This has been bugging me for a while, since I left freecanada's forums. Seeing their members trying to deny that the government screwed indians over hard (not that america didnt either) was mind blowing.
First off, one news source initially reported "mass" graves.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/28/world/canada/kamloops-mass-grave-residential-schools.html
Guess it just doesnt have the same ring as unmarked graves, which is what they really were.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/26/world/canada/indigenous-residential-schools-grave.html
Most members of freecanada believe that no graves were ever found. That is simply not true...
Why do these people find this so hard to believe? It's almost like they think they are personally responsible for what happened. It wasnt their ancestors running the churchs, or instituted the policys that allowed them to rip kids from their familys and shuttle them thousands of km's to name them jack or mary.
Maybe if indians could get some truth and justice, perhaps the rest of us may have a chance as well. But nope, its all a big conspiracy to make them ashamed of their heritage. My ancestors werent killing indians or stealing their shit, I have nothing to be ashamed of on that front. My family has core values that include defending others when they cant defend their-selves. Admittedly, alot of them dont even care anymore. My fathers siblings for example were pretty much all yuppies save one.
On Wednesday, another revelation came out, this time from the Ktunaxa Nation (Lower Kootenay Band) that 182 shallow unmarked graves lay at the former St. Eugene's Mission Residential School near Cranbrook, B.C. Once again, the school, which operated from 1912 to the 1970s, was run by the Catholic Church.
About 150,000 First Nations, Metis, and Inuit children went through the schools, taken from their parents by force if necessary. At least 4,000 died and, as in the case of the unmarked graves discovered to date, many of the children just disappeared with their parents left wondering what happened to them.
The schools were run by the United, Anglican, Presbyterian, and Catholic churches. The first three issued formal apologies for their roles in the schools. But while local Catholic authorities said they were sorry, Trudeau and First Nations leaders called for Pope Francis to officially apologize. It is estimated that about 60% of the schools were operated by the Catholic Church.
One woman even claims she witnessed a baby that was fathered by a priest thrown into the incinerator alive. I have no doubt that fetal remains were being incinerated. The church is usually really good about covering up their evil's. Which is one of the reasons I cant follow a Abrahamic god. The amount of evil perpetuated by the churches.
They slipped up in ireland though.
Corless found that, between 1925 and 1961, 796 children died at the St Mary's mother and baby home, run by nuns from the Bon Secours order – but there were no burial records. Many are believed to have ended up in the former sewage facility. “It became a handy way to dispose of them,” Corless told the Observer
Not much of a different story in Appalachia either.
The latest suit included allegations that some students became pregnant after being raped and were given abortions. Some children ranging in age from 7 to 12 were infected with sexually transmitted diseases after being assaulted by staff members, the suit claimed.
So why the fuck does anyone think they were not doing this shit in canada, it really blows my mind. The church wasnt racist in that regard, if you were poor and helpless, you were at their mercy. Makes me furious, I know whats its like to be pushed around and treated less than garbage. It makes you hate everything.
“The ones you won’t hear from are the more than 50,000 children who died from beatings, starvation, rape and torture, or being deliberately exposed to tuberculosis and left to cough their lives away in squalor and terror — all at the hands of Christian men and women who have never been prosecuted for their crimes,” Annett wrote in a preamble to his book. “These murdered children lie in nearly forgotten graves across Canada, or their ashes are scattered on sea and land after they were incinerated in residential school furnaces, to hide the crime that killed them.”
Irene Favel was witness to the abuse of residential schools, and to the murder of a newborn. She attended the Roman Catholic Muscowequan Indian Residential School, which was about 150 km from Regina, Saskatchewan. The school had Cree, Saulteaux and Métis students.
“I’m 75. I went to residential school in Muscowequan from 1944 to 1949, and I had a rough life. I was mistreated in every way,” Favel told the CBC in an interview in 2008. “There was a young girl — she was seven years old — and she was pregnant. And what they did, she had her baby and they took the baby and wrapped it up in a nice pink outfit, and they took it downstairs where I was cooking dinner with the nun. And they took the baby into the furnace room, and they threw that little baby in there and burned it alive. All you could hear was this little cry, like ‘Uuh,’ and that was it. You could smell that flesh cooking. It’s a big mistake when people say we were treated good. There’s no way. There’s a lot of things that happened in those boarding schools.”
https://thebridgehead.ca/2022/11/16/residential-schools-abortion-and-the-graves-of-children/
When I was in Senior B, I used to hear about girls getting pregnant down the other end of the building. They’d get pregnant, but they would never have kids, you know. And the thing was, they’d bring somebody in from over town who’d do an abortion, I guess. We used to hear it. It used to be really scary, hearing them open up the incinerator after what was going on. They’d open up the incinerator in the big boiler, and we would hear this big clang, and we’d know they would be getting rid of the evidence…We’d wonder how many kids got thrown in the incinerator.
