Don't get me wrong - Bergoglio is a jesuit NWO goblin. But still it's a low effort post.
The Vatican has been compromised by the CIA and the globalists since Vatican II. All Popes are curated by the cabal and are towing the same NWO agenda. Catholics need to wake up and leave this ridiculous cult.
Amazing propaganda. Goebbels would be proud.
As opposed to Leo? He seems worse.
Not addressing anything, just trolling. You're cooked on both sides. I'm done with your bs.
You want me to listen to an hour long speech by a "former jew" instead of you telling me in your own aryan words? You must respect jews very much. Do they have authority over you? Isn't Jesus a gentile - why do you need jews to tell you He's one of us?
You don't see how you contradict yourself with this idiotic post.
He read from the Bible that Jesus wasn't jewish, even though both both Gospels of Mathew and Luke give a genealogy, tracing Him back to Jacob? And even though Jesus pretty much constantly refers back to the OT hebrew tradition, fulfills prophecies, worships in the Temple and the synagogue, underwent all the jewish sacraments, is born in Judea and His mother was jewish? What was He if not jewish?
Tell me you never red the Bible outside of quote mines without telling me.
What's the verse this perfidious jew uses that got you convinced in his lies?
Why not answer my question in a single sentence instead? Where do you get knowledge of Who Jesus was and what ethnicity He was? Did this Freedman guy travel back in time to report this? Why should I trust anything a former jew says? Aren't jews born liars like their father the devil like your quote there says?
Saying I don't have no argument doesn't make it true. Nobody's buying your cheap rhetoric.
Materialism always reduces to determinism which makes knowledge impossible because if we're all determined in out output, then there's no evaluator who's able to choose between the true and the false proposition.
It's a self-refuting position. There's nothing to argue about. If a person can't grasp this rather simple argument, then they are either too low IQ and shouldn't bother with philosophical inquiry, or their mind is broken which as St. Paul says is a moral problem and not an intellectual one. Most atheists you see arguing online are the second category.
I recommend JimBob's channel - he loves the subject of free will and grills idiot atheists regularly: https://youtu.be/iqb_ncQpBnQ?t=345
They debase currencies, debase society, debase culture, debase art, debase education. If people are dumber, more dependent and more degenerate today than 100 years ago, they have succeeded. I consider people who run a 100-year global plan successfully to be smart. They know what moves people. They know how to compromise people. They know our human weaknesses and exploit them. But are people like Rothschild, Karl Marx or Soros really smart? Is being a demented wicked and calculating bullshit artist being intelligent? Is Satan smart or just cunning? Maybe not. Their hand is ultimately guided by a power that's way above their heads.
Looking at where they got society and how far we've come since Nathan, they have proven they can take care of the "unalienable assets" via social engineering, media, education, pharmaceuticals and diet. They have created a society that they can control on all levels - not just financially. It's Full Spectrum Dominance. The opposition is well taken care of too by subversion, shills, implants, psy ops.
The more books I read on the topic and look at how things are going, the more I realize how insightful, clever and resourceful those goblins are.
When you have no counter, just repeat what the opponent says. Do you think that works?
I'm sorry you got exposed for being full of shit. Christianity comes from the Abrahamic tradition which is jewish. Jesus was part of that tradition. Judaism being a heretical phariseical sect that rejects Christ doesn't change that.
Exactly. It ultimately boils down the the Truth behind all truths. We're in a spiritual warfare against the principalities not of this world. Today it's the malthusian transhumanist elite, tomorrow evil may take another form as it has done throughout history.
You'll notice people who reject Christ and blaspheme Him are the most deluded of all in normieland. They're literally in living hell without knowing it. "Spiritual death is worse than physical death. Make no mistake - the Church Fathers teach us that foretasting both heaven and hell start here on Earth, depending on how we orient our will - either towards God or against Him.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
- Romans 1
Rejection of God debases the mind. This is the reason they are blind to all this.
The exact same people who dismiss the increase in turbo-cancers act as though they would have been too smart to take thalidomide, or use DDT.
