I’ve been a Mason for 20 years, Past Master, 32°, Scottish Rite & York Rite. I don’t have any juicy secrets (like “33° Masons control the price of Ovaltine”), and I’m of the view that we’re / they’re mostly harmless. That said, I’m disillusioned. The Brotherhood is broken and not fulfilling what they promise to their craftsmen, which is to make good men better. It’s become one big LARP that sucks free time and money from its members and gives nothing back to the Brothers, their families, communities, or the world.
They broke their oath, I’ll break mine. Ask me anything. Or nothing.
Fair enough. My wife is the serious conspiracy theorist & researcher, I merely dabble. I really wish I had access to something meaty to divulge, and have no way of convincing you or anyone I’m not part of a disinfo campaign. I’m doing this for purely selfish reasons, to give a little middle-finger to the organization that sucked a decent portion of my energy over the last few decades.
Hi, I'm one of the idiots on the show floor of the franchise to trick you into thinking its just a bunch of guys in weird hats, and not a global cabal of soul-sucking child-raping demons. No, I don't know what went on in that one back room with the blacked-out windows. That was for the regional managers. I was just assistant to the regional managers. But I heard its just a store room. Ask me anything!
I’m not selling anything. If anything I was hoping someone would ask the secret words or handshakes.
EA degree: BOAZ, both men with thumb on each other’s first knuckle. (The subsequent degrees are more complicated.)
I could be deceiving you and everyone though. That could be a sign to a true Mason that it’s an impostor. I guess none of us can trust each other. Ultimately it doesn’t matter I guess.
According to this recent video. Freemasons are all satanists. You know anything about that? Or are you too low level?
I believe that the 'spit on a Bible' test comes at 33rd level. They don't give it to the lower ranks and there's no overt Satanism - it can scare away the paying patsies. But the transition to the bottom of the inner circle starts at 33, after they have had a long period in which to ascertain suitability and loyalty and degree of usable sociopathy.
I dunno.. nothing I’ve seen comes close to satanic in the first 32 degrees. Who knows with the 33rd.
It would be hidden in plain sight. IE: you wold not realize the significance of your own actions. Just as the 'health professional' administering the vaccines does not fully grasp what the ramifications of their own actions are.
For sure. What do I know, I’m kind of a Buddhist / Hindu anyway. I probably wouldn’t recognize a satanic ritual unless they started shoving black candles up my ass (they don’t do that, at least not that I’ve seen).
Has any of the teachings/literature made you a better as a person than you were the day before you joined? If so, what was the most enlightening lesson?
Nothing I ever read (although there was one book I read the name escapes me, but it talked about how Masonry fills the lack of rites-of-passage for men). Any positive growth I experienced was mostly self confidence of running the lumbering beast of a lodge for a year. I probably could’ve had the same effect by running my own business.
The rites-of-passage, sounds like creating a solution for a problem that was never there and normalizing a constant jumping-through-hoops mentality.
Do you remember your high school graduation? Do you remember your 300th day of highschool? Do you remember the day you became a father? Do you remember your 1000th day of fatherhood?
Rites of passage are intrinsic to humans and our conceptions of life, it seems to me. They are some kind of foundation for how we perceive and comprehend the universe. Your first rite of “passage” (stepping through a threshold) happened the day you were born.
Sounds similar to the tiered structure of a pyramid scheme. A milestone is created and it is all important that you meet the criteria to pass it. When you finally do that the cycle starts over indefinitely. I guess this could give meaning to people who can't seem to find any in their own lives. Just seems like needless busy work.
Have you seen the development of apps recently? They’re seeking to “gamify” every aspect of life. Go for a walk with your Health Insurance Co. App running to save $0.15 on your bill this month, “level up” your houses insulation via homedepot to get a $10 coupon on bug burgers, that kind of shit. You ain’t wrong, basically
It kinda makes sense.. nothing to mark a transition from boyhood to manhood, like Bar Mitzvahs (“you’re a man now”) or going into the army. Maybe that’s why some adults have trouble adulting. Then again it could just be a convenient argument.
Truth is a cycle. The first 0 in the number of Pi is at the order of 33.
That’s petty cool, I had no idea. I still have no idea, but now I know it’s a thing.
I’m scheduled for my EA degree in the next month. Got approved by my local lodge and have been going to their dinners and helping move furniture out of an older lodge close by.
I’ve always been a MAJOR conspiracy theorist, so I figured instead of listening to people dumber than me tell me what they think they know about freemasonry, I would see for myself.
