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Another fact that breaks the flat Earthers' minds: With a round Earth, we are able to perfectly predict the time of sunrise, sunset and the movement of the stars and planets. Flat Earthers cannot do any of this.
posted 2 years ago by Eisenhorn 2 years ago by Eisenhorn +9 / -10

Flat Earth can predict and calculate nothing.

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– jack445566778899 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

With a round Earth, we are able to perfectly predict the time of sunrise, sunset and the movement of the stars and planets.

We've been able to do that for millennia (at least). It has nothing to do with the believed shape of the earth. It has to do with watching the lights in the sky, recording them, and noticing the cyclical pattern. The shape of the world isn't involved, as much as you may want it to be.

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– Eisenhorn [S] 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

The formula to calculate sunrise and sunset in a location requires the earth to be round.

If it isn't round, how can the formula be accurate?

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– jack445566778899 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

The formula to calculate sunrise and sunset in a location requires the earth to be round.

So you believe. But the earth does it what it does, and the sun rises at the time it does irrespective of that belief.

The movement of the lights in the sky are cyclical/periodic. All you need are charts.

If it isn't round, how can the formula be accurate?

Lol, because the formula are built from (and in accordance with) the real observations. You are conflating useful with correct. They are not the same, and this is a common (i would say. encouraged) mistake.

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– Eisenhorn [S] -1 points 2 years ago +1 / -2

So you believe

It's a fact.

Fortunately, you can test it yourself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunrise_equation

All you need are charts.

Show those charts.

If it's cyclic then there must be a formula to calculate it. Do you know a formula that does not require a round earth?

because the formula are built from (and in accordance with) the real observations

Correct, and the observation is that the Earth is round and rotates 15 degrees per hour. Without that part, the formula doesn't work.

If the Earth is flat, why does the formula work?

Why can you not produce these "charts" that you claim exist or a formula that doesn't require the Earth to be round?

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– jack445566778899 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

It's a fact.

Many facts are wrong/untrue. Facts are merely what your authority tells you are facts. You believe it is a fact (i.e. true).

However, your "proof" is circular.

Premise : The world is a sphere because equations which include its sphericity work to predict sunrise/sunset times.
Conclusion : The equations work because the world is spherical.

The premise IS the conclusion, and does not follow from it. It's circular logic.

If the Earth is flat, why does the formula work?

Because we built it to! It coincides with the actual measurements that we made of the sunset/sunrise times because it was built from / confirmed against such charts.

Our conception of the world and its workings can be (and most often are) entirely wrong and still be useful.

Why can you not produce these "charts" that you claim exist

I won't because i don't do people's homework for them - it makes them worse students/researchers. If you earnestly search for such charts and fail to find them, then we can talk about what you tried and i will do my utmost to help you. Finding charts of the sunrise and sunset times should not be difficult.

Charts do not require the world to be any particular shape, just like the times for sunrise and sunset within them. They simply are.

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– Eisenhorn [S] -1 points 2 years ago +1 / -2

We've been able to do that for millennia (at least).

Who did it and what formula did they use?

I'm looking forward to hearing your excuse for not answering this question.

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– jack445566778899 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

Who did it and what formula did they use?

Lol, you don't need a formula. You need a chart. Most (if not all) of the ancient civilizations had such charts (many built them into their buildings - archeoastronomy).

One of the earliest known examples of a "formula" based mechanism was the antikythera device.

I'm looking forward to hearing your excuse for not answering this question.

Always prepare to be disappointed. We all know what happens when you assume....

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– Eisenhorn [S] -1 points 2 years ago +1 / -2

Cool story.

Show those charts.You won't.

The formula requires Earth to be round. Why does it work?

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– jack445566778899 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Show those charts

You can't find charts of sunrise and sunset times? Where have you looked?

The formula requires Earth to be round

This is your mistake. It is akin to saying the geocentric formula(s) require the earth to be the center of the universe. I hope you are beginning to understand my analogy.

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