This is what governments do when they are not responsible to the people. And I dont really doubt any of this. After what happened to me and having organizations like the workers compensation bureau of nova scotia, or the college of physicians and surgeons nova scotia lie and treat me like I was insane. I have very little doubt about what "really" happened.
One last thing. I come across this comment in reddit in a thread about the topic. I cant find it now, it appears to deleted, but you can see the amount of misinformation, which is probably the canadian government themselves trying to defuse the situation. Just better to cover it up, wouldnt want to upset anyone.
https://np.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/16857jp/no_evidence_of_human_remains_found_beneath_church/
The comment said something along the lines of "My friend was a technician there and when they discovered the anomalies were a septic field they were all forced to sign NDA's and told to leave."
Yes, because the government has every intention of telling people the truth about anything. The canadian government is good about telling people how stupid they are and to not think for themselves.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/secret-orders-in-council-1.6467450
"Trudeau government has adopted dozens of secret cabinet orders since coming to power"
A quote from "They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1933-45 Milton Mayer
"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security.
I ask you, as the reader, dont take my word for it, or the word of someone else. Take the time to read, and explore the subject and decide for yourself what you think.
Just because graves were not discovered at some sites (and I question that), it does not de legitimize the crimes that were committed against humanity.
https://nypost.com/2023/08/31/still-no-evidence-of-mass-graves-of-indigenous-children-in-canada/
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So where’s the evidence of anything approaching a mass grave of MURDERED corpses?
It changed from mass Graves to anomalies in the ground...
The problem is that these events in the past are being weaponized against us in the presence.
Meanwhile, in the present day:
Maui:
1,000 still missing in Maui as survivor reveals harrowing details of dead babies in ocean:
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Charred Remains:
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Maui Smart City Plan:
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"We're All Trapped In Here, They're Blocking Off All Exits":
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Maui residents who disobeyed barricade survived fires:
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Number of Missing People:
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[It's like covering up windows when counting votes:
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Maui officials tried to enforce media BLACKOUT to block footage from devastating wildfires:
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Firefighter Whistleblower: Maui Attack NOT A Wildfire | Insurance Adjuster Specializing In Fires:
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Maui Worker’s Video Shows Front Street Police Roadblock:
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The results of research into the Governor of Hawaii from the perspective of looking for preplanning and preparation for a land grab:
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Why are Celebs All Painting Their Maui Properties the Same Weird Shade of Blue?:
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Tulsi Gabbard on Joe Rogan, on the Government's Response to the Maui Fires:
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Maui was mapped out in January:
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CCP Satellites Over Maui At Time of Fires:
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Lahaina Wasn't a Wildfire. It Was MASS MURDER:
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Compilation of Lahaina locals saying fire was a planned attack & NOT natural + police blockade clips:
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Lahaina Fire 40 days later:
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Wendy Bell of NewsMax: Maui Fires
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UFC Fighter Bryce Mitchell ON Maui Fires:
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Yeah and in 30 years the elite will bring up dead babies in Maui and blame whites/christians/westerners.
I wouldn't argue that there were no abuses, or even that the government didn't attempt at least cultural genocide (by their own admission).
However, the mass grave claims are both unfounded and unnecessary.
As to the government telling the truth; they're the ones pushing the mass grave hysteria. As the self-proclaimed moral arbiters of Canada, they are strengthened by any group feeling aggreived against the others. Right now, parental rights rallies are uniting First Nations and Catholics against the government; of course they're trying to drive a wedge between the two. They want everyone fighting each other, instead of fighting them.
Further:
This article says nothing about how the graves were found or what evidence suggests they were related to residential schools. The entire crux of these claims of "mass graves" is that they found bodies using ground penetrating radar (which is extremely fallible), but have yet to physically confirm a single body.
These churches are hundreds of years old, in some cases. Is it not reasonable to expect there to be many graves in their cemetaries whose tombstones were removed or were made of wood? What links these graves, if they are actually real, to Residential Schools?
I have no problem beleiving that the federal government and these churches perpetrated heinous abuses, up to and including hiding deaths, but I'm not going to go out and burn a church down without seeing evidence (especially when groups making these claims are also asking for millions of dollars).
This. So true. As soon as those articles were surging across the world about how mean cmaada is about brown people, I reviewed the articles and there was no proof about any of their claims. They took the most circumstantial claims, ran with them as though they were fact to pillory the west.
Why didn't they do that with the Maui accusations about the elite? Or the vaccine claims?
I'm so tired of explaining this to people but luckily even the common normie that took the vaxx understands this is leftist BS.
So true. They censored everything about the vaccine and people think these headlines are real, unbiased.
Try to use some logic, you govt shill. You think I don't recognize you? Did they blast countless articles across Canada and the world with the vaccine awareness points, as though those points were factual?? No in fact, they fact checked and hide and deplatformed everything that real scientists were saying.
This 'christians and whites are evil psychopathic mass murderers of brown people' is exactly the govt narrative that they want to push.
They are attacking western civ, whites, Christians and taking them out. Especially their biggest adversary, catholics/Christians.
