Ukraine is much worse at population collapse. Mostly due to implementing all insane western policies after 2014 to "become west" and "join EU".
Interesting, that people on Ukraine really wanted "Shengen zone", to have an ability to freely travel and work in Europe, not joining EU with all that woke and economic shit. However, only visa-free to Poland was achieved few years ago (2019, IIRC).
Up to that moment huge amount of male Ukraine citizens work in Russia. Even me often hired Ukrainins for different backyard and construction jobs. Ukrainians, being really Russians, certainly much smarter and do the job much better than Tajiks and even Moldavians. AFAIK, only IT business in Ukraine was relatively profitable and allowed to feed family because of low taxes for IT business. That changed in 2014 too, "to adjust tax inequality". And, of course, that was not lowering taxes for other industries.
So, from mid-90s to 2019 with great rise in 2014, a lot of men from Ukraine most time lived and worked in Russia, so couldn't make children at home. This noticeably damaged birth rate in Ukraine ialong with all that woke and economic EU demands.
Really it could help, because in Russia a lot of things implemented to somehow fix that problem. And it is really works for some extent. From free baby formula for every newborn Russian citizen to what is named "maternity capital" - family support targeted payment, 0.5M RUR (~$8k) for first child and 0.7M RUR (~$11k) for the second. That money could be spent on realty, education and some other purposes. In most places you could buy apartment from ~1.5M. Also it is possible to pay mortgage in full ahead of schedule if family have one, so family will not only become free from debt, but also save a tons of money not paying bank interest for future decade or more.
So, people of Ukraine will get same support as Russian citizens. Really, I'm in doubt that all Ukraine will be taken, at least now. Odessa, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, even Kiev and Chernigov - may be. West Ukraine - hardly. Too much tensions between West and East/South Ukraine was created since 2014, so it will not be wise to mix that sides in one state. Annexed regions already getting all that state help.
There could be interesting turn, however. If we are right and NWO really destroying Europe using Ukraine-Russia war, and If Russian authorities somehow will avoid any serious fuckups with economy, then, with some probability, life in Europe could become noticeably worse than in Russia. At least here should be no problems with fuel, heat, water, food and work. So, all that Ukrainians began to love Russia and hate EU, just like they love EU and hate Russia now. And they could easily refernd to join Russia.
Really, I'll not be happy if all that Ukrainians, who, after USSR fall, quickly tricked themselves that they are absolutely "NotRussians", complete opposites of Russians, in the silly hope that they be somehow become welcomed on the West for that, those who build all ideology and society just on a single idea of hating Russians and everything Russian and nothing more, suddenly will switch to Russian patriots and West haters. I don't want to hate West and especially Western people. But they shurely will, just like they hate Russia and Russians now.
Russia's population has been declining, like the rest of White civilization, for a half a century now. And half a million casualties even, won't make a difference.
Russia is a post soviet corrupt shithole. The have record high rates of drug addicts, a declining birth rate worse than Americas, and record high abortions. This war is going to be way worse for them in every way than Iraq was for us. They have like no Allie’s while the entire world sees Ukraine as a victim and is doing everything they can other than boots on the ground to help them.
Also, Putin has sent troops into very brutal wars since his first day in office starting with Chechnya in 1999, so Russia framing this war as some sort of move against woke tranny globalism just seems opportunistic and manipulative. Russia is very crafty of doing this thing where to the right they project this message of standing up to globalism in Ukraine, while they also send this message to the left that they are standing up to US fascist capitalist NATO imperialism.
I think this war is just going to end with Russia rotting further, millions of Normal Ukranian families killed, homeless or reduced to refugees, and a bunch of Ukranian Oligarchs will spread out across the west and nothing will happen to them.
Yeah Putin should have just declared the two eastern separatist parts of Ukraine now part of Russia, sent troops there and then waited. That is what he has been doing historically and it always worked in his favor. I’m guessing he maybe got too cocky.
Your milkshake really brought all the Russian shills to the yard on this one, Gyna. It's never been more obvious how compromised this place is? Always was?
They should have let Globalists continue with bio weapons labs in Ukraine? Horrible idea.
Do you get $200 per post, or is that just on twitter?
Ukraine is much worse at population collapse. Mostly due to implementing all insane western policies after 2014 to "become west" and "join EU".
