Talking to bing AI.. check it out how it shuts 'er down when I ask about this chick who wrote the book and like come on.. that's not "prophecy" like the guy in this pastor vid who, 4 months ago talked about Trump getting grazed in the right ear during a rally. It shuts er down. Her shit is not very "prophet", like that dude, ok.
You
"the great controversy" book.. got a free 500 page book in the snail mail box and wasn't addressed. Looked into it and seems to happen to a lot of people. Who's sending these out. Seems like it was written by a lady in the early 1900's. What "denomination" is this "religion"?
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It sounds like you received a copy of “The Great Controversy” by Ellen G. White. This book is often distributed by the Seventh-day Adventist Church, a Christian denomination that Ellen G. White co-founded12.
The mass distribution of this book is part of a large-scale evangelistic effort by the church. Organizations like Remnant Publications, based in Michigan, are known for sending out these books to various locations across the United States and beyond34. The aim is to share their religious beliefs and provide information about the perceived ongoing spiritual battle between good and evil35.
Did you find the book interesting or have any specific thoughts about it?
You
Oh I'm in Canada and it seems US based, the content.
Copilot
Yes, the distribution efforts for “The Great Controversy” are quite extensive and often originate from the United States. However, the Seventh-day Adventist Church has a global presence, including in Canada, which is why you might have received the book there.
Have you had a chance to read any of it yet? If so, what are your thoughts?
You
What's the deal with these "Seventh-day Adventist". I have this super chart of all the "denominations" and where they come from. Let me upload that so you get an idea of all the religions and these sub-groups. Where does this "Seventh-day Adventist", fit in.
Copilot
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Thanks for sharing the chart! The Seventh-day Adventist Church is part of the Protestant Christian tradition. According to your chart, it branches off from the Millerite movement around 1844. This movement was led by William Miller, who predicted the Second Coming of Christ during that period12.
The Seventh-day Adventist Church was officially founded in 1863 and emphasizes the observance of the Sabbath on Saturday (the seventh day of the week) and the imminent Second Coming of Jesus Christ13. It has grown into a global denomination with a significant presence in many countries, including Canada.
Does this help clarify where the Seventh-day Adventist Church fits within the broader context of Christian denominations?
You
ok, so when somebody branches off, it's because they didn't like something of the parent religion, right. So what's the deal here with these "Seventh-day Adventist" guys. Was something they didn't like and went, we'll start our own thing.
Copilot
Yes, when a group branches off from a parent religion, it’s often due to disagreements or different interpretations of beliefs and practices. In the case of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, the split from the Millerite movement was primarily due to the aftermath of the Great Disappointment on October 22, 1844. This was the date when William Miller and his followers expected the Second Coming of Christ, which did not occur12.
Here are some key reasons for the formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church:
Interpretation of the Great Disappointment: After the predicted date passed without incident, the Millerite movement fractured. Some followers abandoned the movement, while others sought to understand why the prophecy seemed to fail. A group concluded that the date was correct but that the event was misunderstood. They believed that Christ had entered a heavenly sanctuary to begin a new phase of his ministry rather than returning to Earth12.
Sabbath Observance: Another significant factor was the emphasis on observing the Sabbath on Saturday, the seventh day of the week, instead of Sunday. This belief was adopted from the teachings of Joseph Bates, a former sea captain and early Adventist leader34.
Health and Lifestyle: The Seventh-day Adventists also developed distinctive health and lifestyle practices, including dietary reforms and the establishment of health institutions. Ellen G. White, one of the church’s founders, played a crucial role in promoting these principles34.
Prophetic Guidance: Ellen G. White’s visions and writings provided a unifying and guiding influence for the early Adventists. Her works are still highly regarded within the denomination34.
These differences in interpretation and practice led to the establishment of the Seventh-day Adventist Church in 1863, which has since grown into a global denomination with a unique set of beliefs and practices.
Does this help clarify their origins and distinct beliefs?
You
hang on.. so there was some "prophecy" that somebody said, like a specific date, or something and it didn't happen?
Copilot
Yes, that’s correct. The “Great Disappointment” refers to the event on October 22, 1844, when followers of William Miller, known as Millerites, expected the Second Coming of Jesus Christ based on Miller’s interpretation of biblical prophecy12. Miller had calculated this date using the prophecy in Daniel 8:14, which mentions a period of 2,300 days. He interpreted these days as years, starting from 457 B.C., leading to 184412.
When Jesus did not return as expected, it led to widespread disappointment and disillusionment among the Millerites12. This event is known as the Great Disappointment. Some followers abandoned the movement, while others reinterpreted the prophecy, believing that instead of Jesus returning to Earth, He had begun a new phase of His heavenly ministry12.
