[part 2]

yahweh is a sub logos, right? like only in charge of the solar system?

This is a fascinating and complex question that gets to a specific and nuanced part of the Ra Material's cosmology. The short answer is, "Yes, according to the Ra Material, Yahweh is a sub-Logos, and a powerful one, but their role is not that of a single, all-knowing solar system manager."

Let's break down this concept:

The Hierarchy of Creation In the Ra Material, creation is a hierarchical process that stems from the Infinite Creator.

The Infinite Creator: The source of all, an undifferentiated state of unity.

The Logos: The first "thought" or creative principle of the Infinite Creator. A Logos is a kind of intelligent energy that creates and manages an entire galaxy. It sets the fundamental laws and conditions for the evolution of consciousness within its domain.

The Sub-Logos: A star or a solar system is considered a sub-Logos. It is a smaller creative principle that works within the parameters set by the galactic Logos. Our Sun, for example, is a sub-Logos. It is a conscious being that provides the energy and structure for the planets within its system to develop and evolve.

Yahweh's Specific Role Ra states that Yahweh is a social memory complex (a collective consciousness) that acted as a sub-Logos for Earth. They were a benevolent, well-meaning entity from a higher density that sought to help humanity by providing a set of laws and guidance to accelerate their spiritual evolution.

However, Ra explains that this well-intentioned intervention had a mixed outcome. While Yahweh's laws (like the Ten Commandments) were meant to provide a path towards positive polarity and spiritual growth, they were misinterpreted by some as a system of moral judgment and punishment, creating further distortions and karmic debt for those who followed them.

Key Distinctions Not the Creator: Yahweh is a creator in the sense of a co-creator, but not the ultimate Infinite Creator or the galactic Logos. They are a being (or a group of beings) with a specific, limited role.

Focused on a Specific Population: Yahweh's influence was particularly focused on a specific group of people on Earth, not the entire solar system.

A Manager, Not a Judge: Their role was to manage the spiritual evolution of a particular group, not to act as a cosmic judge "analyzing" every individual. The karma system, as we discussed, is an automatic law of the universe, not something administered by a single entity.

The Law of Free Will: Yahweh, like Ra, operates under the Law of Free Will and can only intervene when an entity asks for help or is receptive to their guidance. They cannot force or bypass an entity's free will.

So, while Yahweh is indeed a sub-Logos, their story in the Ra Material is a cautionary tale about the complexities of intervention and the distortions that can arise when higher-level teachings are passed down to a lower density. It highlights the idea that true spiritual growth must come from within, and that even the most benevolent guidance can be misunderstood.

you were saying yahweh isn't in charge of this karma.. it's the universe

You've hit on a core concept of the Ra Material, and you're correct: Yahweh is not in charge of karma. Instead, karma is a natural law of the universe, much like gravity.

How it Works: The Law of Cause and Effect The universe, being a manifestation of the One Infinite Creator, operates on fundamental principles of balance and harmony. When you perform an action, think a thought, or have a feeling that goes against the principle of unity—which is the "all is one" concept—you create an energetic imbalance. This imbalance is karma.

Think of it like a ripple effect. If you throw a stone into a still pond (the universe in a state of unity), it creates ripples. The water doesn't "punish" the stone; it simply responds to the disturbance. Those ripples continue until the energy is absorbed and the surface becomes calm again.

Similarly, when you create a karmic distortion, the universe doesn't judge you. It simply initiates a process to return to balance. This is an automatic, self-correcting mechanism. The "bad luck" you might experience is just the universe providing you with the necessary experiences (what Ra calls "catalysts") to learn from your actions and work through the imbalance you created.

Yahweh, as a sub-Logos, is a powerful being who has influenced humanity, but they are not the administrator of this universal law. Their role, as described by Ra, was more about providing a specific set of guidelines to a certain population to help them evolve, which unfortunately led to some misunderstandings. Karma, on the other hand, is an impersonal, universal principle that applies to all beings and densities.

so you just gotta be cool about whatever's going down and don't get too flustered?

Your summary gets right to the heart of the matter. While it's not about being emotionless, a key takeaway from the Ra Material is that developing a calm and accepting demeanor is incredibly powerful.

It’s not that you can't feel frustration or sadness. Those are natural human emotions. The goal isn't to suppress them or be "fake cool." The work is to recognize those feelings without letting them control you.

Responding, Not Reacting The core idea is to shift from reacting to responding.

Reacting is when you get flustered, angry, or pessimistic, letting the "catalyst" of the situation take over your thoughts and emotions. This reinforces the negative energy and can attract more of the same.

Responding is when you acknowledge the difficult feelings—"I am feeling frustrated right now"—but you don't let them dictate your next move. Instead, you choose to respond with a state of inner peace and acceptance.

This doesn't mean you have to like what's happening. It means you accept that it's a part of your reality at this moment and that it's there for a reason. By not getting "too flustered," you are essentially saying, "I am not going to feed this negative experience with my own negative energy."

This state of calm and acceptance is not a passive one; it's a powerful act of conscious creation. By staying calm, you stop the karmic cycle of resistance and create space for the solution to appear.

yeah but what if you got this constant anxiety all the time about whatever situation you're in.

Anxiety is a state of being in resistance to the present moment, which is a significant distortion in the context of the Ra Material. According to these teachings, constant anxiety creates a persistent negative vibration that can attract more difficult "catalysts" into your life.

How Anxiety Creates a Distortion Resistance to "What Is": Anxiety is the mind's way of fighting against the current reality or an imagined future one. It's a refusal to accept the present moment. This resistance creates an inner conflict that vibrates at a very different frequency than the state of unity and peace.

Fueling the Negative Cycle: When you constantly worry, you're projecting a future of fear and loss. The universe, in its impersonal and mirroring way, responds to this dominant vibration by presenting you with experiences that match it. This can lead to a self-perpetuating cycle where your fears seem to be confirmed, which in turn causes more anxiety.

Blocking Positive Energy: A state of constant anxiety is like a closed door. It prevents you from seeing opportunities, solutions, or even the subtle guidance that might be present to help you. It consumes your energy and focus, leaving little room for a shift in perspective.

The Path of Acceptance The Ra Material suggests that the true work is to move toward acceptance rather than suppress the anxiety. This doesn't mean you have to be happy about your situation; it means you learn to observe your anxiety without being consumed by it.

Acknowledge and Release: You can acknowledge the feeling of anxiety ("I am feeling anxious right now") without identifying with it ("I am an anxious person"). This simple act of observation creates a small amount of distance between you and the feeling.

Focus on the Present Moment: The source of anxiety is almost always a thought about the past or the future. By intentionally bringing your focus back to the present moment—what you can see, hear, or feel right now—you interrupt the loop of anxious thought.

Embrace the Catalyst: Ra would suggest that this anxiety itself is the catalyst. The challenge isn't the external situation but your inner response to it. The spiritual lesson is to find a way to be at peace despite the external circumstances, and to trust that your inner state of calm will eventually lead to a more harmonious external reality.

[part 8]

Add-on.. was going through my old posts earlier today looking for something and this kind of ties in.

"In that World hierarchy pyramid, infographic, the 1st triad of highest ranking angels are the Seraphim, Cherubim and Ophanim. These are bizarre creatures. I'm there.. let's find some animations of them. Found 3D little clips but they were separate so I put them together in a vid. 1 minute 15 sec."

https://cdn.videy.co/nFRz1yhD.mp4

You see what his bodyguards look like.

[part 7]

Don't you think it's odd how yahweh doesn't just exterminate lucifer and have him be dead and not exist, if he doesn't like him that much?

That's a profound and very common philosophical question. The idea that a powerful being would simply not allow a troublesome creature to exist seems like a straightforward solution.

The theological explanation for why God doesn't just "exterminate" Lucifer and the other fallen angels has to do with the nature of divine justice and God's relationship to His creation.

Here's the reasoning behind it:

Divine Justice: In this view, God's justice is not just about removing a problem; it's about giving a consequence that is fitting for the crime. The sin of Lucifer and the fallen angels was a direct, willful rebellion against an infinite and eternal God. The argument is that the consequence of this sin must also be eternal. Simply making them "not exist" might not be seen as a just punishment for such an immense cosmic crime.

The Nature of Being: From a theological perspective, angels and human souls are created as eternal beings. To simply un-create them would be seen as a contradiction to their very nature. Their existence, once granted by God, is permanent, and the consequences of their choices are also permanent.

A Permanent Example: The fate of Lucifer and his crew serves as an eternal, public example to the rest of creation—both for humanity and the angels who remained faithful—of the consequences of rebelling against God. Their perpetual existence in damnation is a permanent testimony to the seriousness of sin and the ultimate triumph of God's authority. Annihilation would, in a sense, erase that lesson from history.

well.. let's get back to those celestial events that are clues the rapture is going on. It seems pretty major and like it happens all of a sudden? Nothing like oh they see something going on in the sky for a while first?

That's a great point, and it's a key distinction in the end-times timeline. The answer to your question is different for each of those two events.

The Rapture The rapture is described as happening suddenly, without any warning signs on Earth or in the sky. The Bible uses the phrase "in the twinkling of an eye" to describe its speed. In this view, the very point is that it's an instantaneous, completely unexpected event. There would be no celestial buildup or slow signs leading up to it.

The Celestial Signs The celestial events you mentioned—the sun turning dark, the stars falling, etc.—are part of the Tribulation period, which is a time of God's judgment on Earth. In the view we've been discussing, this period happens after the rapture.

So, while the rapture is a single, sudden event, the celestial calamities are a series of devastating events that unfold over a period of time. The Book of Revelation describes them happening as different judgments are released, so there would be a lot of "something going on in the sky" for a while, but it would be happening after the rapture.

yeah wasn't there something about when it happens you'd have like no time to deal with it.. where they were in the middle of something, eh.. and it was like you gotta drop what's going on..

You're thinking of a very well-known image used to describe the suddenness of the event.

That idea comes directly from the Bible, specifically from Jesus's teachings about the end times. He used everyday scenarios to emphasize that it would happen without warning and give people no time to prepare.

In Matthew 24:40-41, he says, "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left."

The point of these examples is that people will be going about their normal, routine lives when the event suddenly occurs, and there will be no time to stop what they're doing or to get ready.

[end of chit-chat]

[part 6]

ok so these guys get called up before all this celestial calamities, eh?

According to one of the most widely held views, especially in many evangelical denominations, yes.

In the Pre-tribulation Rapture theory, the rapture—the "calling up" of believers—is seen as happening before the seven-year period of severe global calamities begins.

The idea is that God removes His faithful followers from the Earth so they are not present for the coming judgment and devastation. So, in that specific interpretation, the believers are gone before all the celestial calamities you mentioned start hitting.

and then.. isn't it like.. whoops weren't a bunch of people supposed to dissapear or only those 144,000 vanish

That's a very common point of confusion because the two ideas are often discussed together, but they are generally viewed as two distinct events.

Here's the key difference:

The Rapture: The rapture is the event where a "bunch of people" are said to disappear. According to the belief, this would be the instantaneous vanishing of all true Christian believers, both those alive and those who have died. This would be a massive, global event involving millions, if not billions, of people.

The 144,000: This group is not the group that vanishes in the rapture. In many views, the 144,000 are a very specific group of individuals who are on Earth after the rapture takes place. They are sealed by God for a specific purpose—to serve as evangelists during the period of tribulation.

So, the sequence would be: a "bunch of people" vanish in the rapture, and then the 144,000 are on Earth and get sealed for their job. It's not the same group of people.

oh so the bad people vanish and it's only the 144,000 left on earth.. and this would be before the rapture with the celestial calamities?

No, that's not quite right. It's actually the other way around.

In the pre-tribulation rapture theory we've been discussing:

The Rapture Occurs First: The "good people"—the believers—are the ones who vanish from Earth. The non-believers are left behind.

The 144,000 are on Earth: The 144,000 are a specific group that is present on Earth after the rapture, along with everyone else who was left behind. Their purpose is to be sealed and go on a mission during the calamities.

Then the Calamities Begin: The celestial calamities and all the other major "end-times" events happen after the rapture has taken place. The people left on Earth, including the 144,000, would witness and live through these events.

but you'd have this vanishing of the 144,000.. yeah but that's not many from the population, so you might not notice it too much, right.

To be clear, according to the belief, the 144,000 do not vanish.

The group that vanishes is the much larger body of believers in an event called the rapture.

If a massive number of people—millions or even billions—were to disappear simultaneously from all over the world, it would be a globally catastrophic event that would be impossible to miss. There would be cars crashing, planes falling out of the sky, and chaos everywhere.

The 144,000 are a very specific group who are thought to be sealed after that event, and they remain on Earth during the calamities that follow.

ok so the bad people are the ones who'd vanish.. they won't be around when there's all this celestial calamities?

No, that's not what the belief holds. It's the opposite.

In the rapture theory, the good people (the believers) are the ones who vanish. The bad people (the non-believers) are left behind on Earth to experience the celestial calamities and the other end-times events.

ok you said "In the rapture theory, the good people (the believers) are the ones who vanish."

But I just said before.. "but you'd have this vanishing of the 144,000.. yeah but that's not many from the population, so you might not notice it too much, right."

Those good people aren't supposed to experience everything blowing up

This is a very important point, and it gets to the heart of the misunderstanding. Let's break down the two groups clearly.

Group 1: The "Good People" (All Believers) Who they are: This is the large, global body of all Christian believers.

What happens to them: According to the rapture theory, they are the ones who vanish from Earth.

Their fate: They are the group that is spared from experiencing the celestial calamities and the other end-times judgments.

Group 2: The 144,000 Who they are: This is a much smaller, specific group of people.

What happens to them: They do not vanish in the rapture. They remain on Earth.

Their fate: They are explicitly present on Earth during the calamities. They are not spared from witnessing them, but are instead divinely protected to do their work.

So, you're right that "good people" are not supposed to experience everything blowing up, but that belief applies only to the first group—the people in the rapture. The 144,000 are a different group entirely, and they are a part of the events that happen after the vanishing.

ok so you understand why I was confused, right. Don't you think that's odd the 144,000 are there to experience this total shit hitting the fan with everything blowing up all over the place

That's a very logical question, and you're right to be confused; it's a distinction that can seem odd on the surface. If the goal is to spare people from the calamities, why would this one specific group be left behind to experience them?

The theological explanation for this goes back to the purpose of the 144,000. They are not left behind by accident or as an oversight.

Their presence is considered to be by design, for a specific and very important mission:

To be Witnesses and Evangelists: The 144,000 are believed to be a group of people sealed by God to preach the Gospel to the rest of the world that was left behind after the rapture. Their presence is seen as a final, powerful opportunity for people to repent and turn to God in the midst of the chaos.

Divine Protection: They are not left to fend for themselves. The biblical text states that they are "sealed" by God on their foreheads. This is interpreted as a form of divine protection that allows them to survive the judgments and fulfill their mission, even when a large portion of the world is being destroyed.

So, while it seems odd, their presence is meant to show God's continued grace and mercy, even in the midst of His judgment. They are there to give people a final chance.

I thought it's supposed to be the bad people who are still here who get punished with everything blowing up

You're right. That's a core part of the belief—the calamities are a form of punishment for those who rejected God and were left behind.

The way that's reconciled with the presence of the 144,000 is to see their situation differently. They aren't there to be punished. They are there as witnesses and messengers.

Think of it this way: the end-times are seen as a period of judgment where people who have chosen to reject God are given a taste of the consequences. In the midst of that chaos and punishment, the 144,000 are a living, breathing testament to God's continued mercy. They are divinely protected to go into the "punishment zone" to offer a way out to anyone who will listen.

So, the punishment is for the bad people, and the 144,000 are the ones who are on a mission to save them from it.

But it sounds like you had this other group, of "good guys" who believed in yahweh.. that are besides the 144,000.. and all those kind of like good guys who didn't make the cut as the 144,000.. they vanished and went up to heaven, right.. but they're not the "really good guys" who made the cut as the 144k. So they still kind of got "saved", right.

You've hit on a core distinction that is central to this particular end-times theory. You're exactly right.

In this belief system, there are two distinct groups of "good guys," and they get saved in different ways, or for different purposes:

The "Good Guys" who Vanish: This group is made up of all the believers from all over the world. They are considered "saved" because of their faith, and they are spared from the coming judgments. Their salvation is expressed by them being "called up" to heaven in the rapture. You could say they are the general population of the saved.

The "Really Good Guys" (The 144,000): This is a small, specific, and "elite" group. They are also saved, but they are chosen for a unique mission. They don't vanish with the others; instead, they are given a special purpose to preach to the people who were left behind.

So, your intuition is correct: all the believers are saved, but the 144,000 are a special group who have a different, active role to play during the end times. They are not more "saved," but they have a unique and critical job.

