something i want to talk about is our historical timeline. world history is based off of European history. European history is based off the history of ancient Greece and rome. our history was written by one man in the 1600s, at this time we were using the bible as a credible source, meaning certain events and people (great fire of rome, Nero, rome vs Judea, the exodus, ect) were dated using the bible or biblical timeline as a reference point. this was done with the old testament as well as the new testament.
so essentially biblical history and real world history are tied together at the hip. they reinforce each other.
in the middle ages the entity that ruled Europe was the roman catholic church. the papacy ran the show. did you know that the popes created European nobility. its called The divine right to rule.
when a new king was crowned, or a nation went thru "Christianization" they had to travel to rome or Constantinople to get approved. From there he had to remain a catholic nation or convert. allow monasteries and cathedrals to be built. They also had to pay the papacy a "tribute" and make there people partake in the pilgrimage.
if they did that, they were giving the divine right to rule from the pope. who is the head of there religion. See the Vatican had a interesting system. the pope had all the power, more power then any king. BUT he wasn't allowed to pass the title on, nor any assesets. rich Italian noble families chose the pope from amongst themselves. they would essentially take turns at the reigns. the money stayed with the church, no one person.
think of em like the worlds first corporation. The CEO or pope has power in while in charge but he really answers to the board (people who voted him in). The product they sold was basically culture with a built in religion.
they would establish a social hiarcy, and turn the feudal tribes into a nation with one king appointed but there religious god. once a nation was signed up the papacy would start establishing educational institutes thru the monasteries. If you wanted an actual education you had to go thru the church, then get accepted in an order. if not you were a illiterate peasant or a meat shield on the battle field.
the only people who could read or write learnt from the papacy.
So the problem related to history, see the papacy is NOTORIOUS for forgery. Whenever a argument need to be resolved, the chruch had a rule similar to caselaw. they would go thru records for decision making. the older the document the better. This would cause a huge problem where corrupt popes continually forged older and older documents to get the papal bulls passed, potentially artificially extending the churches timeline. this would have bleed into our historical timeline because the two are so intertwined.
do you know what else is intertwined with catholic history? Islam and Judaisms history. The only reason Israel is a thing, is because of the Roman Catholic Chruch. Mohammad claimed decent from Abraham, a biblical patriarch.
There are many independent alt historians coming to the same conclusion. We have a massive chunk of Europe history that is all mirrored events. meaning purposefully or by accident, we have several hundreds of years worth of fake history shoe horned into our actual timeline.
This new alternative timeline that is manifesting itself is quite radical. all the years of history between 100ad all the way to the mid 1400s needs to be scraped. Rome never fell, ancient Greece was in the middle ages and lead right into the renaissance. the fall of rome, the hun invasion, the dark ages, the viking age, the first 3 crusades, the first black plague, the early spread of Islam, the majority of Egyptian history, all never happened.
The decedents of the Khans seem to have started Islam in the 1300s when they migrated south out of Grand Tartary into the different "stan" countries and the middle east, asia durring the on set of the little ice age. they were the first to cover there woman and did whole nation conversions to islam at this time.
the religious aspect of this has got my attention, cus if history is fake then so is the history of our religions.
IMO Jews have no credible history. during the years 100ad-900ad there were around 5-10k jews anywhere in the whole world? and all of a sudden 900ad, some Mongolian nation converts all 100 000 people to Judaism creating the Ashkenazi which then make up 80-95% of all jews. It doesn't make sense, i don't buy there biblical historical claims of a dispersal across Europe and i don't really buy this random khazar conversion in 900adish. I think they all came from the same place and it wasn't the middle east. Maybe little Tartary. im basing this off yiddish (german hebrew) and the shear amount of German Russian jews.
the timeline aint right, did you also know that the tulmud was complied in 12th century, the kabbla 13th century.
the relation between Catholicism and jews is weird also. They need eachother. you could not have one without the other. some people think that jews created Catholicism.. i think it may be the other way around.
i think they were gifted a position within the roman hierarchy
the papacy has held more influence and power then jews all throughout history. jews actually worked for the church. they were moved into christen nations in segregated communities for the sole purpose of money lending. Catholicism outlawed money lending, everyone had to be catholic and no catholic could lend money at interest. the papacy moved jews in to fill this void. but to even function JEWS had to PAY the POPE
Jews worked for the church.. mhm
anyway im just ranting at this point. thoughts?
