But you are right, and another factor to bring up is disposal. Burning all the plastics also releases shit in the air. So we got pollution all around for a few million years from plastic. Good job humans. Wall-E is coming.
Capitalism isn't all or nothing. The US no doubt has elements of capitalism but it's not everything. There are elements of regulated commerce, and socialism. It's a grab bag. People have a hard time seeing things outside of dichotomies. Some regulation is bad. Some regulation is good. I don't think anyone wants Nestle dumping waste into rivers. But most people also probably think restaurants should be allowed to tie leftovers to charity or homeless (currently they can't in many cities).
The infighting over stuff like this, or at least the way people do it, doesn't help.
Now I see people who a few years ago were maga populists pushing for national socialism. Start with values and let that direct policy.
People should be gainfully employed
People should be productive
Do we want women in the workforce or do we want to incentive family building?
Do we want refugees and immigrants and asylum seekers?
Do we want foreign visa workers?
Do we want to prevent single entities from accumulating too much power?
Then, once we figure that out, what's the most pragmatic way to accomplish this?
For decades the lefts go-to solution for literally every problem was "increase spending" and government paying for it because they are too lazy to figure out real solutions. So they just want to throw money at it and hope it goes away magically, like a shitty parent who gets their kid a Gameboy instead of spending time with them because one is easy, even if it's not effective.
Here's another place where you're not even recognizing the point someone is making, let alone replying to it in a logical manner. You're making an unrelated statement to your original one and phrasing it as a question instead of a statement as well.
A sustainable economy is not antithetical to a capitalist society. Granite's point was that the US is not a capitalist society, which to be fair was not thoroughly stated as most people on this site are assumed to already be of the actual informed conservative that realizes that the united states is a corporate oligarchy, not the media stereotype of corporate worshipping neocon - which you seem to have come here assuming as well.
Thinking the US is actually anywhere close to capitalist, when in fact it is controlled by corporate fiefdoms and the state working together, is at least ignorant if not retarded.
If the elites were really worried about climate change we would demand China cut their emissions. If they refused we would invade. If climate change is going to kill us all what would we have to lose?
That's what gets me about climate change policy. Oh, plastics are bad? Ok, then why are there more and more stores (I'm looking at you dollar and 5 dollar stores), aisles with more and more plastic nic-naks that won't keep a child's attention for more than a few minutes before it's forgotten? Why is planned obsolescence of less than 10 years normalized for products like kitchen appliances and in most cases less than 2 years, for example? Why is disposable plastic container and cup usage expanding within corporate food businesses? There's no end in sight for the use of plastic water/soda bottles.
They're not serious about plastics. The move to get rid of plastic bags, straws and utensils is merely a "do something" effort that inconveniences you the most. When it comes to bottled water if they were serious about plastic waste then they would promote greater access to public water. If you take away access to bottled water our cities and suburbs are literally deserts when one tries to find access to water. Increased public access to water would reduce plastic bottle usage by huge amounts.
Lay off the drugs for a bit.
This is America, you can't just outlaw plastic and make it disappear. The hemp Utopia you're imagining is brought to you by petrochemicals.
Single use plastics are the biggest polluter, and never mentioned with climate change. It's all a scam.
They are made with oil right? Plastics. They are made with oil.
And oil is talked about non stop.
Just because you don't read up on it doesn't mean that people don't talk about it.
Case and point: I'm always talking about your mom's big ole plastic titties and you aren't aware. ;)
Indeed, but I mean in general.
What percentage of plastics do those make up?
But you are right, and another factor to bring up is disposal. Burning all the plastics also releases shit in the air. So we got pollution all around for a few million years from plastic. Good job humans. Wall-E is coming.
Brawndo makes the plants grow.
Capitalism isn't all or nothing. The US no doubt has elements of capitalism but it's not everything. There are elements of regulated commerce, and socialism. It's a grab bag. People have a hard time seeing things outside of dichotomies. Some regulation is bad. Some regulation is good. I don't think anyone wants Nestle dumping waste into rivers. But most people also probably think restaurants should be allowed to tie leftovers to charity or homeless (currently they can't in many cities).
The infighting over stuff like this, or at least the way people do it, doesn't help.
Now I see people who a few years ago were maga populists pushing for national socialism. Start with values and let that direct policy. People should be gainfully employed People should be productive Do we want women in the workforce or do we want to incentive family building? Do we want refugees and immigrants and asylum seekers? Do we want foreign visa workers? Do we want to prevent single entities from accumulating too much power?
Then, once we figure that out, what's the most pragmatic way to accomplish this?
For decades the lefts go-to solution for literally every problem was "increase spending" and government paying for it because they are too lazy to figure out real solutions. So they just want to throw money at it and hope it goes away magically, like a shitty parent who gets their kid a Gameboy instead of spending time with them because one is easy, even if it's not effective.
Here's another place where you're not even recognizing the point someone is making, let alone replying to it in a logical manner. You're making an unrelated statement to your original one and phrasing it as a question instead of a statement as well.
A sustainable economy is not antithetical to a capitalist society. Granite's point was that the US is not a capitalist society, which to be fair was not thoroughly stated as most people on this site are assumed to already be of the actual informed conservative that realizes that the united states is a corporate oligarchy, not the media stereotype of corporate worshipping neocon - which you seem to have come here assuming as well.
Thinking the US is actually anywhere close to capitalist, when in fact it is controlled by corporate fiefdoms and the state working together, is at least ignorant if not retarded.
This isn’t capitalism
I agree. That's my point...this isn't about saving our planet
If the elites were really worried about climate change we would demand China cut their emissions. If they refused we would invade. If climate change is going to kill us all what would we have to lose?
no, they wont ever outlaw plastics, because it is that much cheaper than any alternative. its about the money
I have never seen hemp made into:
Britain has never had a cotton industry. It bought it from the US
Yeah, bc it hasn't been given a chance to explore it's potential and to thrive. It has been completely monetized and not invested.
Biodegradable.
You are right though. Plastics are bad.
And we?
Environmentalism is just another top down elitist mindfuck for control of the goyim.
Biodegradable** excuse me.
And if they truly thought "one preventable death is too many" they would have outlawed McDonalds and driving a car decades ago.
The absolute best way to protect you and your loved ones from the effects of climate change is to be as rich as possible.
That's what gets me about climate change policy. Oh, plastics are bad? Ok, then why are there more and more stores (I'm looking at you dollar and 5 dollar stores), aisles with more and more plastic nic-naks that won't keep a child's attention for more than a few minutes before it's forgotten? Why is planned obsolescence of less than 10 years normalized for products like kitchen appliances and in most cases less than 2 years, for example? Why is disposable plastic container and cup usage expanding within corporate food businesses? There's no end in sight for the use of plastic water/soda bottles.
They're not serious about plastics. The move to get rid of plastic bags, straws and utensils is merely a "do something" effort that inconveniences you the most. When it comes to bottled water if they were serious about plastic waste then they would promote greater access to public water. If you take away access to bottled water our cities and suburbs are literally deserts when one tries to find access to water. Increased public access to water would reduce plastic bottle usage by huge amounts.
Lay off the drugs for a bit. This is America, you can't just outlaw plastic and make it disappear. The hemp Utopia you're imagining is brought to you by petrochemicals.
My late industrial chemist father claimed that anything that you could make out of petrochemicals he could make out of corn.
You see how many people freaked out at the straw thing? LOL
Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedumb!