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Flat Earthers please explain what We are seeing with this SUNRISE and MOONRISE .. If The Earth is flat, MOON and SUN cannot rise from below the horizon .. (www.youtube.com)
posted 3 years ago by RonaldMcGoCart 3 years ago by RonaldMcGoCart +9 / -3
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– TurnToGodNow 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

They simply deny it is rising or falling. Done.

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– Jasen 1 point 3 years ago +3 / -2

Flat earth is gay as aids

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– Questionable 1 point 3 years ago +2 / -1

The best lies are always half truths.

The Lost History Of The Flat Earth:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/QetnEQ2pszMr/

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– TrustNo1 1 point 3 years ago +5 / -4

Perspective, it's one of the first flat Earth arguments. There are multiple videos where people have demonstrated the optical illusion on a flat table and a local light.

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Explain what We are looking at in your own words

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– TrustNo1 -1 points 3 years ago +2 / -3

The sun was too far away to see, as it travelled closer it left the convergent point and appears to rise above the horizon.

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– SmokeAndMirrors 1 point 3 years ago +4 / -3

If you lower a light onto a table you will still see it no matter the perspective. If you lower it under the table, however...

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– SmokeAndMirrors -2 points 3 years ago +2 / -4

Ok, cool. How far exactly can light travel through air?

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– SmokeAndMirrors -2 points 3 years ago +2 / -4
  1. How do you know?

  2. Is the sun then suddenly traveling away from the viewer super fast once it is just over the horizon? Until then you can see it perfectly fine and a few minutes later it is completely gone. How does that work?

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– SmokeAndMirrors -3 points 3 years ago +1 / -4

This makes absolutely no sense at all.

Why does the sun reappear in the East after setting in the West? it must be moving around my position at 12000+ miles distance during the night.

Please provide a map.

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– SmokeAndMirrors -3 points 3 years ago +1 / -4

Are stars closer to earth than the sun then? Otherwise how can I see stars at night while I cannot see the sun?

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– SmokeAndMirrors -3 points 3 years ago +1 / -4

So if the sun disappears because light cannot penetrate air beyond 12000 miles, how can I see stars which are further away according to this map?

Disregarding that there is literally no evidence in the world that shows how the light gets blocked by air beyond 12000 miles.

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– free-will-of-choice 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

perspective

If near-sight; then far-sight within one (implication) or rise vs fall among others (reason)...choice of perspective.

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– NotYourAverageJim 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

This dude never did vanishing points in his first grade art class. If it were disappearing behind the curve you wouldn't be able to zoom in and see it but you can. Show me just one single proof of curvature. Just one real world proof instead of a computer model. Water always finds its level no matter what container it's in. Here's a video of Nasa actively faking being in space. https://t.me/AlternativeTake/1729 . They use Chroma-Key tracking to fake space in real time. I get that its hard to even comprehend but the reality is that space is fake. The redbull jump from "space" accidentally revealed the level horizon on the one shot that didn't have the fish-eye lens on it. https://t.me/AlternativeTake/2545 . They are straight up lying bro. Satanic Kabbalistic freemasons controlling the truth. https://t.me/AlternativeTake/2612

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

You said "If it were disappearing behind the curve you wouldn't be able to zoom in and see it but you can" << NO YOU CANT. You cannot zoom in on a object that is over the horizon!! BTW, you never took first grade art class.. How stupid are you?..

It's very easy to pick obscured Nasa feeds and then forge some BS with for example Clone Stamp Tool and then post vide and say 'Lookie here they scam us!!' I don't trust Nasa either but not for flat Earth claims. Years ago I caught them covering up discussion of Life On Europa concerning the red stuff they say is irradiated Magnesium Salts .. Also Life uin the clouds of Venus ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abV1fCojfkE

BTW, I cannot view telegram videos I refuse to download their software to see long content .. and if those links DO NOT LINK BACK to THE ORIGINAL FEED FROM NASA forget it

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– NotYourAverageJim 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

https://files.catbox.moe/iaskrp.webm

There you go chief, I uploaded it to catbox for you since you aren't able to use Telegram. I will be waiting on the explanation for why their live stream is using ChromaKey tracking system to fake space.

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 1 point 3 years ago +2 / -1

I've seen this, does not prove a flat Earth,

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– NotYourAverageJim 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Sure you can. I have watched many people able to zoom in and see the entirety of the ship "Disappearing" behind the curve. Your refusal to download Telegram and view evidence is your own problem. Get a google voice number or a second number to download telegram with. I can only lead you to the proof I cannot make you believe it. Still waiting on just one visible proof of curvature.

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

You have zoomed in video of a ship disappearing over the curve, meaning the Earth is curved .. On a flat Earth at sea level the ship wont go over any curve it will become smaller and smaller until your telescope no longer can resolve.. The Sun and Moonrising is a problem for you

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– lamdog220 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

There are more videos that are produced for undereducated but it’s not searchable by undereducated. There’s no hope and it’s a safe and effective choice

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

You can't explain what We are looking at in this video?? Or what you'd see if you were on a beach on the east coast in the Am hours in real life with your own two eyes? This post is an opportunity for you to explain what this is..

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– lamdog220 -1 points 3 years ago +1 / -2

Nah, I rather observe your actions as an undereducated. It's a personal choice. Just like the jabbed, it's not the explanation itself. It's the capability of the individual.

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– Allas8 1 point 3 years ago +2 / -1

Here is P-brane explaining how the sun goes up and down in only 1 minute and 39 seconds. As the sun moves further away from the camera, it moves lower in the horizon. This is due to how perspective works.

THE SUN RISES AND SETS BECAUSE IT GETS CLOSER AND FARTHER PERSPECTIVE

https://youtu.be/82xFUBwvAZk

Once the sun gets far enough away from us, you will watch it at a low enough angel, that it will appear behind the horizon, and no longer be viewable with the naked eye. If you have an optical high zoom device, you can make the horizon appear further away from you and bringing the sun back unto view, for a time being.

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

That potato vision video shows Alaska during Peak SUMMER (maximum tilt toward the SUN, the same thing happens in Antartica during PEAK SUMMER in the southern hemisphere which is OUR winter) any globe model explains that for even the most retarded.

I will ask the same question to you. Stop this video at 56 seconds .. Where is the other half of the SUN that appears to be below the horizon , but if the Earth is flat , NO curvature .. So what Are we looking at 56 seconds? Where is the lower half of the SUN @ 56 seconds ??

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Yes Antartica does have 24 hr sunlight during their SUMMER .. You're repeating a desperate talking point from that one guy that has a FlatEarth App.. And of course he would site a place that hardly any humans are when there are not enough humans down there to begin with except science teams (even though there are videos of 24 hr Antartica SUN that that guy with the APP says is BS (He makes money off Flat Earth). . But there are lots of people in Alaska where you can;t make up a lie like that and expect people to believe it.

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

The tip of Chile's day is much longer when it's 24hr sun in Antartica .. Get a 3d astronomy program like Celestia or Universe Sandbox .. Shame We can;t share screenshots in the comments on here..

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEZ7Jel62js << 360 view video from Antartica time lapse 24 hr SUN .. My Issue with this video is the SUN is blurry like the video you keep referring to with the SUN fading out from the Horizon

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

. That's quite a confession from you to imply the video I posted is possibly 'FAKE' why would it be 'Fake'?? to debunk Flat Earthers?

You can throw out this video (not mine) One of thousands if not millions randomly posted on Youtube over the years because Sunrises and Moonrises are awesome to witness and regular blue collar folks just post on youtube that don;t even know people still exist that believe the Earth is Flat.. But The video I chose 'MIGHT BE FAKED' you say??

Quite a confession from you that YOU DONT GET OUT MUCH

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– Allas8 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

Here is p-brane showing you an orthographic demonstration how the horizon rises to eye level.

HORIZON RISES TO EYE LEVEL ORTHOGRAPHIC VIEW

https://youtu.be/a6mRviXLM-A

At about 3 miles the horizon should form from us, all things being equal. Once the sun gets far enough away from us, and you view it at say a 0.1° angel, the sun will appear behind our horizon.