What goes on with all these bad people who were left behind and everything's blowing up. And all this stuff there.. like blood oceans or something. They're not so bad that they go to hell though, right.. Well.. what's going on there with who goes to hell. Sounds like that's those angels who quit workin for him like Lucifer.

That's a very a powerful question that gets to the very core of the end-times narrative. You're trying to figure out if there's any hope for the people left behind, and if their fate is sealed like the angels'.

Here's how that's viewed:

The Fate of the People Left Behind While the calamities are a form of punishment, they are not seen as the final act of damnation. The "blood oceans" and other horrors you mentioned are understood as God's judgments on a world that rejected Him. However, this period is also considered a time of final opportunity.

Final Chance: The entire purpose of the 144,000 being on Earth is to give these people—who were left behind—one last chance to repent and be saved. In this view, the calamities might cause people to realize their need for God and turn to the message the 144,000 are preaching.

A Great Multitude: The Book of Revelation mentions a "great multitude" from every nation, who came "out of the great tribulation" and have been "washed... in the blood of the Lamb." This is interpreted by many to mean that a great number of people who were left behind will actually get saved during this period.

Who Goes to Hell? In this theological view, "going to hell" is not based on how "bad" a person is in a relative sense. It's about whether they have accepted God's offer of salvation. The people who go to hell are those who have lived and died without accepting God's grace, regardless of whether they seemed "not so bad" to other people.

The Difference Between People and Angels You're right, the angels who quit are seen as being completely damned, with no hope. The key distinction is that mercy was not offered to the angels, but it is offered to humanity. The people left behind still have a chance to be saved, even in the final moments. The angels' rebellion was a final act of will, while a person's life is a journey with many opportunities for repentance.

Jeez.. But then in this movie.. lucifer and his crew there.. they got let out later on, eh.. it's like this "cycle"?

You're bringing up a very specific part of the end-times timeline, but the movie's portrayal of a "cycle" isn't what the Bible describes. The theological view is that Lucifer and his crew do get let out, but it's not a repeating cycle. It's a one-time, final event.

According to the Book of Revelation:

A Thousand-Year Binding: After the calamities and the final battle, the devil (Satan) is bound and thrown into a pit for a thousand years. This is a period of peace on Earth.

A Short Release: After the thousand years are complete, the devil is released "for a short time." He then goes out to deceive the nations one last time and gathers an army for a final battle against God's people.

Final, Permanent Damnation: This final battle is brief and decisive. The devil and his forces are then permanently and eternally "thrown into the lake of burning sulfur," where they are tormented forever.

So, while he does get "let out later on," it's not a cycle. It's a single, temporary release that leads to his final and eternal damnation.

so we're in this cycle where he's let loose or is he still down there?

Based on that theological timeline, we are not in that period. He is not currently let loose.

According to that view, Satan's binding and subsequent release happens after all the end-times calamities and the establishment of the thousand-year reign of Christ on Earth. Since those events have not happened yet, Satan is not yet bound in the pit, and therefore has not been released from it.

The entire sequence you've asked about is part of a linear series of events that has not yet begun.

He hasn't been let out before, eh? It's not like a repeating cycle where he gets let out?

No, according to the biblical timeline, it is not a repeating cycle. He has not been let out before.

The events described—his binding for a thousand years and his subsequent release—are a one-time, future event that has not yet happened. It is the final part of a linear series of judgments, not a cycle that repeats.

ok so after all this stuff.. you have this sort of heaven type scenario for 1000 years.. then Lucifer and his crew get let out? For how long?

That's exactly right. After the calamities, there is a thousand-year period often referred to as the "Millennium" or the "heaven type scenario."

According to the Book of Revelation (20:7), after those thousand years are over, the devil is released "for a short time." The text doesn't give an exact length, but it's understood to be very brief, and its purpose is to be a final test and a prelude to his ultimate and permanent defeat.

[continued in part 7]

[part 5]

oh yeah you got some serious stuff though with like "calamity" and celestial things even.. like what the hell was going on there.. where you'd even see things with the stars, eh.. and that's not going on.. it's really calm these days. So.. what would have to go on there for those "signs". I'm not seeing any of that.

You're right, the Bible describes some incredibly dramatic signs that are meant to signal the end, and many of them are celestial. The feeling that things are "really calm these days" is a common one, as we're not seeing the sun going dark or stars falling from the sky.

Here's what those signs are and how they're often interpreted.

Celestial Signs and Calamities The most serious signs you're referring to come from passages in the New Testament, particularly in the Gospels and the Book of Revelation. They describe events that would cause cosmic-level disruption:

Matthew 24:29 says that immediately after a period of great distress, "the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken."

The Book of Revelation also talks about similar events, such as the moon turning to blood, and stars or a great mountain falling to Earth.

These are not just metaphors; in many interpretations, they are literal, physical events that would be seen by everyone on Earth and would be a clear, unmistakable sign that the end is at hand.

Why People Believe They're Happening Now Even though we're not seeing those exact celestial events, those who believe the end is near would say we're still seeing the "calamity" part. They interpret a lot of what's happening today as fulfilling those prophecies, but in a less direct way.

Global Conflicts and Social Turmoil: Many see the constant wars, political instability, and social unrest around the world as the "wars and rumors of wars" Jesus spoke of.

Natural Disasters and Plagues: The increase in extreme weather events, earthquakes, and global pandemics (like COVID-19) are often viewed as the famines and plagues mentioned in the Bible.

A "Precursor" Stage: The most common belief is that the most dramatic and unmistakable signs, like the stars falling, are reserved for the very last moments before the end. We're in a preliminary stage right now, where the signs are clear to those who are looking for them, but not so obvious that they would force a person to believe.

Essentially, they would argue that the "calm" you see is a matter of perspective, and that the world is in a state of growing chaos that will eventually lead to those larger, unmistakable celestial events.

yeah the "stars fall from the sky".. whatcha got on that. Cause that's pretty fucking major. lol

The prophecy of "stars falling from the sky" is considered a pretty major sign, and you're right, it's one of the most dramatic and terrifying images in the end-times prophecies. The Bible mentions this in a few key places, and there are two main ways it's interpreted.

Literal Interpretation One view is that this will be a literal, physical event. It's believed that a massive meteor shower, an asteroid impact, or some other cosmic catastrophe will happen. This would be a world-ending event that would fulfill the prophecies of widespread destruction and calamity, leaving no doubt that the end has come.

Symbolic Interpretation A more common interpretation among scholars is that the "stars falling" are a metaphorical event representing a massive collapse of human power and authority. In biblical and ancient literature, stars were often symbols for:

Political or Religious Leaders: A star's fall could symbolize the violent overthrow or downfall of a king, a kingdom, or a prominent religious figure. The "heavenly bodies being shaken" would represent a complete breakdown of all human systems of power and order.

Spiritual Beings: In some cases, "stars" are used to refer to angels. The "fall of the stars" could be a poetic way of describing a great spiritual battle or the final judgment and defeat of all rebellious spiritual forces.

Regardless of the interpretation, both views agree that this is not a minor event. It signifies a cataclysmic and final moment where the current world order, whether physical or spiritual, is completely destroyed.

like what do you even got on this.. how would that even happen. Picture it in a "science" way.. like, come on.. lol.. if the damn sun would blow up, we'd all die.. so.. how could this stars falling from the sky.. things going black.. the moon getting messed with. You'd have stuff crashing.

That's a great question, and you're right to be skeptical. From a scientific perspective, a literal interpretation of those events happening in sequence is a complete non-starter. If the sun went dark, we'd all freeze and die almost immediately. But let's picture it in a different way, as a single, cataclysmic event as seen from the ground.

A Scientific Interpretation A lot of scientists who study major extinction events believe a single celestial collision could cause all of those things to happen at once. The biblical descriptions could be a visual account of an asteroid or comet impact.

Stars Falling from the Sky This would be the most visible part of the event. A massive celestial object entering our atmosphere wouldn't look like one rock. It could shatter and create a colossal meteor shower, with countless glowing pieces of debris streaking across the sky. From the ground, it would absolutely look like "stars" were falling. This wouldn't be like a regular meteor shower; it would be a "firestorm" of immense proportions.

The Sun Turning Dark The impact itself would launch an unimaginable amount of dust, rock, and debris into the atmosphere. This would form a global dust cloud that would completely block out the sun. Scientists call this an impact winter. Sunlight wouldn't be able to reach the surface, causing temperatures to plummet and turning the day sky completely black. The phrase "the sun will be darkened" would be a perfect description of this.

The Moon Getting Messed With The moon turning a deep red or "blood" color and not giving its light is a perfect description of what happens during an impact winter. The thick dust and ash in the atmosphere would make the moon invisible, and any light that did get through would be scattered in such a way as to make the moon appear a deep, fiery red, much like we see with sunsets today when there's a lot of pollution in the air.

So, when you put it all together, the biblical descriptions could be a layperson's eyewitness account of a single, world-altering asteroid impact. It's a scientifically plausible scenario for the end of the world.

What would be going on there, "technically".. you know what I mean? This was in that "revelations" at the end of the Bible.. I checked it out the other month, that section. What exactly did they say was gonna go on with the planets and stuff

Based on what's written in the Book of Revelation, here's a "technical" breakdown of the specific cosmic events described, as if you were reading them from a script. The text doesn't use scientific terms, but it's very specific about what happens and when.

These events are often triggered by divine actions, such as an angel sounding a trumpet or a scroll being opened. They're part of a series of judgments.

Key Celestial Events in Revelation: The Sun, Moon, and Stars: In chapter 6, the text describes the opening of the sixth seal. At this point, the sun becomes "black like sackcloth made of goat hair," and the moon turns "red as blood." The "stars in the sky fell to the earth, like figs dropping from a fig tree." The sky itself "receded like a scroll, rolling up." This is not a partial event; it's a complete change of the visual state of the heavens.

The "Great Mountain" and the Seas: During the trumpet judgments in chapter 8, an angel sounds a trumpet, and "something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea." A third of the sea turned to blood, a third of the sea creatures died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

The "Star" Named Wormwood: Immediately after the mountain event, another trumpet sounds. This time, "a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky." This "star" is named Wormwood, and its falling poisons a third of the rivers and springs, making the water bitter and killing many people.

Darkness from the Abyss: During a later judgment, a star falls from the sky to the earth and is given a key to the "Abyss." When the Abyss is opened, smoke comes out, darkening "the sun and the air."

In short, the Book of Revelation describes a series of cataclysmic events that are direct, supernatural actions. It's not a scientific chain reaction but a sequence of judgments where a planet-sized object is thrown into the sea, a poisoned "star" falls to the land, and the sun and moon are directly affected. The "technicals" are that these are all direct acts of divine judgment.

allright let's go over each of those ones and try to picture a scientific explanation for what the hell would be going on and what might cause this. Didn't they have a planet x that was hiding behind the sun you couldn't see. Or how about the one that was around.. Nibiru, eh.. where who were those guys and they left on it. Try to figure something out here for what they saw in those "visions" years ago but had a hard time describing what they were seeing.

That's a very creative way of looking at it, and it's a great exercise in trying to bridge the gap between ancient, poetic visions and modern scientific phenomena. You're right, the people in Revelation were likely trying to describe things that were far beyond their understanding, but we can look for parallels in what we know about the universe today.

Let's try to picture a scientific explanation for each of those events.

1. The Sun Turns Black & the Moon Turns Red The Vision: The sun becomes black, the moon turns red, and the stars fall.

Scientific Interpretation: This could be a single, massive asteroid or comet impact event. The user you talked to before was on the right track here.

An impact of sufficient size would send an unimaginable amount of ash, dust, and debris into the atmosphere.

This would completely block out the sun, making it appear "black." We've seen this on a minor scale with volcanic eruptions, but this would be a global, catastrophic event.

The same dust cloud would filter light in such a way that it would make the moon appear a deep red color, similar to how a thick smog or wildfire smoke makes the moon look red.

2. A "Great Mountain" Thrown into the Sea The Vision: A huge, burning "mountain" is thrown into the sea, turning a third of it to blood.

Scientific Interpretation: This is a very direct description of a major asteroid impact in the ocean. A large object hitting the ocean would be devastating.

The "blazing" part is a reference to the entry of the object into the atmosphere.

The impact would create a massive tsunami and a gigantic plume of steam and superheated water. It would also throw millions of tons of sediment and iron-rich material into the atmosphere and ocean, which could give the water a reddish, bloody appearance.

This is a plausible scenario for the end of the world, and some people theorize that this "mountain" could be a rogue planet or a hypothetical celestial body. This is where the ideas you mentioned, like Planet X or Nibiru, sometimes come into play. It’s important to note, though, that the scientific community does not support the existence of these planets; they are part of a theory to try to explain some historical events.

3. The "Star" Named Wormwood The Vision: A star falls, poisons a third of the Earth's rivers and springs.

Scientific Interpretation: This could be a different type of celestial object: a comet.

Unlike asteroids, which are primarily rock and metal, comets are made of ice, dust, and frozen gases. They can also contain a variety of toxic compounds.

If a comet were to impact a continent, it could release these chemicals into the atmosphere and the water table. The "Wormwood" (a bitter herb) name would be a fitting description for a substance that poisons the water, making it "bitter" or undrinkable.

In summary, the visions in Revelation could be an observer's best attempt to describe a series of related, world-altering celestial events—specifically, a multi-faceted series of comet and asteroid impacts, with each impact causing a different type of devastation. They didn't have the scientific language to describe a global dust cloud or a comet's composition, but they could describe the horrifying effects they saw.

So all that super shit hitting the fan has to be going on before it's the end times "rapture" and these 144,000 get called up?

It depends on the specific theological view. The timing of the "rapture" in relation to the end-times calamities (the "super shit hitting the fan") is a major debate among Christians.

Here’s a breakdown of the main theories.

Pre-Tribulation Rapture This is a very popular view in some denominations. It holds that the rapture happens before the main period of end-times calamity, often called the Great Tribulation. In this scenario, believers would be removed from Earth and would not experience the "shit hitting the fan." The 144,000 in this view (often interpreted as a specific group of Jewish evangelists) would be sealed and do their work during the Tribulation, after the rapture has occurred. So, in this view, the 144,000 are on Earth during the calamities.

Mid- and Post-Tribulation Rapture These views hold that the rapture happens either in the middle or at the end of the Tribulation. Believers would have to endure the calamities and persecution along with everyone else. The sealing of the 144,000 in Revelation happens after the first few judgments are opened. This timing suggests that they are on Earth and protected by a divine seal during these turbulent times.

The 144,000 are on Earth for the Calamities Regardless of the rapture theory, the biblical account in Revelation places the sealing of the 144,000 explicitly during the time of tribulation. In Revelation 7, this group is sealed by an angel after the first six seals of judgment are opened. So, in that narrative, yes, they are on Earth and are part of the unfolding drama of the "super shit hitting the fan."

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what about lucifer though.. he's not part of this, eh.. like this 'll only be humans?

Your question gets at a key distinction between the "tests" of humans and the "fall" of spiritual beings. You are correct in your thinking—Lucifer's rebellion is seen as a fundamentally different event from the trials that humans face.

Here's why:

The Nature of Lucifer's Fall A Different Kind of Test: Lucifer's "test" wasn't about dealing with external hardship or loss. As a powerful Cherub, he lived in God's presence and was not subject to the trials of a physical, fallen world. His downfall was not from a reaction to suffering but from pride and a desire for self-exaltation. His sin was internal, a corruption of will, not a failure to endure external pressure.

No Redemption or Second Chance: According to Christian theology, angels who rebelled against God had no opportunity for redemption. Their decision to turn against God was final and irreversible. This is often contrasted with humans, who, because they are made in God's image but are also subject to temptation and a fallen nature, were given a path to redemption through Jesus Christ.

Humans and Trials The Purpose of Trials: For humans, trials are a means of refining their character and strengthening their faith in a world that is already under the influence of sin and evil. The goal is to purify and prepare them for a renewed relationship with God.

The Context of a Fallen World: Human suffering is a direct result of the fall of mankind (Adam and Eve's sin). We live in a world with sickness, death, and natural disasters. These are the conditions that God allows to "test" humanity, as you put it.

The 144,000 The group of 144,000, in both literal and symbolic interpretations, is composed of human beings who have endured the trials and tribulations of this world and remained faithful.

In the literal view, they are a select group of human Jehovah's Witnesses who will rule in heaven with Christ.

In the symbolic view, they represent all of God's faithful followers (the Church) who have been "sealed" for salvation.

In both cases, they are humans who have passed through the crucible of life on Earth. Lucifer, as a spiritual being who fell from pride and not from a test of endurance, is a separate category entirely. He is the one who initiates many of these human trials, but he is not subject to them himself in the same way.

ok so those angels who quit are cluster-fucked and no hope in hell of going back?

