayed in his home during the 1901 General Conference session, while still writing her appeals to him."
Long Story: Every vegan that you and I know of, has health issues. It is so bad, that if a woman were to get pregnant, any/every/all doctors advise not to breastfeed the child, even the corrupt doctors recommend this. Ellen is against meats, yet the bible refutes this. Growing up, we, and when I mean “we”, I mean the SDA church, all the way to attending Oakwood College (now University), were all pumped up with Morning Star, Worthington & Loma Linda soy products which all caused respiratory issues, IBS, OBS, ulcers, eczema, and general inflammatory related issues. Which, of course, as we all know, is a cash cow for someone like Dr. Kellogg to swoop right in, and provide a cure for such patients, when he was also friends with people like John D. Rockefeller & 33 Degree Freemason Admiral Richard E. Byrd. We will be here all day trying to explain all the connected dots, as I know all of you intelligent people (no sarcasm), are fully equipped on people like Rockefeller and Byrd.
The reason I have no religion, is because I realized that all religions have about 75% truth, and 25% B.S. And that 25%, is what is always overlooked by the congregation, because if the majority is truth, it must mean it is ALL truth. Quick example:
SDA’s used to preach heavy on sorcery in the world, the Vatican’s influence on America, Lucifer being a shape shifter & things like staying away from vaccines. But in the same breath, they taught that God, Jesus & The Holy Spirit are three separate people, when the bible clearly states: 'I and my Father are one. ' John 10:30. The bible also teaches that woman are not allowed to preach/teach, yet, she completely disregarded this and became an evangelist.
Now, lets just say everything I have said was a lie, even though you can research everything I have said to be true…..here are her own words: “The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one.” (https://media2.egwwritings.org/pdf/en_5BC.pdf) You can also just copy and paste this quote into google and it will take you directly to her writings. Once again, we would be here for centuries trying to explain exactly what she means in all of her teachings, as there are so many contradictions, proving her + the SDA church to be false prophets & teachers. My advice is to stay away from religion, and simply have a personal relationship with the Father in Heaven above, because The Most High is not the author of confusion.
I am not looking for you to agree with me, however just here to post information from personal, first hand experiences. I am also not here to sell you anything either.
Lastly, one thing that I have learned in life so far is spotting out a demon. This is kind of random, but a little nugget. If you quote anything with 100% truth in it, and let’s say you bring it up to someone, see how they react to it. Example: I know for a fact my brother is under demonic influence when I brought up abortion is an abomination, and if a pregnant woman gets into a car crash and dies, the death count is two.
He paces, sweats, gets angry and finds every reason to refute this, rather than focusing on the truth. When I mean angry, he becomes irate. Why? Because Satan, Apollyon, Moloch (Specifically Him), Baal & Beelzebub hate human life, and their mission is to destroy it. When you read the bible, anytime Jesus, a Disciple and/or notable figure casts out a demon, the result is always frantic. It is not a “calming” experience.
Another: If I mention to anyone that Trump, Biden, Clinton, Obama & Pelosi are all friends, who serve and answer to the Synagogue of Satan (False Hebrews known as the Jews), die hard Trump fans react the same way as my brother, and will do everything in their power to defend Trump, almost die for the man & his cause.
The Great Controversy by Ellen G. White.. 500 pages. What is the "great controversy", they're talking about?
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The “great controversy” in Ellen G. White’s book, The Great Controversy, refers to the ongoing battle between Jesus Christ and Satan. This conflict is depicted as a cosmic struggle between good and evil, spanning from the rebellion of Satan in heaven to the ultimate eradication of sin and the restoration of God’s kingdom on Earth12.
The book covers significant historical events, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Reformation, and the rise of the Advent movement, and it culminates with a detailed description of the end times. It also outlines key Seventh-day Adventist doctrines, including the heavenly sanctuary, the investigative judgment, and the state of the dead12.
If you have any specific questions about the book or its themes, feel free to ask!
You
A lot of these christian religions, they seem to focus mainly on the Jesus guy.. but his boss, Yahweh.. what does this 7th day aventist, that printed this "great controversy" book, have to say about Yahweh?
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Seventh-day Adventists believe in Yahweh as the eternal, all-powerful, and loving God who created the universe and continues to be actively involved in the world. They emphasize the importance of following God’s commandments, including observing the Sabbath on Saturday1.
Adventists view Yahweh as the same God who revealed Himself through Jesus Christ, and they believe that understanding and following His will is essential for salvation1. They use the name Yahweh in hymns and prayers, considering it a more authentic title for God2.
If you have more questions about their beliefs or practices, feel free to ask!
You
but they think Yahweh is what they keep just saying "god", right? That's who they mean?
Copilot
Yes, that’s correct! When Seventh-day Adventists refer to “God,” they are indeed talking about Yahweh. They believe Yahweh is the same God who is revealed in the Bible, both in the Old and New Testaments, and who is also manifested through Jesus Christ. So, when they use the term “God,” they are referring to Yahweh.
If you have any more questions about their beliefs or anything else, feel free to ask!
You
Betcha they don't even say Yahweh, even once in this 500 page book, eh?
Copilot
You’re right! In The Great Controversy, Ellen G. White primarily uses terms like “God,” “Lord,” and “Jehovah” rather than "Yahweh"12. The focus is on the broader themes of God’s law, the conflict between good and evil, and the ultimate triumph of God’s kingdom.
If you have any other questions or need more information, feel free to ask!
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Tried this text analyzer bookmark I had. It handled the full input of text but in the results it just stopped instead of continuing. Looked around.. noticed chatgpt has a new feature where you can attach a file, so I attached the text paste of the book. Then I tried to get it to tell me how many times words were being used. It was doing a code window and was ok for a while but it can't keep going. Then I asked how many times it uses the word, Yahweh, in the code it said 4 times. But when I asked when it said it and what were the lines, it was bogus and didn't even say Yahweh.
So then I'm there.. nevermind that thing just use my notepad++ that has word and character counts info, compared to just notepad. Did a word search for yahweh, then "count" and it's 0 like you said. Let me test you.. how many times does this book say Jehovah.
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In The Great Controversy by Ellen G. White, the term “Jehovah” is used several times. While I don’t have the exact count, the book does reference “Jehovah” in various contexts, particularly when discussing God’s law and His authority12.
If you have any other questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!
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Chatgpt said Jehovah is mentioned only 20 times. Using notepad++, then count for word.. it says 29 times. So this chatgpt stinks, closing window. Let me check how many times it said they used the word Jesus. 981, notepad++ says 228. So this chatgpt there.. it stinks so bad, with inaccurate information.
