Kyiv Kyiv Kyiv I see it everywhere, where the fuck did this come from? My whole life the spelling was always Kiev. I am in my late 30's and have always had an interest in both geography and history.
My guess is it is so when people google it they automatically get "approved sources" with the new spelling, and anything with the spelling I am more familiar with will be deemed old fashioned. I imagine this is not the first time they've tried something like this. Am I the only one that is driven mad by this sudden new spelling?
No, it’s weird. It’s like an alternate reality Kiev.
Oh, good, I'm not the only one that noticed.
there are jackasses on this site that claim "its always been spelled like that"
But no, you nailed it, normies will search for Kyiv and get newly curated sources rather than historical data on Kiev, lest they actually learn something..... like the CIA deposed of the democratically elected pro-Russia government in 2014 [thanks Obama] and installed a pro-west one instead, turned the country into the oligarchs playground, and staged NATO offensive weapons on Russia's border.
About 10 days ago all western media decided, on a whim of course, to start using Kyiv after decades of using Kiev. That is what I am talking about, not the history behind it.
Exactly. Nice little summary there on Ukraine to get people up to speed. I'm still trying to convince people the situation is more than just Russia is bad. NATO forced Russia into a position where they had no alternative but to invade. The U.S. and NATO refused any type of diplomacy with Russia. Now they are cutting off Russian banks. Yet Russian gas is still flowing to Europe. That tells you everything you need to know.
It’s a trap!
I’ve been onto this for years!
It actually looks like this: Київ
All countries use made up words for other countries. You can witness this yourselves when they call out the country in the country’s name and then hear the US English name during the Olympics opening ceremonies.
ITALIA! (Italy) NIPPON (Japan) DEUTSCHLAND (Germany)
Wanna see something really, really wild? Read an encyclopedia world book from the 60’s.
Muslims = Moslems Islam= Mohommadism
And so on, and so on. Serious 1984 retcon shit.
Control language, control thought
🚨🚨wee woo wee woo🚨🚨
Thought Crime in Progress!
You have to eat bugs for two more weeks! Psychological Beatings Will continue until morality improves!
And if you know these changes, it helps you find the old sources more easily.
I use https://swisscows.com , https://qwant.com , and https://yandex.com and rarely use Google anymore. I obtain much better search results.
Swiss Cows is great as long as your search terms don't contain swear words.
Thanks! I’ve been using duck duck go for two years now... any thoughts on that one?
I miss altavista and hotbot because i’m an oldfag.
Duckduckgo seems to rely on Google and Bing results to generate much of its search results, which is why I use those other search engines.
From a privacy standpoint, it seems OK.
Thanks, tpop
Yeah there was a post on this a few weeks ago where this was essentially the consensus then too.
Very interesting thought
Kyiv Ukrainian, Kiev Russian.
I think they chose Kyiv after the former Soviet Block broke up, where it was formerly called chicken, no, I meant Kiev.
I think it became a narrative after the coup where it hit the sources and textbooks changing, perhaps now even drawing ire.
Isn't it Cyrillic though? Wouldn't it be the same regardless?
Not well versed in this
Probably, but it doesn't taste like chicken. All it needs is garlic and butter sauce you damn Slavs. Not a typo.
No idea. But if they also start calling chicken kyvi I gonna have to sue the Chinese.
Bruh, get out of here with the logic.
Somebody must have posed this question on facebook as a meme or text on a solid colored background, which made someone get sight tingles which means there is something nefarious going on. Trust the boomers, they got us here so their style behavior will definitely set us free
But I like the Chicken. I can't spell Kyvi.
No seriously. I gave you the history.
jews are responsible for this, not boomers
Also, it's pronounced Kee Ev, or Kee Iv not Keeve. Keeve sounds so stupid.
I feel like I'm intentionally being dumbed down every time I hear "Keev." It just grates on my ears.