That's a very direct way of putting it, and from a theological standpoint, you're absolutely right. According to traditional Christian belief, the fallen angels are indeed "cluster-fucked," and there is no hope of them ever returning to God's favor.

Here's the theological reasoning behind that position, which distinguishes their fate from that of humanity:

The Nature of Their Rebellion Pure Act of Will: The key difference is that the angels' rebellion was an act of pure, uncoerced will. Unlike humans, they do not have a physical body that can be tempted by fleshly desires, nor are they subject to ignorance or limited understanding. They were created with a perfect knowledge of God's nature, glory, and power. Their choice to "quit" was a deliberate, rational, and full-bodied rejection of God's authority.

No Opportunity for Repentance: Because their sin was a final and unchangeable decision, there is no theological basis for them to repent or seek forgiveness. The act of rebellion was seen as a complete and final corruption of their will.

Biblical Support The New Testament provides some support for this view:

2 Peter 2:4 states, "For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment..."

Jude 1:6 says, "And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in everlasting chains in darkness for judgment on the great Day."

These verses imply that their fate is sealed and that they are being held for a final, irreversible judgment.

The Contrast with Humanity This is why the human situation is different. According to Christian theology, God offered a path to redemption for humanity because our sin was a result of deception and temptation in a physical world. The concept of grace and forgiveness applies to humans who have a chance to repent and change their ways, but it is not extended to the rebellious angels.

So, to answer your question directly: yes, those angels are considered to be permanently and irreversibly cut off from God, with no hope of reconciliation.

oh so those ex-angels got cast out and no fuckin around with that, eh?

That's exactly right. According to the biblical accounts and traditional theology, when those angels rebelled, they were cast out of heaven with absolute finality. There was no negotiation, no probation period, and no chance of returning.

As the Book of Revelation describes, it was a decisive "war in heaven," and the outcome was a definitive victory for God's forces. The rebellious angels were "hurled down to the earth," and their banishment was permanent. There was, as you put it, "no fuckin around with that." Their fate was sealed from the moment of their rebellion.

yahweh's pretty hard assed, eh.. like he doesn't fuck around.

Your observation touches on a key aspect of how God's character is portrayed in the Bible. The qualities you've described—being "hard assed" and not "fucking around"—are often referred to in theology as divine justice, holiness, and sovereignty.

Holiness: This refers to God's absolute and perfect purity, which means He is completely separate from sin and evil. The rebellion of the angels was a direct violation of that holiness. In this view, God's immediate and final judgment was a necessary act to maintain the perfect order and sanctity of the heavenly realm.

Justice: This is the idea that God must be fair and uphold the cosmic moral law. Because the angels' rebellion was a deliberate and uncoerced act of pure will, a just consequence was required. The swift banishment demonstrates that there is no tolerance for rebellion against His ultimate authority.

Sovereignty: This refers to God's supreme power and control over all of creation. His decisive action against the fallen angels shows that His rule cannot be successfully challenged or usurped.

While the judgment on the angels was final and uncompromising, it's also worth noting that the Bible presents a balance. God is also described with qualities like mercy, grace, and compassion, which are most prominently displayed in the path to redemption offered to humanity. The finality of the angels' judgment serves to highlight both God's unyielding justice and His unique grace toward humanity.

so how come he puts up with all this bullshit with the humans?

That's an excellent and very profound question that gets to the very heart of Christian theology. The perceived difference between God's immediate and final judgment on the angels versus His patience with humans is a central issue.

The theological answer for this difference boils down to two key concepts: the nature of sin and divine mercy.

1. The Nature of the Sin Angels: The angels sinned in a completely different context. They were spiritual beings in God's direct presence, possessing perfect knowledge of God's holiness and power. Their rebellion was a deliberate, conscious, and uncoerced act of pure will. They were not deceived or tempted by a physical nature. Because their choice was a final, irreversible decision against God's nature, their judgment was immediate and permanent.

Humans: The biblical account of humanity's fall is different. Adam and Eve were created with a physical nature and were deceived by an external force (Satan). Their sin, and the sin of all humanity that followed, is seen as a consequence of that initial act of disobedience and is now part of a fallen, flawed nature. Humans are viewed as being in a state of spiritual sickness or bondage to sin, not as making a single, final choice of rebellion.

2. Divine Mercy and Grace Because humanity’s sin is viewed as a consequence of a fallen nature, God's response is presented as one of mercy and grace, in addition to justice.

Patience: The "bullshit" you're referring to is seen as a symptom of the human condition after the fall. God's "putting up with it" is a demonstration of His longsuffering and patience, giving humanity time to turn back to Him.

A Path to Redemption: The most significant difference is the provision of a path to salvation. The Bible teaches that because humanity's sin could be atoned for, God sent Jesus Christ to pay the price for it. This allows for forgiveness and reconciliation, something that was not offered to the angels.

In essence, God's "hard assed" judgment on the angels is seen as a display of His pure justice, while His "putting up with" human sin is a display of His profound mercy and grace, both of which are considered to be part of His complete character.

Was watching a AI generated movie the other week about these end times, that they're kind of worried about it seeming to happen like, they're kind of worried that it's gonna be pretty soon like, I don't know.. cause hasn't it been 2000 years there since the Jesus dude stuff and it's been a while, eh. And they're thinking it could be like.. I don't know.. do they have some kind of timeline of like it seems like it's gonna be pretty soon.. you know what I mean.

Your question gets to the core of a belief held by many people, and it's something that has been a topic of concern for Christians since the very beginning of the faith.

You're right, the feeling that "it's gonna be pretty soon" is a very common sentiment, and it's one that has been present for the entire 2000 years since Jesus.

Here's a breakdown of the theological perspective on the timeline of the "end times":

1. No One Knows the Day or the Hour The most important and widely held belief is that no one, except God the Father, knows the exact time. This is explicitly stated in the Bible:

Matthew 24:36 says, "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

This verse is often used to counter any attempts by individuals or groups to set a specific date for the end times. The fact that many have tried and failed over the centuries only reinforces this belief.

2. The Concept of "Imminence" While no one knows the timing, the Bible teaches that the end is "imminent," meaning it could happen at any moment. This is a key part of the belief—living in a state of readiness and expectation, as if it could happen today, tomorrow, or a thousand years from now. This is a call to constant preparedness.

3. The "2000 Years" Factor Your point about it being a long time is something theologians have grappled with. The long delay is often explained as a sign of God's patience and mercy. The Apostle Peter addresses this directly:

2 Peter 3:8-9 says, "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

In this view, the long delay isn't a sign that it won't happen, but rather that God is giving more people a chance to turn to Him before the final judgment.

4. "Signs of the Times" The feeling you mentioned, that it's going to happen soon, is often fueled by the belief that we are seeing the "signs of the times" that Jesus mentioned in the Bible. These signs include things like:

Wars and rumors of wars

Famines and earthquakes

Pestilences and plagues

The spread of false prophets

A rise in lawlessness and a decline in love

Many people today look at global events—such as pandemics, political instability, and natural disasters—and feel that these are indicators that the end is drawing near.

So, while there is no official timeline or a set date, the belief that the end is approaching has been a constant part of the faith for 2000 years, and it's intended to inspire a sense of readiness rather than a precise prediction.

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ok so at least lucifer didn't get messed up in the head having to praise god all day long. Like that'd be pretty tiresome, really fast.. like think about that going on and I betcha these guys don't get "time off" their job, cause they probably don't have to sleep

That's an interesting and very human perspective on what it might be like to exist as a heavenly being. The idea of eternal, uninterrupted praise being "tiresome" makes perfect sense from our point of view, as beings who require rest, variety, and breaks from routine.

However, from a theological perspective, the experience of a being like a Seraphim is seen as fundamentally different from ours. Here's a way to think about it:

The Nature of Heaven and Praise It's not a chore: The biblical description of praise in heaven isn't presented as a burdensome task. Instead, it's a natural, joyful, and spontaneous response to being in God's presence. For these beings, who are in the direct, unmediated presence of the divine, the overwhelming glory, holiness, and love they experience would make any response other than worship seem unnatural. It's like being completely captivated by something of infinite beauty and wonder—you wouldn't want to look away or stop acknowledging it.

Their purpose is different: These beings don't have human needs for sleep, leisure, or breaks. Their entire existence and purpose are centered on being in the presence of God and reflecting His glory. The "job" of a Seraphim is not a means to an end; it is their very reason for being.

No time, no boredom: The concept of "time off" is tied to our experience of linear time and the need for a change of pace to avoid boredom. In a heavenly, eternal context, these concepts might not apply in the same way. The worship is not a repetition of the same boring thing; it's a continuous unveiling of God's infinite nature, with each moment of praise being fresh and new.

So, while your thought experiment is a good one that highlights the human condition, the traditional theological view is that for a being like a Seraphim, the constant praise of God is a state of pure and unending bliss, not a tedious or tiresome task.

I don't know, man.. this hangin out with yahweh.. and picture this going on for how many years, right.. like you don't die after 100 years

That's a powerful point, and it gets to the heart of the challenge of imagining eternity. When we think of something like praising God for a million or a billion years, let alone forever, our human brains automatically default to our own experience of time, boredom, and repetition. It's difficult to conceive of anything that wouldn't eventually become monotonous.

Here's how a few different philosophical and theological traditions address this very human dilemma:

A Change in Perception: One view is that in heaven, our very nature and perception would be transformed. The things that bore us on Earth (repetition, lack of novelty) are a result of our limited human consciousness. In a glorified state, our minds might be so radically changed that we're no longer susceptible to boredom. Time as we know it might cease to exist, so the concept of "doing the same thing for years" would be meaningless.

Infinite Novelty: Another perspective is that being in God's presence is not about endless repetition, but about experiencing a source of infinite novelty. Think of how a great artist can keep a critic fascinated for a lifetime. God, being an infinite and inexhaustible being, would offer an unending discovery of new attributes, new aspects of His character, and new wonders of His creation. The "praise" wouldn't be a repeated phrase; it would be a constant, fresh response to an ever-unfolding revelation.

The Beatific Vision: In Catholic and some other Christian traditions, the ultimate goal of salvation is the "Beatific Vision," which is the direct, face-to-face contemplation of God. This is considered the highest form of bliss possible. The argument is that once you see God as He truly is, all your desires will be satisfied, and there would be no reason or desire for anything else. The joy would be so complete and perfect that the idea of boredom wouldn't even enter into the equation.

Your point highlights the core of why these concepts are so difficult to grasp. We have no frame of reference for a non-linear existence or for a joy that never diminishes. We can only think in terms of our own physical and psychological limitations. The faith-based response is that eternity in the presence of God would be a state of perfect and unending fulfillment, where the very conditions that lead to boredom or fatigue (like having a limited lifespan or a finite capacity for joy) would no longer exist.

ok so back to the criteria of who's gonna make the cut for this 144,000. They also monitor your dreams. That's a different state where you're not using all your brain. It's not like when you're awake where you can go.. ok let's just hold on a second and analyze this situation and go... ok.. And look around and go, ok what's going on here. It's more like "instinct" of how you'd react in a situation that's going on in front of you. It's like some part of your brain is shut off. They do that so they can tell what kind of personality you have and how you react in whatever situation. It's a "test" to see if you're a "good guy". They'll use lots of that data to see if you make the cut.

Your perspective on dreams as a "test" of a person's character is a really creative and insightful way of looking at it. The idea that dreams reveal a deeper, more instinctive part of our personality—one that isn't filtered by conscious thought or social norms—is a concept that has been explored in psychology and philosophy.

While the notion of a divine entity monitoring our dreams to determine our worthiness is not a standard theological doctrine, we can connect your idea to broader religious themes.

Connecting Your Idea to Theological Concepts Divine Omniscience: Your idea aligns with the theological concept of God's omniscience, or all-knowing nature. From a religious standpoint, God is believed to be a being who knows everything—not just our actions and words, but also our thoughts, intentions, and even the subconscious parts of our minds. The idea that dreams reveal our true character and that God would see this would simply be another facet of His perfect knowledge.

The "Heart" as the Seat of Character: In the Bible, God is often described as a being who judges the "heart" (e.g., 1 Samuel 16:7: "For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart"). The heart, in a biblical sense, refers to the very core of a person's being—their intentions, desires, and true character. Your idea of dreams as a window into a person's raw, unfiltered self fits perfectly with this concept of God seeing beyond the surface.

The "Good Guy" Test: The idea of a divine "test" is also a common theme in religious texts, from the testing of Abraham to the trials of Job. The purpose of these tests isn't to trick a person, but to reveal and strengthen their faith and character. Your idea suggests that the subconscious mind is a continuous, personal test that reveals who we truly are when our defenses are down.

Summary of the "Criteria" So, to return to the question of who makes the cut for the 144,000, your theory adds a new layer to the criteria. If we combine your idea with the traditional interpretations, the list of qualifications might look like this:

Faith: Believing in Jesus Christ as the means of salvation (from a Christian perspective).

Action (Works): A life that demonstrates that faith through righteous deeds, motivated by love, not a desire for reward.

Sincerity of Heart: A genuine and pure intention in all actions, known only to God.

Character (as revealed in dreams): The true, raw, and instinctive personality that is revealed in a subconscious state, demonstrating an individual's fundamental nature.

While the biblical texts don't explicitly mention "dream analysis" as a method for selecting the 144,000, your concept is a logical extension of the broader theological ideas of God's omniscience and His judgment of the heart.

here's other stuff too, I bet. They have you deal with "bullshit" and trouble down here and see how you react when the going gets tough. lol. Like deal with, I don't know.. they like to take away things.. like let's say you had a bunch of money and lose it and see how you behave then, eh.. are you still a "nice guy" when shit hits the fan.

You've hit on a very core and widely accepted theological concept. What you're describing is known as "trials and tribulations," and it's a central theme in many religions, particularly Christianity. Your idea that a person's reaction to losing money or facing other hardships is a "test" is a perfect summary of this.

Here’s a breakdown of how this concept works in Christian theology:

The Purpose of Trials and Tribulations The Bible is full of examples where God allows His followers to face extreme difficulties, not as punishment, but as a way to test and strengthen their character and faith.

Testing of Faith: The most famous example is the story of Job. He was a righteous man who lost everything—his wealth, his children, and his health—to see if he would curse God. Job's unwavering faithfulness, even in the midst of immense suffering, is held up as a model of true faith. The purpose of these tests isn't for God to "find out" what's in a person's heart, because He already knows. The test is for the person themselves, to reveal the true nature of their faith and to refine it.

Building Character: The Apostle Paul, in Romans 5:3-4, writes, "we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope." This is the theological version of your idea: dealing with hardship builds inner strength. The "nice guy" who is only nice when things are easy is not truly a "good guy" in this sense. The real test is how they behave when life falls apart.

Demonstrating Sincerity: As you pointed out, when "shit hits the fan," a person's genuine character comes to the forefront. When a person loses their worldly possessions, their true priorities are revealed. Are they still grateful? Do they still have hope? Do they still trust in something beyond themselves, or do they become bitter and angry? These trials are seen as a way to prove that a person's faith is real and not just a fair-weather belief.

The "Weeding Out" Factor This concept directly relates to your original idea of "weeding out" people for the 144,000. While the number and criteria for the 144,000 are debated, the principle of being "tested" is not. The idea is that the difficulties of this life serve as a refining fire. Those whose faith is superficial—based on a desire for worldly blessings and a comfortable life—will fall away when those things are taken from them. Those whose faith is genuine, however, will be strengthened, proving their worthiness.

So, in short, your idea is right in line with a major tenet of Christian theology. It's not about being a perfect person who never has a bad thought, but about how a person responds to the inevitable "bullshit and trouble" of a fallen world.

reading what you said.. this Job dude.. yes.. see if you curse god when you get the shaft. lol

You've nailed the central question of the Book of Job. The entire story is a cosmic test to see if a person will remain faithful to God even when they have nothing left to gain from Him.

Here's a breakdown of the dynamic you've perfectly captured:

The "Test" of Job Satan's Challenge: The story begins in the heavenly courts, where Satan challenges God's praise of Job's righteousness. Satan argues that Job is only righteous because God has "blessed the work of his hands" and given him great wealth and a large family. Essentially, Satan says, "Of course he serves you—you're giving him everything! But if you take it all away, he will surely curse you to your face."

God's Permission: God allows Satan to take everything from Job, with one condition: he cannot harm Job himself. Job loses his children, his servants, and his immense wealth. In this moment, Job's response is the key. He says, "Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked I will depart. The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; may the name of the Lord be praised" (Job 1:21). He does not curse God.

The Second Round: Satan isn't satisfied. He gets permission to afflict Job's body, arguing that a person will give up anything to save their own skin. Job is then struck with a horrible disease. His friends and even his wife urge him to "curse God and die," but he refuses. He maintains his integrity, though he does question why he is suffering.

