I agree that 4 quarters make a dollar. How did they make the dollar knowing that it could be made out of 4 quarters? Dollar sixers can't deny this! Silly one sixers! You can't cut a dollar into six pieces!
Anyways, to answer your Question, the planet we exist on is a sphere and not round. The Area called earth we reside in is a round plane upon that planet. So yes, I agree with you that the earth is round, but the planet Earth is a sphere.
See how you don't even know what it is you are saying? You don't know what the word round means, you don't know what the word earth means.
Now, how about you copy paste this 'formula' you keep eluding to, yet never using to support your 'arguments'.
Edit: I'm currently imagining you scrambling about the internet, searching for this great unifying "sky formula" that you have imaged, that makes it so we can't observer stars if we are standing on a flat surface. Can't wait to see what you post! The anticipation is palatable!
What do you mean "they"? You said they've been doing the calculations for hundreds of years, but then you claim that they did the calculations when they though the earth was flat. The Catholic Church taught that the earth was a globe and that is who controlled Europe for 1,000 years. When exactly are you claiming people believed the earth was flat? As far as I am aware the only people that believed that the earth was flat a couple hundred years ago were the jews because it is part of their religion.
And yet just 20 years ago all the history books said they thought the earth was flat. Weird how the phycho leftards changed all that history in the last 20 years
Many people are encouraged to have your misunderstanding.
Consider the geocentric model. It exists, and does all the things you are lauding above. Does that prove the world is the center of the universe?
Of course not, and for the exact same reasons.
Predicting the motion of the lights in the sky comes from charts and the fact that the patterns are cyclical/repeating. It doesn't in any way depend on the conception of the shape of the world.
It's just an analogy to help you understand why your position is silly. Sadly it didn't help :(
Fundamentally, our belief of the world and its workings has no bearing on that world - including when there is ostensible "predictive" "power".
The reason we can know when the sun will rise and set is because it has happened before, and is reliably periodic. Not because the world is any particular shape.
Then show how you determine sunrise and sunset without a formula that requires a round Earth
You're not listening. They're called charts. Look them up, or don't.
You won't because you can't
You are just not understanding me. You believe that because such formula exist and are useful that proves that the world must be spherical. This is exactly as wrong, and for the exact same reasons, as believing that because the geocentric model (and its equations) exists and is useful that the earth is proven to be the center of the universe. Hopefully you will understand my analogy a little better now.
Eratosthenes figured this out ~150 BC by measuring shadow length and distance between two points on a round earth - It took the internet to make people stupid.
Eratosthenes never figured anything out regarding the shape of the world. He was taught from childhood, as we all are today, that the earth is spherical and never doubted this teaching nor sought to validate/prove it.
In fact, his procedure and calculation require that the earth be spherical (and many further unvalidated assumptions) in order to be meaningful at all.
He calculated the size of the world assuming it was spherical (with many other assumptions besides).
The Flat Earth Sun & Moon Clock shows where the sun and moon are across the face of the earth as shown on the AE map. See where your day & night are, position and phase of the moon as the sun laps it every 28 days. Track the seasons as the sun travels between the Tropic of Capricorn and the Tropic of Cancer.
You can do this! Find me a modern Celestial Globe that maps the current known stars, from our well studied modern Astronomical star charts to a globe! You have thousands of years of science on your side! Get her dun!
With a round Earth, we are able to perfectly predict the time of sunrise, sunset and the movement of the stars and planets.
We've been able to do that for millennia (at least). It has nothing to do with the believed shape of the earth. It has to do with watching the lights in the sky, recording them, and noticing the cyclical pattern. The shape of the world isn't involved, as much as you may want it to be.
The formula to calculate sunrise and sunset in a location requires the earth to be round.
So you believe. But the earth does it what it does, and the sun rises at the time it does irrespective of that belief.
The movement of the lights in the sky are cyclical/periodic. All you need are charts.
If it isn't round, how can the formula be accurate?
Lol, because the formula are built from (and in accordance with) the real observations. You are conflating useful with correct. They are not the same, and this is a common (i would say. encouraged) mistake.
Many facts are wrong/untrue. Facts are merely what your authority tells you are facts. You believe it is a fact (i.e. true).
However, your "proof" is circular.
Premise : The world is a sphere because equations which include its sphericity work to predict sunrise/sunset times.
Conclusion : The equations work because the world is spherical.
The premise IS the conclusion, and does not follow from it. It's circular logic.
If the Earth is flat, why does the formula work?
Because we built it to! It coincides with the actual measurements that we made of the sunset/sunrise times because it was built from / confirmed against such charts.
Our conception of the world and its workings can be (and most often are) entirely wrong and still be useful.
Why can you not produce these "charts" that you claim exist
I won't because i don't do people's homework for them - it makes them worse students/researchers. If you earnestly search for such charts and fail to find them, then we can talk about what you tried and i will do my utmost to help you. Finding charts of the sunrise and sunset times should not be difficult.
