Man and His Symbols by Carl Jung goes deep into this territory of 'reality as reflection of social consciousness.
Mythos defines logos in a similar manner.
String Theory is an attempt to convolute individual viewpoints (I am a unicorn if I believe I'm a unicorn (lower magic) as equal realities, when they are not. Chaos would (is) the result as planned.
Your take is very astute and is supported by literature in more than one tradition.
The descriptions have many facets/angles as well as left and right-brained explanations/examples.
All mythology contains symbology of the conscious and subconscious 'nous'.
I guess you could say it's as a deep a pool as one is able to or willing to swim, and the benefit depends on the diver expertise and expectations and the treasure sought.
If you want a left-hemispheric western breakdown showing the logos in it's proper relation to the concept of Harmony.
Mythos (suggested information) defines Logos (wanting vs not wanting suggested information aka the conflict of reason)...if consented to.
in a similar manner
Suggested similar (likeness) tempts one to ignore perceivable difference. To be "one" (partial within whole) implies being different from each other one, otherwise one couldn't discern self, nor perceive others.
an attempt to convolute individual viewpoints
Perceivable implies moving differences (need), suggested represents the temptation of collecting them (want), hence ones choice of want (suggested) over need (perceivable) convoluting ones individual viewpoint (perceiving perceivable through the lens of suggested).
are not
ARE, noun - "a measure"...the perceiving one (partial) can only measure within perceivable everything (whole)...others suggest "nothing" to tempt one to ignore perceivable (reality) for suggested (fiction).
Chaos is the result
Temporary chaos (life) represents the resistance within ongoing order (inception towards death); hence cause (process of dying) resulting in effect (living).
I'm sorry to hear your heart isn't in it and that you are feeling down :/
It would be interesting if you shared more about Mormonism. I think there are some positive aspects of it - aren't all Mormons supposed to be preppers and live clean without coffee? They are also very well represented in the alphabet agencies.
You might want to check out qigong or wim hof breathing and meditation. It would be amazing to find a group class for learning qigong. I have always lived to far away from any classes. Even if you just commit to a few months of practice to sea how you feel and learn from it ... It is probably one of the best energy works available. Also, it is fantastic for elderly in your life because you are using your brain to visualize plus having to learn body movements. A great brain workout.
Or you could try the wim hof breathing. I had never been able to go into real meditation until I used the hyper-oxygenation breathing which also raised the dmt levels. From the breathing and holds I immediately threw myself into a meditation. It started working really well and after a few months of doing practice, I could easily meditate for 3 hours. It was a really good feeling and experience. I hated to come out but unfortunately I was around a controlling and paranoid guy so I had to sneak in my spiritual and energy practices into early morning etc.
believe this is one of the things to come out of all the psychological experiments the CIA did (MK Ultra etc).
Agreed, or atleast, MKUltra spread this information (since realistically this pattern has been used for a long time, even prior to the formation of america)
I think the key point is Trauma-based mindkontrol/brainwashing. In an individual you can cause the trauma by torturing them physically, and psychologically, and pharmacologically (the LSD experiments), and even spiritually.
Where it gets even crazier is when you see this effect on the collective consciousness. Every false flag perpetuates this state of fear and trauma - from the Pearl Harbor FF, to the JFK/RFK false flags, to 9/11, to coofvid 19, and on to the next one.
You could even paint much of the “hellfire preaching” of the past in a similar light of trauma-induced mind control.
Regression physically seals off parts of the brain from communicating with the rest.
Luckily I think a majority deal with it ok, but it's a pretty horrendous thing to do to a child. People are brainwashed to do it without thinking, that's all really. An iota of thought into it, you should be like, that's nasty. The Jewish version is extra nasty.
and now that you mention it, i can see a fair bit of overlap between the ancient “Mystery Schools” (which have their earliest recorded appearance in Egypt but could [and likely do] date even earlier) and MKUltra, namely the use of psychedelics under circumstances that are controlled and directed by someone else for “initiation”, use of symbolism as some kind of “mental code” which can be triggered or lie dormant, crazy amounts of secrecy and gradations of knowledge/initiation “lest the rabble discover our designs”, probably others too... very interesting indeed!
Yknow, somehow even after a decade+ of general interest and seeking, I’ve never done a dive into Mystery Babylon and Bill Cooper (despite its obviously massive influence on the “conspiracy” discussion). I remember once finding a (massive) archive of all his radio broadcasts, but do you have anything that’s like an overview of his research or maybe a documentary or something? It’s just a little daunting to dive into some 400(?) hour experience, which is probably why I’ve put it off so long lol.