Yep. They are too dumb to understand that trusting the Science has proven lethal in the past, so even if you have trust in the system (why would you though - they literally say they hate you and want to depop you), it's not always reasonable to do so 100% and you should be skeptical of the quality and safety of tech in general, even if there's no ill intent (but there is).
The absurd amount of confidence normies have in the system is never rational or justified - it's the product of careful indoctrination and social engineering to create the desired behaviors and beliefs. They literally worship the system knowingly and unknowingly.
Yes. People today are too weak, soft and pampered. They are dependent on the fake and gay system that force feeds them sweet nothings, false comfort and false narratives since birth. The system creates good slaves and good slaves idolize their beast system and are willing to sacrifice themselves to it. Anyone who opposes the system is identified as the enemy. All by design of course.
Yeah, send me an hour plus long video instead of a straight answer to a simple question.
There's nothing that proves he's jewish.
Scripture and Church tradition is nothing? Where do you get your knowledge of the person Jesus Christ? What kind of a cult are you in?
Btw, your last panel literally says what I commented. At least read the stuff you post.
Based on what? On you liking Jesus but not the jews and struggling with the cognitive dissonance?
There's no point in arguing with people about this stuff really. Their beliefs are not rational and no amount of evidence will change it. They will just explain it away. Unless they get a shift in their paradigm, it's like talking to a wall. But there's a reason why normies still believe the mainstream narrative. The reason is that they're normies - they don't seek the truth, they don't challenge their beliefs, they don't change.
Jesus was of the tribe of Judah. Case closed.
"Origination and sending without begetting or procession or spiration": Yeah, it's over semantics. For a couple people it wasn't and they were heretics, and God knows who they are. For the rest, I won't argue the size of hypernormative connection. (And my larger point is that all schisms that remain might well be over semantics, as there will be a final resolution for each and it will be either semantics or one size being defined out forever. You do want the Filioque resolved, don't you?)
I literally gave you an example why the Orthodox and the Catholic position is not the same and you've blown past though it... Orthodoxy taches monarchical Trinitarianism - the Father is the origin of the Trinity. He begets the Son and spirates the Spirit. The theological consequences of the filioque are devastating. Here's a video explaining it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDwuQqPr-rM
The resolution of the filioque is for Rome to renounce this development and return to the original Nicaean creed. But you understand that admitting they've taught error for 1000 years will automatically destroy their whole system so that's not happening. Btw, as I already said if Rom falls, Protestantism falls too because you adopted their tradition and their teachings like the filioque.
No, you! I might say. I asked the difference, you didn't give an answer I comprehended and ultimately deferred the answer to authority, that's where it stands. Another pass on OrthodoxWiki doesn't find anything supporting "The True Church".
You don't have apostolic succession through Luther. Luther wasn't a bishop to begin with. He never claimed to have apostolic succession. He doesn't need it for his system which is based on personal inspiration, Sola Christus and Sola Scriptura. He literally made up that system to undermine the authority of the Pope which is guaranteed by tradition and apostolic succession. You're making up stuff to check the boxes you see that are missing in your system. This is idiocy.
If the mark of "The True Church" is that it does treat other professing churches as hypernormative, well it seems Rome has that mark too (and again it's just semantics about size).
That's not a mark but a necessary precondition. There are many things which define and identify the Church. The reason I call it the True Church is to set it apart from all the heterodox who use the term to denote multiple sects. The Church can only be one. There are no 100 bodies of Christ. There's no division within His Body either, but complete unity in sacraments and creed. Everyone is in communion in the Church through baptism and the Eucharist. The fullness of truth and grace is only in the Church. If "a Church" doesn't lay claim to being the single true Church, then it's definitely not it. Branch theory is unscriptural. But if you are a Lutheran and believe the Lutheran Church - the specific denomination that has common creed and tradition - is the true Church then you're past that hurdle. Now all you have to do is demonstrate how that's the case. You can't of course because of the stated above.
BTW there's no evidence Origen or Tertullian were excommunicated. Origen made big errors but the church was too polite to him to name him in their anathema against his errors. Tertullian reformed Montanism (Tertullianism) to bring it back to Christianity and was a great pontifex.