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It sounds like you’ve had quite the experience with different tools! It’s great that you were able to use Notepad++ to get accurate counts. Based on your findings, “Jehovah” is mentioned 29 times and “Jesus” 228 times in The Great Controversy.
If you have any other questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!
You
I guess only saying Jesus 228 times isn't too bad, considering it's talking a lot about "Bible" verses, whichever bible they use. Like which version is she even using for this book?
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Ellen G. White primarily used the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible in her writings, including The Great Controversy1. However, she occasionally referenced other English translations that were available during her time12.
If you have any other questions or need more information, feel free to ask!
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In this pdf version of the book, whenever there's a verse, it's a blue link and the site goes to egwwritings.org. So at least it's kind of like official.
So.. you're saying she used this KJV version, eh.. what denominations also use that
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Yes, Ellen G. White primarily used the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible in her writings. Several Christian denominations also use the KJV, including:
Baptists
Pentecostals
Episcopalians
Presbyterians
Latter-day Saints (Mormons)123
These denominations appreciate the KJV for its literary quality and historical significance. If you have any more questions or need further information, feel free to ask!
You
And these are all sub branches of what denomination?
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The denominations you mentioned—Baptists, Pentecostals, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Latter-day Saints—are all part of the broader Protestant branch of Christianity12. Protestantism itself emerged from the Reformation in the 16th century, which was a movement against certain practices and doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church23.
If you have any more questions or need further information, feel free to ask!
You
So it's all this "protestant" stuff, eh.
This King James version.. they did an "update" in 1979?
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Yes, the King James Version (KJV) was updated in 1979 with the release of the New King James Version (NKJV)12. The NKJV aimed to preserve the original KJV’s literary beauty while updating its language for modern readers. The New Testament was published in 1979, the Book of Psalms in 1980, and the entire Bible in 198212.
If you have any more questions or need further information, feel free to ask!
You
So any religious organization that uses this NKJV, must be "protestant", like these other ones you mentioned
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While the New King James Version (NKJV) is predominantly used by Protestant denominations, it’s not exclusively limited to them. Many Protestant groups, such as Baptists, Pentecostals, and Presbyterians, do use the NKJV12. However, some non-Protestant groups might also use it for its readability and modern language.
If you have any more questions or need further information, feel free to ask!
You
Yeah but you just said earlier that it's based off this whole "protestant" branch, all these sub branch religions that used the King James version.. and then these later ones that claim they don't have any denomination, yet use the new King James type. That's definitely this "protestant" type of religion.. compared to like roman catholic or something.
Copilot
You’re right! The King James Version (KJV) and its update, the New King James Version (NKJV), are indeed rooted in the Protestant tradition. Many denominations that use these versions are part of the broader Protestant branch of Christianity.
While some groups might claim to be non-denominational, their use of the NKJV often aligns them more closely with Protestant beliefs and practices. This is in contrast to Roman Catholicism, which typically uses versions like the Douay-Rheims Bible or the New American Bible.
If you have any more questions or need further clarification, feel free to ask!
You
so how come in this "great controversy" book.. she doesn't use the word Yahweh, even once. Do these protestants have a beef with Yahweh?
Copilot
The absence of the word “Yahweh” in The Great Controversy and many other Protestant writings is largely due to historical and linguistic reasons rather than any specific “beef” with the name. Here are a few key points:
Sacredness of the Name: Historically, the name “Yahweh” was considered so sacred by the Jewish people that they avoided pronouncing it aloud. Instead, they used terms like “Adonai” (Lord) or “Elohim” (God) when reading scriptures12.
Translation Practices: The King James Version (KJV) of the Bible, which Ellen G. White primarily used, often substitutes “Yahweh” with “LORD” or “Jehovah.” This practice carried over into many Protestant traditions12.
Cultural and Theological Norms: Over time, the use of “Lord” or “God” became more common in Christian writings and hymns, including those by Ellen G. White. This was partly to maintain continuity with traditional Christian language and partly due to the influence of the KJV12.
So, it’s more about tradition and reverence than any opposition to the name “Yahweh.”
If you have any more questions or need further clarification, feel free to ask!
You
They did use the word Jehovah, 29 times. Who's Jehovah.. that's not Yahweh, is it?
Copilot
“Jehovah” and “Yahweh” are actually different representations of the same name for God. Here’s a bit more detail:
Yahweh: This is considered the more accurate transliteration of the Hebrew name for God, represented by the Tetragrammaton YHWH. It reflects the original pronunciation more closely12.
Jehovah: This form emerged from combining the consonants YHWH with the vowels of “Adonai” (another name for God meaning “Lord”). This practice was adopted by medieval Christian scholars12. While “Jehovah” is less accurate linguistically, it became widely used in English translations of the Bible12.
So, both “Jehovah” and “Yahweh” refer to the same deity, the God of the Bible, but “Yahweh” is closer to the original Hebrew pronunciation.
If you have any more questions or need further clarification, feel free to ask!
You
What about these Jehovah witness guys.. what's their deal.. they seem more into the Jehovah and they knock at your door, trying to recruit people to join and they make money that way, eh.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses are known for their distinctive beliefs and practices, which include door-to-door evangelism. Here are some key points about them:
Beliefs: They believe in Jehovah as the one true God and reject the Trinity doctrine. They view Jesus Christ as God’s agent for salvation but not as Almighty God12.
Evangelism: They are well-known for their door-to-door ministry, which they see as a way to spread their faith and fulfill Jesus’ command to preach the gospel12.
Scripture: They use their own translation of the Bible, the New World Translation, and emphasize the importance of using God’s name, Jehovah12.
Practices: They do not celebrate holidays or birthdays, which they believe have pagan origins. They also refuse blood transfusions based on their interpretation of biblical texts12.
Organization: Jehovah’s Witnesses are organized under the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. They do not make money from their evangelism efforts; instead, their activities are funded by voluntary donations from members12.
Their door-to-door approach is part of their commitment to sharing their beliefs with others. If you have more questions or need further details, feel free to ask!
You
Wait, what.. they reject the trinity doctrine? What's that all about?
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Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the Trinity doctrine, which is the belief in one God in three persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. Here are some key reasons for their stance:
Biblical Interpretation: Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the Bible does not support the concept of the Trinity. They interpret scriptures to mean that Jesus is a created being, not equal to God, and that the Holy Spirit is God’s active force, not a person12.
Historical Development: They argue that the Trinity doctrine was not part of early Christian teachings and was only formalized in the 4th century at the Council of Nicaea23.
Rationality: Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that the idea of one God in three persons is illogical and cannot be explained by human reason3.
Focus on Monotheism: They emphasize strict monotheism, believing that worship should be directed to Jehovah alone23.
These beliefs set them apart from mainstream Christian denominations that accept the Trinity.