Oh, and I didn't read the end of your earlier comment.
"Hellfire preaching"
I'm friend with a cool dude on Reddit that is an evangelical, and believes the Bible is 66 books only, and he kinda scoffed at my Bible (The New American Bible), which I got at my Catholic high school.
I like my Bible...it has the original words in the footnotes if there's scholarly argument about them, and has nifty cross-referencing and stuff like that.
Anyhow, point is that my Bible has such mild wording compared to the KJV. It is night and day in some regards.
I ALWAYS go to my Bible to check verses, because I haven't even seen the exact same translations online, even on Biblegateway and such that have all the different versions.
Sometimes...I even think that differing interpretations of a word or phrase between versions can both be true...almost like having multiple definitions or being double entendres.
Or like how Hebrew words lack vowels and there's similarty between words sharing the same consonants. Something along those lines...
Which is good, because r*ddit has been unusable for me for the last 4-5 years.
But yeah, there really is so much there, so it’s so disingenuous of some (atheists) to dismiss it out of hand, and to a lesser extent the dogmatists who dismiss everything but their interpretations. It’s one thing to believe strongly in what you’ve come to think to be true - that’s a great thing - but it’s another thing entirely to close yourself off to everything else because more often than not you’ll miss out on even greater truths
Some of these older posts might be interesting to you:
Many or most will dismiss offhand mythology, astrology, the idea of gods, demigods, etc.
I find it hard to believe that that stuff is meaningless.
Ya know, someone just linked me to the wiki for Eliphas Levi of Baphomet fame.
Here's an interesting quote...
Eliphas Levi cautioned: "The operations of [magic] science are not devoid of danger. Their result may be madness for those who are not established on the base of the supreme, absolute, and infallible reason. They may over-excite the nervous system, producing terrible and incurable diseases."[30] "Let those, therefore, who seek in magic the means to satisfy their passions, pause in that deadly path, where they will find nothing but death or madness. This is the significance of the vulgar tradition that the devil finished sooner or later by strangling the sorcerers."
I've browsed occult on reddit for years, and there is a modicum of "sorcerers" that make sure to invoke God first before doing anything....you know...the "supreme, absolute, and infallible reason".
If you read that guys wiki, he didn't really like ceremonial magic. It sure seems like it was more of an intellectual pursuit than anything. But he did do rituals still, for, ya know, "science".
The only guy I’ve ever been convinced was capable of what gets called “magic” was a Christian with a Taoist philosophy of life who healed many thousands of people without ever charging. The only reason we know about him was he felt a responsibility to ensure this knowledge was preserved with the coming (in his time, it’s basically here now) shift of the ages. What you share / that guy claims makes sense for sure.
And you may be interested similarly in the other posts on there (I’d love to see your own and others’ contributions, even if you’re just linking to posts you’ve made elsewhere!)
They don't even require direct contact with the subject in order to affect their mind anymore. I have ms13 adjacent friends who had their lives destroyed because a shotcaller decided he wanted to take one of their wives. It took one years of isolation and turning to God to free him from their grasp. Any disclosure that happens is always multiple generations behind their current power.
magic: măj′ĭk (noun) -The art or practice of using charms, spells, or rituals to attempt to produce supernatural effects or control events in nature.
a) "art" aka ARTIFI'CIAL, adjective - "in opposition to natural" implies ones ignorance of natural (perceivable) for artificial (suggested).
b) "to produce" ignores that nature (perceivable) represents the sole producer, while those within (perceiving) are re-producing, hence respond to being produced by.
b) "supernatural" aka SUPER (beyond) NATURAL (produced by) ignores being the product (partial) within nature (whole).
c) CHARM (suggested over perceivable); SPELLS (words over sound); RITUALS (sacrifice of will by consenting to suggested will of others).
I get why you are caught in this New Age thinking since you grew up a mormon... I also fell for the same theory, but you can quickly disprove it. The thinking that we are the gods of your own reality, yet we can't even process all operations of the human body... Can you imagine someone giving you the remote to your own DNA?
Same Consciousness idea, same Transhumanism movement, same Age of Aquarius or however you want to call this... David Icke promotes it and he allegedly talked with his spirits, in his own words - guides. Bill Hicks is promoting the same agenda also. Hinduism, Satanism... You may find it hard to believe but satanists don't believe in satan, they believe in their own ego as the moving force of the world...
I hope you gather more information regarding the New Age movement and what it leads to before promoting it more. Your conclusion "eventually all this nonsense will end" is wrong in itself - you write a post to make sense of something you say is nonsense.