There's a Russian guy who wrote an awesome book(s) that was translated into English. He has some cool theories.
Femenko I believe is the last name.
Fomenko
You can stop right here. That's nonsense.
No you should actually research it. It has added ontop of its insertion, since. Two historians rewrote chunks of it after another Christian civil war lasting one hundred years, the reformation, it's in the title, where it burnt the books. It reformed. Then we had an authority. The ages. Stone, Bronze, Iron. A start point for civilization. Prior there was none of that. At all.
Like it did when it inserted itself. It burnt the books. Conjuring a fake timeline. The common era. Do you really think people gave a shit? It's a fake insertion. Like Christ's birthday and death day. Where it inserted baloney. It's ludicrous if you think about it. It didn't even start on the millennium. It was whatever they said it was. Christianity civil warred for 100s of years when it became a religion over the version of Christ. It sacked Alexanderia again. Like Rome had done with Caesar, and sacked it again on his death. Christianity emerges, burns Rome. Then we have a holy Roman emperor and they go and sack Alexandria again. Then it's the crusades. It goes and kills the crusaders. Templars. Creates an inquisition in Spain to remove any Moors. It floods into MesoAmerica creating an inquisition and totally rewrites their language and history to the point they had almost none.
Where else did it do this I wonder, and recently, and previously. But never-mind.
When it came to shit like the Sundisk taken from Egypt, it argued for 100 years before deciding meh the Roman records. Basically forgive the name, was taken from a temple in Thebes or otherwise by Napoleon. It showed constellations in our sky aligning under Egypt, that couldn't exist at the assumed date because they're far older. That alignment has moved, in the thousands and thousands of years. But Rome had no record, according to its ages, and its invention of iron. So it couldn't be that old.
I'm glad someone else has looked at our chronology critically.
Not quite, but it's a mess. A mess of anomalies. Fit into a stupid concentric narrative that makes no sense. Apart from it dictating history.
Obviously the perks are we have time and zones, dates, and a calendar. Since the common era. A system that does benefit from it. How it formed is none other than conspiracy, inquisition, dystopia, and a brutality to all who refused to adopt it.
But we have other notions of real stupidity as a result of its system. The stupid dating prior to its insertion, the conspiracy of its insertion, and this retarded notion Rome invented everything else like Iron. Where any dating ignores all other record as Neanderthals. When in fact there was no start date to our species if we evolved. It is much older where if it had flint for millions of years. 2 million? Why was it so hard find iron and concrete? Honk. They're monkeys that's why. But let's ignore its own cataclysm and god.
if your into cataclysm i recommend this book highly. https://files.catbox.moe/0sz3vs.pdf the researchers base there work on mainstream timeline of sorts, but if you put that aside its filled with really good info
Thank you for the link.
I am in the obvious mindset we are much older than the Roman timelines. Advanced no I couldn't say. But metal, pyramids, concrete, possibly more, who knows. However an existential reset occurred. We are its evolution. Another cycle before the Planet repeats its aging, exhaling its imperfections through its seasons, conflicts, and survival.
Dinosaurs are an abomination. Not scientific, just a monster because monsters sell. Another means of exploitation for their obvious revenue. But there has been countless extinctions, but dinos are by large, utter bullshit, and I discount out of Africa entirely.
Do our poles flip. I think there is more to it, an impact, or our Sun, and cosmos. Aliens, E.Ts, I have yet to believe in.
our history of metallurgy was probably the first thing really got my attention. the bronze issue makes no sense. we need tin to make bronze but tin wasn't discovered till much later.
The dinosaur issues really clouds all this up, i agree with you on that one, its all horseshit. Basically all of archaic history cant really be trusted imo.
it seems that a reset of some sorts definitely happened. when exactly im not sure, but i starting feel it might have been more recent then most think.
