I really like JD Vance, actually... much better than the radioactive stupidity of Fuentes/Tate and all of their ilk.

Even if I agree with a lot of Fuentes' core beliefs, I think he is an idiot incapable of convincing others. This selfish mindset reminds me of the MGTOW phenomenon of the 2010s... I can't blame any western men who look around at the current system and say "fuck it" and check out and focus on getting theirs.

But these men are not the men we should be following. They are charlatans. They say controversial things because it benefits them first and foremost. But it adds nothing.

Vance isn't perfect. He is definitely infected at some level with the woke virus from his days at Yale, but maybe he has actually overcome it. Many of us have. But I do think he understands the issues affecting middle america better than most, and we need that.

It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia

Only issue I have with this is assuming "unfounded" = "innocent."

I wish it were that easy. I work in social services (mostly with special needs adults, though I did do a six month stint in a juvenile-corrections environment) and have been involved in a number of investigations, including a couple that I initiated.

Saw a guy (staff) take a juvenile off camera and beat the shit out of him. I reported this incident, and was interviewed for it, but every other person was apparently looking the other way and wouldn't throw him under the bus, so it was unfounded.

In another case, staff was off drinking in her car while an older individual with pretty severe disabilities laid in a puddle of her own urine for several hours. The other idiot on duty with her lied to cover her and that investigation also concluded as 'unfounded.'

Thankfully, in the second case I was in management and both employees have long since been terminated.

Not saying your overall point isn't correct. I believe it is. But my experience with investigations is that anything based purely on witness testimony will come back unfounded.

I can speak to this a little. I lived in S.Korea from 2014-2019. By the time I left, the "american" franchises had exploded, and so had the koreans waistlines.

I had a very wise friend who pointed out this was how the US took over the world -- not with guns and bombs but by infecting the world with our bullshit corporatism.

I haven't been in a debate with a leftist about this in a long time - I have mostly cut the cancer out of my life.

But if I had a chance, I would try to pinpoint exactly what kind of diversity crosses their red line. Do you want to include people who diametrically oppose what you believe in?

I believe if you press them, you can get them to admit this. If not, they aren't arguing in good faith or are retarded. Once you have established that ALL diversity isn't good you can either convince them further or give up.

Gonna be a lot of giving up, to be fair.

Oh you really are a little troll, ain't'cha?

I'll be patiently waiting here for you to read and respond to anything I said.

I won't be holding my breath for it, though.

You know -- I don't really care if I am lecturing a wall.

Because I would always rather say the truth and hope it has some effect than say nothing.

It does lend itself to a lot of wasted time, I will grant you that.

I am sitting next to my wife right now.

I am not saying what I am saying to be perjorative towards women or men. I gave you an explanation of why the phenomenon you pointed out happens. It has nothing to do with the culture or mores you put on top of it -- you could find equivalent examples within any culture if you look.

The human male is the stronger of the two sexes. Its role is to provide and protect its mate and its family. Part of the consideration of the human male is to find and court a suitable mate that is worth protecting.

The human female is inarguably more valuable than the human male - in a purely biological sense. You have known this since you were a child. If humanity were ever reduced to one woman and a hundred men, we would be absolutely doomed, whereas we could in theory rebuild the species with one man and 100 women.

So, it is the job of both men and women to ensure this solid family pairing happens. That is why it is not a problem when a woman "mates upward" because a higher status man can better provide. It's actually really simple.

But by the same logic, once a woman mates downward -- especially if that mating creates offspring -- it's over. Ask any single mother how easy it is find a good man. You could also go look at the data on step-parents and abuse and neglect.

So: what are you proposing? We just ignore our biology? We just... ignore these realities? Encourage men to marry downwards and encourage women not to preserve their value? Do you really think this is possible and/or desireable?

Because, to me... that sounds a lot like the hubris liberals look at the world.

We are animals. We are mammals. We can look at gorillas and dolphins (other intelligent and highly evolved mammals) and draw comparisons.

If you really believe what you are saying is true, replicate it with literally any mammal on earth. I believe such a thing is impossible, but I am a good scientist who is open to having my mind changed. But that takes actual hard data that to this point does not exist.

Humans have a very well-developed prefrontal cortex. This allows for critical thinking and higher executive functioning -- but all too often this just puts window dressing on basic biological and mammalian behaviors.

I will never understand why evolutionary psychology is so scary to people. We are just animals in an ecosystem. Stop trying to change us and change the ecosystem.

While I agree (mostly) with your final sentence I just want to clarify something. It is not that white man/black woman is okay and the opposite is not, it is about the social hierarchy.

It is always okay for a woman to marry upwards - evolutionarily speaking they will be better protected and have better offspring with a better protector/provider.

By the same token, it is really unfortunate when women marry downwards, because it reduces their value forever. Once a woman deems it acceptable to lower her value down to someone else's level, it is generally reduced forever.