Ive heard people say, and tend to agree, that the future has not yet been created.
a) aka I consented (agree) to suggested (say), hence ignoring that which perceptibly is (momentum) for suggestions about what isn't (created future).
b) from the "moment" of inception to the "moment" of death...one can only exist "now" aka within the perceivable; ever changing moment (um).
That our minds create
Then try it...CREATE (out of nothing) without TRANSMUTING (out of everything already perceivable). Show that your mind can create anything without utilizing everything already in existence...
we go along
Does life go along from inception towards death or does life resist being moved from inception towards death? If breathing, drinking; eating and sheltering
represents resistance, then is that a "we" (plural) or a "one" (singular) reaction?
both individual and collective
If consciousness represents awareness by perceiving (partial) of perceivable (whole) input, then receiving implies individual consciousness, while being dissolved back into inputting represents the collective consciousness, hence the process of dying (ongoing) "collecting" the consciousness of the "individual" living (temporary).
As for shared consciousness...consider the collective input (perceivable) being shared by each individual part (perceiving) within, while potential of access to it (comprehension of perceivable) has to be shaped by each individual for self.
As a man thinketh, so is he
What a man thinketh about, already was available for him to shape within.
received all the...ordinances.
All (whole) represents the only order (inception towards death) for each one (partial) within (life).
building a temple
TEM (to cut) aka CUT, verb - "to separate the parts of any body by an edged instrument"....whole (process of dying) separating itself into partial (living) represents the "cut", while the momentum of motion (balance) represents the "edge" for ones "instrumental" choice at the center.
Man and His Symbols by Carl Jung goes deep into this territory of 'reality as reflection of social consciousness.
Mythos defines logos in a similar manner.
String Theory is an attempt to convolute individual viewpoints (I am a unicorn if I believe I'm a unicorn (lower magic) as equal realities, when they are not. Chaos would (is) the result as planned.
Your take is very astute and is supported by literature in more than one tradition.
The descriptions have many facets/angles as well as left and right-brained explanations/examples.
All mythology contains symbology of the conscious and subconscious 'nous'.
I guess you could say it's as a deep a pool as one is able to or willing to swim, and the benefit depends on the diver expertise and expectations and the treasure sought.
If you want a left-hemispheric western breakdown showing the logos in it's proper relation to the concept of Harmony.
https://www.scribd.com/document/398575567/230403079-Jesus-Christ-Sun-of-God-Ancient-Cosmology-and-Early-Christian-Symbolism-by-David-R-Fideler-pdf
Mythos (suggested information) defines Logos (wanting vs not wanting suggested information aka the conflict of reason)...if consented to.
Suggested similar (likeness) tempts one to ignore perceivable difference. To be "one" (partial within whole) implies being different from each other one, otherwise one couldn't discern self, nor perceive others.
Perceivable implies moving differences (need), suggested represents the temptation of collecting them (want), hence ones choice of want (suggested) over need (perceivable) convoluting ones individual viewpoint (perceiving perceivable through the lens of suggested).
ARE, noun - "a measure"...the perceiving one (partial) can only measure within perceivable everything (whole)...others suggest "nothing" to tempt one to ignore perceivable (reality) for suggested (fiction).
Temporary chaos (life) represents the resistance within ongoing order (inception towards death); hence cause (process of dying) resulting in effect (living).
I'm sorry to hear your heart isn't in it and that you are feeling down :/
It would be interesting if you shared more about Mormonism. I think there are some positive aspects of it - aren't all Mormons supposed to be preppers and live clean without coffee? They are also very well represented in the alphabet agencies.
You might want to check out qigong or wim hof breathing and meditation. It would be amazing to find a group class for learning qigong. I have always lived to far away from any classes. Even if you just commit to a few months of practice to sea how you feel and learn from it ... It is probably one of the best energy works available. Also, it is fantastic for elderly in your life because you are using your brain to visualize plus having to learn body movements. A great brain workout.
Or you could try the wim hof breathing. I had never been able to go into real meditation until I used the hyper-oxygenation breathing which also raised the dmt levels. From the breathing and holds I immediately threw myself into a meditation. It started working really well and after a few months of doing practice, I could easily meditate for 3 hours. It was a really good feeling and experience. I hated to come out but unfortunately I was around a controlling and paranoid guy so I had to sneak in my spiritual and energy practices into early morning etc.
Agreed, or atleast, MKUltra spread this information (since realistically this pattern has been used for a long time, even prior to the formation of america)
I think the key point is Trauma-based mindkontrol/brainwashing. In an individual you can cause the trauma by torturing them physically, and psychologically, and pharmacologically (the LSD experiments), and even spiritually.