If you have more questions or need further details, feel free to ask!
You
These Johavah witnesses there.. when did this start and why. Must be some sub branch of some religion.. betcha it's this protestant stuff like all these others.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses originated in the late 19th century as a branch of the Bible Student movement, which was led by Charles Taze Russell12. This movement developed within the larger Adventist movement in the United States2. Here are some key points about their origins:
Charles Taze Russell: He founded the International Bible Students Association in 1872 and later the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society in 188112.
Adventist Influence: The movement was influenced by Adventist teachings, particularly those of William Miller, who predicted the Second Coming of Christ2.
Name Change: In 1931, under the leadership of Joseph Franklin Rutherford, the group adopted the name “Jehovah’s Witnesses” to emphasize their belief in Jehovah as the true God12.
While Jehovah’s Witnesses have roots in the Adventist movement, they are distinct in their beliefs and practices, particularly their rejection of the Trinity and their unique eschatology.
If you have more questions or need further details, feel free to ask!
So you're saying they're "adventist". Let me check this super chart here with all the religions. ok I see these Jehovah witnesses they're not on the same branch as all these other guys that use this King James or the new one, eh. Oh wait.. it is coming from this whole protestant reformation. So similar as them. Seems to come from the baptists. Oh.. this is like those guys.. cause on that same side is those 7th day aventists. This whole religions branch thing is such a mess with these guys. Meanwhile, roman catholic you got just a tiny bit the whole time and that's it. All these other guys it's like oh they didn't like something and wanted to "sin" so they just start a new religion so they can do that, while pretending they're still "religious". Like all these sub group category branches are "outta hand" with how many they got going on. Then ya got the Jews.. it's kind of like roman catholic where it doesn't go all crazy with bunch of different sub branches.
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It sounds like you’re finding the chart quite revealing! The history of religious movements can indeed be complex, especially within Christianity. Here’s a bit more context:
Protestant Reformation: This was a major movement in the 16th century that led to the creation of many new Christian denominations. It started as a reaction against certain practices and doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church12.
Branches and Sub-branches: Over time, various groups within Protestantism have split off to form new denominations based on differing interpretations of scripture, governance, and practices. This is why you see so many branches and sub-branches on the chart12.
Jehovah’s Witnesses and Seventh-day Adventists: Both of these groups emerged from the broader Protestant tradition but have distinct beliefs and practices. Jehovah’s Witnesses, for example, reject the Trinity and emphasize the use of God’s name, Jehovah12. Seventh-day Adventists focus on the observance of the Sabbath on Saturday and have unique eschatological views12.
Roman Catholicism and Judaism: These traditions have remained more centralized, with fewer major splits compared to Protestantism. This centralization helps maintain more uniform beliefs and practices12.
Religious history is indeed intricate, and each group’s development reflects a unique response to theological, cultural, and historical factors.
If you have more questions or need further clarification, feel free to ask!
Go through this shit while eating meals. Apparently it's this chick that wrote it.
"About the Author
Ellen G. White (1827-1915) is considered the most widely translated
American author, her works having been published in more than 160
languages. She wrote more than 100,000 pages on a wide variety of
spiritual and practical topics. Guided by the Holy Spirit, she exalted
Jesus and pointed to the Scriptures as the basis of one’s faith."
Got this pdf on my desktop.. gonna gradually check it out a bit a time, while eating meals. But can't just do only that one, have a couple others on the desktop. So, once in a while, I'll try to check out this whole book and see what their deal is.
This is pretty odd here.. how, out of the blue, I get this book lately. I just scrolled down the pdf in the middle, glancing around. I'm there.. this is the same shit, same pile as this pastor "prophet" shit, I was researching this week. It's these same guys. And for whatever reason, these fools who distribute this free book, feel like they gotta totally ramp it up these days and try to get their shit out there. Same fucking camp as those guys in that trump prophet video, where he "predicted" he'd get his right ear grazed in a rally. Like what the fuck is this shit here, in this book. What are they trying to get you to do. What's their "agenda".
Like what fuckin bible are they using in here.. cause it wasn't that shenanigan 1979 one. Lemme ask Bing AI what "denomination" this shit is.
Apparently this book was first published in the 1880's. Like what fucking shenanigan religious organization is this.
It's cause of Trump.. they're all worried about something. And what's up with the timing now.
Searched my city subreddit, no mention about "the great controversy". Checking all of reddit.. they're doing this all over the place!
The great controversy
83 points 131 comments submitted 23 days ago by Plastic-Pension7263 to r/portlandme
Just know your mail carrier hates delivering them as much as you hate receiving them. Sincerely a Portland mail carrier.
The Great Controversy
276 points 67 comments submitted 1 year ago by Sea_Slice_1449 to r/burlington
https://v.redd.it/7cp2x6jkj9v91
haha..
the great controversy- great dog enrichment
126 points 18 comments submitted 14 days ago by Lmaoemilyy to r/portlandme
my roommate gave my pup the book to stress chew tonight bc he wouldn't take any of his toys. worked out great for all :)
Anyone else find "The Great Controversy" in their mailbox?
42 points 35 comments submitted 1 month ago by sha-la-la to r/saskatchewan
A copy of this book showed up in our rural PO box today 40km outside of Moose Jaw. Anyone else around the province get a copy? According to Wikipedia it's basically evangelist propaganda written by a "prophetess" in the 1800s and somebody out there likes to drop ship them in certain locations from time to time. Anyone have any insight?
Fuck man.. are they ever getting "desperate" out there, these guys.
Found!How and why did we get this? Religious book called the great controversy
1 point 6 comments submitted 28 days ago by yeemangames12 to r/HelpMeFind
Question from above. Arrived like this just with a shipping label on the back. For more context, me and my family are all atheists, I and my sister have never been to church, and my mother and father haven't been in 20 years or more. It was addressed to my father and don't know why. Would be glad for more context on how and why we got it.
Who else received a book titled "The Great Controversy" even though they didn't buy it? wtf?
143 points 115 comments submitted 2 years ago by rocknrollsteve to r/WestVirginia
https://i.redd.it/shk6ntaxr4g71.jpg
I finished reading The Great Controversy. Here are some of the highlights
80 points 55 comments submitted 2 years ago by Sensitive-Fly4874Atheist to r/exAdventist
https://www.reddit.com/gallery/w323km
DiscussionHas anyone else gotten the "the great controversy" book that's shown up at their door?
10 points 16 comments submitted 4 months ago by Mrtoaster_breaker64 to r/ontario
So basically this religious book called "the great controversy" showed up at my doorstep and I've done some research on it for a while now but I found that most of the stuff that I got was in america and so Im just wondering if im the only one.