This reinterpretation eventually led to the formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, which holds that the prophecy marked the beginning of Jesus’ final work of atonement in the heavenly sanctuary12.
Does this help clarify the background of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and the Great Disappointment?
You
Never heard of this.. seems odd that somebody would try to get some sort of date from who knows what. Like seems a ways back.. why'd he start at 457 BC.
Copilot
William Miller used a method called the year-day principle to interpret biblical prophecies, where one prophetic day is understood to represent one year. He focused on the prophecy in Daniel 8:14, which mentions a period of 2,300 days. Miller believed these days represented years12.
The starting point of 457 B.C. comes from the decree issued by Artaxerxes I of Persia to rebuild Jerusalem, as recorded in the Bible (Ezra 7:7-8). This decree was significant because it marked the beginning of the restoration of Jerusalem after the Babylonian exile31. By adding 2,300 years to 457 B.C., Miller calculated that the period would end around 1843-184412.
This method and interpretation were part of Miller’s intensive study of the Bible, where he aimed to let the scriptures explain themselves by comparing different passages12.
Does this help clarify why Miller chose 457 B.C. as the starting point for his calculations?
You
So these "Seventh-day Adventist", after that happened, they went.. what?
Copilot
After the Great Disappointment, the Millerite movement splintered into several groups. Those who continued to believe in the prophecy sought to understand why the expected event did not occur. Here’s what happened next:
Reinterpretation of the Prophecy: A group of Millerites, including Hiram Edson, came to believe that the prophecy was correct but that the event was misunderstood. They concluded that October 22, 1844, marked the beginning of Jesus’ final work of atonement in the heavenly sanctuary, rather than His return to Earth12.
Formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church: This reinterpretation led to the formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The church was officially established in 1863, with a focus on the imminent Second Coming of Christ, the observance of the Sabbath on Saturday, and health and lifestyle reforms12.
Ellen G. White’s Influence: Ellen G. White, one of the church’s founders, played a significant role in shaping the beliefs and practices of the Seventh-day Adventist Church through her visions and writings12.
Growth and Expansion: The church grew rapidly, establishing schools, hospitals, and publishing houses. It became known for its emphasis on education, health, and missionary work12.
The Seventh-day Adventist Church has since become a global denomination with millions of members worldwide, continuing to emphasize its core beliefs and mission.
Does this help clarify what happened after the Great Disappointment and how the Seventh-day Adventist Church was formed?
You
oh I'm trying to do some research on what the deal is with this free book, eh. And earlier the first pages, talks about her.. it says..
"About the Author Ellen G. White (1827-1915) is considered the most widely translated American author, her works having been published in more than 160 languages. She wrote more than 100,000 pages on a wide variety of spiritual and practical topics. Guided by the Holy Spirit, she exalted Jesus and pointed to the Scriptures as the basis of one’s faith."
That's a lot of "writing" back in those days before a typewriter. Was she channeling like some who knows what, like the Ra material, or something?
Copilot
Ellen G. White’s prolific writing was indeed remarkable, especially considering the era she lived in. She attributed her writings to divine inspiration, believing she was guided by the Holy Spirit. Her works cover a wide range of topics, including theology, health, education, and practical Christian living12.
White’s process involved receiving visions and dreams, which she then documented. These experiences were central to her role as a prophetess within the Seventh-day Adventist Church12. Unlike channeling, which often involves communicating with spirits or other entities, White’s visions were understood by her and her followers as direct communications from God12.
Her writings were meticulously transcribed and edited by herself and her assistants, ensuring they were clear and accessible. This extensive body of work has had a lasting impact on the Seventh-day Adventist Church and its teachings12.
Does this help clarify her writing process and how she produced such a vast amount of work?
You
Oh, so she's not channeling it, like the Ra material book?
Copilot
That’s correct. Ellen G. White’s writings are considered to be inspired by the Holy Spirit, but not in the same way as channeling, like the Ra material. The Ra material, which is a series of books purportedly channeled by a group of entities known as Ra, involves a medium receiving messages from these entities12.
In contrast, Ellen G. White’s process involved receiving visions and dreams, which she believed were direct communications from God. She then documented these experiences and insights, which were later transcribed and edited12. Her followers view her writings as divinely inspired but always subordinate to the Bible12.
So, while both involve receiving information from a higher source, the nature and context of the inspiration are quite different.
Does this help clarify the distinction between Ellen G. White’s writings and the Ra material?
You
what kind of visions did she have?