Where it gets even crazier is when you see this effect on the collective consciousness. Every false flag perpetuates this state of fear and trauma - from the Pearl Harbor FF, to the JFK/RFK false flags, to 9/11, to coofvid 19, and on to the next one.
You could even paint much of the “hellfire preaching” of the past in a similar light of trauma-induced mind control.
I think MKUltra goes back to the Egyptians or earlier.
The roots of circumcision were in control.
Egyptian youth were put through various "tests" that were generally traumatic and by 14 were full fledged adults.
Yeah, and apparently it damages babies brains and makes them more prone to mental illness.
Regression physically seals off parts of the brain from communicating with the rest.
Luckily I think a majority deal with it ok, but it's a pretty horrendous thing to do to a child. People are brainwashed to do it without thinking, that's all really. An iota of thought into it, you should be like, that's nasty. The Jewish version is extra nasty.
Interesting take on circumcision -
and now that you mention it, i can see a fair bit of overlap between the ancient “Mystery Schools” (which have their earliest recorded appearance in Egypt but could [and likely do] date even earlier) and MKUltra, namely the use of psychedelics under circumstances that are controlled and directed by someone else for “initiation”, use of symbolism as some kind of “mental code” which can be triggered or lie dormant, crazy amounts of secrecy and gradations of knowledge/initiation “lest the rabble discover our designs”, probably others too... very interesting indeed!
Yknow, somehow even after a decade+ of general interest and seeking, I’ve never done a dive into Mystery Babylon and Bill Cooper (despite its obviously massive influence on the “conspiracy” discussion). I remember once finding a (massive) archive of all his radio broadcasts, but do you have anything that’s like an overview of his research or maybe a documentary or something? It’s just a little daunting to dive into some 400(?) hour experience, which is probably why I’ve put it off so long lol.
I bought Bill's book (Pale Horse) when it came out, astounded someone had been allowed to print and sell it. I saw it as confirmation.
Another thing 'before it's time'.....MS 13 was used to eliminate him.
Ok - I’ve wasted 40+ hours on tv shows and games before so for information of this importance I’ll try to pencil it in lol, thanks!
Oh, and I didn't read the end of your earlier comment.
"Hellfire preaching"
I'm friend with a cool dude on Reddit that is an evangelical, and believes the Bible is 66 books only, and he kinda scoffed at my Bible (The New American Bible), which I got at my Catholic high school.
I like my Bible...it has the original words in the footnotes if there's scholarly argument about them, and has nifty cross-referencing and stuff like that.
Anyhow, point is that my Bible has such mild wording compared to the KJV. It is night and day in some regards.
I ALWAYS go to my Bible to check verses, because I haven't even seen the exact same translations online, even on Biblegateway and such that have all the different versions.
Sometimes...I even think that differing interpretations of a word or phrase between versions can both be true...almost like having multiple definitions or being double entendres.
Or like how Hebrew words lack vowels and there's similarty between words sharing the same consonants. Something along those lines...
I find a lot of interesting Christian discussion here, c/Christianity, and sometimes on c/ConsumeProduct
Which is good, because r*ddit has been unusable for me for the last 4-5 years.
But yeah, there really is so much there, so it’s so disingenuous of some (atheists) to dismiss it out of hand, and to a lesser extent the dogmatists who dismiss everything but their interpretations. It’s one thing to believe strongly in what you’ve come to think to be true - that’s a great thing - but it’s another thing entirely to close yourself off to everything else because more often than not you’ll miss out on even greater truths
Some of these older posts might be interesting to you:
https://communities.win/c/Christianity/p/12i3ug0dDN/the-literal-bible/c
https://communities.win/c/Christianity/p/12hkr8RTa1/what-is-going-on-with-the-echoed/c
https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/12hkhql2aC/the-tree-of-life-motif-appears-t/c
Many or most will dismiss offhand mythology, astrology, the idea of gods, demigods, etc.
I find it hard to believe that that stuff is meaningless.
Ya know, someone just linked me to the wiki for Eliphas Levi of Baphomet fame.
Here's an interesting quote...
Eliphas Levi cautioned: "The operations of [magic] science are not devoid of danger. Their result may be madness for those who are not established on the base of the supreme, absolute, and infallible reason. They may over-excite the nervous system, producing terrible and incurable diseases."[30] "Let those, therefore, who seek in magic the means to satisfy their passions, pause in that deadly path, where they will find nothing but death or madness. This is the significance of the vulgar tradition that the devil finished sooner or later by strangling the sorcerers."
