You don't get what I'm asking you and it's a question that's prior to anything said in that video. You ultimately appeal to the Bible but the Bible didn't materialize out of the blue - it was compiled and preserved by the Church. But protestants don't believe in apostolic succession and the incorruptibility of the historic Church. This is a well-known contradiction in the protestant system, namely Sola Scriptura. Here's the defeater for it:
How did fallible men come up with an infallible Bible cannon and why do you believe the Bible was accurately preserved by those same people?
How did fallible men come up with an infallible Bible can[]on and why do you believe the Bible was accurately preserved by those same people?
The answer is whatever the Catholics say about this, since they say the gift of infallibility was not used in the compilation of the canon (but only once or twice, in recent history). Check.
That's a tu quoque. How does the Catholicism position being wrong help the Protestant position with that problem?
Also, your claim is false. The Catholic Vatican I teaching is that the magisterium (ordinary and extraordinary) can't teach error in any shape or form. The canon itself was declared infallible by the council of Trent.
Inerrancy is not infallibility, which was described by Vatican I as ex cathedra statements. Catholics argue that there are exactly one, two, seven, or some other small number of ex cathedra statements (I'm sure some include Trent too); I join in with them on this and propose zero (they have never fully demonstrated delivery of an ex cathedra statement). I'll give you Trent for inerrancy, but that didn't add anything to the Protestant doctrine either, because both relied on work done by the catholic orthodox church a thousand years prior.
Separately I stated that the Protestant position of OSAS is not hyper-Calvinism (something which no Reformer ever taught). Check.
I am aware of the distinction but both the Bible canon and magisterium teaching is declared infallible.
Ex cathedra papal statements are not the only type of infallible teachings. Those are indeed very rare. Councils represent another type of infallible extraordinary definitions. The third type is ordinary and universal magisterium or bishops worldwide definitive doctrinal teachings.
but that didn't add anything to the Protestant doctrine either, because both relied on work done by the catholic orthodox church a thousand years prior.
Exactly. This was why I went after OP. This is where Sola Scriptura fumbles and crashes if one is consistent with the position. RC and Orthodoxy are in the clear because both affirm apostolic succession, the infallibility of ecumenical councils and Church historicity (the Church being a both divine and human institution, the Body of Christ, here on Earth guided by the Spirit).
Separately I stated that the Protestant position of OSAS is not hyper-Calvinism (something which no Reformer ever taught). Check.
No reformer taught OSAS to begin with. It is a later development and I understand not all Protestants believe it. Reformers taught that one can loose their salvation if they apostatize and fall away (or that they never had true faith if that happens). OP believes it though and I was arguing against his flavor of protestantism.
You don't get what I'm asking you and it's a question that's prior to anything said in that video. You ultimately appeal to the Bible but the Bible didn't materialize out of the blue - it was compiled and preserved by the Church. But protestants don't believe in apostolic succession and the incorruptibility of the historic Church. This is a well-known contradiction in the protestant system, namely Sola Scriptura. Here's the defeater for it:
How did fallible men come up with an infallible Bible cannon and why do you believe the Bible was accurately preserved by those same people?
The answer is whatever the Catholics say about this, since they say the gift of infallibility was not used in the compilation of the canon (but only once or twice, in recent history). Check.
That's a tu quoque. How does the Catholicism position being wrong help the Protestant position with that problem?
Also, your claim is false. The Catholic Vatican I teaching is that the magisterium (ordinary and extraordinary) can't teach error in any shape or form. The canon itself was declared infallible by the council of Trent.
Inerrancy is not infallibility, which was described by Vatican I as ex cathedra statements. Catholics argue that there are exactly one, two, seven, or some other small number of ex cathedra statements (I'm sure some include Trent too); I join in with them on this and propose zero (they have never fully demonstrated delivery of an ex cathedra statement). I'll give you Trent for inerrancy, but that didn't add anything to the Protestant doctrine either, because both relied on work done by the catholic orthodox church a thousand years prior.
Separately I stated that the Protestant position of OSAS is not hyper-Calvinism (something which no Reformer ever taught). Check.
I am aware of the distinction but both the Bible canon and magisterium teaching is declared infallible.
Ex cathedra papal statements are not the only type of infallible teachings. Those are indeed very rare. Councils represent another type of infallible extraordinary definitions. The third type is ordinary and universal magisterium or bishops worldwide definitive doctrinal teachings.
Exactly. This was why I went after OP. This is where Sola Scriptura fumbles and crashes if one is consistent with the position. RC and Orthodoxy are in the clear because both affirm apostolic succession, the infallibility of ecumenical councils and Church historicity (the Church being a both divine and human institution, the Body of Christ, here on Earth guided by the Spirit).
No reformer taught OSAS to begin with. It is a later development and I understand not all Protestants believe it. Reformers taught that one can loose their salvation if they apostatize and fall away (or that they never had true faith if that happens). OP believes it though and I was arguing against his flavor of protestantism.