Copilot
Ellen G. White had numerous visions throughout her life, which she believed were divine revelations. Here are some notable types of visions she experienced:
Doctrinal Visions: Many of her early visions helped shape the doctrinal framework of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. For example, her first vision in December 1844 reassured the early Adventists about their faith after the Great Disappointment1.
Health and Lifestyle: In 1863, she had a significant vision about health reform, which led to the church’s emphasis on healthy living, diet, and the establishment of health institutions1.
Educational Visions: She also had visions that guided the church in establishing educational institutions, promoting a holistic approach to education that included physical, mental, and spiritual development1.
Prophetic and Apocalyptic Visions: Some of her visions dealt with future events and the end times, emphasizing the imminent Second Coming of Christ and the importance of being prepared1.
Practical Christian Living: Many of her visions provided guidance on practical aspects of Christian living, such as family life, personal conduct, and community service1.
These visions were central to her role as a prophetess and had a profound impact on the development and practices of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Does this give you a better understanding of the types of visions she had?
You
did she do any of this "prophecy" stuff.. where she said specific things, within her timeframe.. or could be after she died, right.. like specific things, not vague and they later happened?
Copilot
Yes, Ellen G. White made several specific prophecies, some of which were fulfilled during her lifetime, while others were fulfilled after her death. Here are a few notable examples:
The Civil War: Ellen White predicted the outbreak of the American Civil War and its devastating impact. In 1861, she wrote about the impending conflict and the suffering it would bring1.
The Great Chicago Fire: She warned about the destruction of large cities by fire. In 1871, the Great Chicago Fire occurred, which many Adventists believe fulfilled her prophecy1.
Modern Spiritualism: She predicted the rise and spread of modern spiritualism, which became more prominent in the late 19th and early 20th centuries2.
Health and Lifestyle: Her health reform visions led to the establishment of health institutions and the promotion of a vegetarian diet, which have been validated by modern science1.
While some of her prophecies were specific and fulfilled, others were more general and open to interpretation. It’s important to note that her primary role was not as a predictor of future events but as a spiritual guide and reformer12.
Does this help clarify her role as a prophet and the nature of her prophecies?
You
Doesn't seem very "prophet".. like come on.. think of this guy the other day, where 4 months ago he specifically says that Trump would get grazed in the right ear during a rally and it's on youtube with the upload date.
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Talking to bing AI.. check it out how it shuts 'er down when I ask about this chick who wrote the book and like come on.. that's not "prophecy" like the guy in this pastor vid who, 4 months ago talked about Trump getting grazed in the right ear during a rally. It shuts er down. Her shit is not very "prophet", like that dude, ok.
You
"the great controversy" book.. got a free 500 page book in the snail mail box and wasn't addressed. Looked into it and seems to happen to a lot of people. Who's sending these out. Seems like it was written by a lady in the early 1900's. What "denomination" is this "religion"?
Copilot
It sounds like you received a copy of “The Great Controversy” by Ellen G. White. This book is often distributed by the Seventh-day Adventist Church, a Christian denomination that Ellen G. White co-founded12.
The mass distribution of this book is part of a large-scale evangelistic effort by the church. Organizations like Remnant Publications, based in Michigan, are known for sending out these books to various locations across the United States and beyond34. The aim is to share their religious beliefs and provide information about the perceived ongoing spiritual battle between good and evil35.
Did you find the book interesting or have any specific thoughts about it?
You
Oh I'm in Canada and it seems US based, the content.
Copilot
Yes, the distribution efforts for “The Great Controversy” are quite extensive and often originate from the United States. However, the Seventh-day Adventist Church has a global presence, including in Canada, which is why you might have received the book there.
Have you had a chance to read any of it yet? If so, what are your thoughts?
You
What's the deal with these "Seventh-day Adventist". I have this super chart of all the "denominations" and where they come from. Let me upload that so you get an idea of all the religions and these sub-groups. Where does this "Seventh-day Adventist", fit in.
Copilot
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Thanks for sharing the chart! The Seventh-day Adventist Church is part of the Protestant Christian tradition. According to your chart, it branches off from the Millerite movement around 1844. This movement was led by William Miller, who predicted the Second Coming of Christ during that period12.
The Seventh-day Adventist Church was officially founded in 1863 and emphasizes the observance of the Sabbath on Saturday (the seventh day of the week) and the imminent Second Coming of Jesus Christ13. It has grown into a global denomination with a significant presence in many countries, including Canada.
Does this help clarify where the Seventh-day Adventist Church fits within the broader context of Christian denominations?
