I suppose to make a case for this you would need to list the specs of your camera settings when taking the picture, since it could be distorted by a wide angle lense (playing devil's advocate)
People are stupid. That much I learned during Covid.
If the Earth's surface were flat, then when the Sun is visible in the sky it will be visible from all points on the "flat" surface of the Earth. If it is daylight in USA it will be daylight in China. This is most certainly not the case. Say, you live in the Eastern states of USA, like I do. Just call your friends/relatives in Europe in the late afternoon and see if it is already night there. Instant communications defeat the flat Earth hypothesis.
Yes. And you are one of the stupid ones. The sun is not 92 million miles away. If you hold a flashlight shining down onto a football field, does it light up the while field? No. Do better.
It has nothing to do with the distance to the Sun. A plane divides 3-dimensional space in two half-spaces - above and below. Light travels in straight path.
You are imagining the Sun as a spot light at a movie set, not as an isotropic source of light, while measurements indicate that it is an isotropic source. But how does this "bright spot" on a flat surface agree with the actual patterns of day and night experienced on Earth. Present the evidence.
Sheep need to be fed information. Be a wolf and hunt for it. Or don’t. But unless you are paying for my time, don’t presume you can demand anything from me.
You are not that smart. The Sun is not a flashlight. When it is night on the East Coast we do not see a beam of light shining down on Chicago or LA. Smarten up dummy!
In the words of obi wan, "Your eyes can deceive you; don't trust them."
Often times what we see (and record in pictures) is not what is. This is the reason that science (empiricism) requires measurement, not merely looking at stuff!
I encourage you to look up "barrel distortion" to understand what causes the curve in the picture above. If the curve in the picture were really the curve of a spherical earth, that earth would be far tinier than we are taught (calculate it yourself if you like)..
If you, or anyone else, are interested in the subject - very much including those with purely critical views - please join us on c/flatearthresearch to discuss and exchange views on it.
How come when I squish these photographs of a squaring tool and a ruler they don't take on a curvature?
Primarily it is because the lens is calibrated for that focal length. and that the least amount of barrel distortion is introduced by the dead center of the lens
It still introduces distortion, but it is less noticeable because of that calibration (traditionally done by photographing a grid pattern).
Does the barrel distortion disappear when photographing a straight object?
Of course not, it is present in all convex lenses regardless of the subject photographed. I encourage you to read about it.
None of those rulers are near the center of the lenses yet they don't distort.
As i said, it is mostly due to the lens being calibrated for the focal length you are using, but it is also (at least in part) because the light which enters the center of the lens perpendicularly is the least distorted (that's regardless of focal length).
Seems like you guys just wanna make up any excuse you can to say you can't see the earth curve.
It's the opposite, though I am not one of "you guys". You want to be able to see the curve, and want to believe that the distortion you see in this picture (or from an airplane) is that curvature. This bias comes from what we call education. The truth is, that the curvature is not there/perceivable at any available (to you or i anyhow) altitude (this is also calculable).
We'll I got news for you.. You don't even need a camera. You can see it with your naked eye.
This is a common and popularized misconception. The horizon (unless distorted) is always flat, level, and horizontal. You can't see any curvature (even if it were there) with your naked eye from any available altitude, even with a two by four at your disposal. If you could, the world would have to be far too small. I encourage you to calculate it if you don't believe that.
And I'm sure there's barrel distortion going on there too....
There certainly is, however the shape of the retina and processing in the brain is supposed to correct for that. Still, malformation of the eye (and/or nerves/brain which processes the signals from it) is very real and certainly possible.
However in the example you mentioned, barrel distortion couldn't be the cause. Much more likely you would be observing a swell (water isn't motionless) or distortion from the air (and/or things dissolved/commingling in that air). Try that same observation on a large lake on a calm day!
Can't trust them lying eyes.
Exactly! That's what science is all about. We measure because simply looking isn't good enough and often leads to incorrect conclusions.
Granted. When speaking of the horizon, we are most often speaking of the visible horizon, which is very different than the actual/geographical horizon conceived in the globe model (aka the edge of the earth). What is most often missed is that this visible horizon is an optical illusion and not the physical edge of anything but our vision. That is one of the major reasons that it doesn't curve, and even if it did would not have bearing on the shape of the world.
As in no matter where you are?
Correct.
Wouldn't a flat earth have a round horizon in some places near the edge?