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

But the SUN does not start out as small and grow in size, the SUN starts out as the same size it is when it is fully risen above the horizon.. Sun not fading into view, Sun not growing into view .. Sun appears to be rising into VIEW.. Does not grow in size nor does it fade in.. SUN RISES INTO VIEW over what appears to be a CURVED surface

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– Allas8 1 point 3 years ago +2 / -1

Turns out p-brane has answered and explained the exact concern you bring up.

WHY THE SUN DOESN'T SHRINK TO A DOT on the FLAT EARTH CELESTIAL PERSPECTIVE EXPERIMENT SHOWS why

https://youtu.be/Vq5ixQytLXE

What you have to remember is that the sun is about 3000-4000 miles above us. If you was watching a sun that was at ground level, alongside you, then it should shrink and grow as it moves towards you, or away from you. But since it is so far away from us, it has already shrunk in size, and we will hardly notice much of the size change as the sun moves toward the horizon.

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– DangerCat 1 point 3 years ago +2 / -1

Eh,,, the real issue is why can I go east or west from Rome, and end up in Toronto? No flat earther touches this question in any meaningful way. They just point to other map projections, without explaining why the trajectories on those projections make sense.

Dead in the water.

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

You can especially if you're a wet suit coated with vaseline ..and going east or west real fast , hit the dome and with some luck the energy from the smack against the dome will carry you along the dome to the otherside of the planet and dump you off Toronto..

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– alltheleavesarebrown 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

You can though.

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– Allas8 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Sure can. From Rome to Toronto there is about 4400 miles, as the crow flies. At least we are able to draw straight lines on our map. Ask these globeheads to draw a line from Rome to Toronto on a map, and they going to need to add a curve.

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– free-will-of-choice 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

a) rise (inception) and fall (death) implies momentum (balance) for those within (life).

b) HOR'IZON, noun [Greek to bound, a limit.]...balance represents the boundary/limit for each choice at the center.

what we are seeing

Are "we" or does each "one"? If perceiving within perceivable represents partial (one) within whole (oneness); then what if "we" was suggested by other "ones" to distract from one (living) from oneness (process of dying)?

if...cannot

a) implication (if/then) originates from motion; hence if moving; then towards. "cannot" aka can nothing represents a suggestion which tempts one to ignore perceivable motion aka everything perceivable being moved including those perceiving it from within.

b) no (not) implies versus yes aka a conflict of reason...the inversion of implication (if/then).

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– jack445566778899 -1 points 3 years ago +1 / -2

This is a very common question (and misunderstanding).

The horizon is an optical illusion, and not the edge of anything except our vision. This fact is not dependent on the shape of the world, and is true regardless.

The disappearing and reappearing of objects interacting with that optical illusion, is - you guessed it - also an optical illusion.

It is primarily caused by the refraction caused by the density gradient in our air which tends to cause light traveling through it to curve convexly towards the surface.

There is already a thread or two on the community i created about it if you want more detail.

To any with an interest in this topic (and/or larger subject), please join us on flatearthresearch to further explore, discuss, and exchange views on it!

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

You'd think A refraction index with that kind of power would show a SUN or Moonrise shifting into view from the 'convex curve optical illusion' point (whereever that may be on the flat horizon). I guarantee you you goto the beach at sea level and watch a ship, you can watch them appear/disappear over the horizon even with a telescopic lens .. In your view , it's the density gradient that shifts them out of view right at the 3 mile horizon point 6ft above see level.

Why are the stars moving in the night sky in the same direction the Sun rises and sets?

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– jack445566778899 -1 points 3 years ago +1 / -2

You'd think A refraction index with that kind of power would show a SUN or Moonrise shifting into view from the 'convex curve optical illusion' point (whereever that may be on the flat horizon)

I’m not sure i am following you. We do see the moon/sun/boat/distant object appearing to rise out (“shifting into view”) of the horizon line as it approaches us (and vice versa).

you can watch them appear/disappear over the horizon even with a telescopic lens

True. Zooming in on the optical illusion doesn’t change it. Why do you think it would?

In your view , it's the density gradient that shifts them out of view right at the 3 mile horizon point 6ft above see level.

More or less, yes - exactly. Well, more correctly in the case of the sun, moon, stars, planes, etc (anything not on the surface of the water) - it appears that that is the case! The horizon line is distinct/separate from the density gradient that causes the light from the distant objects to curve convexly towards the surface. The light from the boat curves enough to appear to sink, at that 3-7 (approx) mile limit.

