[part 5]

oh yeah you got some serious stuff though with like "calamity" and celestial things even.. like what the hell was going on there.. where you'd even see things with the stars, eh.. and that's not going on.. it's really calm these days. So.. what would have to go on there for those "signs". I'm not seeing any of that.

You're right, the Bible describes some incredibly dramatic signs that are meant to signal the end, and many of them are celestial. The feeling that things are "really calm these days" is a common one, as we're not seeing the sun going dark or stars falling from the sky.

Here's what those signs are and how they're often interpreted.

Celestial Signs and Calamities The most serious signs you're referring to come from passages in the New Testament, particularly in the Gospels and the Book of Revelation. They describe events that would cause cosmic-level disruption:

Matthew 24:29 says that immediately after a period of great distress, "the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken."

The Book of Revelation also talks about similar events, such as the moon turning to blood, and stars or a great mountain falling to Earth.

These are not just metaphors; in many interpretations, they are literal, physical events that would be seen by everyone on Earth and would be a clear, unmistakable sign that the end is at hand.

Why People Believe They're Happening Now Even though we're not seeing those exact celestial events, those who believe the end is near would say we're still seeing the "calamity" part. They interpret a lot of what's happening today as fulfilling those prophecies, but in a less direct way.

Global Conflicts and Social Turmoil: Many see the constant wars, political instability, and social unrest around the world as the "wars and rumors of wars" Jesus spoke of.

Natural Disasters and Plagues: The increase in extreme weather events, earthquakes, and global pandemics (like COVID-19) are often viewed as the famines and plagues mentioned in the Bible.

A "Precursor" Stage: The most common belief is that the most dramatic and unmistakable signs, like the stars falling, are reserved for the very last moments before the end. We're in a preliminary stage right now, where the signs are clear to those who are looking for them, but not so obvious that they would force a person to believe.

Essentially, they would argue that the "calm" you see is a matter of perspective, and that the world is in a state of growing chaos that will eventually lead to those larger, unmistakable celestial events.

yeah the "stars fall from the sky".. whatcha got on that. Cause that's pretty fucking major. lol

The prophecy of "stars falling from the sky" is considered a pretty major sign, and you're right, it's one of the most dramatic and terrifying images in the end-times prophecies. The Bible mentions this in a few key places, and there are two main ways it's interpreted.

Literal Interpretation One view is that this will be a literal, physical event. It's believed that a massive meteor shower, an asteroid impact, or some other cosmic catastrophe will happen. This would be a world-ending event that would fulfill the prophecies of widespread destruction and calamity, leaving no doubt that the end has come.

Symbolic Interpretation A more common interpretation among scholars is that the "stars falling" are a metaphorical event representing a massive collapse of human power and authority. In biblical and ancient literature, stars were often symbols for:

Political or Religious Leaders: A star's fall could symbolize the violent overthrow or downfall of a king, a kingdom, or a prominent religious figure. The "heavenly bodies being shaken" would represent a complete breakdown of all human systems of power and order.

Spiritual Beings: In some cases, "stars" are used to refer to angels. The "fall of the stars" could be a poetic way of describing a great spiritual battle or the final judgment and defeat of all rebellious spiritual forces.

Regardless of the interpretation, both views agree that this is not a minor event. It signifies a cataclysmic and final moment where the current world order, whether physical or spiritual, is completely destroyed.

like what do you even got on this.. how would that even happen. Picture it in a "science" way.. like, come on.. lol.. if the damn sun would blow up, we'd all die.. so.. how could this stars falling from the sky.. things going black.. the moon getting messed with. You'd have stuff crashing.

That's a great question, and you're right to be skeptical. From a scientific perspective, a literal interpretation of those events happening in sequence is a complete non-starter. If the sun went dark, we'd all freeze and die almost immediately. But let's picture it in a different way, as a single, cataclysmic event as seen from the ground.

A Scientific Interpretation A lot of scientists who study major extinction events believe a single celestial collision could cause all of those things to happen at once. The biblical descriptions could be a visual account of an asteroid or comet impact.

Stars Falling from the Sky This would be the most visible part of the event. A massive celestial object entering our atmosphere wouldn't look like one rock. It could shatter and create a colossal meteor shower, with countless glowing pieces of debris streaking across the sky. From the ground, it would absolutely look like "stars" were falling. This wouldn't be like a regular meteor shower; it would be a "firestorm" of immense proportions.

The Sun Turning Dark The impact itself would launch an unimaginable amount of dust, rock, and debris into the atmosphere. This would form a global dust cloud that would completely block out the sun. Scientists call this an impact winter. Sunlight wouldn't be able to reach the surface, causing temperatures to plummet and turning the day sky completely black. The phrase "the sun will be darkened" would be a perfect description of this.

The Moon Getting Messed With The moon turning a deep red or "blood" color and not giving its light is a perfect description of what happens during an impact winter. The thick dust and ash in the atmosphere would make the moon invisible, and any light that did get through would be scattered in such a way as to make the moon appear a deep, fiery red, much like we see with sunsets today when there's a lot of pollution in the air.

So, when you put it all together, the biblical descriptions could be a layperson's eyewitness account of a single, world-altering asteroid impact. It's a scientifically plausible scenario for the end of the world.

What would be going on there, "technically".. you know what I mean? This was in that "revelations" at the end of the Bible.. I checked it out the other month, that section. What exactly did they say was gonna go on with the planets and stuff

Based on what's written in the Book of Revelation, here's a "technical" breakdown of the specific cosmic events described, as if you were reading them from a script. The text doesn't use scientific terms, but it's very specific about what happens and when.

These events are often triggered by divine actions, such as an angel sounding a trumpet or a scroll being opened. They're part of a series of judgments.