I've browsed occult on reddit for years, and there is a modicum of "sorcerers" that make sure to invoke God first before doing anything....you know...the "supreme, absolute, and infallible reason".
If you read that guys wiki, he didn't really like ceremonial magic. It sure seems like it was more of an intellectual pursuit than anything. But he did do rituals still, for, ya know, "science".
The only guy I’ve ever been convinced was capable of what gets called “magic” was a Christian with a Taoist philosophy of life who healed many thousands of people without ever charging. The only reason we know about him was he felt a responsibility to ensure this knowledge was preserved with the coming (in his time, it’s basically here now) shift of the ages. What you share / that guy claims makes sense for sure.
(If you’re interested in the guy I mention:)
https://communities.win/c/HumanPotential/p/141rVOZOu0/perhaps-the-most-important-video/c
And you may be interested similarly in the other posts on there (I’d love to see your own and others’ contributions, even if you’re just linking to posts you’ve made elsewhere!)
c/HumanPotential
Edit) Weird, my links keep breaking today - I think it’s because I’m linking to both individual posts and whole .wins
Yeah, I had to log in to scored because I never go on there...
Just the old conspiracy site. I don't roam too much.
I am an anchorite LOL.
Already seen it LOL
I've been at this a long time. :)
I can make my hands substantially hot just by breathing and trying to "breathe through my hands".
I even showed students when I was a tutor.
It's kinda like the reverse of the "cold handles" that they use for muscle recovery if you've ever seen those.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoul
as per 'ghola'
and thereby associated with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gula_(goddess)
Historic examples:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasan-i_Sabbah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89liphas_L%C3%A9vi
Hashashins
Gesunheit
Imao
They don't even require direct contact with the subject in order to affect their mind anymore. I have ms13 adjacent friends who had their lives destroyed because a shotcaller decided he wanted to take one of their wives. It took one years of isolation and turning to God to free him from their grasp. Any disclosure that happens is always multiple generations behind their current power.
a) "art" aka ARTIFI'CIAL, adjective - "in opposition to natural" implies ones ignorance of natural (perceivable) for artificial (suggested).
b) "to produce" ignores that nature (perceivable) represents the sole producer, while those within (perceiving) are re-producing, hence respond to being produced by.
b) "supernatural" aka SUPER (beyond) NATURAL (produced by) ignores being the product (partial) within nature (whole).
c) CHARM (suggested over perceivable); SPELLS (words over sound); RITUALS (sacrifice of will by consenting to suggested will of others).
I get why you are caught in this New Age thinking since you grew up a mormon... I also fell for the same theory, but you can quickly disprove it. The thinking that we are the gods of your own reality, yet we can't even process all operations of the human body... Can you imagine someone giving you the remote to your own DNA?
Same Consciousness idea, same Transhumanism movement, same Age of Aquarius or however you want to call this... David Icke promotes it and he allegedly talked with his spirits, in his own words - guides. Bill Hicks is promoting the same agenda also. Hinduism, Satanism... You may find it hard to believe but satanists don't believe in satan, they believe in their own ego as the moving force of the world...
I hope you gather more information regarding the New Age movement and what it leads to before promoting it more. Your conclusion "eventually all this nonsense will end" is wrong in itself - you write a post to make sense of something you say is nonsense.
a) aka I consented (agree) to suggested (say), hence ignoring that which perceptibly is (momentum) for suggestions about what isn't (created future).
b) from the "moment" of inception to the "moment" of death...one can only exist "now" aka within the perceivable; ever changing moment (um).
Then try it...CREATE (out of nothing) without TRANSMUTING (out of everything already perceivable). Show that your mind can create anything without utilizing everything already in existence...
Does life go along from inception towards death or does life resist being moved from inception towards death? If breathing, drinking; eating and sheltering represents resistance, then is that a "we" (plural) or a "one" (singular) reaction?
If consciousness represents awareness by perceiving (partial) of perceivable (whole) input, then receiving implies individual consciousness, while being dissolved back into inputting represents the collective consciousness, hence the process of dying (ongoing) "collecting" the consciousness of the "individual" living (temporary).
As for shared consciousness...consider the collective input (perceivable) being shared by each individual part (perceiving) within, while potential of access to it (comprehension of perceivable) has to be shaped by each individual for self.
What a man thinketh about, already was available for him to shape within.
All (whole) represents the only order (inception towards death) for each one (partial) within (life).
TEM (to cut) aka CUT, verb - "to separate the parts of any body by an edged instrument"....whole (process of dying) separating itself into partial (living) represents the "cut", while the momentum of motion (balance) represents the "edge" for ones "instrumental" choice at the center.