Seems like a cool organization. All the dudes are super chill. Nothing satanic or evil so far, all the guys were actually disappointed I wasn’t Christian and didn’t believe in Jesus
Sorry for being so sour on the Craft. Once you’re in you’ll hear tales of “grumpy past masters.” I’m one. I got burnt out trying to inspire a bunch of men to get off their asses and practice what they preach, rather than just show up for a meeting. I do think the younger guys (I’m in my early 50s for what it’s worth) do seem to have their heads on straight.
I wish you best of luck despite my tantrums. Drop me a private message after your degree if you think of it.
I do see what you're saying in my local lodge. lots of issues. nobody wanting to step up and take initiative. A bunch of "union factory worker" types who seem to be in freemasonry just to get away from their wives and larp being in charge of others lol.
Idk, maybe im wrong, but thats been my impressions. I'm super into self improvement, and using ritual as a tool to help hack the mind and manifest positive experiences. These guys are asking me how to market to the younger generation, like with Facebook ads or something, instead of trying to figure out how to get the 100+ non active members to start getting excited about coming back again.
My EA degree is in a month or so, once theyre finishing practicing, so ill have a better understanding of everything once I can actually go to the meetings
I’m really sorry to be salty. You’ve got the right attitude. Don’t let me tarnish your view of the craft.
I think my problem boils down to nostalgia. When I joined it was great. There was steady activity at the lodge, a lot of charitable work with the community, real strong Brotherhood, families getting together. It was really communal.
Then most of the Brothers I was close to coincidentally moved within a few years (mostly due to the state economy). At the same time we had several years of bad Masters who ran activities into the ground. Everything kinda went downhill, and I burnt out trying to get the lodge back to that level of energy when I was Master. It was especially maddening to see it get worse after.
Our lodge is probably a pretty rare case. Masonry is very much just like a family - sometimes they’re slightly less than functional. One thing I do know, it won’t take long for my dysfunctional Masonic family to pull itself together and become a thriving lodge again. After your degree you’ll understand why something like that is possible.
I wish you best of luck in your journey towards the East.
Can you tell me the story of Hiramm Abiff?
Sure. He was killed and then resurrected. It’s a familiar tale.
Where was he when he was killed?
How was he killed?
In the East with a blow to the head if memory serves. I’m a shitty Mason.
Take a picture of your 1st degree tracing board with your toes and a piece of fruit in the shot.
Who's the 33° member(s) that you dislike the most and why?
I only know a few off the top of my head, but the ones I’ve known are kinda stand-off-ish and arrogant. More importantly, from day one were told “Every 3rd degree Master Mason is equal and on the level with every other 3rd degree.” Then you find out there’s a high level, invitation-only group.
And THAT is where the second rung of the pyramid actually begins. You pretty much won't get past that without a direct familial line, and then you might begin to learn about the connections to the other branches.
My preference is to be a member of the Church built by Jesus Christ. You don't get guaranteed catered meals or earthly power and money, but you do achieve a measure of peace and an eternal afterlife in the glory of God...and you don't have to go through any man-made initiation, or ask a priest for permission, or be a Rockefeller to get it.
Names?
Nobody I know that’s noteworthy. One CT state rep who died a few years back, Al Adinolfi. If you go here and look at page C 5 you can see mention of a few others I know personally:
https://ctfreemasons.net/wp-content/uploads/ctfm_arch/LatestIssue.pdf
I saw a secret Mormon ritual (the whole veil thing) once. Yeah, he ripped it off. As for the man himself... my ex is ex Mormon.. She thought he invented the whole religion so he could cheat on his wife. That’s about all I know about him.
I did! I have an old copy that’s never read (It’sa beautiful copy) but I’ve listened to the audiobook 2-3 times.
Any craziness in the 32nd degree?
Are the stories of the 33rd even remotely true?
Do you think claims of Satan worship are true or disinfo, and would you tell us the truth either way?
32nd. No, just a nice catered meal beforehand. I don’t even remember the actual degree (Scottish Rite is weird, degrees 4-32 are all just short plays you watch, they all kinda blur together.)
33rd: who knows. It’s an honorarium degree given by other 33rds. I’ve never seen anything about it other than that. My personal feeling: that’s where the Jesuits got their hooks in. In order to be invited you need to pretty much devote your free time to Masonry, to the point where you get noticed by them, and they know you better than you know them. They could be completely benign, or could be trans-species lizard cock people for all I know.
As for Satan.. nothing I’ve seen in the 32 degrees, but again... who knows with 33rds.
Buddhist.
How integral is Albert Pike to today's Freemasons? Have you read morals and dogma? What do you think of Pikes use of hegelian dialectics?
If I can speak plainly, if there WAS a conspiracy to control the population then why is masonry complicit in Zionist overthrow of the system? It doesn't seem like masons are in charge of anything. To put it another way. The zionist coup seems counterproductive to any notion of "freedom" I can muster. Do masons regret playing nice with the jews? How do you "square" the ideals of the founding fathers with what we see in America today?