No, the visible horizon (which is the limit of your vision - a line surrounding you in 360 degrees) would be and is always flat.
Also, assuming the world flat - who says it would have an edge at all, let alone a curved one? The ones who believe in an edge are the globe proponents and believers - not the others.
you always see the same uniform appearance?
It's because the horizon is an optical illusion. It's the same reason the horizon appears to rise up to your eye level in the distance. It has to do with angular resolution limits of the eye, which is the cause of perspective. It also varies with weather conditions in distance / clarity etc.
Can you think of any 3D shape that will appear the same no matter what angle it's viewed from
That "argument" doesn't apply to observations made of the earth. That is a common argument for observations of the moon and such things, but it is a big mistake to think that the uniformity we observe on earth has any dependency on sphericity. It's the opposite. The world is flat either because it actually is, or merely because it appears that way to us because of our relative scale.
What's this then?
That is a picture with distortion in it. Most likely that is caused by distortion from the air/and things dissolved/commingling in it. This can be confirmed by seeing the same shot from a slightly higher vantage point which shows clearly there is no curving occurring. But as I said, science is about rigorous measurement not merely looking! Often what we see, especially at great distance, is not what is. We often forget that we are looking through an awful lot of stuff, and even the laws of perspective/optics as a result of the design/limitations of the eye are not particularly intuitive.
You ruled science out the moment you ignored all of it's findings to adopt a theory that necessitates gravity not existing.
I did no such thing! Science is about dissent, disagreement, and doubt my friend. "All of its findings" are not congruent and consensus is a curse word in science (also known by another term : bias). Truth is not a democracy, thank god.
It is precisely because of scientific findings, my adherence to the principles/philosophy of, as well as study and love of science that i have come to the conclusions i have.
Besides, you are misunderstanding my view. Gravity very much exists, and has formally for millennia. It is gravitation, invented a few centuries ago, which doesn't exist. I'm not subscribing/adopting any theory whatsoever - merely rejecting/discarding a theory (gravitation) misrepresented as a law which has never had any empirical support or reality. Newton didn't even bother to offer a hypothesis for it, because he understood it could never be empirical. He literally attributed its function/mechanism to the christian god.
So one post in 3 years, and it's about flat earth? This is not normal behavior.
https://communities.win/u/XxxRDTPRNxxX/?type=post
Account went active 7 days ago. Day of the attack?
With half of his replies being on the topic of Gazza Israel?
"There's the curve right there; ya fuckin idiot"... https://img.gvid.tv/i/2XoVL3D9.jpg
Squeeze hard enough, and globe luxation will make any eye a fisheye lens.
Yeah, I think you missed the point.
No, it's called a joke.
And a big whoosh on your part.
You missed the joke SO badly that you even linked to globe luxation. LOL
Yet here you are posting about it.
LOL
You are really doubling down on not understanding a joke...LOL
I suppose to make a case for this you would need to list the specs of your camera settings when taking the picture, since it could be distorted by a wide angle lense (playing devil's advocate)
People are stupid. That much I learned during Covid.
If the Earth's surface were flat, then when the Sun is visible in the sky it will be visible from all points on the "flat" surface of the Earth. If it is daylight in USA it will be daylight in China. This is most certainly not the case. Say, you live in the Eastern states of USA, like I do. Just call your friends/relatives in Europe in the late afternoon and see if it is already night there. Instant communications defeat the flat Earth hypothesis.
Yes. And you are one of the stupid ones. The sun is not 92 million miles away. If you hold a flashlight shining down onto a football field, does it light up the while field? No. Do better.
It has nothing to do with the distance to the Sun. A plane divides 3-dimensional space in two half-spaces - above and below. Light travels in straight path. You are imagining the Sun as a spot light at a movie set, not as an isotropic source of light, while measurements indicate that it is an isotropic source. But how does this "bright spot" on a flat surface agree with the actual patterns of day and night experienced on Earth. Present the evidence.
Sheep need to be fed information. Be a wolf and hunt for it. Or don’t. But unless you are paying for my time, don’t presume you can demand anything from me.
You are not that smart. The Sun is not a flashlight. When it is night on the East Coast we do not see a beam of light shining down on Chicago or LA. Smarten up dummy!
Is that the ocean, or land?
never mind, zoomed in and see it is ocean
In the words of obi wan, "Your eyes can deceive you; don't trust them."