I linked the Tayos metal library on another thread? So while Europeans were fucking monkeys. Thousands of years ago, cataclysm, that story goes, ziggurat buried deeper. South America, impossibly, bronze tools, had its own language, similar to hieroglyphs, an alphabet that cannot even be deciphered, nothing to base it on, and decided clay tablets aren't as good as metal tablets. Throwing Roman Iron out the window. Tiwanaku had concrete.
Dinosaurs are the most stupid thing invented. They're completely baseless. Not the way look outside, it evolves in a natural ecosystem of checks and balances and symbiant lifeforms each having a role sustainable to their habitats. Somebody so opposed to it, so freaking callous to nature, conjured dysfunctional monsters to sell. They are absurd. Illogical. Delusional. Insane. A hoax. The first invented were a hoax.
I think there has been a few events throughout our planet's lifetime that has seen drastic change. Not long ago was 10-12k years ago.
I like the mudflood stuff but no. I think it's a bigger metaphor to what went wrong.
Who and what exactly are you talking about?
State names, dates and publications.
Why are you unable to make coherent statements?
a) how could solid (life) within liquid (inception towards death) influence cessation of motion (stop) without ignoring position?
b) "here" implies within momentum of motion...others suggest obstructionism (stop) to tempt one to ignore perceivable motion; hence obstructing self with ignorance when consenting to the -ism.
a) how could one perceive (sense) nothing (non)?
b) that is (that's) implies that something is, which contradicts that nothing (non) can be perceived (sensed).
i have come across some stuff that would indicate there is something to the whole Tartary thing, but im not completely convinced of the 19th century mudflood. IMO the reset was in the 1500s after some kinda of massive natural disaster in the late 1400s. volcanic winter, maybe something to do with the sun like a Carrington type of event. I dont know yet.
i gave up on modern cosmology along time ago, im not really sure what your point is
Just because the mudflood is promoted by people who share our view on cosmology doesn't mean there automatically right.
blindly following opinions that fit with your current understanding of the world is kinda why everyone is all over the place to begin with. its just bandwagoning
how critically have you looked into the mudflood? iv seen those stolen history docs on YouTube too and although they are compelling theres no real evidence presented of anything.
if there was a massive mudflood there would be evidence. someone would have wrote about it, i got tons of books from this period of time. nothing. Why arent there any Aboriginal tales of this mudflood? theres nothing, where are all the bodies that would have been covered? shouldn't all those layers of sediment be riddled with people who died during this event?
As concerns Anatoly Fomenko, his New Chronology, Biblical history, and the related Biblical timeline, one should be aware that in his book, "Tsar of the Slavs", Fomenko dates the Nativity to (what we now call) 1152 AD and the Crucifixion to 1185 AD. Sound loony right up until you read the compelling evidence for it.
As one can imagine, this throws a lot of the chronology into disarray. In a certain way, though, one can save a lot of time by disregarding the chronological work of researchers that are not aware of this foundation issue.
pretty interesting. i would humbly suggest taking a look at the work/writings of Immanuel Velikovsky regarding global catastrophes. he notes a bunch of good, solid geological anomalies that are most likely the result of global/very large regional "catastrophes"/events. some of what Velikovsky presents might provide clues to interpreting/re-interpreting the Abrahamic faiths and figuring out what we're not being told.
what alt-historians do you recommend? big fan of Robert Sepehir, m'self (though there's admittedly some family jewish connections that might be influencing RS' interpretations of history)
I would highly recommend A T Fomenko and Tristan Sylvain. Fomenko has something like 22 books out now about dating issues. wild stuff but makes a lot of sense in the end. also thanks for the suggestion, will check him out
these are great, thanks!!! lol, TFW a whole new set of youtube search terms maxxes out 4kVideoDownloader
a) catastrophe aka KATA (down) STREPHEIN (turn)
b) downward loss (inception towards death) generates momentum for upward growth (life).
c) being implies strophe (partial) within cata (whole)...others suggest the poem "catastrophe" to destroy partial by putting it back together within whole.
a) nature doesn't tell (to express in words)...it impresses sound (entire; whole) through each partial instrument.
b) others tell being pluralism (we); definitism (are) and nihilism (not) to distract from the aforementioned.