Correct, Origen wasn't excommunicated but his teachings were condemned. Tertullian left the Church for montanism. He didn't bring anything back to Christianity - he became the leader of that sect and influenced it but didn't return to the Church. His earlier writings are considered authoritative but he's not canonized as a saint.
I've said all along that calling it something like "origination and sending without procession or spiration" is just argument over the same thing with different definitions applying.
I just explained how that's not the case - is you being born of your father the same as your brother sending you to do some work? Maybe consider that theological disputes that led to the splitting of the Church are not over semantics?
All I have to do is invert. Our Church and Tradition judges that we have apostolic succession through Luther and that the Eastern Church are the heterodox by not agreeing with Luther when they had and have access (he tried!); and Eastern claims to the contrary have already been proven wrong by our tradition, even if it sounds silly and illogical to them and we don't explain it very well, because our tradition is The True Church. You see how it doesn't work in the reverse direction, and why I don't think it works in your direction either?
You can't because you don't have a Church and tradition, that's the point. You have denominations which agree on some things and disagree on other things. We've been over this. Luther's theology has nothing to do with what the Early Church teaches so pretending he was on the same footing as the Orthodox Church is just stupid. There were no "Luthers" in the first millennium. There was a universal apostolic and synodal Church. Actually there were guys like Luther but all of them were excomunicated like Nestorius, Valentian, Origen and Tertullian.
Which is why I say feel free to keep the theology of "exceptions for good reason" and be prepared to be called on any variances from that theology.
I don't keep anything. It's not up to me to pick and choose what the faith is. I am convinced EO is the true Church and I follow it a 100%.
But you don't feel qualified to answer about conscience from your own being born or catechized into Orthodoxy, you refer me to the bishop. Got it.
Exactly. If you want to learn about Orthodoxy you have to go to the physical Church and talk to the clergy. I can only reiterate the teachings of the Church and my opinions as an Orthodox layman. There's a hierarchy within the Church. You probably won't be talking to a bishop but to a priest who was ordained by the bishop. The bishops are those who have apostolic succession and lead the Church.
("Christ sent the Spirit"? Sounds like filioque to me! What is this change?)
No. This is the Orthodox teaching of the Church Fathers. The filioque claims double hypostatic procession of the Spirit and it has to do with the origin of the Spirit. The Spirit spirates from the Father, not the Son. The Son sending the Spirit is the Spirit originating from Him.
But there it sounds like you know for certain that all Protestants are disconnected from extranormative unity. That sounds like arguing over the size of the exception, that's all.
I knew you would go there and that's why I emphasized extranormative union applies to exceptions where there's good reason for the person not to be received in the Church through normative means. This is not the case with Protestants today, who have access to the Church but choose not to come to it out of their own volition and because they persist in their heterodox teachings.
Protestants typically reject "sheep-stealing" and so I generally stick with where my family grew up because I have vital connection. If someone says I must lose something I have in Christ to join their church, that's suspicious, and my perception of what is loss must be tested as well as their own perception of gain.
Leading sheep back to the Church is sheep saving actually. In th end you have to choose between the world and Christ. If the Truth leads you away from your community and family, so be it.
Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.
- Matthew 16:24
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.
- Matthew 10:34-36
Yes, might makes right can't be Christian because only God is the standard for what's right and only God is almighty and everyone else's might is given to them by God.
As stated in Scripture, God sometimes allows pagan nations to oppress His people (in our case the Christian nations, not the jews) when they become degenerate and apostatize. This is exactly what's happening today - our own degeneracy has led us to be subjugated by the oppressive technocratic elite that seeks to enslave us in their beast system much like Nebuchadnezzar did in the OT.
Is Nick a darwinist? I forgot Catholics embrace theistic evolution which is retarded.
The Eastern Orthodox Church. It is the Church of the apostles that Christ established and which has kept the faith unchanged.
Catholicism is premised on the indefectibility and infallible teachings of the Pope. The whole system hinges on one person. The problem is not that the Church is infected with marxism, but that the Pope himself teaches marxism (that would be every Pope since Vatican II).