Often times what we see (and record in pictures) is not what is. This is the reason that science (empiricism) requires measurement, not merely looking at stuff!
I encourage you to look up "barrel distortion" to understand what causes the curve in the picture above. If the curve in the picture were really the curve of a spherical earth, that earth would be far tinier than we are taught (calculate it yourself if you like)..
If you, or anyone else, are interested in the subject - very much including those with purely critical views - please join us on c/flatearthresearch to discuss and exchange views on it.
Primarily it is because the lens is calibrated for that focal length. and that the least amount of barrel distortion is introduced by the dead center of the lens
It still introduces distortion, but it is less noticeable because of that calibration (traditionally done by photographing a grid pattern).
Of course not, it is present in all convex lenses regardless of the subject photographed. I encourage you to read about it.
As i said, it is mostly due to the lens being calibrated for the focal length you are using, but it is also (at least in part) because the light which enters the center of the lens perpendicularly is the least distorted (that's regardless of focal length).
It's the opposite, though I am not one of "you guys". You want to be able to see the curve, and want to believe that the distortion you see in this picture (or from an airplane) is that curvature. This bias comes from what we call education. The truth is, that the curvature is not there/perceivable at any available (to you or i anyhow) altitude (this is also calculable).
This is a common and popularized misconception. The horizon (unless distorted) is always flat, level, and horizontal. You can't see any curvature (even if it were there) with your naked eye from any available altitude, even with a two by four at your disposal. If you could, the world would have to be far too small. I encourage you to calculate it if you don't believe that.
There certainly is, however the shape of the retina and processing in the brain is supposed to correct for that. Still, malformation of the eye (and/or nerves/brain which processes the signals from it) is very real and certainly possible.
However in the example you mentioned, barrel distortion couldn't be the cause. Much more likely you would be observing a swell (water isn't motionless) or distortion from the air (and/or things dissolved/commingling in that air). Try that same observation on a large lake on a calm day!
Exactly! That's what science is all about. We measure because simply looking isn't good enough and often leads to incorrect conclusions.
Granted. When speaking of the horizon, we are most often speaking of the visible horizon, which is very different than the actual/geographical horizon conceived in the globe model (aka the edge of the earth). What is most often missed is that this visible horizon is an optical illusion and not the physical edge of anything but our vision. That is one of the major reasons that it doesn't curve, and even if it did would not have bearing on the shape of the world.
Correct.
No, the visible horizon (which is the limit of your vision - a line surrounding you in 360 degrees) would be and is always flat.
Also, assuming the world flat - who says it would have an edge at all, let alone a curved one? The ones who believe in an edge are the globe proponents and believers - not the others.
It's because the horizon is an optical illusion. It's the same reason the horizon appears to rise up to your eye level in the distance. It has to do with angular resolution limits of the eye, which is the cause of perspective. It also varies with weather conditions in distance / clarity etc.
That "argument" doesn't apply to observations made of the earth. That is a common argument for observations of the moon and such things, but it is a big mistake to think that the uniformity we observe on earth has any dependency on sphericity. It's the opposite. The world is flat either because it actually is, or merely because it appears that way to us because of our relative scale.
That is a picture with distortion in it. Most likely that is caused by distortion from the air/and things dissolved/commingling in it. This can be confirmed by seeing the same shot from a slightly higher vantage point which shows clearly there is no curving occurring. But as I said, science is about rigorous measurement not merely looking! Often what we see, especially at great distance, is not what is. We often forget that we are looking through an awful lot of stuff, and even the laws of perspective/optics as a result of the design/limitations of the eye are not particularly intuitive.
I did no such thing! Science is about dissent, disagreement, and doubt my friend. "All of its findings" are not congruent and consensus is a curse word in science (also known by another term : bias). Truth is not a democracy, thank god.
It is precisely because of scientific findings, my adherence to the principles/philosophy of, as well as study and love of science that i have come to the conclusions i have.
Besides, you are misunderstanding my view. Gravity very much exists, and has formally for millennia. It is gravitation, invented a few centuries ago, which doesn't exist. I'm not subscribing/adopting any theory whatsoever - merely rejecting/discarding a theory (gravitation) misrepresented as a law which has never had any empirical support or reality. Newton didn't even bother to offer a hypothesis for it, because he understood it could never be empirical. He literally attributed its function/mechanism to the christian god.