Why do you refuse that they were simply told to do it? This is exactly the crux of the matter.

Why do you think there will be detractors? Those detractors like Saddam and Gaddafi have already been killed. There are no rouges left. You think the king of Thailand is someone who can say no? Or maybe the king of Saudi Arabia?

They have them all by their balls, anyone who dares opposing them knows what will be coming to him.

I get your point about the medical system and in a way the larger technological apparatus. Of course all of those doctors are like you said, just playing by the book. I read some of Jacques Ellul work and I think I know where you are coming from.

But I beg to differ if anyone thinks that something as huge as the changes and coordinated efforts on all fronts in 2020 were simply getting along with the system. It was obviously a part of a sinister plan well coordinated in advance.

I am sure you got through this information already, but If I may suggest some research on China for everyone else reading this:

Two-gun Cohen and Sun Yat Sen wife

David Sassoon

And I have a quick post here that may shed some light on China.

We have very good examples of dictatorships like Egypt and Thailand who simply took orders from above. Those dictators did not have any people begging them to do something. In fact some people in poorer countries starved due to the lock-downs especially day to day workers.

In the US and Europe were brainwashing is more highly efficient they were able to fool a lot of sheep to ask for their enslavement. But in all of the poorer countries and dictatorships who lacked such propaganda they simply used brute force. They took orders from above. Dictatorships even received IMF money as soon as they imposed restrictive measures.

Do you think the trodden down Iranian or Saudi people asked for lock-downs and their governments had to comply?

Orders came from above.

But who's the shepherd?

Absolutely, it's been more than 20 years since September 11th, it could only go downhill from there.

It's more likely that if there are any good guys left that they are the ones who have to hide themselves and not the other way round.

You have to consider they also work for the Mossad (i.e. jewish).

In short, vaccines are more precise and accurate as a delivery mechanism.

I don't know what toxic clouds are all about.

Even the whole convid hoax thing was not just about vaccines which were not as lethal as some still believe, they were setting the ground for a lot more than that. Everything they are doing has a multi-generational aspect to it.

I've been doing some reading on the topic and it seems Putin got his mind and ideas shaped by Dugin, Dugin got his ideas from the Iuzhinskii Circle (Similar to German Thule society), and Iuzhinskii Circle founder Iurii Mamleev got his ideas from the Theosophical Society started by Kabbalist Helena Blavatsky.

All goes back to the same group of jewish mind subvertors.

I suppose many normies fall for the us vs them of the cold war and never consider the fact that there are always hidden agreements and facades. Things are not what they seem to be.

It is for this very reason that big hoaxes like the moon landing and September 11th are still important to educate about. It necessarily will change your entire world view.

Shoes are not even the same.

Vaccineimpact.com posted a video showing some alleged footage before the earthquake. (Start at 12:07) I can't verify if they are authentic or not.

I guess we will never really know, just like Haiti earthquake or Beirut nuked by israel.

Let me try to understand your viewpoint a little better. You make the presumption that MBS is one of the "good" guys because of things like the Khashoggi affair? Because if he is working for them they wouldn't oust him like that or claim he is a dictator? Maybe Trump wouldn't blackmail him so much? I hope I am not too far from your thinking.

To imagine my viewpoint a little better, you just have to think of the world as one giant corrupt corporation, the CEOs are the Rabbis and jewish bankers.

The heads of departments are people like Erdogan, MBS, Trump, Putin, etc..

The CEOs steal the big chunks, they also let their heads of departments steal some part, they love it if those heads of departments are also competing amongst themselves and amongst their underlings. It makes them more subservient and weaker.

IMO Khashoggi is pretty much dead and probably killed the same way Turkey said he was. It was a great chance for Erdogan to make some money, we will never know how much money he blackmailed MBS for the whole deal, we won't also know how much the US took, everyone took a cut.

When MBS first took power, he wasn't very stable in his rule, remember the Ritz Carlton affair? He had to subdue his own family. He was in no position to negotiate good deals with his masters so he has to give a lot more concessions than his predecessors who were all also puppets BTW, but there are degrees to this kind of thing and they may have had more autonomy.

The same story happened with Al-Sisi where he has to give more because he is in a weaker position than Mubarak was. And Mubarak was in a weaker position than Al-Sadat and Al-Sadat was in a weaker position than Nasser! You get the idea!

Thx for the tip, this is the first time I find out about black cube.

I have heard and read about the Al-Saud jewish origins for a long time. I have no decisive proof on the matter. They are quite obedient to the jews and have advanced their agendas but this is something that Shabbos goys can also do.

Now about MBS, don't fool yourself by thinking that a world "leader" can break away from the NWO. Anyone who does that will be killed, think of Saddam and Gaddafi.

MBS played along with the convid hoax, vaccinated his people and was one of the countries with the highest rates of mask wearing.

Why the claims about him being a dictator? Ehm... maybe, because he is one? This doesn't change if he is with the NWO or against them BTW, Saddam was a dictator but he was against the NWO at his last stages.

Start watching the video at 52 seconds

It seems that the long term plan is to move everything online. They will use any excuse to get the people used to pod life. Won't make a difference if Erdogan or someone else is in charge, they will all follow orders from the jews.

Turkey is very close to becoming absolutely tyrannical like China, you have all the systems of control in place.

It's been a while since I checked his work, thanks for the heads up!

Thank you for all the time you have given, I will always be grateful. All the best.

You have a solid point there which no one can argue with, many people say nigger and such which in essence is not different if not worst than flat earth for a normie. I guess It depends on the audience one is targeting.

If it comes to me and if I were the mod, I would not censor anyone for their ideas. Last few days was actually the first time I looked into flat earth and I learned a lot from our conversations. The Flat Earth model is not as preposterous as it first seems, you have everything worked out. If Flat Earth was relegated to a link on the side I would have never clicked it and learned anything.

So if I understand you correctly, you mean it's hottest at the equator not due to the angle as the ball model suggests but also due to proximity sense the FE model proposes a "spot light" which is much smaller and closer and then proximity to it affects heat much more than angle.

But in regards to tilting, according to the standard ball model. The tilt doesn't change. Only ever so slightly which means the ball model also works for Polaris staying at the same observable position.

Let's at least wait a bit more and see how it goes. I actually understand your position very well. You are afraid that it will basically ruin the forum by dissuading the new comers and repulsing some of the old ones and then we end up with a completely flat earth forum talking to themselves.

Additionally, due to the contentious content, it may cause more flare-ups and posts that require moderation giving you more headaches

If I may, I would like to propose another solution:

-First, it might not be as bad as you are seeing it now and projecting it for the future, they may have had an increased activity due to the balloon thing. Maybe it will calm down a bit later. If it increases to the extent that most of the hot posts end up all FE then you can take drastic action.

-Second, as an unorthodox solution. Whenever a flat earther spams too many posts about it on daily basis and keeps fighting with everyone etc.. You just send them a template copy paste text on how they should minimize their "activism", not because you are censoring or that you think they are pricks and such, but because this would drive away new comers to this forum and they would end without an audience or anyone to preach to. If they continue then maybe they are indeed feds. (Basically, censorship but minimal to keep them in check)

-Third, if you are the only one doing the modding I can imagine how hard it must be doing this since you are not getting paid by the hour. You might want to experiment with adding mods on your side, maybe multiple part time ones.

NAY

Let nature take its course. The beauty of this place is that it's free.

I wouldn't trust them even if they said she is dead. Those people live in an enclosed world of mega mansions, yachts and secrecy and they can get away with whatever claims they make.

Wait and see, Also in royalty world they could even say someone is dead when they are alive and alive when they are dead.