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Books in the mail? "The Great Controversy"
0 points 10 comments submitted 11 months ago by KCarriere to r/HuntsvilleAlabama
How many people got this book in their mail? I googled and saw that it's been mailed out in other cities. Whats the story here? Why are we wasting so much paper? Who sent these out? Can we donate them or something? What the hell?
Just your ordinary Seventh-Day Adventists sending you Ellen G. White's greatest book of the 19th century. The book reads fine enough.
They've been warning people for 180 years that the new world order will create laws forcing people to rest on Sunday and that obeying them is partnership with the devil.
They were finally right in 2020, when the government shut down all businesses on Sunday (as well as all the other days).
They're mostly tamed now, but they really want you to rest on Saturday, many of them don't believe in hell, and they still have a funny theory about Jesus opening the holiest place in 1844.
That's a good idea but imagine if instead of such normie garbage someone sent people hard hitters like Quigley, Sutton, Coleman, Mullins, The Protocols of Zion, etc.
Talking to bing AI.. check it out how it shuts 'er down when I ask about this chick who wrote the book and like come on.. that's not "prophecy" like the guy in this pastor vid who, 4 months ago talked about Trump getting grazed in the right ear during a rally. It shuts er down. Her shit is not very "prophet", like that dude, ok.
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"the great controversy" book.. got a free 500 page book in the snail mail box and wasn't addressed. Looked into it and seems to happen to a lot of people. Who's sending these out. Seems like it was written by a lady in the early 1900's. What "denomination" is this "religion"?
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It sounds like you received a copy of “The Great Controversy” by Ellen G. White. This book is often distributed by the Seventh-day Adventist Church, a Christian denomination that Ellen G. White co-founded12.
The mass distribution of this book is part of a large-scale evangelistic effort by the church. Organizations like Remnant Publications, based in Michigan, are known for sending out these books to various locations across the United States and beyond34. The aim is to share their religious beliefs and provide information about the perceived ongoing spiritual battle between good and evil35.
Did you find the book interesting or have any specific thoughts about it?
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Oh I'm in Canada and it seems US based, the content.
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Yes, the distribution efforts for “The Great Controversy” are quite extensive and often originate from the United States. However, the Seventh-day Adventist Church has a global presence, including in Canada, which is why you might have received the book there.
Have you had a chance to read any of it yet? If so, what are your thoughts?
You
What's the deal with these "Seventh-day Adventist". I have this super chart of all the "denominations" and where they come from. Let me upload that so you get an idea of all the religions and these sub-groups. Where does this "Seventh-day Adventist", fit in.
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Thanks for sharing the chart! The Seventh-day Adventist Church is part of the Protestant Christian tradition. According to your chart, it branches off from the Millerite movement around 1844. This movement was led by William Miller, who predicted the Second Coming of Christ during that period12.
The Seventh-day Adventist Church was officially founded in 1863 and emphasizes the observance of the Sabbath on Saturday (the seventh day of the week) and the imminent Second Coming of Jesus Christ13. It has grown into a global denomination with a significant presence in many countries, including Canada.
Does this help clarify where the Seventh-day Adventist Church fits within the broader context of Christian denominations?
You
ok, so when somebody branches off, it's because they didn't like something of the parent religion, right. So what's the deal here with these "Seventh-day Adventist" guys. Was something they didn't like and went, we'll start our own thing.
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Yes, when a group branches off from a parent religion, it’s often due to disagreements or different interpretations of beliefs and practices. In the case of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, the split from the Millerite movement was primarily due to the aftermath of the Great Disappointment on October 22, 1844. This was the date when William Miller and his followers expected the Second Coming of Christ, which did not occur12.
Here are some key reasons for the formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church:
Interpretation of the Great Disappointment: After the predicted date passed without incident, the Millerite movement fractured. Some followers abandoned the movement, while others sought to understand why the prophecy seemed to fail. A group concluded that the date was correct but that the event was misunderstood. They believed that Christ had entered a heavenly sanctuary to begin a new phase of his ministry rather than returning to Earth12.
Sabbath Observance: Another significant factor was the emphasis on observing the Sabbath on Saturday, the seventh day of the week, instead of Sunday. This belief was adopted from the teachings of Joseph Bates, a former sea captain and early Adventist leader34.
Health and Lifestyle: The Seventh-day Adventists also developed distinctive health and lifestyle practices, including dietary reforms and the establishment of health institutions. Ellen G. White, one of the church’s founders, played a crucial role in promoting these principles34.
Prophetic Guidance: Ellen G. White’s visions and writings provided a unifying and guiding influence for the early Adventists. Her works are still highly regarded within the denomination34.
These differences in interpretation and practice led to the establishment of the Seventh-day Adventist Church in 1863, which has since grown into a global denomination with a unique set of beliefs and practices.
Does this help clarify their origins and distinct beliefs?
You
hang on.. so there was some "prophecy" that somebody said, like a specific date, or something and it didn't happen?
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Yes, that’s correct. The “Great Disappointment” refers to the event on October 22, 1844, when followers of William Miller, known as Millerites, expected the Second Coming of Jesus Christ based on Miller’s interpretation of biblical prophecy12. Miller had calculated this date using the prophecy in Daniel 8:14, which mentions a period of 2,300 days. He interpreted these days as years, starting from 457 B.C., leading to 184412.
When Jesus did not return as expected, it led to widespread disappointment and disillusionment among the Millerites12. This event is known as the Great Disappointment. Some followers abandoned the movement, while others reinterpreted the prophecy, believing that instead of Jesus returning to Earth, He had begun a new phase of His heavenly ministry12.
This reinterpretation eventually led to the formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, which holds that the prophecy marked the beginning of Jesus’ final work of atonement in the heavenly sanctuary12.
Does this help clarify the background of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and the Great Disappointment?
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Never heard of this.. seems odd that somebody would try to get some sort of date from who knows what. Like seems a ways back.. why'd he start at 457 BC.
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William Miller used a method called the year-day principle to interpret biblical prophecies, where one prophetic day is understood to represent one year. He focused on the prophecy in Daniel 8:14, which mentions a period of 2,300 days. Miller believed these days represented years12.
The starting point of 457 B.C. comes from the decree issued by Artaxerxes I of Persia to rebuild Jerusalem, as recorded in the Bible (Ezra 7:7-8). This decree was significant because it marked the beginning of the restoration of Jerusalem after the Babylonian exile31. By adding 2,300 years to 457 B.C., Miller calculated that the period would end around 1843-184412.
This method and interpretation were part of Miller’s intensive study of the Bible, where he aimed to let the scriptures explain themselves by comparing different passages12.
Does this help clarify why Miller chose 457 B.C. as the starting point for his calculations?