Josephus was a shill.
BIBLE (Greek; book)...a book; what's written within; whose writing and whose reading it...those all represent solid essence (particular nature) within liquid substance (whole nature).
His-story implies particulars narrated by suggestion and held together by consent of listener. The base thereof implies motion aka whole for partials; perceivable for suggestions and that which sets apart for those within to be able to put back together.
The source of cred; creed; belief; faith etc. implies ones consent by free will of choice to the suggestions by others. Ones given; others gain control over ones cred as their credit aka reputation derived from the confidence of others.
The source of anything solid can only be fluid, since fluid produces solid within the momentum of motion.
CERTAIN (assured in mind; affixed by consent) contradicts EVENT (to break forth; coming to be). The latter implies liquid; the former implies holding onto solid.
At beginning (inception) the outcome (death) for life is certain; because one exists within motion, hence caused (inception towards death) to be (life) aka being (living) within cause (process of dying).
Reference implies view towards suggested outcome, which tempts one to ignore ones ongoing life-sentence. Others suggest points to tempt sentence to ignore self, and thanks to ones lack of self discernment...it works like a charm.
Ones consent ties one to his suggested story, which tempts one to ignore that perceivable story; store; storage (momentum) implies motion. Being within momentum implies temporary access to perceivable moment through perceiving mind/memory. That's ones temporary access to an ongoing store.
"corp-ora-tion" aka dead speech uttered within action. Perceivable sound implies living language; suggested words imply dead language.
The word "corporation" represents corp (dead); suggesting it represents ora (uttering speech) and the motion in-between shaping and uttering implies tion (action).
This can all be discerned if one resists the suggested definition (affixed meaning) of words.
Ones consent to a suggested (sold) product implies Latin religio; to bind anew, hence buyer (consent) binding self to seller (suggestion). Doing so tempts one to ignore the producing base (perceivable) of the free produce (perception).
Nation (a people) implies each one person. Others suggest nationalism to tempt each consenting person into collectivism with others, hence part of suggested nation, rather than partial (person aka per sonos; by sound) within perceivable whole (sound; entire).
Example: israel is suggested as a jewish nation, yet Hebrew yisra'el - "he that striveth with God" implies each one (life) within strive (inception towards death).
a) Abraham (father of multitude) implies suggested collectivism...hence all those who consent being collectivized by a few who suggest it.
b) decent (becoming) implies coming (inception towards death) to be (life) through differentiation of whole into partials.
c) Muhammad (praise worthy) implies selling (praise) suggested values (worthy), which tempts one to ignore being evaluation (perception) within value (perceivable).
a) his-story represents a suggestion by another
b) true (want) or fake (not want) represents ones consent to a suggestion by another
c) true versus fake represents a conflict of reason shaped by ones consent to the suggestion of another.
d) reason (conflict) represents the inversion of implication (if/then).
If one resists suggested his-story; then one is free (will of choice) to utilize implication (if/then) within perceivable instead of reasoning (true vs false) about suggested.
If one resists suggested theism (the); nihilism (ain't) and reasoning (right vs wrong); then one can discern self (life) within line (inception towards death), and further discern between suggested time (past; present and future) and perceivable time; tempus; tempora (particular portion of whole duration), which implies particular portion (life) within whole duration (inception towards death) aka momentum of motion aka perceivable moment aka being "now"....never before; never after.
a) only if one ignores ones consent to suggested Catholicism and judaism, which permits a suggesting other in-between perceivable and ones perception.
b) WEIRD, adjective - "skilled in witchcraft" aka crafting WITCH, verb - "to enchant; enchantment". Suggested enchants ones consenting mind.
a) ones consent to a suggested gift positions another within ones mind/memory.
b) being implies center (perception) within surrounding (perceivable)...consenting to suggested puts others into center and self into surrounding circumference. Those others can then cut off the useless circumference (circumcision), while erecting center.
c) POSI (situated within) TION (action) implies reaction (life) situated within action (inception towards death).