Charts do not require the world to be any particular shape, just like the times for sunrise and sunset within them. They simply are.
The point of this thread is that you believe the earth has to be the center of the universe, because the equations which describe it that way work to predict all the things you praised in the post title.
Do you finally understand the analogy, or will you keep obstinately refusing (to vainly shelter your pride and dogmas)?
Lol, you don't need a formula. You need a chart. Most (if not all) of the ancient civilizations had such charts (many built them into their buildings - archeoastronomy).
One of the earliest known examples of a "formula" based mechanism was the antikythera device.
I'm looking forward to hearing your excuse for not answering this question.
Always prepare to be disappointed. We all know what happens when you assume....
You can't find charts of sunrise and sunset times? Where have you looked?
The formula requires Earth to be round
This is your mistake. It is akin to saying the geocentric formula(s) require the earth to be the center of the universe. I hope you are beginning to understand my analogy.
Just because you couldn't be bothered to do one google search for sunset/sunrise charts - they don't exist and/or are "made up"? Some research ethic you have :(
They've been doing this for hundreds of years. In fact they came uo with the exact calculations when they thought the earth was flat 🤔🤔🤔
I saw a similar post earlier on Reddit, claiming that Flat Eathers can not explain the existence of time zones. Similar low quality, low effort and lack of logic.
Is this some sort of controlled opposition push?
I'm having trouble fathoming the amount of stupidity that I am reading today.
How do you explain the the formula that accurately predicts sunrise and sunset requires the Earth to be round?
Why does a pie make 8 pieces?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4yBvvGi_2A
Because that's how you cut it. Math!
Do you agree that the earth is round?
I agree that 4 quarters make a dollar. How did they make the dollar knowing that it could be made out of 4 quarters? Dollar sixers can't deny this! Silly one sixers! You can't cut a dollar into six pieces!
Anyways, to answer your Question, the planet we exist on is a sphere and not round. The Area called earth we reside in is a round plane upon that planet. So yes, I agree with you that the earth is round, but the planet Earth is a sphere.
See how you don't even know what it is you are saying? You don't know what the word round means, you don't know what the word earth means.
Now, how about you copy paste this 'formula' you keep eluding to, yet never using to support your 'arguments'.
Edit: I'm currently imagining you scrambling about the internet, searching for this great unifying "sky formula" that you have imaged, that makes it so we can't observer stars if we are standing on a flat surface. Can't wait to see what you post! The anticipation is palatable!
exactly! it's so obvious that the earth is FUCKING ROUND
What do you mean "they"? You said they've been doing the calculations for hundreds of years, but then you claim that they did the calculations when they though the earth was flat. The Catholic Church taught that the earth was a globe and that is who controlled Europe for 1,000 years. When exactly are you claiming people believed the earth was flat? As far as I am aware the only people that believed that the earth was flat a couple hundred years ago were the jews because it is part of their religion.
Black people. 😅
And yet just 20 years ago all the history books said they thought the earth was flat. Weird how the phycho leftards changed all that history in the last 20 years
Can you quote a few of these books?
Prediction: you wont be ause this claim is false.
Bullshit
Many people are encouraged to have your misunderstanding.
Consider the geocentric model. It exists, and does all the things you are lauding above. Does that prove the world is the center of the universe?
Of course not, and for the exact same reasons.
Predicting the motion of the lights in the sky comes from charts and the fact that the patterns are cyclical/repeating. It doesn't in any way depend on the conception of the shape of the world.
You are confusing round hear with heliocentrism
It's just an analogy to help you understand why your position is silly. Sadly it didn't help :(
Fundamentally, our belief of the world and its workings has no bearing on that world - including when there is ostensible "predictive" "power".
The reason we can know when the sun will rise and set is because it has happened before, and is reliably periodic. Not because the world is any particular shape.
Then show how you determine sunrise and sunset without a formula that requires a round Earth. Demonstrate that you are right. Should be easy.
You won't because you can't.
You're not listening. They're called charts. Look them up, or don't.
You are just not understanding me. You believe that because such formula exist and are useful that proves that the world must be spherical. This is exactly as wrong, and for the exact same reasons, as believing that because the geocentric model (and its equations) exists and is useful that the earth is proven to be the center of the universe. Hopefully you will understand my analogy a little better now.
Thank you for proving the point of this thread.
Flat Earthers are just so predictable
Eratosthenes figured this out ~150 BC by measuring shadow length and distance between two points on a round earth - It took the internet to make people stupid.
This is incorrect, but popularly advertised.
Eratosthenes never figured anything out regarding the shape of the world. He was taught from childhood, as we all are today, that the earth is spherical and never doubted this teaching nor sought to validate/prove it.
In fact, his procedure and calculation require that the earth be spherical (and many further unvalidated assumptions) in order to be meaningful at all.
He calculated the size of the world assuming it was spherical (with many other assumptions besides).
So what did he measure if not the circumference?
This is much like the question you asked regarding the procedure you supplied that you thought measured the curvature of water when it didn't.