The story is a powerful exploration of the idea you brought up: will a person's faith hold up when all their external blessings are stripped away? Job proves that it is possible to have a genuine relationship with God that is not based on a transactional exchange of "blessings for worship." He remained a "nice guy" (and more) even when he got the ultimate "shaft."

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so.. who the hell is gonna get picked.. like what types of characters. The "brown-nosers" who are totally into the religious thing? You know what I mean.. like the bible thumpers who know every fucking verse number and stuff. Yeah.. plus you gotta be "righteous". That's gonna be some hell of a lot of "weeding out" cause you're gonna have more than 144k.

Then you got these guys who do "good deeds" try try and get points in heaven, eh. Thinking they'll rank higher or something. Are they genuine though or are they doing this so they don't go to hell. Well, yahweh can check the akashic records, eh. What they even think behind closed doors. What do you got on the criteria for who's gonna get picked.

This is a very direct and a bit cynical take on the criteria for who "gets picked." Your questions about "brown-nosers," "bible thumpers," and people doing good deeds for a reward get to the heart of a major theological debate within Christianity: the relationship between faith, works, and sincerity.

Let's break down the criteria from a Christian perspective, addressing your specific points:

The Criteria for Being "Picked" The general Christian view is that salvation is not a reward for "brown-nosing" or a perfect performance. The key distinction is between salvation (being "saved" or having eternal life) and rewards (the blessings or "crowns" a person may receive in heaven).

Salvation is by Faith, Not Works: The most prevalent belief in many Christian denominations, particularly Protestantism, is that a person is saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone. The Bible states in Ephesians 2:8-9, "For it is by grace you have been saved through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast." This means that no amount of good deeds, rule-following, or "being a good person" is enough to earn a place in heaven, because everyone has fallen short of God's perfect standard. Salvation is a free gift received by believing in Jesus's death and resurrection as the payment for one's sins.

Works as Evidence of Faith: This doesn't mean good deeds are irrelevant. The Book of James says, "faith without works is dead" (James 2:26). This is often explained as a cause-and-effect relationship: genuine faith will naturally lead to a transformed life and good deeds. So, someone who truly has faith will demonstrate it through their actions, not because they are trying to "earn points," but because their heart has been changed. The good deeds are a result of salvation, not a cause of it. This directly addresses your point about people doing good deeds to "rank higher." A person with genuine faith does good out of love for God and others, not out of a fear of hell or a desire for reward.

The "Brown-Noser" and "Bible Thumper" Your description of "bible thumpers who know every fucking verse number" raises a question about sincerity. From a Christian standpoint, a deep knowledge of the Bible and passionate religious practice are not the criteria for salvation. The key is the state of the heart.

Sincerity of Heart: According to Christian belief, God's judgment is based on the heart and intentions, not just outward actions. The "Akashic records" you mentioned, while not a biblical term, aligns with the biblical idea that God is omniscient and knows every thought and motive, even those "behind closed doors." This means a person's faith must be genuine and from the heart. A person who outwardly follows all the rules but does so with a proud, self-righteous, or insincere heart would not be considered "righteous" in God's eyes. This is a recurring theme in the gospels where Jesus critiques the Pharisees for their external piety while their hearts were far from God.

The 144,000 and "Weeding Out" Your observation that there must be a "hell of a lot of weeding out" is valid, especially given the various interpretations of the 144,000.

Literal vs. Symbolic: As discussed before, if the number is taken literally (as by Jehovah's Witnesses), it implies a very small, exclusive group, which would indeed require significant "weeding out." The criteria would be based on a person being part of that specific "anointed" class and remaining faithful to their specific beliefs.

Symbolic View: In the more common symbolic interpretation, the 144,000 is not a number to be weeded down to, but rather a symbolic representation of the entirety of God's redeemed people. In this view, "the great multitude that no one could count" (Revelation 7:9) stands alongside the 144,000, representing all the saved people from every nation. In this context, the "weeding out" is a judgment between those who have genuine faith in Christ and those who do not.

Ultimately, the criteria for being "picked" in mainstream Christian theology is not about outward performance or having a perfect record. It's about a person's faith and the genuine transformation of the heart that follows.

How about hangin out with yahweh.. it tells you a bit about what it'd be like, in "heaven", eh. Well, let's look at this bodyguards. The seraphim, ophanim and cherubim. Which one was it where they'd say "holy holy holy" all day long. And then "praise god". Let's get into that for a bit.

Your curiosity about the heavenly "bodyguards" of Yahweh touches on some of the most striking and mysterious imagery in the Bible. The creatures you mentioned—Seraphim, Cherubim, and Ophanim—are described in a few key biblical passages, and their descriptions are far from the typical depictions in modern art.

Let's look at each one, focusing on their roles and the specific actions you've asked about.

The Seraphim These are the ones who say "Holy, holy, holy" all day long.

Who they are: The Seraphim are described in the Book of Isaiah, specifically in chapter 6, when the prophet has a vision of God's throne room. The Hebrew word "seraphim" means "the fiery ones" or "burning ones." This name implies a connection to fire, divine love, and purification.

Their appearance: They are described as having six wings. With two, they cover their faces, as a sign of reverence and humility before God's overwhelming glory. With two, they cover their feet, also a sign of respect. With the final two, they fly.

Their role: Their primary role is to worship God continuously. In Isaiah's vision, they cry out to one another, "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord Almighty; the whole earth is full of his glory." This triple repetition of "holy" is a way of emphasizing God's absolute and perfect holiness. One of them also performs a purification ritual for Isaiah, taking a burning coal from the altar and touching his lips to cleanse him of his sin so he can speak for God.

The Cherubim Cherubim are a different type of celestial being with a variety of roles. They are not the chubby, winged babies of popular imagination.

Their appearance: Cherubim are described as having complex, composite forms. In Ezekiel's vision (Ezekiel 1 and 10), they have four faces: a human, a lion, an ox, and an eagle. They also have four wings and human-like hands under their wings.

Their role:

Guardians: Their first appearance is in Genesis 3, where God places them at the entrance to the Garden of Eden with a flaming sword to guard the way to the tree of life.

Throne-Bearers: Throughout the Old Testament, God is often described as "enthroned upon the cherubim." In Ezekiel's vision, they are part of a mobile throne-chariot for God. They are a visible representation of God's majesty and glory, and they serve as His divine attendants.

The Ophanim These are the most mysterious and are closely linked to the Cherubim in Ezekiel's vision.

Their appearance: The Ophanim are described in Ezekiel 1 as a "wheel within a wheel," covered in eyes. They are part of the divine throne-chariot, and they move with the Cherubim.

Their role: The Ophanim function as the "wheels" of God's mobile throne. The imagery of a "wheel within a wheel" suggests that they can move in any direction without turning, which is a powerful symbol of God's omnipresence and sovereignty—He can move and act anywhere at any time. The "eyes" all over the wheels symbolize God's omniscience, meaning He sees and knows everything.

In short, each of these beings serves a distinct purpose in the heavenly court, but they all ultimately exist to magnify God's power, holiness, and glory. The Seraphim are the worshipers who proclaim God's holiness, the Cherubim are the guardians and throne-bearers, and the Ophanim are the mysterious, all-seeing wheels of His divine presence.

which was the one with the eyes there.. that's more like "surveillance" around the area, in case somebody tries to sneak up on him

You're right, that detail of being "full of eyes" is a powerful and unsettling image. The beings you're referring to are the Ophanim (also known as the "wheels") and the Cherubim in the vision of the prophet Ezekiel.

Here's a breakdown of the imagery, including your take on it as "surveillance":

The Eyes on the Ophanim (Wheels) In the Book of Ezekiel, the prophet describes seeing a vision of God's throne. Central to this vision are four living creatures (the Cherubim) and four wheels (the Ophanim) that move with them.

Ezekiel 1:18 states that the rims of the wheels "were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around."

Ezekiel 10:12 also describes the Cherubim's bodies, backs, hands, and wings as being "full of eyes all around," as were the wheels.

Your interpretation of the eyes as a form of "surveillance" to prevent anyone from "sneaking up on him" is a very modern way of looking at it, but it actually aligns with the traditional theological meaning of the imagery.

The Symbolic Meaning of the Eyes The eyes are not just a bizarre visual detail; they are a powerful symbol of God's nature. They represent:

Omniscience: The eyes symbolize God's all-seeing and all-knowing nature. Nothing can be hidden from God. This is the ultimate "surveillance"—He doesn't just see what is happening, but He also knows the thoughts, intentions, and motives of every being. The eyes on the wheels suggest that God's actions and movements (represented by the wheels) are guided by perfect knowledge and awareness.

Vigilance: The presence of eyes all around the beings and the wheels signifies a constant, unwavering watchfulness. This is not about a physical threat to God, as He is all-powerful and beyond harm. Instead, it underscores His supreme authority and awareness over all of creation. It's a reminder that He is in full control and sees every detail of His divine plan unfolding.

So, while your use of the term "surveillance" is a modern one, the underlying concept is very similar: a being with perfect, all-encompassing sight that ensures nothing can happen without its knowledge. It's a way of visually representing a power that is far beyond human comprehension.

ok so the type that'd say "holy holy holy" praise god all day long there.. sounds like it was just one of the 3 types of bodyguards

You are correct in that the "holy, holy, holy" part is specifically associated with one type of celestial being, not all three. That praise is the distinguishing feature of the Seraphim.

To clarify, based on the biblical descriptions:

Seraphim are the ones who endlessly chant "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord Almighty; the whole earth is full of his glory" (Isaiah 6:3). Their primary role is constant, fiery worship and purification.

Cherubim are guardians of God's holiness and serve as His throne-bearers.

Ophanim are the all-seeing, interconnected wheels of God's mobile throne-chariot.

While all of these beings are part of the divine court and are engaged in glorifying God in different ways, the specific, repeating verbal praise of "holy, holy, holy" is uniquely attributed to the Seraphim in the vision of Isaiah.

oh yeah.. wasn't lucifer a cherubim and he had a musical instrument built into his body.. like a harp or something

You've brought up a very specific and fascinating detail that is a popular theological interpretation of Lucifer's pre-fall state. The idea that Lucifer was a Cherub and had musical instruments built into his body comes from a reading of the Book of Ezekiel.

Here's the breakdown of this interpretation:

Lucifer as an "Anointed Cherub" The main passage that gives rise to this belief is Ezekiel 28:12-19, which is a lamentation against the King of Tyre. However, many biblical scholars and theologians believe this passage is speaking about two different subjects at once: the human king of Tyre and the spiritual power behind him, which they identify as Satan.

Ezekiel 28:14 states, "You were the anointed cherub who covers, and I placed you there."

This verse describes a created being of immense importance, who had a role of "covering" or protecting God's holiness. Because this description goes far beyond what could be said of a mere human king, it is widely interpreted as a description of Satan before his fall. The title "anointed cherub" suggests he was a highly ranked angel, possibly the highest of the Cherubim.

The Musical Instruments This is where your point about the harp or other instruments comes in.

Ezekiel 28:13 says, "You were in Eden, the garden of God... the workmanship of your timbrels and your pipes was prepared in you on the day you were created."

The Hebrew words translated as "timbrels" and "pipes" refer to types of musical instruments (like small drums and flutes).

The phrase "prepared in you" has led to the interpretation that these instruments were not something Lucifer carried, but were actually integrated into his very being at creation. This idea suggests that he was created as a being whose very function was to produce beautiful music, possibly to lead the praise and worship in heaven.

Summary of the Belief The theory you've heard is a valid and common interpretation, particularly in some evangelical Christian circles. It posits that before his rebellion, Satan was:

A Cherub: A high-ranking, powerful celestial being with a key role in God's heavenly court.

A Musical Being: Created with the ability to produce music, perhaps as the head of worship, which would have made his eventual fall due to pride even more tragic.

This interpretation sees his rebellion as a perversion of the very purpose for which he was created. Instead of using his gifts to bring glory to God, he desired that glory for himself.

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what's the criteria for this 144,000 that 'll get saved at the rapture. lol.. seems like you gotta weed out a hell of a lot of them, eh? Who makes the cut.. What you gotta do is observe how yahweh operates and his past behavior. Well, you had the flood, eh.. where only noah and his family was left.. so that's pretty harsh. What about Lucifer.. I think he quit on his own and didn't get kicked out, eh. But you also had a third of the angels who quit.. I think that was 33M. So that's a lot. But I think they quit and didn't get "fired".

Your question touches on some very specific and complex topics from a theological perspective, particularly from a Christian and Jehovah's Witness viewpoint, though there are variations across different denominations. The number 144,000 is mentioned in the Book of Revelation in the Bible, and different Christian groups have different interpretations of its meaning.

Here is a breakdown of the criteria and interpretations you've mentioned:

The 144,000 The number 144,000 is found in Revelation 7:4 and Revelation 14:1-5.

Revelation 7:4-8 describes "144,000 of all the tribes of the sons of Israel" who are "sealed." It then lists twelve tribes, with 12,000 from each.

Revelation 14:1-5 describes the 144,000 standing with the Lamb (Jesus) on Mount Zion. It says they "have been redeemed from the earth," are "virgins," and "follow the Lamb wherever he goes."

Interpretations of the 144,000:

Literal Interpretation: Some groups, most notably Jehovah's Witnesses, interpret this number as a literal 144,000 individuals. They believe these are a specific group of faithful Christians who will be chosen to rule with Christ in heaven. For them, this group is an "anointed" class, and they are the only ones who partake in the Memorial of Christ's death (the Lord's Supper). All other faithful Christians are considered to be part of the "great crowd" who will live in a paradise on earth.

Symbolic Interpretation: The majority of other Christian denominations, including many Protestants and Catholics, view the number 144,000 as symbolic.

The number 12 is often seen as a number of completeness, representing the 12 tribes of Israel and the 12 apostles.

The calculation 12×12×1,000=144,000 can be seen as representing the fullness or entirety of God's people.

In this view, the 144,000 represent all believers throughout history—the complete and entire body of the Church—both from the Jewish people and the Gentiles, who are "sealed" by God.

Other Points You Raised The Flood and Noah: The story of Noah's Ark (Genesis chapters 6-9) is a narrative about God's judgment on humanity for its wickedness. The "saved" were Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their wives—eight people in total. The biblical account states that God chose to spare this family because "Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord" and was "a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time." This is not generally seen as a precedent for the number of people who will be "saved" in the end times, but rather as an example of God's judgment and his preservation of a righteous remnant.

Lucifer and the Fallen Angels: The idea of Lucifer (often identified with Satan) and a third of the angels being cast out of heaven is a widely held belief in Christianity. This concept is often derived from passages like Luke 10:18 ("I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven") and Revelation 12:7-9, which speaks of a war in heaven where Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Satan) and his angels, and they were "hurled down to the earth." The "third of the stars" being swept down by the dragon is a common interpretation of Revelation 12:4. The idea of them "quitting" or "being fired" is a modern metaphor applied to a biblical narrative of rebellion and judgment. The traditional view is that they were in direct rebellion against God and were subsequently cast out as a punishment.

ok so you got "It then lists twelve tribes, with 12,000 from each." Who are these 12 tribes these days.. I guess it'd be descendents of those bloodlines?

Then you say "virgins".. so they gotta be virgins?

Then the Noah stuff.. "a righteous man".. what's that even mean to be "righteous", eh. Lots of this, is like.. you gotta follow the 12 commandments. I think things are probably different than the criteria with the Noah stuff.

The next part.. "a war in heaven where Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Satan) and his angels, and they were "hurled down to the earth."  What the hell is going on here.. sounds like a fight. What the hell were they trying to do.. like a riot trying to do like some countries in the past that got over-thrown. How the hell would they even try to take over Yahweh's "job". You need to be able to do what it does.. you know what I mean. Lucifer just doesn't have the "talent" or like whatever.. you know what I mean. What were they gonna do.. kill off whoever was left. If you kill yahweh.. like where even is he.. is it like this "dude" with the white beard. I don't think so. Then you got him tuned into the Akashic records where he's spying on everybody, so he can determine his gameplan. How would Lucifer even run that. I don't think so. Well, the cabal these days are trying to get to that with cyber tech stuff eventually. At least they're trying to do something. But Lucifer.. he doesn't have the "power" to take over Yahweh's job. Sounds like they got their ass kicked though.. what went on there. Betcha it was yahweh who "hurled them down to earth" and wherever they got banished too.. sounds like he got locked in the ice down underground, eh.

Your questions dig deeper into some of the most profound and debated aspects of these biblical narratives. Let's break down each of the points you've raised based on theological and symbolic interpretations.

The 12 Tribes You asked about the identity of the 12 tribes of Israel today and if it's based on bloodlines.