You
ok, so when somebody branches off, it's because they didn't like something of the parent religion, right. So what's the deal here with these "Seventh-day Adventist" guys. Was something they didn't like and went, we'll start our own thing.
Copilot
Yes, when a group branches off from a parent religion, it’s often due to disagreements or different interpretations of beliefs and practices. In the case of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, the split from the Millerite movement was primarily due to the aftermath of the Great Disappointment on October 22, 1844. This was the date when William Miller and his followers expected the Second Coming of Christ, which did not occur12.
Here are some key reasons for the formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church:
Interpretation of the Great Disappointment: After the predicted date passed without incident, the Millerite movement fractured. Some followers abandoned the movement, while others sought to understand why the prophecy seemed to fail. A group concluded that the date was correct but that the event was misunderstood. They believed that Christ had entered a heavenly sanctuary to begin a new phase of his ministry rather than returning to Earth12.
Sabbath Observance: Another significant factor was the emphasis on observing the Sabbath on Saturday, the seventh day of the week, instead of Sunday. This belief was adopted from the teachings of Joseph Bates, a former sea captain and early Adventist leader34.
Health and Lifestyle: The Seventh-day Adventists also developed distinctive health and lifestyle practices, including dietary reforms and the establishment of health institutions. Ellen G. White, one of the church’s founders, played a crucial role in promoting these principles34.
Prophetic Guidance: Ellen G. White’s visions and writings provided a unifying and guiding influence for the early Adventists. Her works are still highly regarded within the denomination34.
These differences in interpretation and practice led to the establishment of the Seventh-day Adventist Church in 1863, which has since grown into a global denomination with a unique set of beliefs and practices.
Does this help clarify their origins and distinct beliefs?
You
hang on.. so there was some "prophecy" that somebody said, like a specific date, or something and it didn't happen?
Copilot
Yes, that’s correct. The “Great Disappointment” refers to the event on October 22, 1844, when followers of William Miller, known as Millerites, expected the Second Coming of Jesus Christ based on Miller’s interpretation of biblical prophecy12. Miller had calculated this date using the prophecy in Daniel 8:14, which mentions a period of 2,300 days. He interpreted these days as years, starting from 457 B.C., leading to 184412.
When Jesus did not return as expected, it led to widespread disappointment and disillusionment among the Millerites12. This event is known as the Great Disappointment. Some followers abandoned the movement, while others reinterpreted the prophecy, believing that instead of Jesus returning to Earth, He had begun a new phase of His heavenly ministry12.
This reinterpretation eventually led to the formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, which holds that the prophecy marked the beginning of Jesus’ final work of atonement in the heavenly sanctuary12.
Does this help clarify the background of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and the Great Disappointment?
You
Never heard of this.. seems odd that somebody would try to get some sort of date from who knows what. Like seems a ways back.. why'd he start at 457 BC.
Copilot
William Miller used a method called the year-day principle to interpret biblical prophecies, where one prophetic day is understood to represent one year. He focused on the prophecy in Daniel 8:14, which mentions a period of 2,300 days. Miller believed these days represented years12.
The starting point of 457 B.C. comes from the decree issued by Artaxerxes I of Persia to rebuild Jerusalem, as recorded in the Bible (Ezra 7:7-8). This decree was significant because it marked the beginning of the restoration of Jerusalem after the Babylonian exile31. By adding 2,300 years to 457 B.C., Miller calculated that the period would end around 1843-184412.
This method and interpretation were part of Miller’s intensive study of the Bible, where he aimed to let the scriptures explain themselves by comparing different passages12.
Does this help clarify why Miller chose 457 B.C. as the starting point for his calculations?
You
So these "Seventh-day Adventist", after that happened, they went.. what?
Copilot
After the Great Disappointment, the Millerite movement splintered into several groups. Those who continued to believe in the prophecy sought to understand why the expected event did not occur. Here’s what happened next:
Reinterpretation of the Prophecy: A group of Millerites, including Hiram Edson, came to believe that the prophecy was correct but that the event was misunderstood. They concluded that October 22, 1844, marked the beginning of Jesus’ final work of atonement in the heavenly sanctuary, rather than His return to Earth12.
Formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church: This reinterpretation led to the formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The church was officially established in 1863, with a focus on the imminent Second Coming of Christ, the observance of the Sabbath on Saturday, and health and lifestyle reforms12.
Ellen G. White’s Influence: Ellen G. White, one of the church’s founders, played a significant role in shaping the beliefs and practices of the Seventh-day Adventist Church through her visions and writings12.
Growth and Expansion: The church grew rapidly, establishing schools, hospitals, and publishing houses. It became known for its emphasis on education, health, and missionary work12.