Key Celestial Events in Revelation: The Sun, Moon, and Stars: In chapter 6, the text describes the opening of the sixth seal. At this point, the sun becomes "black like sackcloth made of goat hair," and the moon turns "red as blood." The "stars in the sky fell to the earth, like figs dropping from a fig tree." The sky itself "receded like a scroll, rolling up." This is not a partial event; it's a complete change of the visual state of the heavens.

The "Great Mountain" and the Seas: During the trumpet judgments in chapter 8, an angel sounds a trumpet, and "something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea." A third of the sea turned to blood, a third of the sea creatures died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

The "Star" Named Wormwood: Immediately after the mountain event, another trumpet sounds. This time, "a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky." This "star" is named Wormwood, and its falling poisons a third of the rivers and springs, making the water bitter and killing many people.

Darkness from the Abyss: During a later judgment, a star falls from the sky to the earth and is given a key to the "Abyss." When the Abyss is opened, smoke comes out, darkening "the sun and the air."

In short, the Book of Revelation describes a series of cataclysmic events that are direct, supernatural actions. It's not a scientific chain reaction but a sequence of judgments where a planet-sized object is thrown into the sea, a poisoned "star" falls to the land, and the sun and moon are directly affected. The "technicals" are that these are all direct acts of divine judgment.

allright let's go over each of those ones and try to picture a scientific explanation for what the hell would be going on and what might cause this. Didn't they have a planet x that was hiding behind the sun you couldn't see. Or how about the one that was around.. Nibiru, eh.. where who were those guys and they left on it. Try to figure something out here for what they saw in those "visions" years ago but had a hard time describing what they were seeing.

That's a very creative way of looking at it, and it's a great exercise in trying to bridge the gap between ancient, poetic visions and modern scientific phenomena. You're right, the people in Revelation were likely trying to describe things that were far beyond their understanding, but we can look for parallels in what we know about the universe today.

Let's try to picture a scientific explanation for each of those events.

1. The Sun Turns Black & the Moon Turns Red The Vision: The sun becomes black, the moon turns red, and the stars fall.

Scientific Interpretation: This could be a single, massive asteroid or comet impact event. The user you talked to before was on the right track here.

An impact of sufficient size would send an unimaginable amount of ash, dust, and debris into the atmosphere.

This would completely block out the sun, making it appear "black." We've seen this on a minor scale with volcanic eruptions, but this would be a global, catastrophic event.

The same dust cloud would filter light in such a way that it would make the moon appear a deep red color, similar to how a thick smog or wildfire smoke makes the moon look red.

2. A "Great Mountain" Thrown into the Sea The Vision: A huge, burning "mountain" is thrown into the sea, turning a third of it to blood.

Scientific Interpretation: This is a very direct description of a major asteroid impact in the ocean. A large object hitting the ocean would be devastating.

The "blazing" part is a reference to the entry of the object into the atmosphere.

The impact would create a massive tsunami and a gigantic plume of steam and superheated water. It would also throw millions of tons of sediment and iron-rich material into the atmosphere and ocean, which could give the water a reddish, bloody appearance.

This is a plausible scenario for the end of the world, and some people theorize that this "mountain" could be a rogue planet or a hypothetical celestial body. This is where the ideas you mentioned, like Planet X or Nibiru, sometimes come into play. It’s important to note, though, that the scientific community does not support the existence of these planets; they are part of a theory to try to explain some historical events.

3. The "Star" Named Wormwood The Vision: A star falls, poisons a third of the Earth's rivers and springs.

Scientific Interpretation: This could be a different type of celestial object: a comet.

Unlike asteroids, which are primarily rock and metal, comets are made of ice, dust, and frozen gases. They can also contain a variety of toxic compounds.

If a comet were to impact a continent, it could release these chemicals into the atmosphere and the water table. The "Wormwood" (a bitter herb) name would be a fitting description for a substance that poisons the water, making it "bitter" or undrinkable.

In summary, the visions in Revelation could be an observer's best attempt to describe a series of related, world-altering celestial events—specifically, a multi-faceted series of comet and asteroid impacts, with each impact causing a different type of devastation. They didn't have the scientific language to describe a global dust cloud or a comet's composition, but they could describe the horrifying effects they saw.

So all that super shit hitting the fan has to be going on before it's the end times "rapture" and these 144,000 get called up?

It depends on the specific theological view. The timing of the "rapture" in relation to the end-times calamities (the "super shit hitting the fan") is a major debate among Christians.

Here’s a breakdown of the main theories.

Pre-Tribulation Rapture This is a very popular view in some denominations. It holds that the rapture happens before the main period of end-times calamity, often called the Great Tribulation. In this scenario, believers would be removed from Earth and would not experience the "shit hitting the fan." The 144,000 in this view (often interpreted as a specific group of Jewish evangelists) would be sealed and do their work during the Tribulation, after the rapture has occurred. So, in this view, the 144,000 are on Earth during the calamities.

Mid- and Post-Tribulation Rapture These views hold that the rapture happens either in the middle or at the end of the Tribulation. Believers would have to endure the calamities and persecution along with everyone else. The sealing of the 144,000 in Revelation happens after the first few judgments are opened. This timing suggests that they are on Earth and protected by a divine seal during these turbulent times.

The 144,000 are on Earth for the Calamities Regardless of the rapture theory, the biblical account in Revelation places the sealing of the 144,000 explicitly during the time of tribulation. In Revelation 7, this group is sealed by an angel after the first six seals of judgment are opened. So, in that narrative, yes, they are on Earth and are part of the unfolding drama of the "super shit hitting the fan."

[continued in part 6]