You
So these "Seventh-day Adventist", after that happened, they went.. what?
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After the Great Disappointment, the Millerite movement splintered into several groups. Those who continued to believe in the prophecy sought to understand why the expected event did not occur. Here’s what happened next:
Reinterpretation of the Prophecy: A group of Millerites, including Hiram Edson, came to believe that the prophecy was correct but that the event was misunderstood. They concluded that October 22, 1844, marked the beginning of Jesus’ final work of atonement in the heavenly sanctuary, rather than His return to Earth12.
Formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church: This reinterpretation led to the formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The church was officially established in 1863, with a focus on the imminent Second Coming of Christ, the observance of the Sabbath on Saturday, and health and lifestyle reforms12.
Ellen G. White’s Influence: Ellen G. White, one of the church’s founders, played a significant role in shaping the beliefs and practices of the Seventh-day Adventist Church through her visions and writings12.
Growth and Expansion: The church grew rapidly, establishing schools, hospitals, and publishing houses. It became known for its emphasis on education, health, and missionary work12.
The Seventh-day Adventist Church has since become a global denomination with millions of members worldwide, continuing to emphasize its core beliefs and mission.
Does this help clarify what happened after the Great Disappointment and how the Seventh-day Adventist Church was formed?
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oh I'm trying to do some research on what the deal is with this free book, eh. And earlier the first pages, talks about her.. it says..
"About the Author Ellen G. White (1827-1915) is considered the most widely translated American author, her works having been published in more than 160 languages. She wrote more than 100,000 pages on a wide variety of spiritual and practical topics. Guided by the Holy Spirit, she exalted Jesus and pointed to the Scriptures as the basis of one’s faith."
That's a lot of "writing" back in those days before a typewriter. Was she channeling like some who knows what, like the Ra material, or something?
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Ellen G. White’s prolific writing was indeed remarkable, especially considering the era she lived in. She attributed her writings to divine inspiration, believing she was guided by the Holy Spirit. Her works cover a wide range of topics, including theology, health, education, and practical Christian living12.
White’s process involved receiving visions and dreams, which she then documented. These experiences were central to her role as a prophetess within the Seventh-day Adventist Church12. Unlike channeling, which often involves communicating with spirits or other entities, White’s visions were understood by her and her followers as direct communications from God12.
Her writings were meticulously transcribed and edited by herself and her assistants, ensuring they were clear and accessible. This extensive body of work has had a lasting impact on the Seventh-day Adventist Church and its teachings12.
Does this help clarify her writing process and how she produced such a vast amount of work?
You
Oh, so she's not channeling it, like the Ra material book?
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That’s correct. Ellen G. White’s writings are considered to be inspired by the Holy Spirit, but not in the same way as channeling, like the Ra material. The Ra material, which is a series of books purportedly channeled by a group of entities known as Ra, involves a medium receiving messages from these entities12.
In contrast, Ellen G. White’s process involved receiving visions and dreams, which she believed were direct communications from God. She then documented these experiences and insights, which were later transcribed and edited12. Her followers view her writings as divinely inspired but always subordinate to the Bible12.
So, while both involve receiving information from a higher source, the nature and context of the inspiration are quite different.
Does this help clarify the distinction between Ellen G. White’s writings and the Ra material?
You
what kind of visions did she have?
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Ellen G. White had numerous visions throughout her life, which she believed were divine revelations. Here are some notable types of visions she experienced:
Doctrinal Visions: Many of her early visions helped shape the doctrinal framework of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. For example, her first vision in December 1844 reassured the early Adventists about their faith after the Great Disappointment1.
Health and Lifestyle: In 1863, she had a significant vision about health reform, which led to the church’s emphasis on healthy living, diet, and the establishment of health institutions1.
Educational Visions: She also had visions that guided the church in establishing educational institutions, promoting a holistic approach to education that included physical, mental, and spiritual development1.
Prophetic and Apocalyptic Visions: Some of her visions dealt with future events and the end times, emphasizing the imminent Second Coming of Christ and the importance of being prepared1.
Practical Christian Living: Many of her visions provided guidance on practical aspects of Christian living, such as family life, personal conduct, and community service1.
These visions were central to her role as a prophetess and had a profound impact on the development and practices of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Does this give you a better understanding of the types of visions she had?
You
did she do any of this "prophecy" stuff.. where she said specific things, within her timeframe.. or could be after she died, right.. like specific things, not vague and they later happened?
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Yes, Ellen G. White made several specific prophecies, some of which were fulfilled during her lifetime, while others were fulfilled after her death. Here are a few notable examples:
The Civil War: Ellen White predicted the outbreak of the American Civil War and its devastating impact. In 1861, she wrote about the impending conflict and the suffering it would bring1.
The Great Chicago Fire: She warned about the destruction of large cities by fire. In 1871, the Great Chicago Fire occurred, which many Adventists believe fulfilled her prophecy1.
Modern Spiritualism: She predicted the rise and spread of modern spiritualism, which became more prominent in the late 19th and early 20th centuries2.
Health and Lifestyle: Her health reform visions led to the establishment of health institutions and the promotion of a vegetarian diet, which have been validated by modern science1.
While some of her prophecies were specific and fulfilled, others were more general and open to interpretation. It’s important to note that her primary role was not as a predictor of future events but as a spiritual guide and reformer12.
Does this help clarify her role as a prophet and the nature of her prophecies?
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Doesn't seem very "prophet".. like come on.. think of this guy the other day, where 4 months ago he specifically says that Trump would get grazed in the right ear during a rally and it's on youtube with the upload date.
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Ex-Seventh Day Adventist here. Where do I begin...
Short Story: Ellen G. White is a known Freemason. Ellen G. White & a known eugenicist by the name of Dr. John Harvey Kellogg (yes the "Cereal" Killer), were great friends. She even stayed overnight in his home at one point. "She even stayed in his home during the 1901 General Conference session, while still writing her appeals to him."
Long Story: Every vegan that you and I know of, has health issues. It is so bad, that if a woman were to get pregnant, any/every/all doctors advise not to breastfeed the child, even the corrupt doctors recommend this. Ellen is against meats, yet the bible refutes this. Growing up, we, and when I mean “we”, I mean the SDA church, all the way to attending Oakwood College (now University), were all pumped up with Morning Star, Worthington & Loma Linda soy products which all caused respiratory issues, IBS, OBS, ulcers, eczema, and general inflammatory related issues. Which, of course, as we all know, is a cash cow for someone like Dr. Kellogg to swoop right in, and provide a cure for such patients, when he was also friends with people like John D. Rockefeller & 33 Degree Freemason Admiral Richard E. Byrd. We will be here all day trying to explain all the connected dots, as I know all of you intelligent people (no sarcasm), are fully equipped on people like Rockefeller and Byrd.