Interesting, that people on Ukraine really wanted "Shengen zone", to have an ability to freely travel and work in Europe, not joining EU with all that woke and economic shit. However, only visa-free to Poland was achieved few years ago (2019, IIRC).
Up to that moment huge amount of male Ukraine citizens work in Russia. Even me often hired Ukrainins for different backyard and construction jobs. Ukrainians, being really Russians, certainly much smarter and do the job much better than Tajiks and even Moldavians. AFAIK, only IT business in Ukraine was relatively profitable and allowed to feed family because of low taxes for IT business. That changed in 2014 too, "to adjust tax inequality". And, of course, that was not lowering taxes for other industries.
So, from mid-90s to 2019 with great rise in 2014, a lot of men from Ukraine most time lived and worked in Russia, so couldn't make children at home. This noticeably damaged birth rate in Ukraine ialong with all that woke and economic EU demands.
Really it could help, because in Russia a lot of things implemented to somehow fix that problem. And it is really works for some extent. From free baby formula for every newborn Russian citizen to what is named "maternity capital" - family support targeted payment, 0.5M RUR (~$8k) for first child and 0.7M RUR (~$11k) for the second. That money could be spent on realty, education and some other purposes. In most places you could buy apartment from ~1.5M. Also it is possible to pay mortgage in full ahead of schedule if family have one, so family will not only become free from debt, but also save a tons of money not paying bank interest for future decade or more.
So, people of Ukraine will get same support as Russian citizens. Really, I'm in doubt that all Ukraine will be taken, at least now. Odessa, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, even Kiev and Chernigov - may be. West Ukraine - hardly. Too much tensions between West and East/South Ukraine was created since 2014, so it will not be wise to mix that sides in one state. Annexed regions already getting all that state help.
There could be interesting turn, however. If we are right and NWO really destroying Europe using Ukraine-Russia war, and If Russian authorities somehow will avoid any serious fuckups with economy, then, with some probability, life in Europe could become noticeably worse than in Russia. At least here should be no problems with fuel, heat, water, food and work. So, all that Ukrainians began to love Russia and hate EU, just like they love EU and hate Russia now. And they could easily refernd to join Russia.
Really, I'll not be happy if all that Ukrainians, who, after USSR fall, quickly tricked themselves that they are absolutely "NotRussians", complete opposites of Russians, in the silly hope that they be somehow become welcomed on the West for that, those who build all ideology and society just on a single idea of hating Russians and everything Russian and nothing more, suddenly will switch to Russian patriots and West haters. I don't want to hate West and especially Western people. But they shurely will, just like they hate Russia and Russians now.
Russia's population has been declining, like the rest of White civilization, for a half a century now. And half a million casualties even, won't make a difference.
Russia is a post soviet corrupt shithole. The have record high rates of drug addicts, a declining birth rate worse than Americas, and record high abortions. This war is going to be way worse for them in every way than Iraq was for us. They have like no Allie’s while the entire world sees Ukraine as a victim and is doing everything they can other than boots on the ground to help them.
Also, Putin has sent troops into very brutal wars since his first day in office starting with Chechnya in 1999, so Russia framing this war as some sort of move against woke tranny globalism just seems opportunistic and manipulative. Russia is very crafty of doing this thing where to the right they project this message of standing up to globalism in Ukraine, while they also send this message to the left that they are standing up to US fascist capitalist NATO imperialism.
I think this war is just going to end with Russia rotting further, millions of Normal Ukranian families killed, homeless or reduced to refugees, and a bunch of Ukranian Oligarchs will spread out across the west and nothing will happen to them.
Yeah Putin should have just declared the two eastern separatist parts of Ukraine now part of Russia, sent troops there and then waited. That is what he has been doing historically and it always worked in his favor. I’m guessing he maybe got too cocky.
Your milkshake really brought all the Russian shills to the yard on this one, Gyna. It's never been more obvious how compromised this place is? Always was?
Uh, no. It has fucking nothing whatsoever to do with Ukraine or even 2014. This has been happening since the dawn of the Soviet Union.
Only things that are objectively false. You made it up. You repeated lies. Simple.
Be physically capable of retaining conversational context for more than one post, please. Even AI Dungeon does better.
I already did. The war has fucking nothing to do with it. It was already happening and had been for decades.
Your link doesn’t work, by the way.