All this stuff is BS if you had the slightest idea of history, biology and living without modern conveniences.
Many/most people died as children. The natuves happy threw whites their kids during tough times. Indians had horrific slavery and torture murder amongst themselves. Have you researched in why they were seen as savages?
Do you know how easy it is to die in the country? You get a cut, you can die, you get cold you can die. You get dizzy by yourself and fall, you can die. You get attacked by a bear you can die. Where did the food come from that fed these kids until they alledgely killed them? White people.
If these graves really did exist and really did contain kids. These were poor diseased starving kids that no one else cared about and they would have died anyway. They got what little care there was in the frontier. I don't think you understand how difficult life is when you barely have water and food security. You spend all day getting water and food. Plus, they could have been used as cemeteries. Do you know how many centuries there are in the countryside? How many buried bodies?
This is what happens when modernists leftists try to understand frontier life hundreds of years ago.
I think the time period was killer. Real killer. I don't think the church/school had bad intentions. Individuals perhaps are always corrupted and corruptible and can cause harm.
The time period TB was rampant, no real cure, multi millions dead, flu, so much flu then, then influenza, and then TB. Pecilin hadn't been invented yet. Late 1930s. After WW2 things cleaned up. Progressing. But it wasn't until when, like the 70s, graves disappeared from any public buildings, prisons, hospitals, schools, asylums. Corporal punishment didn't disappear from Christian public schools until the like 90s.
If you can imagine the damp mold and rot, in dank asbestos buildings. Where bathes until the 60s still were heated on stoves. Kids full of cooties. The staff were your doctors, teachers, parents. Undoubtedly they died. Like every fucking white kid then as well. Oh they died too. But oh no. It's this other dumb fucking narrative. Like it brings them back. Like it changes anything. When did white kids have to go to school. 80s? When did they stop being able to work and apprentice often as young as 12, after WW2, 60s?
Sick of modern bullshit today. It's what happens when insane cunts, today, more money then brains and no common sense, think, life, was the same back then. Their brains are completely fucking scrambled, and they are the byproducts of government positions appointed to be total fucking nounces, with nothing better to do than usurp history into stupid little narratives as they go around policing society with their absurdity. Jettison them into Sentinel Island.
It makes exactly no difference to the rest of the globe. It just makes Canada look fucking stupid. When isn't Canada stupid, like Australia. Totally fucking stupid. The opposite of common sense. The West isn't making any sense today. None. It has become a great big sponge. A great big sponge.
But there's this notion by those freaks above, and in your comment, that once they're on the net as its censors and rights groups to behave in your comment. Literal madness. Make white people pay for what exactly. It has become a theme across the West, it won't solve anything. It simply fans it.
The house that crumbles. Crumbling. It has become a modern cancer. There is more funding in attacking white people, propagated by every hostile actor, and every rights group trying to get paid, then there ever is teaching anything else. Integration is simply about policing society, so its wealthiest get paid their rent. It hasn't bought much. Services strained to shit. Inflation so high. Cost of living the highest in centuries.
What has it bought. A dumb fucking gadget telling you what? A dumb fucking gadget killing you with its constant stream of feces and more dystopia. It cares about everybody else so it can sponge more and more. Providing nothing but a constant stream of another dumb fucking moron telling you bullshit, and it costing so much more. The most in history. Bullshit that has no future today. No future today, the planet is dying but buy your dumb fucking gadgets. It'll fix it. Your dumb fucking Internet with another dumbass nounce on it, telling you to make white people pay and they're to blame for a bunch of sponges. Even its actors have turned sponge. all it does is keep causing more and more bullshit. It hasn't solved anything. Canada isn't that nation today. It's a disaster.
I applaud the effort post first and foremost, I would just raise a couple points:
Using the numbers you’ve provided:
~150,000 children went through the system over ~100 years, with ~4,000 dying while in the care of the system. This means approximately 2.7% of the indigenous children in the care of the RSS died.
Now, I would ask, in order to get an accurate assessment of reality, what were the rates of childhood/adolescent mortality during this same 100 year period of those children not in the RSS? I think you’ll find that mortality across the board was higher during this period. Proper sanitation and hygiene were only just being implemented during a large portion of those years.
From 1900-1950 the adolescent (5-9 yrs) death rate fell 90% for ALL AMERICANS down to only 62 per 100,000 meaning in 1900 it was ~620 per 100,000 or 0.6%. So we see some clear difference between the groups, but not much. Could that difference be explained by living in generally harsher, more remote places, less able to access medicine and other technologies which are revolutionizing lifespans?
https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.79.7.899
Does that really sound like genocide? Or does it sound like something else? I think the main reason for pushback is because people are being accused of genocide, and don’t feel that’s an accurate picture of history.
This, exactly. Modernists don't even understand how low that is because they can't understand how difficult life was without modern civilization, guaranteed fresh water, food, and medical care and protection from the elements, indoor heating, protection from animals.