The reason I have no religion, is because I realized that all religions have about 75% truth, and 25% B.S. And that 25%, is what is always overlooked by the congregation, because if the majority is truth, it must mean it is ALL truth. Quick example:
SDA’s used to preach heavy on sorcery in the world, the Vatican’s influence on America, Lucifer being a shape shifter & things like staying away from vaccines. But in the same breath, they taught that God, Jesus & The Holy Spirit are three separate people, when the bible clearly states: 'I and my Father are one. ' John 10:30. The bible also teaches that woman are not allowed to preach/teach, yet, she completely disregarded this and became an evangelist.
Now, lets just say everything I have said was a lie, even though you can research everything I have said to be true…..here are her own words: “The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one.” (https://media2.egwwritings.org/pdf/en_5BC.pdf) You can also just copy and paste this quote into google and it will take you directly to her writings. Once again, we would be here for centuries trying to explain exactly what she means in all of her teachings, as there are so many contradictions, proving her + the SDA church to be false prophets & teachers. My advice is to stay away from religion, and simply have a personal relationship with the Father in Heaven above, because The Most High is not the author of confusion.
I am not looking for you to agree with me, however just here to post information from personal, first hand experiences. I am also not here to sell you anything either.
Lastly, one thing that I have learned in life so far is spotting out a demon. This is kind of random, but a little nugget. If you quote anything with 100% truth in it, and let’s say you bring it up to someone, see how they react to it. Example: I know for a fact my brother is under demonic influence when I brought up abortion is an abomination, and if a pregnant woman gets into a car crash and dies, the death count is two.
He paces, sweats, gets angry and finds every reason to refute this, rather than focusing on the truth. When I mean angry, he becomes irate. Why? Because Satan, Apollyon, Moloch (Specifically Him), Baal & Beelzebub hate human life, and their mission is to destroy it. When you read the bible, anytime Jesus, a Disciple and/or notable figure casts out a demon, the result is always frantic. It is not a “calming” experience.
Another: If I mention to anyone that Trump, Biden, Clinton, Obama & Pelosi are all friends, who serve and answer to the Synagogue of Satan (False Hebrews known as the Jews), die hard Trump fans react the same way as my brother, and will do everything in their power to defend Trump, almost die for the man & his cause.
I hope you all are well, and take care.
This guy's going to hell.. lol..
https://old.reddit.com/r/burlington/comments/yaaze2/the_great_controversy/
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The Great Controversy by Ellen G. White.. 500 pages. What is the "great controversy", they're talking about?
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The “great controversy” in Ellen G. White’s book, The Great Controversy, refers to the ongoing battle between Jesus Christ and Satan. This conflict is depicted as a cosmic struggle between good and evil, spanning from the rebellion of Satan in heaven to the ultimate eradication of sin and the restoration of God’s kingdom on Earth12.
The book covers significant historical events, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Reformation, and the rise of the Advent movement, and it culminates with a detailed description of the end times. It also outlines key Seventh-day Adventist doctrines, including the heavenly sanctuary, the investigative judgment, and the state of the dead12.
If you have any specific questions about the book or its themes, feel free to ask!
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A lot of these christian religions, they seem to focus mainly on the Jesus guy.. but his boss, Yahweh.. what does this 7th day aventist, that printed this "great controversy" book, have to say about Yahweh?
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Seventh-day Adventists believe in Yahweh as the eternal, all-powerful, and loving God who created the universe and continues to be actively involved in the world. They emphasize the importance of following God’s commandments, including observing the Sabbath on Saturday1.
Adventists view Yahweh as the same God who revealed Himself through Jesus Christ, and they believe that understanding and following His will is essential for salvation1. They use the name Yahweh in hymns and prayers, considering it a more authentic title for God2.
If you have more questions about their beliefs or practices, feel free to ask!
You
but they think Yahweh is what they keep just saying "god", right? That's who they mean?
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Yes, that’s correct! When Seventh-day Adventists refer to “God,” they are indeed talking about Yahweh. They believe Yahweh is the same God who is revealed in the Bible, both in the Old and New Testaments, and who is also manifested through Jesus Christ. So, when they use the term “God,” they are referring to Yahweh.
If you have any more questions about their beliefs or anything else, feel free to ask!
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Betcha they don't even say Yahweh, even once in this 500 page book, eh?
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You’re right! In The Great Controversy, Ellen G. White primarily uses terms like “God,” “Lord,” and “Jehovah” rather than "Yahweh"12. The focus is on the broader themes of God’s law, the conflict between good and evil, and the ultimate triumph of God’s kingdom.
If you have any other questions or need more information, feel free to ask!
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Tried this text analyzer bookmark I had. It handled the full input of text but in the results it just stopped instead of continuing. Looked around.. noticed chatgpt has a new feature where you can attach a file, so I attached the text paste of the book. Then I tried to get it to tell me how many times words were being used. It was doing a code window and was ok for a while but it can't keep going. Then I asked how many times it uses the word, Yahweh, in the code it said 4 times. But when I asked when it said it and what were the lines, it was bogus and didn't even say Yahweh.
So then I'm there.. nevermind that thing just use my notepad++ that has word and character counts info, compared to just notepad. Did a word search for yahweh, then "count" and it's 0 like you said. Let me test you.. how many times does this book say Jehovah.
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In The Great Controversy by Ellen G. White, the term “Jehovah” is used several times. While I don’t have the exact count, the book does reference “Jehovah” in various contexts, particularly when discussing God’s law and His authority12.
If you have any other questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!
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Chatgpt said Jehovah is mentioned only 20 times. Using notepad++, then count for word.. it says 29 times. So this chatgpt stinks, closing window. Let me check how many times it said they used the word Jesus. 981, notepad++ says 228. So this chatgpt there.. it stinks so bad, with inaccurate information.
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It sounds like you’ve had quite the experience with different tools! It’s great that you were able to use Notepad++ to get accurate counts. Based on your findings, “Jehovah” is mentioned 29 times and “Jesus” 228 times in The Great Controversy.
If you have any other questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!
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I guess only saying Jesus 228 times isn't too bad, considering it's talking a lot about "Bible" verses, whichever bible they use. Like which version is she even using for this book?
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Ellen G. White primarily used the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible in her writings, including The Great Controversy1. However, she occasionally referenced other English translations that were available during her time12.
If you have any other questions or need more information, feel free to ask!
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In this pdf version of the book, whenever there's a verse, it's a blue link and the site goes to egwwritings.org. So at least it's kind of like official.