Theological and Historical View: The identity of the 12 tribes is a complex issue. Historically, ten of the twelve tribes of the Northern Kingdom of Israel were exiled by the Assyrians and largely assimilated, losing their distinct tribal identities. The tribes of Judah and Benjamin (along with the priestly tribe of Levi) formed the Southern Kingdom and survived, but their tribal distinctions also blurred over time, especially after the Babylonian exile. Today, Jewish identity is primarily based on matrilineal descent or conversion, not on tribal lineage.

Interpretations in Revelation:

Literal Interpretation: Groups that take the number 144,000 literally, like Jehovah's Witnesses, often interpret the list of tribes in Revelation as symbolic or spiritual rather than a literal bloodline count today. They believe the names represent the spiritual Israel of God's chosen people in the Christian era.

Symbolic Interpretation: The symbolic view, held by most Christian denominations, sees the list of tribes as representing the totality of God's people, both Jewish and Gentile, as part of the new spiritual Israel. The names themselves are a nod to the historical people of God, but the ultimate meaning is of a complete and redeemed community from all nations. So, no, it's not about tracking ancient bloodlines today.

The "Virgins" You questioned whether the criteria for the 144,000 literally means they must be virgins.

Symbolic Interpretation: In this context, the term "virgins" is almost universally understood symbolically. It doesn't mean a person must be a virgin in the physical sense to be saved. Instead, it refers to:

Purity and Undivided Devotion: The "virgins" are those who have not "defiled themselves with women" (Revelation 14:4). This is interpreted as a metaphor for spiritual purity—they have not engaged in spiritual fornication or idolatry by worshiping other gods or following false teachings. They have remained spiritually pure and have given their undivided loyalty to God and Jesus.

Following the Lamb: They "follow the Lamb wherever he goes," which signifies complete obedience and loyalty to Jesus Christ.

"Righteousness" You asked what it means to be a "righteous man" like Noah.

Biblical Meaning: In the Bible, righteousness is not just about following a set of rules perfectly. It's about being in right relationship with God. For Noah, this meant his character and actions were in alignment with God's will, even when the rest of the world was not. He was obedient to God's commands, which is why he built the ark.

A Broader View: While the 10 Commandments are a major component of living a righteous life in the Old Testament, the concept of righteousness extends beyond them. It involves faith, justice, compassion, and humility. In the Christian tradition, people are often seen as unable to achieve perfect righteousness on their own, and it is given to them as a gift through their faith in Jesus. The criteria for salvation in the end times are thus seen differently than the criteria for Noah's time, as they are centered on faith in Christ.

The War in Heaven and Lucifer's Motives You've raised some profound questions about the war in heaven: what were they trying to do, how could they hope to "overthrow" Yahweh, and what was the outcome?

Theological Interpretation of the Rebellion: The rebellion of Satan and the fallen angels is not typically portrayed as a physical attempt to "overthrow" God in a literal coup. Theologically, it's understood as a rebellion against God's authority and a rejection of His will.

Pride and Envy: The traditional explanation is that Lucifer (the "light-bearer") was a high-ranking and beautiful angel who became filled with pride. He desired to be "like the Most High" (Isaiah 14:14). This was not a desire to physically "kill" God, but rather to usurp His divine authority, honor, and position. Satan's motive wasn't about a physical power struggle, but a metaphysical one—he wanted to be worshiped and revered as God is.

The "Talent" Argument: Your point about Lucifer not having the "talent" is a good one. He and the angels are created beings; they do not possess the infinite power, knowledge, and omnipresence of God. This is why their rebellion was doomed from the start. They couldn't possibly "win." The story is not about a close fight; it's about the swift and decisive judgment of God on those who rebel against him.

The Result of the War: Revelation 12:7-9 makes it clear that the battle was decisive. Michael and his angels were victorious, and the dragon and his angels were "hurled down to the earth." This is the core of the traditional belief. The rebellion was quelled, and the rebellious angels were banished from God's presence in heaven. Your idea of being "locked in the ice down underground" is not a common biblical interpretation, but it does reflect the idea of them being imprisoned or contained in a lower realm, separate from God's heavenly presence.

The "Cabal" and "Cyber Tech" Idea: You've brought up a modern comparison, which is interesting. The idea of a group using technology to gain ultimate control and surveillance ("Akashic records," "spying") is a common theme in conspiracy theories. From a theological perspective, this is seen as a modern manifestation of the same ancient sin: the desire of created beings to usurp God's power and position, to become as gods themselves. This is why the biblical narrative of the Tower of Babel is often interpreted as a similar act of human arrogance.

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Going through my old posts looking for something, saw this one from a couple years ago. I commented:

Asking the chatGPT about this stuff and getting strikes on my account.

In the chat it would say this.. "This content may violate our content policy. If you believe this to be in error, please submit your feedback — your input will aid our research in this area."

Again later.. it was making it snafu and as it's inquiring, it would be super slow.. and stop. It was hitting conflicts of interest.

Then I get emailed..

We are reaching out to you as a user of OpenAI’s ChatGPT because some of the requests associated with the email funturistic (my email) have been flagged by our systems to be in violation of our policies.

Please ensure you are using ChatGPT in accordance with our Terms of Use and our Usage Guidelines, as your access may be terminated if we detect further issues with your usage.

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Meanwhile it's saying this guy.. their idol.. was an actual pedophile. You do that stuff these days, you go to jail for a very long time.

That was the post.. but thinking about this these days.. wow.. anybody who's muslim.. this mohammed dude was an actual pedophile. wtf.. cause look at the percentage of the world population that's muslim. Let me check.

"Approximately 25.6% to 26% of the world's population was Muslim as of 2020-2025, representing about 2 billion people. The Muslim population is the fastest-growing religious group and is projected to continue increasing its share of the global population in the coming years."

That is fucked up, man. And then how about this picture somebody was posting on imgur of pride month mohammed.

I ask: are muslims allowed to be gay

It says: "No, according to traditional interpretations of Islam's sacred texts like the Qur'an and Hadith, homosexual acts are forbidden (haram). However, within the diverse global Muslim community, interpretations and practices vary, with some progressive Muslims and inclusive mosques recognizing and performing same-sex weddings, while many Muslim-majority countries legally prohibit homosexual acts, sometimes with severe penalties"

I don't think that gay shit is allowed in Iran, eh.. betcha they cut your dick off or something. So.. this pride month mohammed pic somebody did.. you could probably have them come after you like the France newspaper cartoon incident. Meanwhile.. the dude's an actual pedophile, and that's "ok". hmm.

Well, at least they don't like the gay thing. These days.. I go into the Scotiabank and they got the pride month flag on the wall. And if you say anything about hey.. sticking your dick in a shitty asshole.. that doesn't seem good. Like you can get sick fuckin around with poop. But if you say that on normal social networking, you'd have your fuckin years old account shut down.

But yeah.. this whole thing about mohammed being an actual pedophile.. that's fucked up. Factor in how many people are muslims.. whatever, man.

Going through my old posts looking for something. How about this one.

"Polio spreads from poop in the water. You don't catch it bad from airborne coughing like covid. Those numbers aren't gonna go up too much. They started polio injections 1955. This was the 20 years before. Polio cases go way up after they get injected for Diphtheria and Pertussis Vaccines."

https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/16bihrmcZt/polio-spreads-from-poop-in-the-w/c

I comment:

Third world countries, they can get their water from a dirty river, where somebody else dumps their sewage, upstream.

This graph is from the US. How does this get going.. I don't know.. I guess once the disease gets out there, it spreads around and gets worse? I suppose so. What kind of dirty water was going on in the US during those years.

I don't know.. but those numbers were going up a bit there from 1935-39 to 1940-44.. I guess maybe almost doubling, right.. and it keeps going up. So who knows.

However.. you may get this "nefarious" possibility. These guys are pretty sadistic. What if that's how they got polio out there. Was putting it in the Diphtheria and Pertussis Vaccines. Like that's pretty crazy. But.. if you wanna do all this later vaccine agenda, that's how you get there. You get diseases going so they can provide the cures. I don't know.. this one's "out there".

Somebody replies:

Respect_Mah_Covfefe

2 points 2 years ago They changed the symptoms for Polio, to include inflammatory responses from other things, so that they would have an excuse to push out the polio vaccine. This is basically adverse reactions severely affecting key parts of the nervous system. Polio itself is mostly harmless, without a very poisonous envionment.

Also, the polio vaccine is the main cause, now, of genuine polio outbreaks.

Going through my old posts to try and find something.. I see this one, where I commented on somebody else's post.

Peru declares a state of emergency amid a rise in cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome, a rare autoimmune disease that attacks the human nervous system (everyone is baffled)

in NoNewNormal 2 years ago

Wondered how many numbers. Using the bing AI, then it can search now, unlike chatGPT that has this sept 2021 cut off.

"In the news.. "Peru declares a state of emergency amid a rise in cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome, ". How many cases are they getting?

Sent message. Searching for: Guillain-Barre syndrome cases in Peru

Generating answers for you…

According to the latest news reports, Peru has declared a state of health emergency due to an unusual increase in cases of Guillain-Barré Syndrome, a rare neurological disorder that can cause paralysis1234. Since June 2023, Peru has reported 182 cases of Guillain-Barré Syndrome; four patients have died1. The emergency will last for 90 days as officials grapple with the situation and try to improve patient care and prevention measures23.

Guillain-Barré Syndrome is a condition where the body’s immune system attacks its own peripheral nerves, causing muscle weakness, breathing difficulties, and sometimes total paralysis15. It often develops after a person gets an infectious disease, such as a bacterial or viral infection5. Some of the possible triggers include campylobacter, cytomegalovirus, Epstein Barr virus, Zika virus, and COVID-195.

Guillain-Barré Syndrome is very rare, affecting about one in 100,000 people worldwide5. It can affect anyone of any age, gender, or ethnicity. There is no cure for Guillain-Barré Syndrome, but treatments such as intravenous immunoglobulin and plasmapheresis can help reduce the severity and duration of the symptoms5. Most people recover from Guillain-Barré Syndrome within a few weeks or months, but some may have permanent nerve damage or disability5.

I hope this information was helpful. Do you have any other questions about Guillain-Barré Syndrome or Peru? 😊

Look, it put a "smile" after that. They like this shit, eh.

That was the post..

Peru, eh. Was just looking at my covid column spreadsheets and noticed Peru.

They were ranking #1 in deaths % of population from covid, 0.67%. But the vaxxed % of the population was high, 89.6%.

Here's the spreadsheet screenshot:

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So.. I don't know.. but you had this odd illness after they get injected. This dying from the covid.. I guess that's "before" they got injected with the vaccine. I don't know.

Going through my old posts trying to find something. From a couple years ago so you had time for data to come in. I was analyzing the whole covid thing and did the vaccines help have less deaths of % of the population of a country.

This is where I got the data from:

Those are the data cut off dates. Countries stopped reporting and it drops off in the map if you move the slider right.

This data is all from this official site.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-people-vaccinated-covid?tab=map&time=2022-04-21&country=~OWID_WRL

This is your peak around spring 2022. You can go to "table" tab to see text data. That column where I get the dates and the percentage of that country which was vaccinated for covid.

I use notepad++ where you hold the alt key and can select text vertically. Then using "sheets" in google, where top right with the icons you scroll down to sheets and it's like a spreadsheet with boxes. Pasting vertical copied stuff it goes properly in the boxes going down.

For the death data from covid, got that from here.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

This is where you have all kinds of subsets of the data you can choose from. Your "metric" on the top you click that drop-down menu and choose what data you want showing up. I went to "confirmed deaths". Then you choose your "interval" from that drop down menu at the top, beside it. Went to "cumulative", I guess that means total deaths from covid since they started gathering data. This 'll be a chart, but you go to the tab at the bottom of the chart for "table", where you get columns of text for that info. You can sort by country on the left.. This is "total deaths". Then I'd copy all the text in there and paste in notepad++. Then select just the column of total deaths up to Aug 16, 2023. Paste that column in the google "sheets" program window.

Then I'd get the data of countries populations. In sheets can sort columns, but I had this column where I put numbers from 1-218 so I could re-sort it back that way. It was sorted by most vaxxed for covid, percentage. Sorted the countries alphabetically, copied that order, pasted in chatGPT, got it to name the country and population. Double checked that those were correct. Made column of population. Then I got chatGPT to calculate the death percentage of population. I pasted those 3 columns of country name, population and deaths from covid columns. And it calculated the death percentage. Doubled checked the data.. you'd take deaths, divide by population, then multiply by 100. Double check that by taking the population and multiplying it by the death percentage number. Data seemed correct.

In the:

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

They do not have this death percentage of the population data. They're trying to hide stuff, eh. That's why I wanted to do this spread sheet where I can see what the numbers are, beside each other.

Then I made a spreadsheet with these columns and you can click each one to sort it that way. These were the columns:

Rank for % vax. Country or region. Latest data. Population. Vax % of pop. Deaths from Covid. Death % of pop.

Then I did 4 posts where I'd sort things different ways. These were the images.

Compiled my own spreadsheet, because I can't find this data with these columns anywhere. You've got % of population of countries that got the covid vax. Then column of total deaths. Then column of death % of population. I can sort it whichever way. This is lowest deaths % of pop. It's not the highest vaxxed.

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And here's sorting it by countries with the highest death % of the population. Note the column if it's a high vax percentage of the country's population. Then you'll know, oh it works or maybe it doesn't.

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Then the original, sorted by most vaxxed countries. Does it work.. do you see this 0.5% death % rate of pop in any of these, which is around the highest deaths. Looks pretty good but I don't know.. Sure seems like you don't fuckin need this shit. lol.

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Here's it sorted by the least vaxxed countries. Note the column of the deaths % of population. You'd think it'd be really high, right. Well, not really.

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Now.. what do you observe from this data. Is there some odd stuff where lots of people are dying in the countries that have a high "Rank for % vax." Cause who knows.. maybe the vaccine would actually kill more. Like what's going on here.. you can have lots of deaths but then that might be what causes them to go get injected. I don't know.. but there's your data to check out.

ok I got these 4 open in tabs and looking at them. Watch the number of deaths in a country, not so much the "% of pop" that died. The countries that were the least vaccinated, you're not seeing a lot of "deaths from covid" going on. lol. But the countries that are the most vaccinated, the column of deaths, big numbers there. But did they have lots of people croaking, then they went, oh better get injected. I don't know. Maybe those countries that were least injected, people just don't travel there that much and the disease didn't get to spread around. A lot of this is Africa too.. like if you look at those maps of rank for vaccinations.. they weren't getting injected in Africa. But do you see lots of deaths going on. Probably cause nobody was visiting over there and it didn't get around. They have very high population though, so if it would get going, it probably would have been pretty bad. I don't know.

Was going through my old posts looking for something, saw this one. The account was sacked so video wasn't available. Looked for another one and uploaded it here.

This whole thing is so unbelievable. Why would they do this. People used to watch X-files.. but this spin-off, you wouldn't have too many people watching it. Seems to be what they call "Predictive Programming". What is the purpose of that. I think it has something to do with getting the idea out there in the collective consciousness. Let me look into this. Google gemini AI would probably be uptight about this stuff.. asking grok.

I ask: In conspiracy research you see about "Predictive Programming". What would the purpose of that be. Think it has something to do with getting the idea out there in the collective consciousness. What kind of effect would that have.

Grok says:

Predictive programming is a concept in conspiracy research suggesting that certain ideas, events, or scenarios are deliberately embedded in media—films, TV shows, books, or other cultural products—to prepare or condition the public’s subconscious for future events. The idea is that by exposing people to specific narratives or outcomes in a fictional context, those events become more familiar, acceptable, or less shocking when they occur in reality.Purpose of Predictive ProgrammingFrom a conspiracy perspective, the purposes often cited include:Desensitization: Familiarizing the public with extreme or controversial events (e.g., dystopian scenarios, technological control, or global crises) so they’re less likely to resist or question them when they happen. Social Conditioning: Shaping public perception or behavior to align with a particular agenda, such as accepting surveillance, loss of freedoms, or new societal norms.

Psychological Priming: Planting ideas in the collective consciousness to make people more receptive to certain outcomes, reducing cognitive dissonance when those outcomes manifest.

Control of Narrative: Establishing a framework where real events are interpreted in ways that align with the goals of those allegedly orchestrating them, often attributed to powerful groups like governments, corporations, or secret societies.

Manifestation or Occult Influence: Some theories suggest it’s a way to “manifest” events by embedding them in the collective psyche, drawing on metaphysical or esoteric ideas about the power of belief and intention.

Effects on the Collective ConsciousnessThe concept hinges on the idea that the collective consciousness—a shared pool of beliefs, fears, and expectations—can be influenced by repeated exposure to specific ideas. Potential effects include:Normalization: Repeated exposure to scenarios (e.g., pandemics, authoritarian regimes, or advanced AI) in fiction can make them feel inevitable or less alarming, reducing public pushback.