To be honest I’ve never seen anyone mention him in or about lodge. I had (might still have) a couple of his books. I read M&D, but sadly it’s pretty lost in memory fog.
As for Zionism... I’d like to know more myself. While I’m Jewish by blood I’m pretty anti-Zionism, and pretty much think Israel is the root of a lot of... things. But I’ve never really looked into the connection between Masonry and Zionism. For what it’s worth, there’s a lodge that’s almost entirely all Jews in New Haven, CT (Cosmopolitan lodge). And founding fathers.. I think they had the right idea. Deism and such, and they didn’t know how to structure a government so they based it loosely on Masonic governance. Let’s put it this way, it’s oddly familiar to hear the oath of office that representatives swear.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm
This is the best resource I've found to put together all the incongruous information about the world wars. An inside man, if you will.
I meant no offense. When I say "jew" I really mean zionist. My understanding is they've wormed their way into the structure and are pretending to represent all, as Catholics are famous for with their pedophiles. I take the name of a courageous jew here to remind me not to hate everyone.
You weren't traditionally raised? Do you/have you practiced kol nidre on the day of atonement?
I’ll check that out, thanks.
No offense taken, I’m an adult. ?
I was raised the complete opposite of anything traditional. My atheist pretend-Jew mom (the Jewish side of the family) sent me to synagogue to make her parents happy, but told me “oh just pretend there’s a God.” Meanwhile I had genuine curiosity about God, spirituality, etc. I probably would’ve (and I’ve attended synagogue a few times as an adult). I even toyed with studying Chabbad.
Why do people feel the need to flash symbols identifying them as such. Like Elon Musk at the end of his opening monolgue on SNL.
Herd mentality.
Did they have anything to offer theologically - or historically - Which may have provided you with insight? Like you state, it seems like they haven’t been on the “frontline” of anything in a long time, the parasite may have moved to a new host for a new era, hosts like corporate boards and regulatory “think tanks”, as the power of fraternal organizations waned.
I’m of two minds. The pro-Mason side of me says they were critical in filling the gaps where theology falls short. More specific obligations to prioritize your family, community, world for example. Other obligations are towards charity. There’s also an aspect I heard over the years: that you are the average of those you surround yourself with. If it’s a group people who are focused on improving their lives (and their families, community, etc), your life would reflect that.
That said, a lot of these might’ve been important back before there were schools, positive role models, literacy, iodine in our food supply... I don’t think they’re effective at helping as much as they used to.
You cry too much.
Modern masonry is unfortunately just a boys club now, no longer teaching the mysteries. Those at the higher levels are aware of this, but 99% aren't going to be practicing or having any understanding if magick anymore.
What’s funny is, I had a weird idea that there might be mysticism in it before I joined, but dismissed it once I was in and saw everyone just argued over how much to spend on the building. “Hidden mysteries of Masonry” were alluded to in ritual, but the old timers always said “oh the mystery is how to get along with other men.” That may be true, who knows. But years later Masons and non-Masons are started talking about the esoteric side of Masonry online, and even in lodge the subject crept in a little. I did a fair amount of research into it, and came to the conclusion that they either lost the ancient secrets or hid them from their own Brothers.
I've long held the belief that back in the days of the Revolution, the TPTB saw the power of free men and fraternity...and infiltrated and gutted it from the inside.
how old's your mother? Mine's 183
Somewhere between 150 and 250. I don’t want to be specific because I’ll probably be Bro-doxxed and brought up on charges based on my other comments ?
100% hidden in plain sight. I partly understand why they do it, but I think they're dropping the ball. You'd learn far more from Eastern traditions than masonry at this point. Of course even in the eastern traditions you'll get beat over the head by masters telling you to ignore all mythical experiences. Both west and east shun real magick people should ask themselves why that is.
I spent some time in a zen monastery. Being beating over the head is almost literal ???
Yup I'm well aware ?
But that's how it is, if you want to see real magick just observe children a child could run circles around these Zen masters. Their mind isn't rigid which is what is needed to see magick. Once you see if you'll realize you've been getting robbed since childhood.
That’s the rub. You can go as high as 32, but you have to be invited to become a 33rd.
Hello brother :)
gives fancy pants handshake chest bump low ear whisper ?
You got me in the Kafka trap. Grats.
My father is a Mason. He's told me that it simply isn't worth the hassle and that it's basically a "boy's club."
What did you expect to learn when you joined that you did not?
I’m not sure what I expected to be honest. I needed positive guy friends and I got that. But I mostly wanted to help out the Brothers and the community and be part of something important. Instead we spend $50,000/year on building upkeep and give a $500 annual scholarship to a relative of one of the members.