So.. you're saying she used this KJV version, eh.. what denominations also use that
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Yes, Ellen G. White primarily used the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible in her writings. Several Christian denominations also use the KJV, including:
Baptists
Pentecostals
Episcopalians
Presbyterians
Latter-day Saints (Mormons)123
These denominations appreciate the KJV for its literary quality and historical significance. If you have any more questions or need further information, feel free to ask!
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And these are all sub branches of what denomination?
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The denominations you mentioned—Baptists, Pentecostals, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Latter-day Saints—are all part of the broader Protestant branch of Christianity12. Protestantism itself emerged from the Reformation in the 16th century, which was a movement against certain practices and doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church23.
If you have any more questions or need further information, feel free to ask!
You
So it's all this "protestant" stuff, eh.
This King James version.. they did an "update" in 1979?
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Yes, the King James Version (KJV) was updated in 1979 with the release of the New King James Version (NKJV)12. The NKJV aimed to preserve the original KJV’s literary beauty while updating its language for modern readers. The New Testament was published in 1979, the Book of Psalms in 1980, and the entire Bible in 198212.
If you have any more questions or need further information, feel free to ask!
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So any religious organization that uses this NKJV, must be "protestant", like these other ones you mentioned
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While the New King James Version (NKJV) is predominantly used by Protestant denominations, it’s not exclusively limited to them. Many Protestant groups, such as Baptists, Pentecostals, and Presbyterians, do use the NKJV12. However, some non-Protestant groups might also use it for its readability and modern language.
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Yeah but you just said earlier that it's based off this whole "protestant" branch, all these sub branch religions that used the King James version.. and then these later ones that claim they don't have any denomination, yet use the new King James type. That's definitely this "protestant" type of religion.. compared to like roman catholic or something.
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You’re right! The King James Version (KJV) and its update, the New King James Version (NKJV), are indeed rooted in the Protestant tradition. Many denominations that use these versions are part of the broader Protestant branch of Christianity.
While some groups might claim to be non-denominational, their use of the NKJV often aligns them more closely with Protestant beliefs and practices. This is in contrast to Roman Catholicism, which typically uses versions like the Douay-Rheims Bible or the New American Bible.
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so how come in this "great controversy" book.. she doesn't use the word Yahweh, even once. Do these protestants have a beef with Yahweh?
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The absence of the word “Yahweh” in The Great Controversy and many other Protestant writings is largely due to historical and linguistic reasons rather than any specific “beef” with the name. Here are a few key points:
Sacredness of the Name: Historically, the name “Yahweh” was considered so sacred by the Jewish people that they avoided pronouncing it aloud. Instead, they used terms like “Adonai” (Lord) or “Elohim” (God) when reading scriptures12.
Translation Practices: The King James Version (KJV) of the Bible, which Ellen G. White primarily used, often substitutes “Yahweh” with “LORD” or “Jehovah.” This practice carried over into many Protestant traditions12.
Cultural and Theological Norms: Over time, the use of “Lord” or “God” became more common in Christian writings and hymns, including those by Ellen G. White. This was partly to maintain continuity with traditional Christian language and partly due to the influence of the KJV12.
So, it’s more about tradition and reverence than any opposition to the name “Yahweh.”
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They did use the word Jehovah, 29 times. Who's Jehovah.. that's not Yahweh, is it?
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“Jehovah” and “Yahweh” are actually different representations of the same name for God. Here’s a bit more detail:
Yahweh: This is considered the more accurate transliteration of the Hebrew name for God, represented by the Tetragrammaton YHWH. It reflects the original pronunciation more closely12.
Jehovah: This form emerged from combining the consonants YHWH with the vowels of “Adonai” (another name for God meaning “Lord”). This practice was adopted by medieval Christian scholars12. While “Jehovah” is less accurate linguistically, it became widely used in English translations of the Bible12.
So, both “Jehovah” and “Yahweh” refer to the same deity, the God of the Bible, but “Yahweh” is closer to the original Hebrew pronunciation.
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What about these Jehovah witness guys.. what's their deal.. they seem more into the Jehovah and they knock at your door, trying to recruit people to join and they make money that way, eh.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses are known for their distinctive beliefs and practices, which include door-to-door evangelism. Here are some key points about them:
Beliefs: They believe in Jehovah as the one true God and reject the Trinity doctrine. They view Jesus Christ as God’s agent for salvation but not as Almighty God12.
Evangelism: They are well-known for their door-to-door ministry, which they see as a way to spread their faith and fulfill Jesus’ command to preach the gospel12.
Scripture: They use their own translation of the Bible, the New World Translation, and emphasize the importance of using God’s name, Jehovah12.
Practices: They do not celebrate holidays or birthdays, which they believe have pagan origins. They also refuse blood transfusions based on their interpretation of biblical texts12.
Organization: Jehovah’s Witnesses are organized under the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. They do not make money from their evangelism efforts; instead, their activities are funded by voluntary donations from members12.
Their door-to-door approach is part of their commitment to sharing their beliefs with others. If you have more questions or need further details, feel free to ask!
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Wait, what.. they reject the trinity doctrine? What's that all about?
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Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the Trinity doctrine, which is the belief in one God in three persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. Here are some key reasons for their stance:
Biblical Interpretation: Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the Bible does not support the concept of the Trinity. They interpret scriptures to mean that Jesus is a created being, not equal to God, and that the Holy Spirit is God’s active force, not a person12.
Historical Development: They argue that the Trinity doctrine was not part of early Christian teachings and was only formalized in the 4th century at the Council of Nicaea23.
Rationality: Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that the idea of one God in three persons is illogical and cannot be explained by human reason3.
Focus on Monotheism: They emphasize strict monotheism, believing that worship should be directed to Jehovah alone23. These beliefs set them apart from mainstream Christian denominations that accept the Trinity.
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These Johavah witnesses there.. when did this start and why. Must be some sub branch of some religion.. betcha it's this protestant stuff like all these others.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses originated in the late 19th century as a branch of the Bible Student movement, which was led by Charles Taze Russell12. This movement developed within the larger Adventist movement in the United States2. Here are some key points about their origins:
Charles Taze Russell: He founded the International Bible Students Association in 1872 and later the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society in 188112.
Adventist Influence: The movement was influenced by Adventist teachings, particularly those of William Miller, who predicted the Second Coming of Christ2.
Name Change: In 1931, under the leadership of Joseph Franklin Rutherford, the group adopted the name “Jehovah’s Witnesses” to emphasize their belief in Jehovah as the true God12.
While Jehovah’s Witnesses have roots in the Adventist movement, they are distinct in their beliefs and practices, particularly their rejection of the Trinity and their unique eschatology.