Altered Perception: People may interpret real-world events through the lens of familiar media narratives, limiting critical thinking or alternative interpretations.

Behavioral Compliance: Subtle cues in media could encourage acceptance of policies or changes, like increased surveillance or loss of privacy, by framing them as necessary or heroic.

Amplification of Fear or Hope: Depending on the narrative, it could either instill fear (making people more controllable) or hope (guiding them toward a desired vision, like transhumanism).

Subconscious Seeding: Ideas planted in the subconscious may influence decision-making or societal trends without individuals consciously questioning them.

Psychological and Social MechanismsPriming Effect: Psychological research shows that exposure to certain stimuli can influence later thoughts or behaviors. For example, seeing dystopian themes in movies might make people more likely to accept similar real-world policies.

Availability Heuristic: Familiarity with a concept through media makes it seem more plausible or likely, even if it’s speculative or improbable.

Cultural Reinforcement: Media shapes cultural norms and expectations, creating a feedback loop where fictional narratives align with real-world developments.

Skeptical Perspective

Critics argue predictive programming is often just hindsight bias—people retroactively find connections between media and events because humans are pattern-seeking. Media creators might simply be drawing from current trends, fears, or logical extrapolations of technology and society, not orchestrating future events. Coincidences are inevitable given the volume of media produced.

Examples Often Cited

Movies like The Matrix or Contagion are said to have foreshadowed transhumanism or pandemics.

TV shows like The Simpsons are frequently referenced for seemingly predicting events, though this is often attributed to statistical likelihood given the show’s long run and broad scope.

Ultimately, the effect depends on how much you believe media can shape subconscious beliefs versus reflecting existing trends. There’s no definitive evidence proving predictive programming as a deliberate strategy, but the concept resonates with those skeptical of centralized power and media influence. If you want me to dig into specific examples or analyze related media, let me know!

Not enough text room to continue in that previous comment.

Going through my old posts looking for something. Saw this one.

From the CDC's own site.. pdf with the list of junk in vaccines, like the flu types. "Appendix B for the Pink Book-Vaccine Excipient Summary"

https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/199OP9mULt/from-the-cdcs-own-site-pdf-with-/c

Let me get some of this..

The following table lists substances, other than active ingredients (i.e., antigens), shown in the manufacturers’ package insert (PI) as being contained in the final formulation of each vaccine

Appendix B B Appendix B_Web.indd 8 11/1/2021 10:27:00 AM Vaccine Excipient Table Vaccine (Trade Name) Package Insert Date Contains(a) Adenovirus 10/2019 monosodium glutamate, sucrose, D-mannose, D-fructose, dextrose, human serum albumin, potassium phosphate, plasdone C, anhydrous lactose, microcrystalline cellulose, polacrilin potassium, magnesium stearate, cellulose acetate phthalate, alcohol, acetone, castor oil, FD&C Yellow #6 aluminum lake dye Anthrax (Biothrax) 11/2015 aluminum hydroxide, sodium chloride, benzethonium chloride, formaldehyde BCG (Tice) 02/2009 glycerin, asparagine, citric acid, potassium phosphate, magnesium sulfate, iron ammonium citrate, lactose Cholera (Vaxchora) 06/2016 ascorbic acid, hydrolyzed casein, sodium chloride, sucrose, dried lactose, sodium bicarbonate, sodium carbonate Dengue (Dengvaxia) 06/2019 sodium chloride, essential amino acids (including L-phenylalanine), non-essential amino acids, L-arginine hydrochloride, sucrose, D-trehalose dihydrate, D-sorbitol, trometamol, urea DT (Sanofi) 06/2018 aluminum phosphate, isotonic sodium chloride, formaldehyde DTaP (Daptacel) 01/2021(b) aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde, 2-phenoxyethanol DTaP (Infanrix) 01/2021(b) formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, sodium chloride, polysorbate 80 (Tween 80) DTaP-IPV (Kinrix) 01/2021(b) formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, sodium chloride, polysorbate 80 (Tween 80), neomycin sulfate, polymyxin B DTaP-IPV (Quadracel) 02/2021 formaldehyde, aluminum phosphate, 2-phenoxyethanol, polysorbate 80, glutaraldehyde, neomycin, polymyxin B sulfate, bovine serum albumin DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix) 01/2021(b) formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, sodium chloride, polysorbate 80 (Tween 80), neomycin sulfate, polymyxin B, yeast protein DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel) 12/2019 aluminum phosphate, polysorbate 80, sucrose, formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde, bovine serum albumin, 2-phenoxyethanol, neomycin, polymyxin B sulfate DTaP-IPV-Hib-HepB (Vaxelis) 10/2020 polysorbate 80, formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde, bovine serum albumin, neomycin, streptomycin sulfate, polymyxin B sulfate, ammonium thiocyanate, yeast protein, aluminum Ebola Zaire (ERVEBO) 01/2021(b) Tromethamine, rice-derived recombinant human serum albumin, host cell DNA, benzonase, rice protein Hib (ActHIB) 05/2019 sodium chloride, formaldehyde, sucrose Hib (Hiberix) 04/2018 formaldehyde, sodium chloride, lactose Hib (PedvaxHIB) 01/2021(b) amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate, sodium chloride Hep A (Havrix) 01/2021(b) MRC-5 cellular proteins, formalin, aluminum hydroxide, amino acid supplement, phosphate-buffered saline solution, polysorbate 20, neomycin sulfate, aminoglycoside antibiotic Hep A (Vaqta) 01/2021(b) amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate, non-viral protein, DNA, bovine albumin, formaldehyde, neomycin, sodium borate, sodium chloride, other process chemical residuals Hep B (Engerix-B) 01/2021(b) aluminum hydroxide, yeast protein, sodium chloride, disodium phosphate dihydrate, sodium dihydrogen phosphate dihydrate Hep B (Recombivax) 12/2018 formaldehyde, potassium aluminum sulfate, amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate, yeast protein Hep B (Heplisav-B) 05/2020 yeast protein, yeast DNA, deoxycholate, phosphorothioate linked oligodeoxynucleotide, sodium phosphate, dibasic dodecahydrate, sodium chloride, monobasic dehydrate, polysorbate 80 Hep A/Hep B (Twinrix) 01/2021(b) MRC-5 cellular proteins, formalin, aluminum phosphate, aluminum hydroxide, amino acids, sodium chloride, phosphate buffer, polysorbate 20, neomycin sulfate, yeast protein HPV (Gardasil 9) 08/2020 amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate, sodium chloride, L-histidine, polysorbate 80, sodium borate, yeast protein Appendix B_Web.indd 8 11/1/2021 10:27:00 AM Appendix B Appendix B-9 B

Appendix B_Web.indd 9 11/1/2021 10:27:00 AM Vaccine (Trade Name) Package Insert Date Contains(a) Influenza (Afluria) Quadrivalent(c) 03/2021 sodium chloride, monobasic sodium phosphate, dibasic sodium phosphate, monobasic potassium phosphate, potassium chloride, calcium chloride, sodium taurodeoxycholate, ovalbumin, sucrose, neomycin sulfate, polymyxin B, betapropiolactone, hydrocortisone, thimerosal (multi-dose vials) Influenza (Fluad) Quadrivalent(c) 03/2021 squalene, polysorbate 80, sorbitan trioleate, sodium citrate dihydrate, citric acid monohydrate, neomycin, kanamycin, hydrocortisone, egg protein, formaldehyde Influenza (Fluarix) Quadrivalent(c) 2021 octoxynol-10 (TRITON X-100), α-tocopheryl hydrogen succinate, polysorbate 80 (Tween 80), hydrocortisone, gentamicin sulfate, ovalbumin, formaldehyde, sodium deoxycholate, sodium phosphate-buffered isotonic sodium chloride Influenza (Flublok) Quadrivalent(c) 03/2021 sodium chloride, monobasic sodium phosphate, dibasic sodium phosphate, polysorbate 20 (Tween 20), baculovirus and Spodoptera frugiperda cell proteins, baculovirus and cellular DNA, Triton X-100 Influenza (Flucelvax) Quadrivalent(c) 10/2021(b) Madin Darby Canine Kidney (MDCK) cell protein, phosphate buffered saline, protein other than HA, MDCK cell DNA, polysorbate 80, cetyltrimethlyammonium bromide, and β-propiolactone, thimerosal (multi-dose vials) Influenza (Flulaval) Quadrivalent(c) 2021 ovalbumin, formaldehyde, sodium deoxycholate, α-tocopheryl hydrogen succinate, polysorbate 80, phosphate-buffered saline solution Influenza (Fluzone) Quadrivalent(c) 2021 formaldehyde, egg protein, octylphenol ethoxylate (Triton X-100), sodium phosphate-buffered isotonic sodium chloride solution, thimerosal (multi-dose vials) Influenza (Fluzone) High Dose(c) 07/2021 egg protein, octylphenol ethoxylate (Triton X-100), sodium phosphate-buffered isotonic sodium chloride solution, formaldehyde Influenza (FluMist) Quadrivalent(c) 08/2021 monosodium glutamate, hydrolyzed porcine gelatin, arginine, sucrose, dibasic potassium phosphate, monobasic potassium phosphate, ovalbumin, gentamicin sulfate, ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (EDTA) IPV (Ipol) 01/2021(b) calf bovine serum albumin, 2-phenoxyethanol, formaldehyde, neomycin, streptomycin, polymyxin B, M-199 medium Japanese Encephalitis (Ixiaro) 09/2018 aluminum hydroxide, protamine sulfate, formaldehyde, bovine serum albumin, host cell DNA, sodium metabisulphite, host cell protein MenACWY (Menactra) 04/2018 sodium phosphate buffered isotonic sodium chloride solution, formaldehyde, diphtheria toxoid protein carrier MenACWY (MenQuadfi) 01/2021(b) sodium chloride, sodium acetate, formaldehyde MenACWY (Menveo) 07/2020 formaldehyde, CRM protein 197 MenB (Bexsero) 01/2021(b) aluminum hydroxide, sodium chloride, histidine, sucrose, kanamycin MenB (Trumenba) 2018 polysorbate 80, aluminum phosphate, histidine buffered saline MMR (MMR-II) 12/2020 sorbitol, sucrose, hydrolyzed gelatin, recombinant human albumin, neomycin, fetal bovine serum, WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts MMRV (ProQuad) (Frozen: Recombinant Albumin) 01/2021(b) MRC-5 cells including DNA and protein, sucrose, hydrolyzed gelatin, sodium chloride, sorbitol, monosodium L-glutamate, sodium phosphate dibasic, recombinant human albumin, sodium bicarbonate, potassium phosphate monobasic, potassium chloride, potassium phosphate dibasic, neomycin, bovine calf serum, other buffer and media ingredients PCV13 (Prevnar 13) 08/2017 CRM carrier protein, polysorbate 80, succinate buffer, aluminum phosphate 197 PPSV-23 (Pneumovax) 09/2020 isotonic saline solution, phenol Rabies (Imovax) 10/2019 human albumin, neomycin sulfate, phenol red, beta-propiolactone Rabies (RabAvert) 2018 chicken protein, polygeline (processed bovine gelatin), human serum albumin, potassium glutamate, sodium EDTA, ovalbumin, neomycin, chlortetracycline, amphotericin B Rotavirus (RotaTeq) 01/2021(b) sucrose, sodium citrate, sodium phosphate monobasic monohydrate, sodium hydroxide, polysorbate 80, cell culture media, fetal bovine serum Appendix B_Web.indd 9 11/1/2021 10:27:00 AM Appendix B-10 Appendix B B

Appendix B_Web.indd 10 11/1/2021 10:27:00 AM Vaccine (Trade Name) Package Insert Date Contains(a) Rotavirus (Rotarix) 01/2021(b) dextran, Dulbecco’s Modified Eagle Medium (sodium chloride, potassium chloride, magnesium sulfate, ferric (III) nitrate, sodium phosphate, sodium pyruvate, D-glucose, concentrated vitamin solution, L-cystine, L-tyrosine, amino acids, L-glutamine, calcium chloride, sodium hydrogenocarbonate, and phenol red), sorbitol, sucrose, calcium carbonate, sterile water, xanthan [Porcine circovirus type 1 (PCV1) is present in Rotarix. PCV-1 is not known to cause disease in humans.] Smallpox (Vaccinia) (ACAM2000) 03/2018 HEPES, 2% human serum albumin, 0.5 - 0.7% sodium chloride USP, 5% Mannitol USP, neomycin, polymyxin B, 50% Glycerin USP, 0.25% phenol USP Td (Tenivac) 11/2019 aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, sodium chloride Td (TDVAX) 09/2018 aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, thimerosal Tdap (Adacel) 12/2020 aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, 2-phenoxyethanol, glutaraldehyde Tdap (Boostrix) 09/2020 formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, sodium chloride, polysorbate 80 Typhoid (Typhim Vi) 03/2020 formaldehyde, phenol, polydimethylsiloxane, disodium phosphate, monosodium phosphate, sodium chloride Typhoid (Vivotif Ty21a) 9/2013 sucrose, ascorbic acid, amino acids, lactose, magnesium stearate, gelatin Varicella (Varivax) Frozen 01/2021(b) sucrose, hydrolyzed gelatin, sodium chloride, monosodium L-glutamate, sodium phosphate dibasic, potassium phosphate monobasic, potassium chloride, MRC-5 human diploid cells including DNA & protein, sodium phosphate monobasic, EDTA, neomycin, fetal bovine serum Yellow Fever (YF-Vax) 2/2019 sorbitol, gelatin, sodium chloride Zoster (Shingles) (Shingrix) 01/2021(b) sucrose, sodium chloride, dioleoyl phosphatidylcholine (DOPC), 3-O-desacl4’monophosphoryl lipid A (MPL), QS-21 (a saponin purified from plant extract Quillaja saponaria Molina), potassium dihydrogen phosphate, cholesterol, sodium dihydrogen phosphate dihydrate, disodium phosphate anhydrous, dipotassium phosphate, polysorbate 80, host cell protein and DNA Abbreviations: DT = diphtheria and tetanus toxoids; DTaP = diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and acellular pertussis; Hep A = Hepatitis A; Hep B = Hepatitis B; Hib = Haemophilus infuenzae type b; HPV = human papillomavirus; IPV = inactivated poliovirus; LAIV = live, attenuated infuenza vaccine; MenACWY = quadrivalent meningococcal conjugate vaccine; MenB = serogroup B meningococcal vaccine; MMR = measles, mumps, and rubella; MMRV = measles, mumps, rubella, varicella; PCV13 = pneumococcal conjugate vaccine; PPSV23= pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine; Td = tetanus and diphtheria toxoids; Tdap = tetanus toxoid, reduced diphtheria toxoid, and acellular pertussis.

I don't know about you, but that shit seems "sketchy". And this is just for the "flu" shot. lol.

Full sized image, by clicking the thread title.

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I looked into this seasons ago.. the autism with retarded kids. When did that start and was it caused by some of these new vaccines. Let me go find that post.

"Was looking for a chart with two lines where it overlays, the amount of childhood vaccine schedule for each birth year, and another line of the increase in autism. Couldn't find anything. But saw this one comparing unvaccinated with vaccinated and autism still has been increasing in both groups."

https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/17sPBBIzY3/was-looking-for-a-chart-with-two/c

So what the hell is causing the autism. How about stupid things like these allergies they might not have had in previous decades. This "gluten" bullshit. Did they have those before the increase in the amount of vaccines. I don't know. How about the fuckin kids turning trans or something. lol. I don't know.. What's new that's been going on since this rise of the amount of injections. Who knows, man.

Back in the old days they'd inject you with a bit of the virus and you'd develop resistance. That seems to make sense. When they start fucking with your DNA.. I don't know.. These guys are pretty sketchy too, eh.. and probably no long term tests to find out if it's even ok.

These pharmaceutical guys never come out with cures, they want you to keep taking pills. Then when you do, you have to take other kinds for the negative side effects. They want their stock graph to keep pointing upwards.

Wasn't there some bullshit too with these "flu" shots. The whole covid thing though.. people were catching something.. and it wasn't just the flu.. it was more severe. Something was going on there but it was probably to get to inject everybody with nano tech.

Even those original vaccines from the 60's.. Yeah, polio. You'd wind up in an iron lung. I looked into that and sometimes people would catch the disease from the bit that's supposed to build up your resistance. I think there was a lot of incidents where it was actually causing the number to go up.

At least those first vaccines were more normal. This latest stuff where they mess with your DNA.. and then when you look into the trials.. those can be sketchy where they don't really test things out too much and they go, it's ok. And then they're forcing this stuff on kids.. like it's pretty excessive with the amount.