The Seventh-day Adventist Church has since become a global denomination with millions of members worldwide, continuing to emphasize its core beliefs and mission.
Does this help clarify what happened after the Great Disappointment and how the Seventh-day Adventist Church was formed?
You
oh I'm trying to do some research on what the deal is with this free book, eh. And earlier the first pages, talks about her.. it says..
"About the Author Ellen G. White (1827-1915) is considered the most widely translated American author, her works having been published in more than 160 languages. She wrote more than 100,000 pages on a wide variety of spiritual and practical topics. Guided by the Holy Spirit, she exalted Jesus and pointed to the Scriptures as the basis of one’s faith."
That's a lot of "writing" back in those days before a typewriter. Was she channeling like some who knows what, like the Ra material, or something?
Copilot
Ellen G. White’s prolific writing was indeed remarkable, especially considering the era she lived in. She attributed her writings to divine inspiration, believing she was guided by the Holy Spirit. Her works cover a wide range of topics, including theology, health, education, and practical Christian living12.
White’s process involved receiving visions and dreams, which she then documented. These experiences were central to her role as a prophetess within the Seventh-day Adventist Church12. Unlike channeling, which often involves communicating with spirits or other entities, White’s visions were understood by her and her followers as direct communications from God12.
Her writings were meticulously transcribed and edited by herself and her assistants, ensuring they were clear and accessible. This extensive body of work has had a lasting impact on the Seventh-day Adventist Church and its teachings12.
Does this help clarify her writing process and how she produced such a vast amount of work?
You
Oh, so she's not channeling it, like the Ra material book?
Copilot
That’s correct. Ellen G. White’s writings are considered to be inspired by the Holy Spirit, but not in the same way as channeling, like the Ra material. The Ra material, which is a series of books purportedly channeled by a group of entities known as Ra, involves a medium receiving messages from these entities12.
In contrast, Ellen G. White’s process involved receiving visions and dreams, which she believed were direct communications from God. She then documented these experiences and insights, which were later transcribed and edited12. Her followers view her writings as divinely inspired but always subordinate to the Bible12.
So, while both involve receiving information from a higher source, the nature and context of the inspiration are quite different.
Does this help clarify the distinction between Ellen G. White’s writings and the Ra material?
You
what kind of visions did she have?
Copilot
Ellen G. White had numerous visions throughout her life, which she believed were divine revelations. Here are some notable types of visions she experienced:
Doctrinal Visions: Many of her early visions helped shape the doctrinal framework of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. For example, her first vision in December 1844 reassured the early Adventists about their faith after the Great Disappointment1.
Health and Lifestyle: In 1863, she had a significant vision about health reform, which led to the church’s emphasis on healthy living, diet, and the establishment of health institutions1.
Educational Visions: She also had visions that guided the church in establishing educational institutions, promoting a holistic approach to education that included physical, mental, and spiritual development1.
Prophetic and Apocalyptic Visions: Some of her visions dealt with future events and the end times, emphasizing the imminent Second Coming of Christ and the importance of being prepared1.
Practical Christian Living: Many of her visions provided guidance on practical aspects of Christian living, such as family life, personal conduct, and community service1.
These visions were central to her role as a prophetess and had a profound impact on the development and practices of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Does this give you a better understanding of the types of visions she had?
You
did she do any of this "prophecy" stuff.. where she said specific things, within her timeframe.. or could be after she died, right.. like specific things, not vague and they later happened?
Copilot
Yes, Ellen G. White made several specific prophecies, some of which were fulfilled during her lifetime, while others were fulfilled after her death. Here are a few notable examples:
The Civil War: Ellen White predicted the outbreak of the American Civil War and its devastating impact. In 1861, she wrote about the impending conflict and the suffering it would bring1.
The Great Chicago Fire: She warned about the destruction of large cities by fire. In 1871, the Great Chicago Fire occurred, which many Adventists believe fulfilled her prophecy1.
Modern Spiritualism: She predicted the rise and spread of modern spiritualism, which became more prominent in the late 19th and early 20th centuries2.
Health and Lifestyle: Her health reform visions led to the establishment of health institutions and the promotion of a vegetarian diet, which have been validated by modern science1.
While some of her prophecies were specific and fulfilled, others were more general and open to interpretation. It’s important to note that her primary role was not as a predictor of future events but as a spiritual guide and reformer12.
Does this help clarify her role as a prophet and the nature of her prophecies?
You
Doesn't seem very "prophet".. like come on.. think of this guy the other day, where 4 months ago he specifically says that Trump would get grazed in the right ear during a rally and it's on youtube with the upload date.
Copilot
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