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So you're saying they're "adventist". Let me check this super chart here with all the religions. ok I see these Jehovah witnesses they're not on the same branch as all these other guys that use this King James or the new one, eh. Oh wait.. it is coming from this whole protestant reformation. So similar as them. Seems to come from the baptists. Oh.. this is like those guys.. cause on that same side is those 7th day aventists. This whole religions branch thing is such a mess with these guys. Meanwhile, roman catholic you got just a tiny bit the whole time and that's it. All these other guys it's like oh they didn't like something and wanted to "sin" so they just start a new religion so they can do that, while pretending they're still "religious". Like all these sub group category branches are "outta hand" with how many they got going on. Then ya got the Jews.. it's kind of like roman catholic where it doesn't go all crazy with bunch of different sub branches.
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It sounds like you’re finding the chart quite revealing! The history of religious movements can indeed be complex, especially within Christianity. Here’s a bit more context:
Protestant Reformation: This was a major movement in the 16th century that led to the creation of many new Christian denominations. It started as a reaction against certain practices and doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church12.
Branches and Sub-branches: Over time, various groups within Protestantism have split off to form new denominations based on differing interpretations of scripture, governance, and practices. This is why you see so many branches and sub-branches on the chart12.
Jehovah’s Witnesses and Seventh-day Adventists: Both of these groups emerged from the broader Protestant tradition but have distinct beliefs and practices. Jehovah’s Witnesses, for example, reject the Trinity and emphasize the use of God’s name, Jehovah12. Seventh-day Adventists focus on the observance of the Sabbath on Saturday and have unique eschatological views12.
Roman Catholicism and Judaism: These traditions have remained more centralized, with fewer major splits compared to Protestantism. This centralization helps maintain more uniform beliefs and practices12.
Religious history is indeed intricate, and each group’s development reflects a unique response to theological, cultural, and historical factors.
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Gonna take a look at this shit by pdf instead. Looked around for it. Not sure if it's the same thing.
https://media2.egwwritings.org/pdf/en_GC.pdf
Go through this shit while eating meals. Apparently it's this chick that wrote it.
"About the Author Ellen G. White (1827-1915) is considered the most widely translated American author, her works having been published in more than 160 languages. She wrote more than 100,000 pages on a wide variety of spiritual and practical topics. Guided by the Holy Spirit, she exalted Jesus and pointed to the Scriptures as the basis of one’s faith."
Got this pdf on my desktop.. gonna gradually check it out a bit a time, while eating meals. But can't just do only that one, have a couple others on the desktop. So, once in a while, I'll try to check out this whole book and see what their deal is.
This is pretty odd here.. how, out of the blue, I get this book lately. I just scrolled down the pdf in the middle, glancing around. I'm there.. this is the same shit, same pile as this pastor "prophet" shit, I was researching this week. It's these same guys. And for whatever reason, these fools who distribute this free book, feel like they gotta totally ramp it up these days and try to get their shit out there. Same fucking camp as those guys in that trump prophet video, where he "predicted" he'd get his right ear grazed in a rally. Like what the fuck is this shit here, in this book. What are they trying to get you to do. What's their "agenda".
Like what fuckin bible are they using in here.. cause it wasn't that shenanigan 1979 one. Lemme ask Bing AI what "denomination" this shit is.
Gonna do this in another comment. Lots of text.
Tempting ones consent.
Collectivize reactions by others.
Action (ation) doesn't divide (de) by name (nomin)...action separates reactions from one another.
And I live in Canada, too. Here's the full sized image, if you didn't realize you click the thread link for that. Price says $14.99 on it.
https://media.scored.co/post/pyCGx2ZlBLYU.jpeg
Apparently this book was first published in the 1880's. Like what fucking shenanigan religious organization is this.
It's cause of Trump.. they're all worried about something. And what's up with the timing now.
Searched my city subreddit, no mention about "the great controversy". Checking all of reddit.. they're doing this all over the place!
The great controversy 83 points 131 comments submitted 23 days ago by Plastic-Pension7263 to r/portlandme Just know your mail carrier hates delivering them as much as you hate receiving them. Sincerely a Portland mail carrier.
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The Great Controversy 276 points 67 comments submitted 1 year ago by Sea_Slice_1449 to r/burlington https://v.redd.it/7cp2x6jkj9v91
haha..
the great controversy- great dog enrichment 126 points 18 comments submitted 14 days ago by Lmaoemilyy to r/portlandme my roommate gave my pup the book to stress chew tonight bc he wouldn't take any of his toys. worked out great for all :)
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Anyone else find "The Great Controversy" in their mailbox? 42 points 35 comments submitted 1 month ago by sha-la-la to r/saskatchewan A copy of this book showed up in our rural PO box today 40km outside of Moose Jaw. Anyone else around the province get a copy? According to Wikipedia it's basically evangelist propaganda written by a "prophetess" in the 1800s and somebody out there likes to drop ship them in certain locations from time to time. Anyone have any insight?
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Fuck man.. are they ever getting "desperate" out there, these guys.
Found!How and why did we get this? Religious book called the great controversy 1 point 6 comments submitted 28 days ago by yeemangames12 to r/HelpMeFind Question from above. Arrived like this just with a shipping label on the back. For more context, me and my family are all atheists, I and my sister have never been to church, and my mother and father haven't been in 20 years or more. It was addressed to my father and don't know why. Would be glad for more context on how and why we got it.
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Who else received a book titled "The Great Controversy" even though they didn't buy it? wtf? 143 points 115 comments submitted 2 years ago by rocknrollsteve to r/WestVirginia https://i.redd.it/shk6ntaxr4g71.jpg
I finished reading The Great Controversy. Here are some of the highlights 80 points 55 comments submitted 2 years ago by Sensitive-Fly4874Atheist to r/exAdventist https://www.reddit.com/gallery/w323km
DiscussionHas anyone else gotten the "the great controversy" book that's shown up at their door? 10 points 16 comments submitted 4 months ago by Mrtoaster_breaker64 to r/ontario So basically this religious book called "the great controversy" showed up at my doorstep and I've done some research on it for a while now but I found that most of the stuff that I got was in america and so Im just wondering if im the only one.
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Books in the mail? "The Great Controversy" 0 points 10 comments submitted 11 months ago by KCarriere to r/HuntsvilleAlabama How many people got this book in their mail? I googled and saw that it's been mailed out in other cities. Whats the story here? Why are we wasting so much paper? Who sent these out? Can we donate them or something? What the hell?
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Anyone else get a free copy of "The Great Controversy"? 0 points 42 comments submitted 1 year ago by kosmonautinVT to r/vermont https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/advent-of-religious-paperback-puzzles-some-in-vermont/Content?oid=36795125
They were handing this out in Ottawa during the Convoy. Seems they're drawn to political controversy.