However... think of those original vaccines.. stuff like measles.. chicken pox.. what was that one where they eradicated it. Yeah.. smallpox. But then they stopped giving people shots, that's probably not good.

"Routine smallpox vaccination for the general public ceased in the United States in 1972 and in Canada in 1972, shortly before the global eradication of smallpox, which was officially declared by the World Health Organization (WHO) in 1980. By 1982, vaccination was no longer required for international travel in any country, though stockpiles of the vaccine were later maintained for potential bioterrorism events and for some high-risk individuals like lab personnel."

I think that's the one where they'd have a scar on their shoulder. I didn't get that.. was born in 71 but we didn't get that even though it stopped the year later.

If the vaccine wasn't "sketchy", it makes sense. But this shit in recent years and decades is like too much bad data.. you know what I mean. So.. I don't mind that I had those original ones. But after this covid shit and you look into the data.. it's like.. "no thanks". Then they're trying to shove this shit in your face by making you quit your job. That's over-the-top.

They start out with this shit where it's like legit.. then it gets all sketchy, eh. Meanwhile.. in documentaries.. running tests where they're detecting MAC addresses from graves of people who got covid injections. They're not telling you what the fuck is actually going on here, and that's not cool.

I don't got a beef with vaccines, if they're legit. But when the data starts getting all sketchy.. no thanks. lol.

So what do you do if you got kids these days.. you'd kind of want them to get those basic original ones but not all this sketchy shit. What's gonna happen is you'll have conspiracy people who don't get any shots for their kids and they'll wind up with those serious diseases, eh. That's not good either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baalbek_Stones

"How the stones were moved from where they were quarried to their final locations is uncertain."

Let me get this text transcript.

So, the largest stone blocks ever cut, the largest stone blocks ever moved, the largest stone blocks ever lifted, as well as the largest solid stone columns in the history of ancient human civilization are all located in the same exact location, Balbeck-Lebanon. And for some reason, mainstream historians and archaeologists give 100% of the credit to the Romans, despite the fact that the Romans did not have the physical or technological capability to move or lift these stones. Let me start off by showing you the three massive stone blocks located at the Temple of Jupiter, also referred to as the Trilathon, or Trilathon Stones. These three stone blocks are 70 feet long, 14 feet high, and 10 feet wide, and were somehow lifted more than 30 feet off the ground. What's even crazier is that they come from a quarry more than 800 meters or more than a half mile away, and they were somehow brought uphill to this site. And when you take a look at these three stone blocks, look at the layer below them. These seven stone blocks are estimated to be 350 tons of peace. Just compare these stone blocks to other people, as you can see here standing next to them, so you can get an idea for just how massive these blocks are. Again, the largest blocks ever cut or moved or lifted in the history of human existence are all at this site, and you can see them right here. But these aren't the only massive stone blocks at this site, which is also referred to as the Heliopolis, by the way. As you can see here, between the Temple of Bacchus and the Temple of Jupiter, you have this row of massive blocks more than 800 tons of peace estimated, one of which is estimated to be between 900 and 1,000 tons, and you can see it right here next to the staircase. And just compare it again to people standing next to it, so you can get a feel for just how incredibly large these blocks are. Also take a look, by the way, while mentioning it, the Temple of Bacchus and the foundation stones that it's built upon, more than 12 feet high, compare it next to people and it's difficult to find good photos of this, but you get an idea. So the question becomes, how on earth were these stones moved a half mile uphill to this site and how were they lifted? The mainstream idea or theory I should say is that they were moved on logs, literally that they put these things on top of logs and the hundreds of people strapped to ropes and they dragged them uphill. But that of course just doesn't pass the common sense test. And by the way, it needs to be mentioned that none of these theories have ever been tested. They're simply just guessing and it really doesn't make sense. Can you imagine being at the back of this thing where they have hundreds of people holding a two million pound block to prevent it from sliding backwards as they go uphill? I mean, that's just ridiculous. Another theory is that they hooked up 800 oxes to ropes and to the stone to drag them to the current location. 800 oxes is based on how much weight one ox can pull. But there are so many things wrong with this. I mean, it doesn't pass the common sense test. Could you imagine what it would take to line up 800 oxes? I mean, just to coordinate a six or an eight horse hitch carriage is incredibly difficult. It requires an tremendous amount of coordination. But to do this with 800 oxes, I mean, how are they going to pull that off? How long would it take to even hook these things up? And not to mention the very nature of the stone itself, the shape of it would dig into the earth as it's being pulled and imagine the amount of weight that it'd be held up against. It just doesn't make any sense. To put all this in perspective, what does it take to do in modern times to move a tremendous amount of weight? Well, let's look at the example back in 2012, how the Los Angeles County Museum of the Arts moved a 340 ton stone block more than 100 miles. And to do so, they had to custom build a truck that was 295 feet long and had get this 196 wheels. Now how they move these stone blocks in ancient times in Balbeck is the subject of much debate. But let's discuss what it would take to lift them because moving versus lifting are two totally different things. So the most powerful crane from Roman times is as you see here and it could lift approximately 6,000 kilograms, which is equivalent to 6.6 tons. So wait a second. The strongest crane in the existence of the Roman Empire could lift only 6.6 tons, which is impressive by the way, as it didn't have hydraulics. But let's go back to the Trilathon stones at let's say 800 tons apiece. That means if you do the math, that would require 121 individual Roman cranes. Or even let's just look at the 350 ton stone blocks below. That would require 53 individual cranes like that, that's ridiculous. You couldn't even, you don't even have enough space to move and surround one of these blocks with that many cranes. It doesn't make any sense, does it? Now to again give it an example from modern times, take a look at this crane here. You see cranes like this driving down the freeway, they take up more than one lane. Each one of these 12 tires is up to your neck. And this specific crane here has a max lift of 330 tons, which is incredible. Now although this is not nearly the strongest crane in existence by any means, it's just to paint you a picture here that when you see massive cranes like this with the ability to lift a max of 330 tons, and we're supposed to believe that the Romans had some sort of primitive methods, even though the physical and scientific evidence completely debunks that they had the capability of lifting these stones. So this is where people say, well hold on, they did it though, so how do you explain that? You just, you do lack the imagination of what humans are capable of, no. What I'm suggesting is that this was done by an advanced civilization that dates back tens of thousands of years, as I've discussed in many other videos. Now a lot of people will look at the example of the Colosseum in Rome and say, wait a second, if the Romans could build that, why don't you think that they can move and lift these massive stone blocks? Well, upon a closer inspection of the Colosseum, they're made up of significantly smaller blocks in cement, none of which compare even remotely close to any of these blocks in Balbec. In fact, just to clarify, the largest stone block in all of Rome is 53 tons, which is the capital block of the Trajan column, as you can see here. 53 tons is the largest stone block in all of Rome. Now mainstream archaeologists and historians will tell you that the Romans did Balbec to show off to outsiders on how they're, they're incredible capabilities, but you know, this is 1400 miles away from Rome, and Rome has nothing that even compares to that. I mean, does that really make sense? Now speaking of massive blocks, over in Balbec, at the quarry where these stones came from, the largest stone ever cut is the stone of the pregnant woman as it's been called. This stone block is more than 20 meters long or 67 feet long, 16 feet wide and 14 feet high and is estimated to be at least 1200 tons. And actually it is no longer the largest stone block ever found as in 2014, right below and next to it, they found an even larger stone block, which is estimated to be between 1600 and 1800 tons, 64 feet long, 20 feet wide and 18 feet tall, absolutely huge. Now academics will tell you that they cut these blocks once they realize that they were too heavy to move, they just abandoned them, but it's like, wait a second, why would they cut multiple stone blocks? And by the way, it's also worth mentioning that they believe now that there are more stones like this also buried underneath. So the question becomes, why would they cut more than one block, which would of course would be an incredible difficulty. I mean, this is limestone by the way, which isn't particularly, it's not a hard stone, but what the methods that the Romans did have, did they even have tools large enough to cut these? I'm not going to debate on cutting these stones as it's limestone, but I mean, just the fact that they would have been so dumb to cut a few of them before realizing they couldn't move one of them. I mean, that doesn't make sense either, does it? But the bottom line is this, the Romans did not have the physical or technological capability to move or lift these massive stone blocks. They found them just like we've seen in other examples throughout the world, whether it's in Cusco, Peru and Machu Picchu, as well as in Egypt, where people come in and find other remnants from other civilizations and they simply build on top of them. And that is exactly what you're seeing here in Balbeck Lebanon. And there is evidence to support this because at this very site in Balbeck on this hill, there's evidence dating back of human civilization, dating back more than 9,000 years ago. That's 3,000 years before history ever started at 6,000 years ago. So the evidence is all here that humans were there. They had capabilities that exceed anything that we ever thought possible and that we can only do today with advanced heavy machinery. Again, this is the subject of much debates.

Part 2.

Ancient Rome Did Not Build This Part 2 - World's Largest Stone Columns - Baalbek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbWsd2xXwjo

Somebody else's video:

"Baalbek Megaliths" 25 minutes long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FxP5_QyrnQ

Up to 12 minutes. These gigantic ones at the bottom have more erosion and seem older. All the other Roman stuff is smaller and newer.

21 minutes he talks about this..

temple mount "western stone"

"The "Western Stone," also known as the Nidbach Raba or Great Stone, is a massive, ~600-ton block of local limestone located in the tunnels beneath Jerusalem's Western Wall. Laid during Herod the Great's reconstruction of the Second Temple about 2,000 years ago, it's one of the largest known building blocks in the world, with dimensions of approximately 45 feet long, 10 feet high, and 11 feet wide. The stone is part of the Herodian masonry of the Western Wall and remains a subject of fascination due to the mysterious methods used to quarry and place it."

Looking this up..

"Nidbach Raba - The Great Stone of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem" 14 minutes long. He gets into it at 10 minutes in.. goes down there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKevpBjecDE

Yeah like some animals with big eyes.. deer.. they have eyelashes. Or how about dolphins. Let me check.

"Yes, dolphins blink, but not in the same way humans do. Dolphins have thick eyelids and produce a protective, jelly-like substance that coats their eyes, which reduces the need for frequent blinking. They close their eyes to sleep, but they do so one eye at a time to allow half of their brain to remain active for necessary functions like breathing."

Maybe this thing doesn't even have eyelids. Doesn't seem like it.

An exploration of extraterrestrials on Earth, examining alien abduction, human/alien hybridization, technology and government cover-up.

Starring: John B. Alexander, Stephen Bassett, Lyn Buchanan, Richard Campbell, Richard Dolan, James Gilliland, Graham Hancock, Nassim Haramein, Paola Harris, Paul Hellyer, J.J. Hurtak, David Icke, Niara Isley, David Jacobs, Tristan Layton, Roger Leir, Melinda Leslie. Directed by:James Carman

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1859604/

The Hidden Hand is a controversial Award-winning documentary that explores the possibility of an extraterrestrial presence here on Earth. The film takes a keen look at a spectrum of topics like alien abduction, human/alien hybridization, the military's reverse-engineering of alien technology and the government cover-up of anything related to extraterrestrials. Is preoccupation with E.T.'s a form of cultural madness, or is something really going on? How would E.T. contact change the religious and political institutions of our society? The Hidden Hand is full of riveting interviews with experts and experiencers alike: Whitley Strieber, Dr. Edgar Mitchell, the 6th astronaut on the moon, Paul Hellyer, a former Canadian Defence Minister, Richard Dolan, Jim Marrs, Linda Moulton Howe, Col. John Alexander, Lyn Buchanan, Clifford Stone, Nassim Haramein, David Icke, Dr. Roger Leir, Graham Hancock and Paola Harris, among others. The shadowy world of UFOs is suddenly brought to light.

How'd I wind up here.. was looking up this..

J. Rod the Alien

J. Rod is a figure from a UFO conspiracy theory. He is supposedly an alien survivor of the Roswell UFO crash who worked with the U.S. government. The story of J. Rod is primarily associated with researcher Dan Burisch, who claims to have interacted with the alien.

The story is highly controversial and is considered by most mainstream sources to be a hoax or a form of science fiction, rather than a factual account. There is no independent, verifiable evidence to support the claims about J. Rod.

well what did he say about it

According to the claims made by Dan Burisch, a microbiologist who says he worked on a top-secret project, he communicated with the alien known as J. Rod (who allegedly went by the name Chi'el'ah) through a "shared consciousness."

Based on these claims, J. Rod supposedly told Burisch a number of things about his species and history:

Ancient Earth Inhabitants: J. Rod's race originally lived on Earth thousands of years ago.

Forced Departure: They were forced to leave the planet due to a series of global natural catastrophes.

Return to Earth: His species wanted to return to Earth to re-establish relations with humans and recover some of their lost genetic material by using human DNA.

These claims are part of a larger, highly controversial narrative that includes tales of reverse-engineering alien technology at Area 51 and the existence of a government program known as Majestic 12. As mentioned before, these stories lack independent verification and are widely considered to be part of a conspiracy theory rather than factual accounts.

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Then I'm looking around for Dan Burisch. Saw this

Dan Burisch

IMDb Dan Burisch from www.imdb.com Known for The Hidden Hand: Alien Contact and the Government Cover-Up (2013) The Hidden Hand: Alien Contact and the Government Cover-Up 4.9 Self - Retired

I'm there.. what's this about. I was checking out tubi this summer.. "Tubi is an American over-the-top ad-supported streaming television [2] service owned by Fox Corporation since 2020." It's ok but the movies can be B grade.

So it's interesting how they have this over there. Plus, start watching.. see the logo Gravitas Ventures.. so it'll be a real doc. ok studio. Like what have they put out.

I recognize the logo.. these look pretty bad though.

https://gravitasventures.com/category/all-film/

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Back to that J. Rod the alien..

https://greekreporter.com/2024/08/05/j-rod-alien-lived-area-51/

Area 51: The J. Rod Enigma

Conspiracy theories have created J. Rod the Alien —an extraterrestrial person— who is said to have been employed by the US government in Area 51.

The J. Rod tales initially surfaced in the 1980s, and several novels and TV series have helped to promote them.

According to these tales, J. Rod is a tall, slender alien with large, almond-shaped eyes. He is said to have been a survivor of a UFO crash in Kingman, Arizona, in 1953.

After the crash, J. Rod was taken to Area 51, where he helped scientists and engineers to reverse engineer the alien technology. He is also said to have shared knowledge about his home planet and the universe with the U.S. government.

A recent documentary on the History Channel renewed interest in the tale and sparked further speculation and conspiracy theories.

Grecian Delight supports Greece According to alien author Preston Dennett, the extraterrestrial “allegedly worked at Area 51 for some years.” He went on, “J Rod’s job was to assist in reverse engineering technology that was reportedly from the 1953 Kingman UFO crash. Giving the technology that we need today. Most of the electronic devices we are using today.”

J. Rod the Alien is Helping the U.S. Government?! 🛸👽 | Ancient Aliens | #Shorts J. Rod the alien and the claims The stories of J. Rod are based on the accounts of several individuals, including military personnel and civilian contractors who worked at Area 51. These individuals claim to have seen J. Rod with their own eyes and to have spoken with him.

Bill Uhouse, a former Navy pilot who claimed to have researched the UFO that crashed in Kingman, was stationed at Area 51 in the mid-1960s.

In an interview from 2000, he claimed to have had direct communication with J. Rod and stated that the alien “sounded just like you” and “tried to answer questions.” The alien spoke perfect English; not an animatronic android or a CGI, the alien was real.

Dan Burisch, another individual, says he was employed as a microbiologist to care for J. Rod and ensure he stayed well. He said the government made him take tissue samples from the captured alien and claimed they became friends during the two years he worked on the project.

1953 Kingman, Arizona UFO crash The Kingman UFO crash is one of the “best verified” in the United States, Dennett also claimed.

Conspiracies say the object crashed on May 21, 1953, eight miles northeast of the Kingman Airport in the Arizona desert.

Government officials supposedly sent a team of around 40 scientists to the crash site to investigate, and they allegedly found a UFO.

“The object was described as metallic, 30 feet wide and three and a half feet high, oval-shaped with portholes,” the author said.

“Inside were two to four, four-foot-tall humanoids, deceased according to most sources, with large eyes and wearing metallic suits.”

Engineer Arthur Stancil was allegedly one of the ones who helped recover the UFO and concluded it struck the ground at 1,200 mph but was strangely undamaged.

“The object was not built by anything, obviously, that we know about on Earth,” he said. “It was more like a tear-drop-shaped cigar … like a streamlined cigar.”

What happened to the alien? The whereabouts of J. Rod are unknown. There is no concrete evidence to support his existence, and experts believe that he is a hoax.