Please let me know if you have any other questions and/or criticisms!

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

So flat Earth now uses refractory optical shift to explain Sunrises and boats appearing over horizons?

What about the stars? Why do the stars move in the same direction the Sun rises and sets? The stars generally all move in tandem too.. Are the stars all moving around the FlAT Earth as we see with the animations of flat Earth?

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– jack445566778899 -1 points 3 years ago +1 / -2

So flat Earth now uses refractory optical shift to explain Sunrises and boats appearing over horizons?

No. Flat earth is not a thing. It is a heavily advertised/funded psyop.

I am an independent flat earth researcher (we study the subject, phenomenon, and psyop to discredit/suppress it) and my views are my own.

What about the stars?

The same thing applies to all distant objects. Stars appear to rise and set for the same reasons.

Why do the stars move in the same direction the Sun rises and sets?

We’ve ventured into speculation, but i personally suspect for the same reason. Their motion is caused by (or perhaps is the cause of) the swirling motion we observe above us.

Are the stars all moving around the FlAT Earth as we see with the animations of flat Earth?

I don’t care much for cartoons, personally. In any case, the world is whatever shape it is and the motion of the celestial lights is what it is. The bias that they must be linked is merely that; encouraged through astronomy. Looking up at the sky, the literal opposite direction of the world whose surface shape you wish to study, to determine the shape of the world is unscientific and powerful dumb.

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

I hear ya not trusting FREEMASONIC controlled science. I follow the latest exoplanet discoveries almost everyday. Who the hell should trust these universities/ESTABLISHMENT anymore after the way they've been acting the last several years. I do buy the globehead model.. Mainly thru observation.

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– jack445566778899 -1 points 3 years ago +1 / -2

I hear ya not trusting FREEMASONIC controlled science

One of science’s greatest strengths is that it requires no, and is directly hindered by, trust. Trust/belief is known by another name in science; bias. It is to be avoided, excised, and suppressed whenever possible.

Personally, i am a fan of real science. But discerning between it and pseudoscience/mythology/religion masquerading as it is impossible for most people. They simply don’t know what science is, and the common colloquial definitions most learn are plainly incorrect.

I do buy the globehead model.. Mainly thru observation

Fair enough! Making your own informed decisions, and doing your own thorough/rigorous validation on encountered claims (of which facts are merely one type) before you accept them are the most important things.

I used to, as we are intended, “buy” the globe model as well - but i have found through my research that it does not withstand scrutiny. It was merely assumed to be true over 2000 years ago and disingenuously/erroneously taught as validated fact to virtually every student since then.

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

You dont need videos on perspective on this one at 56 seconds .. There is no mind trickery, We're on a curved surface roughly 8,000 miles in diameter orbiting a SUN that is roughly 850,000 miles in diameter at roughly 90-93 million miles away with a 24 hr day and night cycle orbital spin .. not tidally locked to the Sun like our Moon is to EARTH in the same way the majority of moons are to their planet in the known solar system.

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– alltheleavesarebrown 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

Why dont buildings and landscapes tilt backwards toward the 3 mile horizon line?

Official curve calculator---line of sight---tilt

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Off the top of my p-brain head.. Because they're tilting toward the one in the West, north, South and the EAST ??

I'll have to research that one

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On a flat Earth perspective the SUN/Moonrise will show a smaller SUN or MOON that grows .. or FADE Into view like you tried to pull off early in this debate.. You're now changing your argument to 'You need to see videos on perspective You've been schooled' Nope The Bottom half @56 seconds is obscured by the horizon. Flat Earth Model cannot explain unless the surface is curved.

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

If you can't see the fade from sea level it means the surface is curved.. There is no other explanation. It's curved surface! I picked this simple example because there is no way around FLAT EARTH hypothesis on this unless the Flat Earth is curved.. You can't win here.. There is no way out of this

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– RonaldMcGoCart [S] 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

Again, The Sun does not fade in, it RISES into the picture because the surface is curved. You can;t handle it so bad you have to change the subject to something else.. NOPE.. not even wasting my time on something else. This is why I picked SUN rising above the water. You can't win

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