Even some of the normies in my life are seeing it. Two weeks ago my non-political wife sent me an article about turbocancer saying "it's starting."

Just today my normie colleague was talking about all the people she knew who died despite being vaxxed and boosted. I asked if it was multiple organ failure - it was (Remdesivir). She went on to say she knows four people who have either dropped dead or suddenly had stage 4 cancer.

The normies can 100% see it

I suspect when we're sifting through the rubble of whatever horror is coming we're going to find the ultimate culprit was man's old nemesis: hubris.

Somewhere between 2002 and 2020, Fauci started believing he was closer to God than man. He was already a corrupt piece of shit before the turn of the century, but he at least shows common sense here.

No, something happened that made a bunch of good and ostensibly smart people say "after all, why not, why shouldn't I engage in this risky and unethical behaviors?" and make the wrong conclusion.

I think the other possibility is just as likely at this point:

They got caught up in trying to be God so bad they never stopped to see if they were succeeding.

This is what happens when you think you're a good person because of your political views (remember those stupid fucking signs in NPC's yards in 2020?). You can never admit you're wrong because being wrong is evil.

You can't trust anyone who lends any sort of legitimacy to Jung, Freud, and the rest of the Psychoanalysts.

JP stands out because he's a dyed-in-the-wool academic who says obvious things. He's useful as a gateway for people questioning the orthodoxy and as a primer for bigger and harsher truths... but that's about it.

Couple of thoughts:

• the fact these decisions were all split down ideological lines suggests to me that the political climate in the usa has deteriorated to a point where even milquetoast losers like roberts and kav felt it was time to issue substantive rulings to rein it in a little. I wish they went further with EPA but happy at the decisiveness of Dobbs.

• Dobbs may have significant ramifications down the road for a healthy judiciary. As Alito wrote, protecting a flimsy Roe decision has 'choked' the judiciary and hung over every nominee for more than a generation. Maybe someday, if the US government can ever be reined in a little, this will matter a tremendous amount.

Yeah, Politically Incorrect was great.

He moved to LA when he started New Rules and from like... 2005 to 2016 it became absolute shit. 2016-2020 was the worst because Maher had raging TDS.

I only know all this because my mother watched religiously and would send me clips like it would change my mind.

Now that he sounds like me she's turned him off. Damn.

That's the takeaway from it -- I think he feels stuck behind enemy lines at this point and is just hoping the insanity blows over before he has to make any serious decisions about where to take his schtick.

Maher's not a moron. He lives in LA -- I have to imagine he's seen the depths of the liberal madness first hand.

I've seen it, too.

It's that moment you realize 'they' have no intention to argue in good faith, don't care about facts, and will do anything to advance their agenda except practice introspection.

I suspect Maher is scared -- actually scared. He knows he won't be spared; he'll be one of the first ones against the wall if the Left wins.

Should have.

But that makes some bold assumptions about the human psyche. Turns out dealing with cognitive dissonance is easy when the media and all these politicians reinforce the party line.

I suspect the nature of the NHS made the underlying data more readily available to the bureaucrats. They could see what was coming, and decided to back off.

In the US the pharma companies literally run the regulatory boards and the data have been cooked for years. There are some who will be completely blindsided by the failure of these shots - yes, even still.

Sounds similar to health insurance in the us. Yep, first order of business will be finding reasons to rescind as many policies as possible, then we will see life insurance companies emphasizing the clotshot to nullify payouts and THAT would presumably be when SHTF

COVID Cultists who took the sacrament, but whose faith is failing them.

I actually had one of those vanishingly rare productive conversations with an ideological opponent the other day about this issue. They were exasperated that even the "Trump sheep" weren't buying his clotshot shilling.

For Trump supporters, the old line still rings true: The media takes Trump literally but not seriously, and his supporters take him seriously but not literally. I have no doubt that Trump loves America, but I do doubt he always surrounds himself with like-minded individuals.

That said, I wouldn't buy a used car from the guy.

If he is content with Trump Clotshots going on the same pile as Trump University and Trump Steaks and a whole host of other failed Trump-branded ventures, then more power to him. It is looking more and more like a catastrophic failure every day, but more power to him.

I have a little more hope than you do.

The charade is already becoming untenable. They'll need to cross another Rubicon to keep it going.

I don't think you're wrong, per se, just expressing a more pessimistic view than my own.

Here we are on the first day of Winter and the 'vaccine' failure is laid manifest.

This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone here or on any of the communities. The elites have strapped themselves to this "perfectly safe and effective" treatment that is neither.

How much longer will the sheep go along with the charade? I suspect the cognitive dissonance is becoming downright painful.

Yep. To be honest Joe Biden is just a distraction. He is too demented to even understand how much people hate him - the real worker bees behind the scenes are humming along unabated.