What eratosthenes (his slave, actually), apocryphally, measured was the angle/length of shadows. Obviously.
What he calculated was the circumference of the world IF it was spherical, sunlight rays are always parallel, and a few other unvalidated assumptions.
If the world is not spherical and/or any of the other underlying assumptions were wrong then what he calculated was just nonsense.
It's turtles all the way down.
Shalom, let's discuss this stupid subject again, goyim!
He supports Nazis. Right there tells you that the Ashkenazi really are the Nazis.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flatearthsun&pli=1
The Flat Earth Sun & Moon Clock shows where the sun and moon are across the face of the earth as shown on the AE map. See where your day & night are, position and phase of the moon as the sun laps it every 28 days. Track the seasons as the sun travels between the Tropic of Capricorn and the Tropic of Cancer.
I'm not paying for that. Do you have some documentation about it?
You can do this! Find me a modern Celestial Globe that maps the current known stars, from our well studied modern Astronomical star charts to a globe! You have thousands of years of science on your side! Get her dun!
https://replogleglobes.com/blog/the-astronomical-cartography-star-charts-and-celestial-globes/
Let me be clear. You don't have to make one! You just need to fucking find one! Just one!
Do it!
https://www.google.com
None of these things show times of sunset and sunrise. Did you even read the article?
You remain a liar.
Are you retarded?
We've been able to do that for millennia (at least). It has nothing to do with the believed shape of the earth. It has to do with watching the lights in the sky, recording them, and noticing the cyclical pattern. The shape of the world isn't involved, as much as you may want it to be.
The formula to calculate sunrise and sunset in a location requires the earth to be round.
If it isn't round, how can the formula be accurate?
So you believe. But the earth does it what it does, and the sun rises at the time it does irrespective of that belief.
The movement of the lights in the sky are cyclical/periodic. All you need are charts.
Lol, because the formula are built from (and in accordance with) the real observations. You are conflating useful with correct. They are not the same, and this is a common (i would say. encouraged) mistake.
It's a fact.
Fortunately, you can test it yourself.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunrise_equation
Show those charts.
If it's cyclic then there must be a formula to calculate it. Do you know a formula that does not require a round earth?
Correct, and the observation is that the Earth is round and rotates 15 degrees per hour. Without that part, the formula doesn't work.
If the Earth is flat, why does the formula work?
Why can you not produce these "charts" that you claim exist or a formula that doesn't require the Earth to be round?
Many facts are wrong/untrue. Facts are merely what your authority tells you are facts. You believe it is a fact (i.e. true).
However, your "proof" is circular.
Premise : The world is a sphere because equations which include its sphericity work to predict sunrise/sunset times.
Conclusion : The equations work because the world is spherical.
The premise IS the conclusion, and does not follow from it. It's circular logic.
Because we built it to! It coincides with the actual measurements that we made of the sunset/sunrise times because it was built from / confirmed against such charts.
Our conception of the world and its workings can be (and most often are) entirely wrong and still be useful.
I won't because i don't do people's homework for them - it makes them worse students/researchers. If you earnestly search for such charts and fail to find them, then we can talk about what you tried and i will do my utmost to help you. Finding charts of the sunrise and sunset times should not be difficult.
Charts do not require the world to be any particular shape, just like the times for sunrise and sunset within them. They simply are.
Thank you for proving the point of this thread
The point of this thread is that you believe the earth has to be the center of the universe, because the equations which describe it that way work to predict all the things you praised in the post title.
Do you finally understand the analogy, or will you keep obstinately refusing (to vainly shelter your pride and dogmas)?
Show it, don' t just claim it.
You won't because you can', just like all the other Flat Earthers.
All you have is claims without evidence.
Who did it and what formula did they use?
I'm looking forward to hearing your excuse for not answering this question.
Lol, you don't need a formula. You need a chart. Most (if not all) of the ancient civilizations had such charts (many built them into their buildings - archeoastronomy).
One of the earliest known examples of a "formula" based mechanism was the antikythera device.
Always prepare to be disappointed. We all know what happens when you assume....
Cool story.
Show those charts.You won't.
The formula requires Earth to be round. Why does it work?
You can't find charts of sunrise and sunset times? Where have you looked?
This is your mistake. It is akin to saying the geocentric formula(s) require the earth to be the center of the universe. I hope you are beginning to understand my analogy.
As predicted, you cannot substantiate your claims.
No surprise, because they are completely made up.
Thank you for proving the point of this thread.
Just because you couldn't be bothered to do one google search for sunset/sunrise charts - they don't exist and/or are "made up"? Some research ethic you have :(
Try harder, if you can.
These charts do not exist. You lie about their existence.
The stars' positions are calculated by supercomputers and projected like the Bat Signal onto a black canvas over the sky?
Is the theory that the universe has round planets, but our particular living space is flat? Like Halo or something? It's an iLlUsIoN.
What does any of that mean?
I have no idea. I tried to be a flat Earther and it came out as nonsense.
Stars and Planets are balloons