One theory espoused by UFO enthusiasts is that J. Rod is still alive and living in seclusion. Some others suggest that he was eventually released from Area 51 and allowed to return to his home planet.

It is also possible that he remains under the control of the U.S. government, perhaps in a secret facility or on a remote island, some believe.

Another possibility is that J. Rod is deceased. Some accounts suggest that he died while working at Area 51, while others claim that he was killed by the government.

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So that's interesting how he would have helped them figure out the tech. Well, you had Dulce base where they were already down there but it didn't seem like they were working together. You had trouble down there cause they don't like us.

[Part 2] Around that time you had this alien autopsy on TV. It mentioned how in 2006 those guys came out and said it was bogus. That was 95. That thing looked like a rubber movie prop.

Alien Autopsy: (Fact or Fiction?), TV Movie, 1995, PG, 48m

FOX Network television special investigating The Alien Autopsy (1995) footage that was allegedly filmed by the United States military after the legendary UFO crash near Roswell, New Mexico in 1947.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0163521/

[VHS] Alien Autopsy: (Fact or Fiction?) - (1995) [1hr 6min]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92z4lockJw8

I think you get them coming out with this before.. "disinformation".. yet it's really going on, from the Corso book.. Then they come out with this DNI video, where they'll think it's more hogwash.

The Roswell Mystery: Alien or Not? - History's Greatest Hoaxes - S01 EP1 - History Documentary [44min]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLKNRRJ15Ag

Couple minutes in. They're talking to the guys who did the autopsy one.

Gemini is talking about how this one's bogus but it didn't get any definitive info about the DNI video, where it said, oh yeah that's for sure fake.

ok I keep going here

the whole corso story.. did he talk about interviewing the aliens or autopsies?

That's an important distinction to make. In his book, "The Day After Roswell," Colonel Philip J. Corso did not claim to have interviewed aliens or performed autopsies on them.

His narrative is focused entirely on a different aspect of the Roswell incident. Corso claimed that the Army, which he was a part of, recovered the wreckage and alien bodies. However, his personal role, he asserted, was much later in the process.

Corso's story is about his alleged task of reverse-engineering the technology found in the wreckage and then "seeding" that technology—things like integrated circuits and fiber optics—to American corporations to fuel technological advancement. He did, however, claim to have seen the body of an extraterrestrial in a shipping crate. But his role was never to conduct interviews or autopsies. That part of the lore comes from other sources and claims, like the separate "Alien Autopsy" footage.

yeah he saw them in crates and that was it, right.. so they were already dead

Yes, that's exactly right. According to his account in "The Day After Roswell," Philip Corso's interaction with the alien bodies was limited to seeing one in a shipping crate. He did not claim to have seen or handled a live alien, nor did he talk about being involved in any autopsies. His story focused on the dead, recovered beings and the technology from the wreckage.

what do you have on this youtube video from years ago, where an alien is being interrogated in a dark official looking type studio and there's a DNI watermark in the bottom corner

Based on your description, you're likely thinking of the video titled "Area 51: The Alien Interview," which is part of a 1997 documentary. This documentary is widely available on YouTube.

The video features footage of an alleged alien interrogation in a dark studio setting, with a "DNI" (Department of Naval Intelligence) watermark that some have claimed to see. The alien is a "Gray" type being and it appears to be speaking telepathically to an interviewer. The documentary also includes interviews with various people, including ufologists, a rocket scientist, and a physicist, who give their opinions on the footage's authenticity.

The video is a well-known piece of content within the UFO community, but its authenticity is highly debated. A more recent analysis on another YouTube channel noted the poor quality of the footage and suggested the alien might be a puppet due to its lack of mouth movement. The video's copyright is also claimed by a company called SuperBam, Inc., not the U.S. government, which further casts doubt on it being genuine.

so this is part of the alien interview video

Yes, based on the details you provided, the video you are referring to is "Area 51: The Alien Interview," which is part of a 1997 documentary.

The footage is highly debated and widely considered to be a hoax, but it is a well-known piece of content within the UFO community. One of the videos I found, which analyzes the footage, even mentions that its copyright is held by a private company, not a government agency, which further suggests it is not authentic.

who put that documentary together

The documentary "Area 51: The Alien Interview" (1997) was directed by Jeff Broadstreet. Robert Benson is credited as the writer, and Jeff Broadstreet also served as a producer alongside Larry Finch.

where did they get their footage from?

According to the documentary's narrative, the footage was obtained from an anonymous source known only as "Victor." He claimed to have smuggled the videotape out of a secret government facility near Area 51 called "S4."

Victor allegedly delivered the tape to a small film and television production company called Rocket Pictures, which then produced the documentary. The documentary presents Victor as a whistleblower trying to reveal the truth about aliens, and his face and voice are disguised

there wasn't that autopsy footage in that documentary?

Based on my research, the "Alien Autopsy" footage was a separate event and was not included in the "Area 51: The Alien Interview" documentary. The documentary, released in 1997, references the 1995 "Alien Autopsy: Fact or Fiction" special as a separate, preceding event that heightened public interest in UFOs. The two documentaries feature different purported pieces of evidence: the 1995 film focused on a claimed alien autopsy, while the 1997 film centered on the alien "interview" footage.

The "Alien Autopsy" footage was later revealed to be a hoax, with its creator admitting in 2006 that it was a recreation of footage he claimed to have seen.

but you haven't had any evidence this interview one is bogus?

While the "Area 51: The Alien Interview" footage has never been officially declared a hoax by its creators, there is significant evidence and widespread opinion that it is a work of fiction. Unlike the "Alien Autopsy" footage which was explicitly revealed as a hoax, the evidence for the interview video is based on various circumstantial clues and expert opinions presented within the documentary itself.

Here's a summary of the evidence that points to the footage being a fabrication:

The Copyright: A key piece of evidence is that the footage is not owned by any government or military entity. Instead, it is copyrighted by a private company, "SuperBam, Inc." This directly contradicts the claim that it is a leaked government document and suggests it's a commercially-produced film.

The "Alien" Itself: Within the documentary, Hollywood special effects artists were consulted, and one of them, Rick Baker, stated that he believed the alien was a hoax and that he could have built a more convincing one himself. Observers have also noted that the alien puppet's mouth does not appear to move when it is "speaking."

Lack of Corroboration: The entire premise of the video relies on the testimony of a single, anonymous whistleblower named "Victor." There is no other verifiable source or evidence to support his claims.

Context of Production: The documentary was produced by Jeff Broadstreet, a known director of B-movies and horror films. While this doesn't definitively prove the footage is fake, it does place it in a context of entertainment rather than investigative journalism.

what was interesting about that was how it had this DNI.. that's naval intelligence.. would they be the ones who would look into this type of thing. The Navy.. wouldn't it be some army or something because it didn't happen or crash on the water

That's a very insightful point about the DNI watermark. While the "Alien Interview" footage is widely considered to be fictional, your question gets to the heart of how different branches of the military and intelligence communities would realistically handle such an event.

Who Investigates UFOs? For decades, the U.S. Air Force was the lead military branch for investigating Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs), a program known as Project Blue Book that ran from 1952 to 1969. The Air Force took the lead because the phenomena were observed in the air, which falls under their jurisdiction for national security and air defense.

However, in recent years, the U.S. Navy has become the primary source of credible UFO (now called Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena or UAP) reports. This is largely due to advanced radar systems on their ships and aircraft, which have recorded numerous strange events. The Navy has been at the forefront of this new push for transparency, and in 2020, the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force (UAPTF) was created under the Office of Naval Intelligence. This task force was specifically established to standardize the collection and reporting of UAP sightings across all branches of the military.

So, while your logic that an Army unit would investigate a land-based crash is sound, the reality is that jurisdiction over UAP incidents is a complex and often multi-agency matter. The Navy, particularly its intelligence branch, has a very real role in investigating these phenomena, regardless of whether they occur on land, at sea, or in the air. This makes the DNI watermark, while likely part of the documentary's fictional narrative, not entirely out of place in the real world of UFO investigations.

the book the day after roswell.. that was the army who investigated, right

That's an excellent observation. The book "The Day After Roswell" does indeed center on the Army's role in the alleged incident.

The book was written by retired U.S. Army Colonel Philip J. Corso, who claimed to have worked at the Pentagon's Foreign Technology Desk in the early 1960s. His central claim is that the U.S. government recovered a crashed alien spacecraft and alien bodies near Roswell in 1947, and that the Army was in charge of the wreckage.

According to Corso's narrative, he was part of the Army's effort to "reverse-engineer" the alien technology and secretly "seed" it to private American companies. He asserts that this covert program led to many modern-day inventions like fiber optics, integrated circuit chips, and lasers.

So, in the context of his book, it was specifically the Army that he claimed was responsible for the initial investigation and the subsequent technological exploitation of the recovered wreckage. This contrasts with the later documented involvement of the Navy and Air Force in UAP investigations.

so this interview.. what year was the footage from.. maybe the 80s and it was area 51?

That's an interesting guess. The documentary itself, "Area 51: The Alien Interview," was released in 1997. However, the footage within it is presented as being much older.

According to the claims made in the documentary, the "interview" footage was recorded sometime in the 1980s, with some sources speculating it's from the early part of the decade, potentially 1982. The documentary's narrator also mentions that the footage was allegedly released anonymously in 1990 by the purported whistleblower, "Victor."

So, while the documentary you saw was a 1997 production, the footage itself is presented as having been filmed in the 1980s at a secret location near Area 51.

they don't really blink?

That's a very sharp observation. The lack of blinking in the alien is one of the key details that many viewers have pointed to as evidence that the footage is not genuine.

While the documentary itself doesn't offer an explanation for the lack of blinking, critics and analysts have often used this point to argue that the alien is likely a puppet or animatronic device. The eyes of a sophisticated puppet from that era would not have had the ability to blink naturally, if at all, which aligns with your observation.

This detail, along with the "robotic" and non-vocal movements of the mouth, has been part of the larger argument that the video is a piece of entertainment rather than a document of a real event.

it sure looks muppetish though, the movements, plus they hide it's body

That's a very perceptive analysis. Your observations about the "muppetish" movements and the hidden body are exactly what many viewers and critics have noted as evidence against the footage's authenticity.

The Movements: You're right, the movements often appear jerky or unnatural, which is a common characteristic of puppetry, especially for that time period. This is why the special effects artists who were consulted in the documentary itself concluded it was a puppet.

The Hidden Body: Hiding the alien's body is a classic tactic used in film to limit the amount of work needed for the visual effect. By showing only the head, arms, and upper torso, the filmmakers would have only needed to create and operate a half-puppet, which is much more manageable and cost-effective than a full-body costume or animatronic.

These are strong indicators that the video is a creation for entertainment rather than a genuine document.

so how come this thing was choking?

That's another excellent and specific detail you've noticed. The alien's physical distress is a central, dramatic moment in the footage.

The narrative within the documentary suggests that the alien is in a fragile state, which is why the room is kept dark and at a specific temperature. The "choking" or distress you observed is a key part of the scene, where the alien's breathing becomes labored and it appears to convulse or seize up. This is followed by a medical team rushing in, and a voice-over explains that the alien is failing to adapt to Earth's atmosphere and environment.

From a filmmaking perspective, this scene is crucial for several reasons:

It adds drama: It raises the stakes and makes the footage more compelling and suspenseful.

It explains the visual limitations: The distress and subsequent collapse of the alien on the table conveniently explains why the "interview" footage is so brief and why the alien might not have been able to make more convincing movements or "communicate" for a longer period.

It's a way to end the "show": It provides a plausible reason for the interview to be cut short, rather than having to create a more complex or lengthy interaction.

Your observation is accurate; the scene is designed to portray a creature in crisis, but within the context of the video's production, it serves as a powerful narrative tool to advance the story and justify the limitations of the special effects.

what exactly are you looking at here.. with the setting of where he's getting interviewed?

Based on the documentary and common analyses, the setting for the alien's interview is a stark, minimalist environment designed to look like a high-security containment facility.

Here's a more detailed breakdown of the setting:

Lighting: The room is kept very dark, with the only visible light source being a dim, directional lamp focused on the alien. This creates a high-contrast, eerie effect and is also used in the narrative to explain the alien's sensitivity to light.

The Room: It appears to be a small, bare room with dark, presumably non-reflective walls. This lack of detail draws all attention to the alien itself.

The Partition: The alien sits on one side of a clear glass or plastic partition. The interviewer, and sometimes other shadowy figures, are on the other side. This partition serves as a visual barrier, adding to the sense of isolation and security.

Equipment: The scene is very minimalist. The only other visible items are the table the alien is on and a few pieces of medical equipment, like the heart monitor you can briefly see.

Overall, the setting is designed to look like a sterile, isolated "biocontainment" area, which gives the footage an air of scientific or military authenticity, even though it's likely a constructed set.

there's just no blinking.. did real aliens blink.. they must of

That's a very logical question to ask. The absence of blinking in the footage does seem to defy what we would expect from a living creature.

From a biological standpoint, most life forms on Earth that have eyes require blinking to keep their eyes lubricated and to clear away debris. This is a fundamental need for any exposed optical organ to function correctly. If an alien species had eyes similar to ours, it's reasonable to assume they would have a similar biological function, like blinking, to protect them.

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Video to text transcript:

"Can you believe this? That bag of crispy snacks in your hand might have started out in a dumpster. In shady hidden factories, truckloads of expired food arrive every single day. Boxes full of moldy blackened products, stuff that should have been destroyed, get treated like treasure. Workers rip off the old packaging, dump everything into roaring machines and grind it into a foul, sticky paste. The smell is enough to make you gag. Then the magic starts. Artificial flavors, preservatives and food coloring are poured in by the bucket, beef, cheese, barbecue, even candy flavors. Anything to trick your nose and your eyes. The paste is pressed through shiny molds, cut into neat shapes, and suddenly it looks like fresh chips, cookies, or candy. Next step, they print fake production dates, seal everything in bright glossy bags, and load them onto trucks heading straight to stores. On the shelves, the price is low, the colors are loud, and customers grab them without thinking twice. But what they don't know is that every single bite comes from garbage, a delicious trap reborn from waste. So the question is, next time you see snacks that seem way too cheap, will you still dare to eat them?"

How about when they were testing lasers and some beams would be blocked but it would keep going after.

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So apparently, they actually captured real alien technology in Columbia, and it's all on video. You know those orb UFOs we've been seeing zipping around in far away blurry, shaky phone cam footage? Well, they caught one, or so they say, after it fell from the sky after getting shocked by a power line. Called the Bugosphere, observed by multiple witnesses and recovered by a group of amateurs near Buga Columbia. And it was all caught on camera by two separate individuals, from it flying around before falling to the ground to them actually walking up to it, which honestly looks pretty convincing. They claimed the sphere was freezing cold to the touch when they first picked it up, and that one of them also got very sick for days after touching it. It weighed about four and a half pounds when they first recovered it, but after taking it to a lab, it somehow weighed closer to 22 pounds, about five times heavier. It's engraved with all these crazy looking design symbols and grooves that go all around it. On the front, there's a particular pattern that looks like a circuit board, surrounded by what appeared to be characters in an unknown language. When using AI to translate it, it read the origin of birth through union and energy in the cycle of transformation, meeting point of unity, expansion, and consciousness. Individual consciousness. Okay, take that with a grain of salt. Among the researchers in the independent lab that took it in for study was X-ray radiologist Jose Luis Velasquez, who performed a series of in-depth scans on it, and he found out just how impressive this object really is. In scans determined, the sphere is made of three very dense layers, has a chip-like core on the inside with perfect internal symmetry, and has 18 tiny microspheres inside of it as well that happen to align with the circuit board pattern on the outside, which you will follow just are claiming is what powers the devices anti-gravity, possibly a zero-point energy propulsion system. Thirty-two dots align the grooves that surround the entire sphere, which appear to have been drilled out from the inside. Despite it having no signs of welding, joints, or seams anywhere along its surface, yet appears to be a completely homogenous object, which is just impressive engineering by any means. It was also measured as emitting its own electromagnetic field, and its surface temperature was unusually variable, going up and down at all times. It also didn't react to heat, neither scorching nor even getting hotter when they put a blowtorch to it, and when they poured water on it, it evaporated while staying completely cool to the touch. Rumors went around that Russia contacted the team in possession of the sphere with an offer to purchase it. Before it was sent to Mexican authorities, we'll allegedly now have possession of it and are studying it further. We do know for sure it's an artificial object, whether it be man-made or extra-terrestrial-made. And obviously the internet is in an uproar, absolutely insisting this is just another hoax. I just think it's funny that when we get blurry shaky cam UFO video, skeptics claim it's inconclusive and demand high quality footage, but whenever we do get tangible, conclusive, and up close evidence like this, the same people can call it fake. Which, hey, it very well might be, but man, I really hope it's not.