In the west we like to stupidify Russian pronunciation. Just the other day I learned that Vladimir was properly pronounced Vlad-Yee-meer. Not Vlad-uh-meer.
Darn right!
they changed the spelling and pronunciation after the 2014 coup as part of the derussification of ukraine
The city's name is Київ in Ukranian, Киeв in Russian.
Kyiv and Kiev are just romanizations.
Not the point of the post.
OP is aware of that. Rather, it's telling they change the spelling as a way to make it harder for smooth brains thinking about waking up from finding conflicting information to the current MSM narrative.
I was half convinced i'd lost my mind hahaha
Saw this discussion in a group on another site. Here's an interesting backstory: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10543253/Why-Kyiv-instead-Kiev-government-dropped-Soviet-era-name.html
Kiev is what I've always seen. Thought it was some leftist idiocy like ISIL
I'm also in my 30s and I had the exact same thought. It was always Kiev and I've studied geography a lot, too. That's a very good point about it being for search engines. Good eye.
Kiev is Russian spelling. Kyiv is Ukrainian spelling.
Exactly. The new spelling - and the media pronouncing it like "Keev" instead of "Key-ev" like before - is the equivalent of declaring your pronouns on social media. It's yet another example of political correctness with no particular logic behind it. Also, we've always been at war with Eastasia, but that's neither here nor there.
Kyiv is recent de-russified spelling. Ukrainians used to spell it Kiev too but are not trying to make a point
A fork in the timeline
It's not really that weird. If you're from an English speaking country, "Kiev" would be the correct spelling. "Kyiv" however is more close to how the Ukrainians pronounce it, so just consider it an upgrade. It's no different than maybe English speakers refers to the capital of my home country (Denmark) as "Copenhagen", whereas in reality, the name of it is "Kobenhavn", Brussels = Bruxelles etc.
What would be weird is if Russia invaded Denmark and the MSM, in lockstep, changed the spelling from Copenhagen to Kobenhavn overnight.
Well, to me it wouldn't be weird, more kinda respectful. But I understand it from your point of view.
The gesture of changing the spelling would be respectful to the Danish people, sure, but when every MSM outlet makes the spelling changes the exact same day, that only happens with coordination behind the scenes and usually with ulterior motives.
Def language manipulation going on.
2019 AP style guide change https://blog.ap.org/announcements/an-update-on-ap-style-on-kyiv
And some report changes from 1995! https://old.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/eyu2sr/ukraine_capital_of_kiev_was_officially_changed_to/
It's not sudden.
They switched the packaging on frozen chicken dinners like 15 years ago. Chicken Kiev/Kyiv. Buttery and delicious, and a war omen.Putting "Support the USO" on Mello Yello labels leading up to this past US election was also an omen.E: wrong
You have any proof of that? I did a Swiss Cows search for Chicken Kyiv and it links to a Wikipedia article-
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chicken_Kiev
What brand name of frozen chicken dinner?
All I'm finding is Kiev...
http://www.mouthsofmums.com.au/rate-it/all-things-frozen/frozen-meals/on-the-menu-chicken-kiev/
https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2015/07/barber-foods-recalls-kiev-stuffed-chicken-for-possible-salmonella-contamination/
https://www.instacart.com/products/3324816-sandra-s-stuffed-chicken-breasts-chicken-kiev-2-ea
I was under the influence of the Mandela Effect. It is still Kiev on chicken dinners. Sorry.
I've seen both. Mostly Kyiv on the European side and Kiev everywhere else. The weird thing is how the left is saying it's Keev and changed the Wikipedia article. They did some hardcore vandalization and some of the editors changed it back but some admins came in and said Keev and Keeve are fine.
Maybe it's one of the things that is now different but never changed..... aka...The Mandella Effect
Why are you using Google to verify a memory hole situation created by Google and the MSM?
We know the official explanation. The entire point of this post is the spelling used by MSM outlets changed overnight, long after Ukraine's independence.
Pro-tip: Ukraine's been independent since 1991.